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Post by TheFireman89 on May 14, 2019 21:47:41 GMT -6
Congrats to our 2019 LHSAA Baseball State Champions
5A: Barbe
4A: Tioga
3A: Sterlington
2A: Kinder
1A: Oberlin
B: Pitkin
C: Simpson
D1: St. Paul's
D2: St. Charles
D3: Calvary Baptist
D4: Ouachita Christian
D5: Northside Christian
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Post by easyduzit on May 14, 2019 23:52:01 GMT -6
Congrats to our 2019 LHSAA Baseball State Champions
5A: Barbe
4A: Tioga
3A: Sterlington
2A: Kinder
1A: Oberlin
B: Pitkin
C: Simpson
D1: St. Paul's
D2: St. Charles
D3: Calvary Baptist
D4: Ouachita Christian
D5: Northside Christian Congratulations to all schools and kids!! |
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 15, 2019 9:02:47 GMT -6
5A: Barbe - 10th, all in Class 5A
4A: Tioga - 3rd overall
3A: Sterlington - 2nd overall
2A: Kinder - 3rd, all in Class 2A
1A: Oberlin - 1st ever in Baseball
B: Pitkin - 12tth, all in Class B
C: Simpson - 4th overall
D1: St. Paul's - 2nd overall
D2: St. Charles - 1st ever in Baseball
D3: Calvary Baptist - 4th overall
D4: Ouachita Christian - 8th overall
D5: Northside Christian - 2nd overall
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Post by indy on May 19, 2019 21:40:25 GMT -6
Let's be realistic
when the javelin in track was changed the lhsaa started keeping old and new javelin records
same needs to be done for all the sports with before the split and after the split
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Post by indy on May 20, 2019 8:29:55 GMT -6
5A: Barbe - 10th, all in Class 5A 4A: Tioga - 3rd overall 3A: Sterlington - 2nd overall 2A: Kinder - 3rd, all in Class 2A 1A: Oberlin - 1st ever in Baseball B: Pitkin - 12tth, all in Class B C: Simpson - 4th overall D1: St. Paul's - 2nd overall D2: St. Charles - 1st ever in Baseball D3: Calvary Baptist - 4th overall D4: Ouachita Christian - 8th overall D5: Northside Christian - 2nd overall You forgot the asterisks * |
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Post by wshs on May 20, 2019 10:33:53 GMT -6
5A: Barbe - 10th, all in Class 5A 4A: Tioga - 3rd overall 3A: Sterlington - 2nd overall 2A: Kinder - 3rd, all in Class 2A 1A: Oberlin - 1st ever in Baseball B: Pitkin - 12tth, all in Class B C: Simpson - 4th overall D1: St. Paul's - 2nd overall D2: St. Charles - 1st ever in Baseball D3: Calvary Baptist - 4th overall D4: Ouachita Christian - 8th overall D5: Northside Christian - 2nd overall You forgot the asterisks * Take that s**t somewhere else and just congratulate the teams and coaches that won championships. While the split may not be the best possible solution for football I think its been great for baseball. If you love high school baseball, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to see more baseball games? The parity isn't nearly as extreme as football. Kinder could beat Calvary on any given day and vice versa. Same for Sterlington/ St Charles or any of the above champions listed. Nothing wrong with having a few more champions in my book. They are all good teams. |
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Post by indy on May 20, 2019 11:11:12 GMT -6
issues with your statement
Well St. Thomas More and Teurlings just got beat by a school that by rule shouldn't be in their bracket
University Academy of Cenla was excluded from any bracket even though they would be 17 in a combined bracket
Class C privates had to play Class B privates
more baseball is better really tell it to the teams playing morning games on weekdays or tell it to the teams who had to pitch kids on short rest to accommodate a bloated field
Last year the 2a "title game" was played by two teams who were third in their district
Ascension Episcopal swept the "champion" in district play but didn't go to Sulphur because they were in the better bracket
so if we wanna add more teams how about we take the eight actually best instead of 4 from this bracket and 4 from the other bracket
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Post by wshs on May 20, 2019 11:58:32 GMT -6
issues with your statement Well St. Thomas More and Teurlings just got beat by a school that by rule shouldn't be in their bracket University Academy of Cenla was excluded from any bracket even though they would be 17 in a combined bracket Class C privates had to play Class B privates more baseball is better really tell it to the teams playing morning games on weekdays or tell it to the teams who had to pitch kids on short rest to accommodate a bloated field Last year the 2a "title game" was played by two teams who were third in their district Ascension Episcopal swept the "champion" in district play but didn't go to Sulphur because they were in the better bracket so if we wanna add more teams how about we take the eight actually best instead of 4 from this bracket and 4 from the other bracket issues with your statement
I don't think the kids playing for a championship were that concerned with what time they played there games. The pitch count rules don't really allow teams to pitch kids on "short rest". As for this year with all of the rain delays everyone should have had there full rotation available.
As for comparing what happened in the regular season during district or citing a game here or there, it means nothing. As for brackets every team has to play the hand they are dealt.
I guess any school could use regular season results as an argument of why they are better or more deserving than the Champion.
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Post by wshs on May 20, 2019 12:08:28 GMT -6
This year in 2a the champion came in third in their district but won it all. The number one team in that district was put in the easier bottom half of the bracket and didn't make it to the finals.
Winnfield played as the best team in 2A the entire season. They shared common opponents Sterlington, Notre Dame and Cedar Creek. Winnfield won every game, Kinder lost every game. Meant entirely nothing!
At the end of the day Kinder rolled into playoffs and took care of business.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 20, 2019 18:18:14 GMT -6
5A: Barbe - 10th, all in Class 5A 4A: Tioga - 3rd overall 3A: Sterlington - 2nd overall 2A: Kinder - 3rd, all in Class 2A 1A: Oberlin - 1st ever in Baseball B: Pitkin - 12tth, all in Class B C: Simpson - 4th overall D1: St. Paul's - 2nd overall D2: St. Charles - 1st ever in Baseball D3: Calvary Baptist - 4th overall D4: Ouachita Christian - 8th overall D5: Northside Christian - 2nd overall You forgot the asterisks * The only Championship that should have an asterisk is the one Notre Dame *won* last year. They violated the pitch count rule and got away with it. |
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Post by wshs on May 20, 2019 18:41:13 GMT -6
You forgot the asterisks * The only Championship that should have an asterisk is the one Notre Dame *won* last year. They violated the pitch count rule and got away with it. Preach on bud!! Then the bulls**t excuse from Bodine of why y’all werent required to forfeit. Didn’t work out that way for Winnfield in 17 when in the heat of the moment our coach went over pitch count in an extra inning tie that would have sent us on to the quarters against the number 2 seed. At the end of the day we broke pitch count and were punished. Y’all got a slap on the wrist and retained the trophy. Big ******* on that one!!!! |
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Post by indy on May 20, 2019 20:42:27 GMT -6
You forgot the asterisks * The only Championship that should have an asterisk is the one Notre Dame *won* last year. They violated the pitch count rule and got away with it. Good one, but it doesn’t change the fact that they all need an asterisk. 2A had two state champions. Either one can claim they are the best although per the dictionary “select” trumps “not select” just facts |
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Post by wshs on May 21, 2019 7:37:21 GMT -6
The only Championship that should have an asterisk is the one Notre Dame *won* last year. They violated the pitch count rule and got away with it. Good one, but it doesn’t change the fact that they all need an asterisk. 2A had two state champions. Either one can claim they are the best although per the dictionary “select” trumps “not select” just facts That's right, they both can claim they are the best in their respective division/ classification. Pretty sure its irrelevant to the players and fans of Kinder what your opinion on the matter is. They are state champions.
I'm sure in your infinite wisdom you have decided Kinder isn't worthy. Probably something to do with ND beating them twice in the regular season, then ND getting beat by Calvary in the playoffs means in your mind that Kinder doesn't deserve to be called champions.
But then you would be forgetting that ND was beaten by two 2A public schools in the regular season. Run ruled by Welsh. Those teams that beat ND in the regular season were in the field of 32 Kinder competed against and neither even made it to the finals. How many private school champions were beaten this year by public schools that didn't win a championship?
One thing I can agree with you on--- Thanks for finally admitting that having the ability to "select" your student body, is better and more advantageous than "not being able to select" your student body.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on May 21, 2019 8:28:20 GMT -6
The only Championship that should have an asterisk is the one Notre Dame *won* last year. They violated the pitch count rule and got away with it. Good one, but it doesn’t change the fact that they all need an asterisk. 2A had two state champions. Either one can claim they are the best although per the dictionary “select” trumps “not select” just facts Class 2A has ONE Champion. Div III has ONE Champion. Those are the facts. Those Selects are in 2A Districts because of their enrollment but their not real 2A schools. Their just large town private schools pretending their the same as small town public schools. |
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Post by indy on May 21, 2019 8:32:22 GMT -6
Good one, but it doesn’t change the fact that they all need an asterisk. 2A had two state champions. Either one can claim they are the best although per the dictionary “select” trumps “not select” just facts Class 2A has ONE Champion. Div III has ONE Champion. Those are the facts. Those Selects are in 2A Districts because of their enrollment but their not real 2A schools. Their just large town private schools pretending their the same as small town public schools. Word it how you want but two teams classified as 2A claim to be state champs. |
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Post by indy on May 21, 2019 8:54:57 GMT -6
Good one, but it doesn’t change the fact that they all need an asterisk. 2A had two state champions. Either one can claim they are the best although per the dictionary “select” trumps “not select” just facts That's right, they both can claim they are the best in their respective division/ classification. Pretty sure its irrelevant to the players and fans of Kinder what your opinion on the matter is. They are state champions.
I'm sure in your infinite wisdom you have decided Kinder isn't worthy. Probably something to do with ND beating them twice in the regular season, then ND getting beat by Calvary in the playoffs means in your mind that Kinder doesn't deserve to be called champions.
But then you would be forgetting that ND was beaten by two 2A public schools in the regular season. Run ruled by Welsh. Those teams that beat ND in the regular season were in the field of 32 Kinder competed against and neither even made it to the finals. How many private school champions were beaten this year by public schools that didn't win a championship?
One thing I can agree with you on--- Thanks for finally admitting that having the ability to "select" your student body, is better and more advantageous than "not being able to select" your student body.
?? I never said ND or any Catholic or private school has the ability to select students. But, Parents have every right to select what school they send their children. |
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Post by wshs on May 21, 2019 9:37:56 GMT -6
That's right, they both can claim they are the best in their respective division/ classification. Pretty sure its irrelevant to the players and fans of Kinder what your opinion on the matter is. They are state champions.
I'm sure in your infinite wisdom you have decided Kinder isn't worthy. Probably something to do with ND beating them twice in the regular season, then ND getting beat by Calvary in the playoffs means in your mind that Kinder doesn't deserve to be called champions.
But then you would be forgetting that ND was beaten by two 2A public schools in the regular season. Run ruled by Welsh. Those teams that beat ND in the regular season were in the field of 32 Kinder competed against and neither even made it to the finals. How many private school champions were beaten this year by public schools that didn't win a championship?
One thing I can agree with you on--- Thanks for finally admitting that having the ability to "select" your student body, is better and more advantageous than "not being able to select" your student body.
?? I never said ND or any Catholic or private school has the ability to select students. But, Parents have every right to select what school they send their children. You said something along the lines as "select" trumps "non select". I agreed. The ability to select your student body is obviously advantageous for multiple reasons. Thus the need for the split. You are right-- parents have the right to select what school they send their kid too. You are wrong about private schools not being able to select which students come. Before you even start on "ND doesn't turn away kids" I want you to really think about it. If a parent comes up to ND and says "my baby doesn't make good grades, doesn't care about school and has run ins with the law. We don't have dime to pay for him to come to this school but we want him to", everyone knows ND is going to turn him away.... unless of course he runs a 4.4 or has a 90 mph fastball. Then maybe an exception is made.
Kinder and every other public school doesn't get to select. They have to take everyone. The good with the bad. And the bad spend there time turning some of the good down the path they are on.
That's one of the main advantages that people seem to forget. Take a school like ND with 300 plus kids being raised right and parents paying big $$$ to go to school. ND can afford to take some of those athletic kids headed in the wrong direction, put them with those 300 plus and straighten them out. IF one goes nuts just kick them out.
Doesn't work that way in the public system. You have half the kids doing right and half doing wrong. The half headed wrong spend there time trying to bring the ones on the bubble down with them.
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Post by indy on May 21, 2019 21:15:51 GMT -6
looks like we are finally getting close on some common ground to agree on so i really don't want to fix the wrong scores from last post or bother looking up who beat whom
Where we differ is the insinuation than nd or the majority of catholic schools have some magic tuition fund to use for the "athlete" that can't play or somehow extra considerations are made for extra good players. What's the justification or line drawn to make exceptions to the rules it becomes a slippery slope
That's why Redemptorist in Baton Rouge no longer exist or look at what's going with Riverside Academy
Where we can agree on is the advantage for the "select" isn't some mythical attendance zone it's parental involvement and students motivation. After being in the district with Kinder the last two years I can attest to this happening for them too. They've got a good coaching stuff and a great community i'm sorry to see them leave our district.
The staff also has a great chemistry that is also typically present in "select" schools. I can agree with your statement that when the majority of the kids are well behaved you can focus on them and helping them to improve and it doesn't take many bad apples to drain the coaches energy and take away focus from the good ones.
Now on a difference playing sports is a privilege and not a right and those kids can and probably should be removed from the team
It does seem like you get that parents make decisions about where to send their kids and want them in better situations. Now this isn't always private or catholic school. The part where i get frustrated is when and it happens often that an out of zone kid goes to the public school for the same reasons many kids end up at a private school. If there is not split then i'm not that worried about it but the multitude of situations that exist for this to happen just doesn't seem to equitable to me
I want to end this post before i begin to ramble on
I'm curious and await your response wshs
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Post by wshs on May 22, 2019 7:24:30 GMT -6
looks like we are finally getting close on some common ground to agree on so i really don't want to fix the wrong scores from last post or bother looking up who beat whom Where we differ is the insinuation than nd or the majority of catholic schools have some magic tuition fund to use for the "athlete" that can't play or somehow extra considerations are made for extra good players. What's the justification or line drawn to make exceptions to the rules it becomes a slippery slope That's why Redemptorist in Baton Rouge no longer exist or look at what's going with Riverside Academy Where we can agree on is the advantage for the "select" isn't some mythical attendance zone it's parental involvement and students motivation. After being in the district with Kinder the last two years I can attest to this happening for them too. They've got a good coaching stuff and a great community i'm sorry to see them leave our district. The staff also has a great chemistry that is also typically present in "select" schools. I can agree with your statement that when the majority of the kids are well behaved you can focus on them and helping them to improve and it doesn't take many bad apples to drain the coaches energy and take away focus from the good ones. Now on a difference playing sports is a privilege and not a right and those kids can and probably should be removed from the team It does seem like you get that parents make decisions about where to send their kids and want them in better situations. Now this isn't always private or catholic school. The part where i get frustrated is when and it happens often that an out of zone kid goes to the public school for the same reasons many kids end up at a private school. If there is not split then i'm not that worried about it but the multitude of situations that exist for this to happen just doesn't seem to equitable to me I want to end this post before i begin to ramble on I'm curious and await your response wshs Before I even respond to your last post, I want to point one thing out. This thread was created to list this years champions. It wasn't to bring this split bulls**T into it. The team I support had their best team in the history of the school. We were plenty talented enough to win it all, but laid an egg in the playoffs. That's just how the cookie crumbles. The year didn't turn out how any of us wanted, but that would never prevent me from congratulating the teams that did win it all. Its an accomplishment they should be proud of. You, on the other hand, seem intent on trying to tear down any accomplishment these schools have by posting ignorant s**t. Obviously you are upset your team didn't win, so you come on here whining about being in a tougher bracket and Kinder not being deserving of a championship. Using this flawed theory of Team A beat Team B, Team C beat Team A all in the regular season, so obviously Team C is better than Team B. That's just not how things work. That's why its called the post season, the regular season is over.
Honestly you should just be happy ND got to keep the championship last year when they should have been forced to forfeit.
I will respond to this one from your previous post:
looks like we are finally getting close on some common ground to agree on so i really don't want to fix the wrong scores from last post or bother looking up who beat whom--- Feel free to look up the scores, I'm sure you already have. It just didn't fit your narrative.
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Post by indy on May 22, 2019 7:58:47 GMT -6
damn
didn't realize my attempt at a civil conversation would go so poorly
i actually believed that you might could help me see the other side better
my mistake
and the only thing i do know on your the one thing you did answer is Welsh vs ND wasn't a run rule it was a 7 inning game
as far as the forfeit from last year goes why don't you ask anyone who played St. Thomas Aquinas this year or last year how complaint their coach was about communicating pitch count to the opposing team
when he didn't communicate with nd they were forced to go to official pitch count and base everything off that
i'm sure you don't care but more facts on the game
a pitching change was still made
the last batter that Miller faced got a hit
the one and only batter that Meche faced who by the way was 3 hole Alex Egan an allstate player struck out
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Post by indy on May 22, 2019 8:06:03 GMT -6
another question
So in my first post i mentioned that the javelin record reflects both pre and post change on the record book
i didn't say count one and not the other
i seemly mentioned that seems for all sports that are split it should be the same thing and on both sides
it is different
I really can't understand the logic of how 1a, 2a, 3a, 4a, 5a titles can be claimed when people who exist by enrollment aren't included in those brackets or competitions but i guess you proved why it would be harder for people to justify it's the same as it was if they couldn't use those titles
The 2010 Notre Dame state champ team won a combined bracket the 2018 team won a split bracket - they didn't win the same thing
Would you claim to be the top graduate in your school if they excluded one of the genders from the competition?
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Post by wshs on May 22, 2019 8:32:58 GMT -6
No. No. No. You went on a tangent about this team beat that team. And this team beat that team but didn't win because they were in a tougher bracket yada, yada, yada..... the beat goes on and on.
Personally, I don't know exactly what you think I "proved" and I honestly don't care. I'm sick of trying to read through the constant run on sentences and decipher what point you are trying to make.
I do know this:
1. Notre Dame broke the rules last year and were allowed to keep the title. Big ****** on that one.
2. Kinder is the 2A State Champion this year. CONGRATULATIONS KINDER!!!
3. Notre Dame is not the DIV111 Champion this year. keep crying!!
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Post by indy on May 22, 2019 9:57:41 GMT -6
You're correct
Notre Dame baseball team didn't win the division III title this year
You're correct
Kinder did win a bracket referred to as 2a even though it didn't have half of the schools that are 2a by enrollment
congrats to Tyler Chachere and the Kinder community I really those guys and coaches
I find it comical that you are telling me to quit crying we got beat by the best team in our bracket it happens
Notre Dame isn't the school that pushed for the split
Catholic schools aren't the one's who voted out teams they felt that they couldn't beat
One a side note Welsh also had a good team this year. Austyn Benoit was the catcher for them and he signed with LSUE he's a great kid and i wish him well. Parker Primeaux was an excellent pitcher and will continue his career at Centenary
I know that Ryan McKenzie will be playing football at Alcorn next fall
is anyone else moving on?
Welsh did have a good team and would have been at least in the quarters of the true bracket possibly further
That very well may have been the best team in school history and i guess we differ there i want the best Notre Dame team to play the best teams they belong with to see how they match up
Congrats to coach Williams and Welsh on a successful season
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