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Post by sta4ever on Mar 22, 2018 12:40:29 GMT -6
Just an idea and thought I have for a new playoff format for baseball and softball. First of all, the split needs to be done away with for it to work really good. I’m sure this idea is possible for the playoffs even with the split but doing away with the split would just be a lot better. The split just needs to be done away with regardless of the playoff format anyways.
Pretty much the format would be 8 regional hosts and they would be the top 8 teams in the power rankings. They would still be paired up with each other just like they are now. For example, the 1 seed would still be matched up with the 16,17, and 32 seed. The 1 seed would be the number 1 team in the regional, the 16 seed would be the number 2 team in that regional, the 17 seed would be the number 3 team in that regional, and the 32 seed would be the number 4 team in that regional. They would play a double elimination tournament over the course of a weekend. It’s pretty much formatted just like a college baseball regional.
The 8 regionals are still matched up with each other just like a normal playoff bracket. For example, the winner of the number 1 seeded regional would play the winner of the number 8 seeded regional in a best of 3 series and the location would be at the higher seededs ball park. For example, the number 2 team in the number 1 seeded regional wins that regional, and the number 1 team in the number 8 seeded team wins that regional, so the number 8 seeded team (because they are the number 8 team in the power rankings opposed to the number 16 team in the power rankings) would be the host for the next round in a best of 3 series. Then the 4 winners of the best of 3 series go to Sulphur and either play just single elimination just like it is now, or they could play a 4 team tournament for the state championship.
I’ll post what this format would look like based off of last years power rankings for 5A combined and I’ll just choose random teams as winners to show how the format works for the rounds after the regionals. I’ll put * to show the regional winners. I’m sure I’m not the first person to come up with this idea and post about it but I think it’d be a cool idea and format to have. At least with 4A and 5A because they have more pitching depth than lower classes so yes I do know that this could be an issue for lower class teams because they don’t have the depth that upper class teams have.
Bracket 1
1.) West Monroe Regional
1. West Monroe (1)*
2. New Iberia (16)
3. Brother Martin (17)
4. Thibodaux (32)
8.) Destrehan Regional
1. Destrehan (8)*
2. Holy Cross (9)
3. Dutchtown (24)
4. Denham Springs (25)
5.) Catholic Regional
1. Catholic (5)*
2. Sulphur (12)
3. Ruston (21)
4. Covington (28)
4.) Sam Houston Regional
1. Sam Houston (4)
2. Rummel (13)*
3. St Paul’s (20)
4. East Ascension (29)
Bracket 2
2.) Barbe Regional
1. Barbe (2)
2. Jesuit (15)*
3. Airline (18)
4. Lafayette (31)
7.) Zachary Regional
1. Zachary (7)
2. Central (10)*
3. Ouachita (23)
4. St Amant (26)
6.) Acadiana Regional
1. Acadiana (6)*
2. Hahnville (11)
3. H.L. Bourgeois (22)
4. Northshore (27)
3.) John Curtis Regional
1. John Curtis (3)*
2. Live Oak (14)
3. Pineville (19)
4. Alexandria (30)
Best of 3 series (Super Regionals)
Bracket 1
(8) Destrehan @ (1) West Monroe*
(13) Rummel @ (5) Catholic*
Bracket 2
(15) Jesuit @ (10) Central*
(6) Acadiana @ (3) John Curtis*
Final 4 (which can be either a double elimination tournament or just your normal single elimination semi finals and state championship
(1) West Monroe vs (5) Catholic
(3) John Curtis vs (10) Central
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Post by coach1611 on Mar 22, 2018 23:27:32 GMT -6
Love it. Do it all classes its the way baseball should be!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 8:31:37 GMT -6
Excellent Idea. Have your principal write up a proposal.
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Post by rvanicor on Mar 23, 2018 8:49:05 GMT -6
Don’t see this happening. Scenario Thibodeaux travels to west Monroe for weekend. Hotel cost and food cost for Friday , Saturday could get expensive instead of traveling same day of your game and returning unless the host site splits gate with all. I love the idea but I believe a lot of schools will oppose this. Ump availability could be an issue with all playoffs going to weekend series especially with travel ball on all weekends. I think it could work if the 16,17,32 seed teams bring fans and some type of gate split would work but it could be expensive for a lot of schools. Very possible the 17 seed travels every weekend and has hotel and lodging cost
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 8:54:19 GMT -6
Don’t see this happening. Scenario Thibodeaux travels to west Monroe for weekend. Hotel cost and food cost for Friday , Saturday could get expensive instead of traveling same day of your game and returning unless the host site splits gate with all. I love the idea but I believe a lot of schools will oppose this. Ump availability could be an issue with all playoffs going to weekend series especially with travel ball on all weekends. I think it could work if the 16,17,32 seed teams bring fans and some type of gate split would work but it could be expensive for a lot of schools. Very possible the 17 seed travels every weekend and has hotel and lodging cost I don't see this as much different as far as travel than the current system. If it were true "regionials" it would actually reduce travel in a bunch of cases. |
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Post by KnowItAll on Mar 23, 2018 11:33:28 GMT -6
This was brought up a few years back if I can remember but it was quickly shut down(by coaches discussing it not a proposal), also with some schools not having facilities to not be able to host night games would kill the idea. Also, the split is here to stay, if there was any chance it would go back, it would of been this past season after talking to coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 11:52:18 GMT -6
This was brought up a few years back if I can remember but it was quickly shut down(by coaches discussing it not a proposal), also with some schools not having facilities to not be able to host night games would kill the idea. Also, the split is here to stay, if there was any chance it would go back, it would of been this past season after talking to coaches. No doubt it's here to stay. Time to make the best of it. I think most people have moved on from that. I'd say each side should now start to mold their playoffs the way they want them. |
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Post by KnowItAll on Mar 23, 2018 12:00:17 GMT -6
This was brought up a few years back if I can remember but it was quickly shut down(by coaches discussing it not a proposal), also with some schools not having facilities to not be able to host night games would kill the idea. Also, the split is here to stay, if there was any chance it would go back, it would of been this past season after talking to coaches. No doubt it's here to stay. Time to make the best of it. I think most people have moved on from that. I'd say each side should now start to mold their playoffs the way they want them. Absolutely, no reason the privates should have a say in the postseason of the public's and vice versa. If there was any sport in the LHSAA handbook that had a shot to get back together it was boys or girls basketball, especially after the coaches voted for it to get back together last year, but it was the principals who overturned that idea. Baseball/Softball is right up there with football on having the most coaches agree for the split. |
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Mar 24, 2018 14:11:50 GMT -6
Regional Tournaments sound fine in theory but using the traditional bracket tree is still better. To reduce the number of Championships, combine 1A and B then take the 14 smallest schools and put them with C. Line up all the Select schools by enrollment then break them down into 3 Divisions instead of 5.
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Post by indy on Mar 24, 2018 19:06:07 GMT -6
Just an idea and thought I have for a new playoff format for baseball and softball. First of all, the split needs to be done away with for it to work really good. I’m sure this idea is possible for the playoffs even with the split but doing away with the split would just be a lot better. The split just needs to be done away with regardless of the playoff format anyways. Pretty much the format would be 8 regional hosts and they would be the top 8 teams in the power rankings. They would still be paired up with each other just like they are now. For example, the 1 seed would still be matched up with the 16,17, and 32 seed. The 1 seed would be the number 1 team in the regional, the 16 seed would be the number 2 team in that regional, the 17 seed would be the number 3 team in that regional, and the 32 seed would be the number 4 team in that regional. They would play a double elimination tournament over the course of a weekend. It’s pretty much formatted just like a college baseball regional. The 8 regionals are still matched up with each other just like a normal playoff bracket. For example, the winner of the number 1 seeded regional would play the winner of the number 8 seeded regional in a best of 3 series and the location would be at the higher seededs ball park. For example, the number 2 team in the number 1 seeded regional wins that regional, and the number 1 team in the number 8 seeded team wins that regional, so the number 8 seeded team (because they are the number 8 team in the power rankings opposed to the number 16 team in the power rankings) would be the host for the next round in a best of 3 series. Then the 4 winners of the best of 3 series go to Sulphur and either play just single elimination just like it is now, or they could play a 4 team tournament for the state championship. I’ll post what this format would look like based off of last years power rankings for 5A combined and I’ll just choose random teams as winners to show how the format works for the rounds after the regionals. I’ll put * to show the regional winners. I’m sure I’m not the first person to come up with this idea and post about it but I think it’d be a cool idea and format to have. At least with 4A and 5A because they have more pitching depth than lower classes so yes I do know that this could be an issue for lower class teams because they don’t have the depth that upper class teams have. Bracket 1 1.) West Monroe Regional 1. West Monroe (1)* 2. New Iberia (16) 3. Brother Martin (17) 4. Thibodaux (32) 8.) Destrehan Regional 1. Destrehan (8)* 2. Holy Cross (9) 3. Dutchtown (24) 4. Denham Springs (25) 5.) Catholic Regional 1. Catholic (5)* 2. Sulphur (12) 3. Ruston (21) 4. Covington (28) 4.) Sam Houston Regional 1. Sam Houston (4) 2. Rummel (13)* 3. St Paul’s (20) 4. East Ascension (29) Bracket 2 2.) Barbe Regional 1. Barbe (2) 2. Jesuit (15)* 3. Airline (18) 4. Lafayette (31) 7.) Zachary Regional 1. Zachary (7) 2. Central (10)* 3. Ouachita (23) 4. St Amant (26) 6.) Acadiana Regional 1. Acadiana (6)* 2. Hahnville (11) 3. H.L. Bourgeois (22) 4. Northshore (27) 3.) John Curtis Regional 1. John Curtis (3)* 2. Live Oak (14) 3. Pineville (19) 4. Alexandria (30) Best of 3 series (Super Regionals) Bracket 1 (8) Destrehan @ (1) West Monroe* (13) Rummel @ (5) Catholic* Bracket 2 (15) Jesuit @ (10) Central* (6) Acadiana @ (3) John Curtis* Final 4 (which can be either a double elimination tournament or just your normal single elimination semi finals and state championship (1) West Monroe vs (5) Catholic (3) John Curtis vs (10) Central Makes to much sense for our principals. But... if they can figure how to Make money off the backs of student athletes they just might buy into it. When you have a bunch of zeros running an organization you can expect nothing. |
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Post by lawarrior15 on Mar 26, 2018 7:27:17 GMT -6
I have actually been saying this for years and even brought it up to a LHSAA exec a couple of years ago while talking to him in Sulphur. My outlook was as follows:
First round 8 Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket.
That will leave you with 8 regional winners advancing
Second Round 2 Super Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket
That will leave 2 Super Regional winners Advancing to the State Tournament in Sulphur
Third Round will be the final 2 teams playing a best of 3 series in Sulphur for the state championship
*The highest seed would host in the regional/super regional, as long as they can secure a field with lights because you would have to play night games.
*Ticket sales would be divided up to all teams playing there by number of games they play in the regional/super regional.
*Host school keeps all concessions
*This, in my opinion, would generate more money to the schools because everyone would be guaranteed at least 2 games and the really low seeds don't have to worry about play a #1 seed and being a 1-and-done.
*This also eliminates the issues of the major upsets we seed in the first round of being a one-game winner take all. If a higher seed is upset in the first game, they still have a chance of coming through a loser bracket to advance. The best teams would win in the end.
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Post by KnowItAll on Mar 26, 2018 13:17:32 GMT -6
I have actually been saying this for years and even brought it up to a LHSAA exec a couple of years ago while talking to him in Sulphur. My outlook was as follows: First round 8 Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket. That will leave you with 8 regional winners advancing Second Round 2 Super Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket That will leave 2 Super Regional winners Advancing to the State Tournament in Sulphur Third Round will be the final 2 teams playing a best of 3 series in Sulphur for the state championship *The highest seed would host in the regional/super regional, as long as they can secure a field with lights because you would have to play night games. *Ticket sales would be divided up to all teams playing there by number of games they play in the regional/super regional. *Host school keeps all concessions *This, in my opinion, would generate more money to the schools because everyone would be guaranteed at least 2 games and the really low seeds don't have to worry about play a #1 seed and being a 1-and-done. *This also eliminates the issues of the major upsets we seed in the first round of being a one-game winner take all. If a higher seed is upset in the first game, they still have a chance of coming through a loser bracket to advance. The best teams would win in the end. As I mentioned above, this was brought up a few years back but was quickly shut down by coaches just talking about it, don't get me wrong, some coaches peeked at the idea, but a lot the negative talk was about it having to do with the fact that teams would lose a home game in this situation, the other aspect that a few coaches brought up about it was, it just so happens baseball ends in the start of May where you have a lot of schools dealing with graduation and testing, and having kids missing a few days with travel didn't help the discussion. |
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Mar 26, 2018 14:08:41 GMT -6
I have actually been saying this for years and even brought it up to a LHSAA exec a couple of years ago while talking to him in Sulphur. My outlook was as follows: First round 8 Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket. That will leave you with 8 regional winners advancing Second Round 2 Super Regionals of 4 team double elimination bracket That will leave 2 Super Regional winners Advancing to the State Tournament in Sulphur Third Round will be the final 2 teams playing a best of 3 series in Sulphur for the state championship *The highest seed would host in the regional/super regional, as long as they can secure a field with lights because you would have to play night games. *Ticket sales would be divided up to all teams playing there by number of games they play in the regional/super regional. *Host school keeps all concessions *This, in my opinion, would generate more money to the schools because everyone would be guaranteed at least 2 games and the really low seeds don't have to worry about play a #1 seed and being a 1-and-done. *This also eliminates the issues of the major upsets we seed in the first round of being a one-game winner take all. If a higher seed is upset in the first game, they still have a chance of coming through a loser bracket to advance. The best teams would win in the end. They should just make the 1st round 2 of 3 as well. Regional Tournaments? Nah. K.I.S.S. LOL. ( Not a shot @ U) |
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