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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 20, 2017 22:41:19 GMT -6
When you have a team 3rd and 20 and you cannot tackle. That is the issue. Coaches can only call the plays they cannot play the game. It is easy to sit back and put it on the coaches, but I do not see it that way. It’s a coaches job to teach a player how to tackle and to keep him in shape to make that tackle in the fourth quarter.
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Post by indy on Oct 20, 2017 23:03:27 GMT -6
When you have a team 3rd and 20 and you cannot tackle. That is the issue. Coaches can only call the plays they cannot play the game. It is easy to sit back and put it on the coaches, but I do not see it that way. It’s a coaches job to teach a player how to tackle and to keep him in shape to make that tackle in the fourth quarter. I'm thinking, Just maybe, the better team wins sometimes? Maybe? Sometimes good coaches get out coached? Maybe? It was a great game, tip your hat, and quit whining. Geez.
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Post by dag on Oct 20, 2017 23:03:39 GMT -6
Maybe Welsh was just better than Kinder
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 20, 2017 23:13:03 GMT -6
It’s a coaches job to teach a player how to tackle and to keep him in shape to make that tackle in the fourth quarter. I'm thinking, Just maybe, the better team wins sometimes? Maybe? Sometimes good coaches get out coached? Maybe? It was a great game, tip your hat, and quit whining. Geez. Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it.
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Post by indy on Oct 20, 2017 23:47:59 GMT -6
I'm thinking, Just maybe, the better team wins sometimes? Maybe? Sometimes good coaches get out coached? Maybe? It was a great game, tip your hat, and quit whining. Geez. Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it. So y'all coaches were good from 2013-2016 but now they're not? They coach less now?
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 20, 2017 23:54:43 GMT -6
Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it. So y'all coaches were good from 2013-2016 but not they're not? They coach less now? Is that what I said? No. Our coaches are still good, but when you constantly lose games in the second half, you can’t blame it all on the players. Of all the state championship game ND has lost over the years, have you ever heard Coach Cook blame it on the players? The Buck stops with the coaches, especially when you have commanding leads at the half.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 0:01:33 GMT -6
I’m not saying our coaches are doing a bad job, we’ve lost to the #1 public and private school in our class by a combined 2 points. What I am saying, and I don’t think this is out of line, is we need to do a better job of coaching with a lead. That’s all.
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Post by indy on Oct 21, 2017 6:08:03 GMT -6
I'm thinking, Just maybe, the better team wins sometimes? Maybe? Sometimes good coaches get out coached? Maybe? It was a great game, tip your hat, and quit whining. Geez. Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it. Did it ever cross your pea size arrogant mind that Iowa, Welsh, and ND were 2-3 TD's better than Kinder and your coaches put a great plan together and coached their es off and dang near beat better teams? What kind of special mirror do you look in? Before the season started you and most everyone else figured Kinder would be 4-4 right now, guess what y'all are 4-4. Better than average coaching gave y'all a shot to be better than that. Shame on you.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 6:52:51 GMT -6
Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it. Did it ever cross your pea size arrogant mind that Iowa, Welsh, and ND were 2-3 TD's better than Kinder and your coaches put a great plan together and coached their es off and dang near beat better teams? What kind of special mirror do you look in? Before the season started you and most everyone else figured Kinder would be 4-4 right now, guess what y'all are 4-4. Better than average coaching gave y'all a shot to be better than that. Shame on you. What is your problem? I’m not throwing our coaches under the bus, but it’s funny how all of a sudden you’re such a staunch defender of Kinder’s coaching staff? Our coaches aren’t perfect and are going to have to address the issue of blowing significant half time leads. I can tell you’re desperate to pick a fight, but do yourself a favor and pick one you can win.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 6:57:29 GMT -6
Maybe Welsh was just better than Kinder They are better than Kinder. The question was asked why has Kinder blown three significant half time leads this year and I gave my opinion. I’m not trying to take anything away from Welsh.
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Post by dag on Oct 21, 2017 8:17:33 GMT -6
Whining? The question was asked, why Kinder has lost so many games after leading at the half. I gave an honest answer as to why I think that’s the case. Welsh is obviously a better team, but the coaches are as much a team as the players. Congrats to Welsh, they deserve it. Did it ever cross your pea size arrogant mind that Iowa, Welsh, and ND were 2-3 TD's better than Kinder and your coaches put a great plan together and coached their es off and dang near beat better teams? What kind of special mirror do you look in? Before the season started you and most everyone else figured Kinder would be 4-4 right now, guess what y'all are 4-4. Better than average coaching gave y'all a shot to be better than that. Shame on you. This is very true. I think the Kinder staff did a great job accounting for Hayes and Zeno, as well as giving Welsh different looks on offense and attacking their vulnerabilities. Kinder also shouldn't have been in the game with Iowa or ND. Kinder staff is doing a fine job against a tough schedule. They will make a deep playoff run
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 21, 2017 9:22:50 GMT -6
I admittedly thought the kinders games against Iowa, ND, and Welsh would all be 2+ td losses. I think the coaches are doing a jam up job. I'm not calling kinder weak I think they are dang good, but you see the same thing in college every weekend the underdog will jump on the favorite and falter in the 2nd half. I don't think it's anything the coaches are doing wrong.
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Post by btown on Oct 21, 2017 9:34:49 GMT -6
Ok so you can tackle the first half, so as coaches they have to teach tackling at half time as a refresher course. As said sometimes the better team wins. Only issue I see is special teams and not talking about kicker. Kick off and punt coverage we are not as good as we could be. As normal we have great coaching staff when winning and when we do not win it is on the coaches. At some point it has to fall on in kids, coaches do not play the game.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 9:39:48 GMT -6
Ok so you can tackle the first half, so as coaches they have to teach tackling at half time as a refresher course. As said sometimes the better team wins. Only issue I see is special teams and not talking about kicker. Kick off and punt coverage we are not as good as we could be. As normal we have great coaching staff when winning and when we do not win it is on the coaches. At some point it has to fall on in kids, coaches do not play the game. I’m not blaming the loss on the coaches. The FACT is that we have blown three significant half time leads this year. I’m sure they are trying to get to the bottom of that as we speak. We have great coaches and I would t trade them for anyone, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed before the playoffs. You are saying that it has to fall on the kids? It’s 2A football, everything is about coaching, including tackling and conditioning. They could be better in this area, I’m sorry if you think they are perfect.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 9:42:58 GMT -6
I admittedly thought the kinders games against Iowa, ND, and Welsh would all be 2+ td losses. I think the coaches are doing a jam up job. I'm not calling kinder weak I think they are dang good, but you see the same thing in college every weekend the underdog will jump on the favorite and falter in the 2nd half. I don't think it's anything the coaches are doing wrong. I get it. I just think we can do a better job of coaching and playing with the lead. That’s all I’m saying. We have great coaches, but this is an area they can and will have to get better come playoff time.
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Post by btown on Oct 21, 2017 9:55:43 GMT -6
I type a response, but I deleted it not going to debate. I will leave it with what one of my coaches told me one day.
What is a offensive play designed to do? I look it at him with a strange look. He said think about it, when all 11 players do their job what will happen? I said they gain yards. He said plays are not designed to just gain yards. I said what are you getting at. He said plays are designed to score touchdowns. If all 11 players do their job they will score a touchdow. I will leave it at that.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 10:02:12 GMT -6
I type a response, but I deleted it not going to debate. I will leave it with what one of my coaches told me one day. What is a offensive play designed to do? I look it at him with a strange look. He said think about it, when all 11 players do their job what will happen? I said they gain yards. He said plays are not designed to just gain yards. I said what are you getting at. He said plays are designed to score touchdowns. If all 11 players do their job they will score a touchdow. I will leave it at that. Very deep. Your coach obviously had a rather simplistic view of a very complex sport. But what happens when the other team does their job just a little better? Teams are only as good as their coaches.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 10:09:33 GMT -6
I type a response, but I deleted it not going to debate. I will leave it with what one of my coaches told me one day. What is a offensive play designed to do? I look it at him with a strange look. He said think about it, when all 11 players do their job what will happen? I said they gain yards. He said plays are not designed to just gain yards. I said what are you getting at. He said plays are designed to score touchdowns. If all 11 players do their job they will score a touchdow. I will leave it at that. Was that supposed to be advice or what? Surely with that type of wisdom, the coach won several state championships and moved on to the NFL? Plays are designed to score touchdowns? Who would’ve thought? Such a novel concept.
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Post by evergreen on Oct 21, 2017 11:15:55 GMT -6
Look I remember when Coach Wall left Welsh and how important he was to use. People in Kinder you have a great staff and in this age of big money in coaching I don't think a 2-A school in Allen parish will keep these guys for much longer so enjoy them while you can! Same for all winning public schools. LaGrange right here in Lake Charles could be calling soon or Sam Houston or some Shreveport school that has more money. Even worse a private school with way more money lol
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 11:34:02 GMT -6
Look I remember when Coach Wall left Welsh and how important he was to use. People in Kinder you have a great staff and in this age of big money in coaching I don't think a 2-A school in Allen parish will keep these guys for much longer so enjoy them while you can! Same for all winning public schools. LaGrange right here in Lake Charles could be calling soon or Sam Houston or some Shreveport school that has more money. Even worse a private school with way more money lol I guess it all depends on what his long term goals are and where he wants to be. There isn’t a big pay bump to schools like Sam Houston or LaGrange and neither schools have been easy to win at. I don’t know if he would consider leaving Kinder, but it would have to be a top tier job and there aren’t a whole bunch of those out there.
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Post by rvanicor on Oct 21, 2017 11:53:28 GMT -6
Not that much pay jump a little yes. Also you would be going to a very tough 5a district year end year out. Lagrange plays up and has been down Sam Houston is more of traditional baseball school so a major turn around would have to happen with program , football athletes attending. I don't see that move happening. Every coach wants to win I believe it's possible there but not a quick 2-4 year fix. Private some private pay more but I don't believe the retirement comes close I could be wrong. To be honest the talk of coaching in this topic is over the top. Those were excellent coached teams last night sometimes the ball just rolls the other way. That game was a penalty, play, turnover, few seconds away from going either way so let it be what it is a great football game by two great well coached programs with tough and talented football players.
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Post by jonevils on Oct 21, 2017 11:56:09 GMT -6
Look I remember when Coach Wall left Welsh and how important he was to use. People in Kinder you have a great staff and in this age of big money in coaching I don't think a 2-A school in Allen parish will keep these guys for much longer so enjoy them while you can! Same for all winning public schools. LaGrange right here in Lake Charles could be calling soon or Sam Houston or some Shreveport school that has more money. Even worse a private school with way more money lol You raise a good point but most of the assistants have been here for years I don't see any of them leaving unless they go into administration. We have had a few come and go even over the last 4 seasons but the core stays the same
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Post by rvanicor on Oct 21, 2017 12:00:59 GMT -6
And trust me the coaches from both teams have showed kids how to tackle. I believe these two teams have been in the elite 2a for last 4 -5 years so tackling is not the problem. Sometimes you are just ran over, sometimes you are tackled hard, sometimes you shoestring tackle, sometimes you miss a tackle. The speed of the game and being in or out of position causes this which are contributed by being blocked , slipping, fatigue , blown assignment , over pursing , out of position , come on man give credit to where credit is due. One team won and the other loss not because of coaching , not because turnovers last night , one team just made one more play them the other did that's all. Execution Execution Execution of offense, defense, special teams, coaching when they all execute you find WIN
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Post by ljswank on Oct 21, 2017 12:03:48 GMT -6
Not that much pay jump a little yes. Also you would be going to a very tough 5a district year end year out. Lagrange plays up and has been down Sam Houston is more of traditional baseball school so a major turn around would have to happen with program , football athletes attending. I don't see that move happening. Every coach wants to win I believe it's possible there but not a quick 2-4 year fix. Private some private pay more but I don't believe the retirement comes close I could be wrong. To be honest the talk of coaching in this topic is over the top. Those were excellent coached teams last night sometimes the ball just rolls the other way. That game was a penalty, play, turnover, few seconds away from going either way so let it be what it is a great football game by two great well coached programs with tough and talented football players. Well said my friend. Congratulations on the Hounds victory and good luck in the playoffs.
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 12:10:35 GMT -6
And trust me the coaches from both teams have showed kids how to tackle. I believe these two teams have been in the elite 2a for last 4 -5 years so tackling is not the problem. Sometimes you are just ran over, sometimes you are tackled hard, sometimes you shoestring tackle, sometimes you miss a tackle. The speed of the game and being in or out of position causes this which are contributed by being blocked , slipping, fatigue , blown assignment , over pursing , out of position , come on man give credit to where credit is due. One team won and the other loss not because of coaching , not because turnovers last night , one team just made one more play them the other did that's all. Execution Execution Execution of offense, defense, special teams, coaching when they all execute you find WIN I never heard anyone on here say that Kinder lost because of coaching. I said we have to do a better job of coaching with a lead, which is painfully obvious to anyone who has been onboard this season. If you spoke to any of Kinder’s coaches today, I’m certain they would say the same thing. If people take that as somehow bashing the coaches or blaming them for a loss, they are simply not understanding my point.
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Post by evergreen on Oct 21, 2017 15:06:29 GMT -6
When you have a team 3rd and 20 and you cannot tackle. That is the issue. Coaches can only call the plays they cannot play the game. It is easy to sit back and put it on the coaches, but I do not see it that way. It’s a coaches job to teach a player how to tackle and to keep him in shape to make that tackle in the fourth quarter. wasn't this you?
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 15:19:58 GMT -6
It’s a coaches job to teach a player how to tackle and to keep him in shape to make that tackle in the fourth quarter. wasn't this you? Yes it was me. This is me pointing out an issue that we need to improve on, not blaming the coaches for a loss.
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Post by indy on Oct 21, 2017 15:24:38 GMT -6
Yes it was me. This is me pointing out an issue that we need to improve on, not blaming the coaches for a loss. You are a hypocrite
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Post by kinder1981 on Oct 21, 2017 15:28:32 GMT -6
Yes it was me. This is me pointing out an issue that we need to improve on, not blaming the coaches for a loss. You are a hypocrite Do you even know what that word means? If so, please elaborate on how pointing out an obvious issue, that you yourself have pointed out so adamantly over the last two weeks, makes ME a hypocrite. I never said our coaches are perfect, they have some things to work on. I’m sure they would tell you the exact same thing.
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Post by btown on Oct 21, 2017 16:22:05 GMT -6
Any quality coach will always take responsibility for the lose and your coaches WILL be no difference. Our coaches have done A great job the last four years and know they are not giving the same effort and they have to do a better job. WOW
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