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Post by creasy77 on Oct 22, 2017 19:26:02 GMT -6
Can somebody please answer JKLee's question. What team in Division 4 would beat these 2 or one of these two? I feel Cedar Creek would give Kentwood all they wanted, maybe win, maybe not. It would be comparable to when Creek plays Oak Grove, whatever that score is, I would say a similar outcome would come about with Kentwood. Lab, no. Not even talking about that. MaxPreps sees Oak Grove as slightly better than Kentwood, but that will be answered in the non select playoffs
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:30:36 GMT -6
Their win over OCS is so far the most impressive win in D 4. No one else can claim a win like that. They also have arguably the toughest schedule in D4. Solid predistrict and a very tough district slate. Their win over a 5-3 OCS doesn't look as good as it would have say if they were 7-1, 6-2.... Not saying its not impressive but let's not crown them just yet. Also, Arguably the toughest schedule? ?? thats not true at all. Out of the 26 teams in Division 4... Cedar Creek is tied for the 24th worst strength of schedule. No one has a worse strength of schedule than Cedar Creek who is tied with Catholic of Pointe Coupee, than st Mary's. The worst 3 strength of schedules out of all 26 division 4 teams Cedar Creek Catholic Pointe Coupee St Mary FACTS only
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:34:57 GMT -6
Because they beat a 3-A Loyola team that is not a cellar dweller, played decent teams in St fred, Delhi, Arcadia, and they destroyed OCS, still have Delta Charter and Oak Grove on their schedule. And they are only unbeaten team. The CC vs Oak Grove game should be a great one. Oak Grove is probably close to Kentwood. We'll see how close in the later part of the playoffs. Pump the Brakes Hoss. Decent Teams St Fred's - 3-5 Delhi - 2-6 Arcadia - 3-5 Your decent teams have a combined (8-16) Record? Who's that fooling.... Loyola 4-4
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:37:30 GMT -6
I didn’t hear anyone crown ACHS or give them respect besides jklee and Creasy to be fair Not entirely true. I've said all year that ACHS has the best backfield and best defense in division IV. Have also said that they are clearly one of the top teams. Only reason I give Creek the nod over ACHS is that Loyola, Arcadia and OCS are all solid wins with the win over OCS being particularly impressive. I can't fault ACHS too much on the schedule. KIPP Renaissance is a solid team. Only thing really hurting ACHS compared to Creek is that White Castle and Covenant, which both should have been solid wins, have both been dismantled in multiple games this year. That's not the Bulldogs fault. Outside of Creek no one is D IV has a more impressive resume than Ascension Catholic. I'd put the Bulldogs schedule on par with everyone else in D IV outside Creek. Can yall stop saying Arcadia is a good win- (3-5) Hush
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:38:49 GMT -6
Cath pc- seems to be having real good year but yet I don’t hear the criticism over there weak schedule. There is a reason I'm not counting CHSPC as a top dog (no pun intended) but count ACHS as one of the top teams. I've seen film on both teams and ACHS is by far more impressive. Only reason I think ACHS is getting more scrutiny is because they are a top team. Once you are at the top the spotlight shines a little brighter. I see it a more of a compliment than anything. People have taken notice of the Dogs and I think they are legitimately interested in knowing just how good they are. AC would beat Pointe Coupee by 30 Points +
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 19:49:43 GMT -6
There is a reason I'm not counting CHSPC as a top dog (no pun intended) but count ACHS as one of the top teams. I've seen film on both teams and ACHS is by far more impressive. Only reason I think ACHS is getting more scrutiny is because they are a top team. Once you are at the top the spotlight shines a little brighter. I see it a more of a compliment than anything. People have taken notice of the Dogs and I think they are legitimately interested in knowing just how good they are. AC would beat Pointe Coupee by 30 Points + Based on what?
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 19:52:04 GMT -6
I think AC is a good team. They definitely have a shot to win it. However I don't see why we should all jump and say they are untouchable when they have basically played the same type schedule as LCA, CHPC, St mary, etc. Those same people who were saying those teams were overrated due to scheduling want us to get AC their respect. Like I said I personally think they are good but I'm not ready to say they are better than CHPC, Opelousas Catholic, LCA, St Mary, or VC yet. The only team that has earned the right to brag about being the best so far in my opinion is Cedar Creek. Your logic is no good here. Out of the teams you listed. Here are there strength of schedules: Opelousas Catholic - 4.857 Ascension Catholic - 4.500 LCA - 4.250 Cedar Creek - 3.875 Catholic Pointe Coupee - 3.875 St Mary - 3.625 Bring facts to your argument next time when talking strength of schedule. I look at the actual teams they played and who beat the teams they played. Not a formula that gives them extra credit for beating a weak 3a school.
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:52:17 GMT -6
AC would beat Pointe Coupee by 30 Points + Based on what? The last 4 Years when they played head to head and the fact that Pointe Coupee got blown off the field in all of them. So based on FACTS. Pointe Coupee not good at all.
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Post by footballfanlsu on Oct 22, 2017 19:52:24 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:53:03 GMT -6
Your logic is no good here. Out of the teams you listed. Here are there strength of schedules: Opelousas Catholic - 4.857 Ascension Catholic - 4.500 LCA - 4.250 Cedar Creek - 3.875 Catholic Pointe Coupee - 3.875 St Mary - 3.625 Bring facts to your argument next time when talking strength of schedule. I look at the actual teams they played and who beat the teams they played. Not a formula that gives them extra credit for beating a weak 3a school. Facts are Facts
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 19:54:40 GMT -6
The last 4 Years when they played head to head and the fact that Pointe Coupee got blown off the field in all of them. So based on FACTS. Pointe Coupee not good at all. Lol ok gotcha I didn't realize we were using past years to take into account.
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Post by goldburg on Oct 22, 2017 19:55:11 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily I didn’t hear him say that there schedule is so tough I understood him to say that there schedule doesn’t deserve criticism anymore than the others
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 19:58:44 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily Whose schedule did I say was tough? If you are saying I said Ascension Cathoilic's schedule is tough then look at my posts and you will see I never said that. I just said to stop giving everyone else so much credit for having schedules comparable to AC. Because Opelousas Catholic is the only one out of the teams mentioned on this thread that have better schedule strength. Southern Lab Kentwood is a tougher 2 district games than Ouachita Christian Oak Grove Thats just facts.
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 19:59:08 GMT -6
I look at the actual teams they played and who beat the teams they played. Not a formula that gives them extra credit for beating a weak 3a school. Facts are Facts You put any decent team in d4 playing that schedule they would all have the same record. A 3-5 Arcadia or 2-6 Delhi would have a winning record with that schedule.
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:00:05 GMT -6
The last 4 Years when they played head to head and the fact that Pointe Coupee got blown off the field in all of them. So based on FACTS. Pointe Coupee not good at all. Lol ok gotcha I didn't realize we were using past years to take into account. What else ya base it off of bud? You gotta take into account what each team lost in senior class and what each team brings back.
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:00:49 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily I didn’t hear him say that there schedule is so tough I understood him to say that there schedule doesn’t deserve criticism anymore than the others Thanks. Someone with a brain.
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Post by goldburg on Oct 22, 2017 20:01:14 GMT -6
Your logic is no good here. Out of the teams you listed. Here are there strength of schedules: Opelousas Catholic - 4.857 Ascension Catholic - 4.500 LCA - 4.250 Cedar Creek - 3.875 Catholic Pointe Coupee - 3.875 St Mary - 3.625 Bring facts to your argument next time when talking strength of schedule. I look at the actual teams they played and who beat the teams they played. Not a formula that gives them extra credit for beating a weak 3a school. But wait man He’s not talking about the power rankings If he were ur statement would be correct about 3a teams adding to the power ranking He’s talking specifically about strength factor which is what everyone is pounding ACHS for The strength factors is listed clearly on the power rating site on this site
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 20:01:44 GMT -6
Lol ok gotcha I didn't realize we were using past years to take into account. What else ya base it off of bud? You gotta take into account what each team lost in senior class and what each team brings back. Teams change year to year. Kinder beat Welsh 4 years in a row. Welsh won the last two.
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Post by footballfanlsu on Oct 22, 2017 20:02:54 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily Whose schedule did I say was tough? If you are saying I said Ascension Cathoilic's schedule is tough then look at my posts and you will see I never said that. I just said to stop giving everyone else so much credit for having schedules comparable to AC. Because Opelousas Catholic is the only one out of the teams mentioned on this thread that have better schedule strength. Southern Lab Kentwood is a tougher 2 district games than Ouachita Christian Oak Grove Thats just facts. yes but if they both beat you easily then does not matter doesn't seperate you from the rest of DIv. IV which is what this thread was saying that its cc achs and everyone else
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:04:12 GMT -6
You put any decent team in d4 playing that schedule they would all have the same record. A 3-5 Arcadia or 2-6 Delhi would have a winning record with that schedule. You don't think they are 3-5 and 2-6 for a reason??? Maybe because they aren't good and people are hoping that others wont notice so they can claim those two as good wins?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 20:04:48 GMT -6
You saying their schedule is so tough because of 2 games and yes those two are brutal lab and kentwood but their non district schedule is a joke and unless u beat one of those 2 all it is a tough game that u got beat and lab beat you handily I didn’t hear him say that there schedule is so tough I understood him to say that there schedule doesn’t deserve criticism anymore than the others 🤣🤣😷
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 20:05:27 GMT -6
Can somebody please answer JKLee's question. What team in Division 4 would beat these 2 or one of these two? I feel Cedar Creek would give Kentwood all they wanted, maybe win, maybe not. It would be comparable to when Creek plays Oak Grove, whatever that score is, I would say a similar outcome would come about with Kentwood. Lab, no. Not even talking about that. No disrespect Creasy. Because Cedar Creek will play ACHS in the state championship this season. But I think Kentwood beats Cedar Creek in a good game. Depends on where the game is played. I hate the split!!!! We don’t need that in 1A. Our private and public schools don’t have a wide talent gap. With no split in 2014 OCS wins 1A. In 2015 Kentwood and Lab play another classic in the dome. 2016 Lab wins 1A. This season, it gets very interesting. At least 8 teams are good enough to win State in 1A!!!! The split is terrible.
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:05:37 GMT -6
What else ya base it off of bud? You gotta take into account what each team lost in senior class and what each team brings back. Teams change year to year. Kinder beat Welsh 4 years in a row. Welsh won the last two. I hope we get an Ascension Catholic vs Catholic Pointe Coupee Playoff matchup at some point. So I can say I told you so. Like I said by 30 +
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Post by goldburg on Oct 22, 2017 20:07:16 GMT -6
Whose schedule did I say was tough? If you are saying I said Ascension Cathoilic's schedule is tough then look at my posts and you will see I never said that. I just said to stop giving everyone else so much credit for having schedules comparable to AC. Because Opelousas Catholic is the only one out of the teams mentioned on this thread that have better schedule strength. Southern Lab Kentwood is a tougher 2 district games than Ouachita Christian Oak Grove Thats just facts. yes but if they both beat you easily then does not matter doesn't seperate you from the rest of DIv. IV which is what this thread was saying that its cc achs and everyone else But what ur not getting is IF NOONE ELSE CAN BEAT THEM IN DIVISION4 then what are u talking about I think everyone has pretty much agreed at this point no one will beat Lab I say add kentwood to that They won 1a last year, they can likely win it this year again Can oak grove beat them we will see I say kentwood better it will play out
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:07:30 GMT -6
Whose schedule did I say was tough? If you are saying I said Ascension Cathoilic's schedule is tough then look at my posts and you will see I never said that. I just said to stop giving everyone else so much credit for having schedules comparable to AC. Because Opelousas Catholic is the only one out of the teams mentioned on this thread that have better schedule strength. Southern Lab Kentwood is a tougher 2 district games than Ouachita Christian Oak Grove Thats just facts. yes but if they both beat you easily then does not matter doesn't seperate you from the rest of DIv. IV which is what this thread was saying that its cc achs and everyone else Name a D4 team that plays Lab better than 30-8 ..... I'll wait. And when did Kentwood beat ACHS easily??? it was 12-0 last Year. This year you can come watch Friday at Kentwood if you'd like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 20:07:37 GMT -6
Teams change year to year. Kinder beat Welsh 4 years in a row. Welsh won the last two. I hope we get an Ascension Catholic vs Catholic Pointe Coupee Playoff matchup at some point. So I can say I told you so. Like I said by 30 + ACHS will destroy CHPC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 20:10:25 GMT -6
Teams change year to year. Kinder beat Welsh 4 years in a row. Welsh won the last two. I hope we get an Ascension Catholic vs Catholic Pointe Coupee Playoff matchup at some point. So I can say I told you so. Like I said by 30 + You mean you think that AC will blow another top ten opponent out but late in season! I like it, we weren’t supposed to blow out Cov Christian either. Go dogs! Don’t worry bout the critics....
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Post by goldburg on Oct 22, 2017 20:11:02 GMT -6
I feel Cedar Creek would give Kentwood all they wanted, maybe win, maybe not. It would be comparable to when Creek plays Oak Grove, whatever that score is, I would say a similar outcome would come about with Kentwood. Lab, no. Not even talking about that. No disrespect Creasy. Because Cedar Creek will play ACHS in the state championship this season. But I think Kentwood beats Cedar Creek in a good game. Depends on where the game is played. I hate the split!!!! We don’t need that in 1A. Our private and public schools don’t have a wide talent gap. With no split in 2014 OCS wins 1A. In 2015 Kentwood and Lab play another classic in the dome. 2016 Lab wins 1A. This season, it gets very interesting. At least 8 teams are good enough to win State in 1A!!!! The split is terrible. U are correct jklee once again The split is the reason we have this arguement to begin with If not u play it out on field instead of argueing on a board lol
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Post by billbelichick12345 on Oct 22, 2017 20:14:57 GMT -6
I hope we get an Ascension Catholic vs Catholic Pointe Coupee Playoff matchup at some point. So I can say I told you so. Like I said by 30 + ACHS will destroy CHPC. Thank You. These people here boy I swear.
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Post by LATigerFan on Oct 22, 2017 20:18:25 GMT -6
Thank You. These people here boy I swear. Agreed I mean look at the way they handled KIPP they torched them by a td. KIPP even took out the powerhouse Cohen by a td.
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