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Post by LATigerFan on Nov 11, 2015 9:22:07 GMT -6
How do these little small country town teams stay so good year after year I always wonder that. I mean these guys never have a bad year.
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Post by TC_Cant_Hang on Nov 11, 2015 9:25:05 GMT -6
Coaching.
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Post by lurker on Nov 11, 2015 9:31:16 GMT -6
How do these little small country town teams stay so good year after year I always wonder that. I mean these guys never have a bad year. Gotta be recruiting... LHSAA should split them from the others... All bs aside go read the thread about "is this system any better than before". On page 2 I actually went overkill talking about this same thing and why it is.
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Post by creasy77 on Nov 11, 2015 9:31:24 GMT -6
Because it matters. It matters to the kids, it matters to the local paper, it matters to the parents, it matters to the guy who owns the convenience store. Winning is expected, and you are expected to be a part of it. They work on the little things and they talk about tradition. All this is because of great coaching. Losing is not OK to them. They are gracious losers, and good sports, but it is not OK. They train to win. They talk about winning. They think about winning. They love winning.
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Post by LATigerFan on Nov 11, 2015 9:39:22 GMT -6
How do these little small country town teams stay so good year after year I always wonder that. I mean these guys never have a bad year. Gotta be recruiting... LHSAA should split them from the others... All bs aside go read the thread about "is this system any better than before". On page 2 I actually went overkill talking about this same thing and why it is. I just read it nice post man
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Post by LATigerFan on Nov 11, 2015 9:41:39 GMT -6
I respect Evangel,ND,JC and all those guys. Just being from a small community I just always took more of an interest in those little guys who constantly get it done.
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Post by oldschool on Nov 11, 2015 9:44:26 GMT -6
I wouldn't say it was just coaching. I do think consistency among the coaching staff is very important. Football matters to these communities. Football has to be important to the administration of the school. IN most small towns the kids grow up together and play each sport together with the expectation to be a winner when they reach the high school level. In most small towns the kids play for each other.
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Post by Hvillefan on Nov 11, 2015 9:47:47 GMT -6
Ever been to Haynesville? Not much there and only thing to do as a kid is play football. Not sure about the other schools, but I'm sure it's the same for them. Majority of our kids go from K-12 together. They've been playing Pee wee football together since they were 7 years old. The kids hear about the great Haynesville teams that came before them and they want to leave their mark. I think it's a mixture of things that makes a winning program. It all starts with coaching. We have a solid tradition here that was all started with great coaching. Mix that with kids that buy into the coaches system and that have been playing together since elementary school and you have something special. Also, our kids dedicate themselves to getting better in the offseason. They put in a lot of hard work in the weight room and it pays off.
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Post by kamala on Nov 11, 2015 10:04:37 GMT -6
As far as Oak Grove.... It's expected. You know that from an early age in that town. And not just football and not just boys.
Since 1981:
7 trips to the Dome with 4 State Titles 5 trips to the state championship game in baseball with 3 State Titles. 2 trips to the state championship basketball final with 1 State Title. 3 trips to the state championship game in Girls Basketball 1 State Title in Boys Track 1 StateTitle in Softball
Winning is expected..... Not just in Oak Grove, but in West Carroll Parish. Forest, Kilbourne and Epps are all competitive .
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Post by 64 on Nov 11, 2015 10:19:10 GMT -6
How do these little small country town teams stay so good year after year I always wonder that. I mean these guys never have a bad year. I can't speak for everyone, but at Oak Grove it is about family. I played. My dad played. My uncle played. My Grandfather and his brothers played. We not only played we excelled. We weren't told by our parents that it was OK to quit. We were coached. Coached hard! And we weren't allowed to question a coach's decisions. We were ALL IN. At OG the staff is mainly people who went to OG. They didn't run off for better pay, better facilities, or a better classroom schedule. They coach at OG cause they are "OG." Coach Dalrymple was the glue for over 30 years. He played there, his sons played there, his dad coached there. The current coach, Coach Gregory, played for him and after a first round loss last year, he will try to get OG back deep into the playoffs against the "Haynesvilles" and "Kentwoods." I think small-town football is as American as it gets. Friday nights in many of these towns is what makes them different than the rest of America. It brings people together, gives people a common bond. When their teams do well the old people gather at barber shops, and coffee shops to talk about the good old days when "they didn't get water at practice" and "it snowed every practice" and "they had to walk 6 miles to and from practice" and....well, you get the point. OCS, JOHN CURTIS, EVANGEL...will always win titles under the system we are in and will always be "great teams," but those kids will NEVER KNOW what's it like to be guy from a small town, that goes home for the holidays and gets to take his kids to the summer league baseball park and the local drug store or restaurant and show them their dad's name and pictures from a time long ago like I do. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong...
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Post by LATigerFan on Nov 11, 2015 10:24:31 GMT -6
Great post 64 i completely agree with everything u said there
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Post by wildcat on Nov 11, 2015 10:27:37 GMT -6
I once heard the Many coach say they have 95-98% attendance during summer workouts, 4 days a week. That's unheard of for high school kids to show up everyday during the summer for workouts. Im sure it is like that at any school that has a winning tradition, there is a commitment from everyone involved; players, coaches, administration, parents--EVERYONE. Look at the schools that go .500 and under I bet they don't have 50% attendance during the summer if any at all.
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Post by Deuce on Nov 11, 2015 10:51:44 GMT -6
I once heard the Many coach say they have 95-98% attendance during summer workouts, 4 days a week. That's unheard of for high school kids to show up everyday during the summer for workouts. Im sure it is like that at any school that has a winning tradition, there is a commitment from everyone involved; players, coaches, administration, parents--EVERYONE. Look at the schools that go .500 and under I bet they don't have 50% attendance during the summer if any at all. I think that's the difference. The schools that 64 mentioned have been able to maintain 97% or better attendance for summer workouts and any successful school will have the same or better. You can't make a good gumbo without good ingredients and effort, same goes with a program.
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Post by lurker on Nov 11, 2015 11:47:25 GMT -6
All things the last few posts have stated are mostly correct. Also, part of the coaching goes down to pee wee football. Most of these programs run the same version of offense in peewee as they do in high school because it is a community effort.
The one disagreement I have is about tradition not being a staple at the JC, Evangel, ND's of the world. In Evangels case, it is a smaller sample as the current group of kids are some of the first that have parents old enough to have played for Evangel. Even still, some of those parents moved over to Calvary years ago. But if you think that the vast majority of these kids didn't come up at Evangel as early as middle school then you are mistaken. They also hear about past accomplishments and current expectations DAILY. It's plastered on their field house walls, posted on their scoreboard, and flying on their flags.
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Post by creasy77 on Nov 11, 2015 12:35:12 GMT -6
All things the last few posts have stated are mostly correct. Also, part of the coaching goes down to pee wee football. Most of these programs run the same version of offense in peewee as they do in high school because it is a community effort. The one disagreement I have is about tradition not being a staple at the JC, Evangel, ND's of the world. In Evangels case, it is a smaller sample as the current group of kids are some of the first that have parents old enough to have played for Evangel. Even still, some of those parents moved over to Calvary years ago. But if you think that the vast majority of these kids didn't come up at Evangel as early as middle school then you are mistaken. They also hear about past accomplishments and current expectations DAILY. It's plastered on their field house walls, posted on their scoreboard, and flying on their flags. Of course it is a way of life at those places also. I think his question was more about how that happens in small, rural settings at small publics.
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Post by lurker on Nov 11, 2015 12:43:37 GMT -6
All things the last few posts have stated are mostly correct. Also, part of the coaching goes down to pee wee football. Most of these programs run the same version of offense in peewee as they do in high school because it is a community effort. The one disagreement I have is about tradition not being a staple at the JC, Evangel, ND's of the world. In Evangels case, it is a smaller sample as the current group of kids are some of the first that have parents old enough to have played for Evangel. Even still, some of those parents moved over to Calvary years ago. But if you think that the vast majority of these kids didn't come up at Evangel as early as middle school then you are mistaken. They also hear about past accomplishments and current expectations DAILY. It's plastered on their field house walls, posted on their scoreboard, and flying on their flags. Of course it is a way of life at those places also. I think his question was more about how that happens in small, rural settings at small publics. I was referring to 64's post and not the OP. Should have quoted to clear confusion
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Post by manytiger on Nov 11, 2015 13:15:34 GMT -6
Many has had it share of bad seasons. It got good here in the late 80s and 90s, we had a lot of up and down years. Coach Feaster came in the late 90s and had some great years, but there was no way we were gonna keep him here. After he left it dropped way off. I remember one year in the mid 2000s we had barely 20 kids on the team and that included a couple Hurricane Rita refugees. Then Coach Menard came and it picked up again, he stayed 3 yrs and Coach Curtis came and it has steadily risen. Coach Curtis is a hometown boy so I feel he will stay here a longtime along with a great Coaching staff. PeeWee Program started last year, and it is booming. The future is bright here. But I'm a realist, we will have some drop off years, the talent won't be quite what it is now, but it will cycle back around, and I will have my butt in the stands along with a lot of other fans win or lose.
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Post by TC_Cant_Hang on Nov 11, 2015 13:29:48 GMT -6
Keith Menard is a winner on and off the field.
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Post by manytiger on Nov 11, 2015 13:53:15 GMT -6
Keith Menard is a winner on and off the field. I liked Coach Menard, had some dang good years come to an end in the Quarterfinals thanks to Evangel. God Bless the split. In fact the year after he left, we had a down year finished 3-7 in Coach Curtis' first year, made playoffs as a 32 seed, and played John Curtis there. Like I said before God bless the split.
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Post by lurker on Nov 11, 2015 14:30:53 GMT -6
Keith Menard is a winner on and off the field. I liked Coach Menard, had some dang good years come to an end in the Quarterfinals thanks to Evangel. God Bless the split. In fact the year after he left, we had a down year finished 3-7 in Coach Curtis' first year, made playoffs as a 32 seed, and played John Curtis there. Like I said before God bless the split. Evangel and Curtis didn't want to be in 2A any more than you wanted them there. Don't bless the split... The LHSAA just swapped one wrong choice for another.
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Post by manytiger on Nov 11, 2015 14:38:31 GMT -6
I liked Coach Menard, had some dang good years come to an end in the Quarterfinals thanks to Evangel. God Bless the split. In fact the year after he left, we had a down year finished 3-7 in Coach Curtis' first year, made playoffs as a 32 seed, and played John Curtis there. Like I said before God bless the split. Evangel and Curtis didn't want to be in 2A any more than you wanted them there. Don't bless the split... The LHSAA just swapped one wrong choice for another.
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Post by manytiger on Nov 11, 2015 14:39:19 GMT -6
Evangel and Curtis didn't want to be in 2A any more than you wanted them there. Don't bless the split... The LHSAA just swapped one wrong choice for another. I'll bless what I dang well please. Split it all.
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Post by pinion on Nov 11, 2015 14:41:27 GMT -6
All things the last few posts have stated are mostly correct. Also, part of the coaching goes down to pee wee football. Most of these programs run the same version of offense in peewee as they do in high school because it is a community effort. The one disagreement I have is about tradition not being a staple at the JC, Evangel, ND's of the world. In Evangels case, it is a smaller sample as the current group of kids are some of the first that have parents old enough to have played for Evangel. Even still, some of those parents moved over to Calvary years ago. But if you think that the vast majority of these kids didn't come up at Evangel as early as middle school then you are mistaken. They also hear about past accomplishments and current expectations DAILY. It's plastered on their field house walls, posted on their scoreboard, and flying on their flags. I agree. That sense of being a part of Evangel runs pretty deep with most of the kids there. A lot of the folks I went there with have moved on, some over to Linwood. I've had a few "suggest" we change schools, we're happy where we are. But yes, the kids to know their expectations and past accomplishments. I think they all want to be part of an ECA team that gets talked about all the time. I can't imagine that same sense of "team" not being there with practically every school. Maybe it's not. I always felt like that sort of thing would be more evident with small towns. But I think more than the size of the town is the size of the school. I think a smaller school leads to that sense of belonging together. But I only went to a large school 1 year of my 12.
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Post by footballfan on Nov 11, 2015 14:54:00 GMT -6
Because it matters. It matters to the kids, it matters to the local paper, it matters to the parents, it matters to the guy who owns the convenience store. Winning is expected, and you are expected to be a part of it. They work on the little things and they talk about tradition. All this is because of great coaching. Losing is not OK to them. They are gracious losers, and good sports, but it is not OK. They train to win. They talk about winning. They think about winning. They love winning. I agree Creasy. They understand that football is a way out of their small town and that's all anybody ever wants when they live in a small town, a way out.
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Post by LATigerFan on Nov 11, 2015 14:59:03 GMT -6
Because it matters. It matters to the kids, it matters to the local paper, it matters to the parents, it matters to the guy who owns the convenience store. Winning is expected, and you are expected to be a part of it. They work on the little things and they talk about tradition. All this is because of great coaching. Losing is not OK to them. They are gracious losers, and good sports, but it is not OK. They train to win. They talk about winning. They think about winning. They love winning. I agree Creasy. They understand that football is a way out of their small town and that's all anybody ever wants when they live in a small town, a way out. im not to sure about that statement most small town folks i know wouldnt want it any other way including me
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Post by 1stdown on Nov 11, 2015 15:29:53 GMT -6
I don't think most small town people want to leave. Most come back, like Al Woods, he has a house near his home town of elton. Many of the ex football players show up to watch many of our practices and games.
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Post by creasy77 on Nov 11, 2015 15:36:42 GMT -6
I agree Creasy. They understand that football is a way out of their small town and that's all anybody ever wants when they live in a small town, a way out. im not to sure about that statement most small town folks i know wouldnt want it any other way including me I think you are both right. A lot of people want to get out of their small town, when they are young. As they age, all they think about is coming back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 15:53:28 GMT -6
I once heard the Many coach say they have 95-98% attendance during summer workouts, 4 days a week. That's unheard of for high school kids to show up everyday during the summer for workouts. Im sure it is like that at any school that has a winning tradition, there is a commitment from everyone involved; players, coaches, administration, parents--EVERYONE. Look at the schools that go .500 and under I bet they don't have 50% attendance during the summer if any at all. This is completely true and actual athletic department wide summer workout program was implemented in Kinder back in 2004. It grows every year and the athletes buy into it. You can see the success in baseball and football now is starting to come around also give in the fact that Kinder never had pee wee football until 2001 and now given 14 years later we are starting to develop program and be at least top of the district year in and year out we went 1-7 in 2008 and since then all other seasons we have been above .500 2005 2006 and 2007 we went 7-3 10-2 and 8-4 respectively
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Post by Deuce on Nov 11, 2015 16:29:36 GMT -6
I'll bless what I dang well please. Split it all. That's funny right there!
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Post by fridaynights on Nov 11, 2015 19:29:01 GMT -6
It takes total commitment from administration coaches parents players and the community. The players parents and community are 100% behind these programs you talked about. At Many the players are required to participate in the summer workout program if they wish to play. This year that meant 80 plus players showing up at 7am 4 days a week. The players believe in the program and have seen the results pay off for the program. This builds team unity commit and trust. It also helps players get stronger and faster. It helps build program players. Everybody has a couple of very good players but when you can get the marginal player to improve and become better because he's gotten stronger and faster, those are the players that can put you over the top. Program players are players that reach another level because they invested into the program. Add to the fact that the community comes out in record numbers tailgating all day long from 8 in the morning until midnight on Friday nights. Football in these small towns makes people walk a little taller and be proud of their old high school. This rubs off on the players. There is a lot of pride wearing the colors, wearing the M means a lot to the players from pee wee to high school. The kids in Many are proud of the tradition that we have and are trying to build on it.
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