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Post by cvwildcatfan on Mar 1, 2016 16:07:50 GMT -6
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Post by retired on Mar 1, 2016 19:03:13 GMT -6
I am not aware that many private schools have a large percentage of "voucher" students, particularly in high schools.
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Post by BGH on Mar 1, 2016 19:38:10 GMT -6
I think it is a blessing in disguise. Even though I think the voucher concept is a good idea, once you accept them it allows the government to get their hooks into you. I am pretty sure Calvary did not accept vouchers, but I did hear that Evangel did accept vouchers, and by doing so were mandated to implement Common Core. On the flip side, what a sad commentary on our Louisiana government. Doing it in the middle of a school year is despicable. This from the Governor who did away with the requirement that you work to receive welfare benefits. They are deliberately choosing things that will make the average taxpayer hurt, while protecting their welfare state. If you told them we need to cut back on abortions for the rest of the school year they would fight you tooth and nail.
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Post by GUNSLINGER on Mar 1, 2016 21:38:16 GMT -6
On the flip side, what a sad commentary on our Louisiana government. Doing it in the middle of a school year is despicable. This from the Governor who did away with the requirement that you work to receive welfare benefits. They are deliberately choosing things that will make the average taxpayer hurt, while protecting their welfare state. If you told them we need to cut back on abortions for the rest of the school year they would fight you tooth and nail. Yet another example of the socialist invasion of American democracy...
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Post by xcat on Mar 2, 2016 8:31:31 GMT -6
On the flip side, what a sad commentary on our Louisiana government. Doing it in the middle of a school year is despicable. This from the Governor who did away with the requirement that you work to receive welfare benefits. They are deliberately choosing things that will make the average taxpayer hurt, while protecting their welfare state. If you told them we need to cut back on abortions for the rest of the school year they would fight you tooth and nail. Yet another example of the socialist invasion of American democracy... US Government has had elements of Socialism since the 1930's - and especially since the 60's when Johnson's "Great Society" program kicked in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 8:35:45 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids.
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Post by Raven on Mar 2, 2016 10:03:06 GMT -6
There were some schools that took advantage of the voucher system to grow beyond what they were otherwise capable of becoming. In Baton Rouge, for example, Hosanna Christian had nearly half their student body using vouchers. In the more established private schools in the area there were fewer voucher students, so I don't think for the most part you will see any drastic effects from losing those kids.
Also, it appears that they are not going to do away with the vouchers. Currently a student can qualify if they are enrolled in a public school that has a C, D or F rating. Last I heard they were only thinking about taking C graded school out of that list so that only kids attending schools that are rated D or F will be eligible.
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Post by retired on Mar 2, 2016 10:51:35 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids. I disagree with most of what you say here, but on this we do agree.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 11:39:28 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids. I disagree with most of what you say here, but on this we do agree. Also the same reason for rushing in the Charter System (80% of which is also a joke). Jindal, probably more than any other single person, let directily to the friction between public and private schools. No private entitity stepped up and said this is destined for failure. Nearly all public schools said it would flop. Many privates, didnt accept the voucher students, but many did. Police thy own. The mantra that was dismissed to the point of our present situation.
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Post by pinion on Mar 2, 2016 12:05:24 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids. You don't like the voucher system because it takes money away from your beloved public schools. Just say it already. I have a neighbor that tells me frequently how much he hates private schools because "they take money from the neighborhood schools". Your take on Jindal though... I agree with most of what you said.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 13:25:03 GMT -6
Uh no. Here is the fact. The money travels with the child. Therefore, less kids mean less money. However, you have LESS kids also. It equals out!
"Money leaving the public system" has zero effect on any public school. The kid left also.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 13:27:26 GMT -6
The reason I "dont like the voucher system" if because school like New Living Word sprang up overnight, siphoning the athletes in the area using the Bible as vindication, All the while only actually caring only about ahthletic prowness.
I cant speak for this year, but last year, NLW had 28 students. 28 students played basketball.
Just ANOTHER example of the differences in Select vs Non Select
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Post by eag on Mar 2, 2016 16:23:42 GMT -6
The reason I "dont like the voucher system" if because school like New Living Word sprang up overnight, siphoning the athletes in the area using the Bible as vindication, All the while only actually caring only about ahthletic prowness. I cant speak for this year, but last year, NLW had 28 students. 28 students played basketball. Just ANOTHER example of the differences in Select vs Non Select That would be an example of a school that would need to be put under a microscope as far as transfer rules, etc. I doubt even the majority of private schools would object to that. I certainly do not. I just still fail to see why we need to separate out all the old-time private and catholic schools that have been stable for generations because of places like this.
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Post by BGH on Mar 2, 2016 16:48:45 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids. I am no Jindal fan either, but for different reasons than you. I think he was a phony conservative. In defense of Jindal, he was beating his head against the wall trying to make changes in this state. It is run by the same old corrupt power brokers who are not willing to give up any of their power. They change party affiliations like I change underwear. I like the school voucher concept. It gives parents choices in the education of their children. I would eventually like to see it used for every child. The money would go wherever the student goes, public or private. It will never happen, because the power brokers would lose control. They want you to get your education from them. They want you to get your health care from them. They want you to get your retirement from them. Control. Control. Control. The problem with vouchers is the the government thinks it is their money they are giving to you, and they will use it to coerce and control the people who use them and the schools that accept them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 8:42:31 GMT -6
The voucher system was a scam from the get. Instituted for no other reason than to hopefully give Jindal a platform on his now ridiculous presidential campaign. He tried to build his entire platform around "education reform" when in reality, everything he did (on near everything he did) as involved with education, was a sham, a joke, and detrimental to kids. I am no Jindal fan either, but for different reasons than you. I think he was a phony conservative. In defense of Jindal, he was beating his head against the wall trying to make changes in this state. It is run by the same old corrupt power brokers who are not willing to give up any of their power. They change party affiliations like I change underwear. I like the school voucher concept. It gives parents choices in the education of their children. I would eventually like to see it used for every child. The money would go wherever the student goes, public or private. It will never happen, because the power brokers would lose control. They want you to get your education from them. They want you to get your health care from them. They want you to get your retirement from them. Control. Control. Control. The problem with vouchers is the the government thinks it is their money they are giving to you, and they will use it to coerce and control the people who use them and the schools that accept them. Yeah, and Lee Harvey didnt do it.
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Post by BGH on Mar 3, 2016 13:00:06 GMT -6
Yeah, and Lee Harvey didnt do it. ?Do you have fever with those fits?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 13:15:06 GMT -6
A conspiracy theory is an explanatory or speculative hypothesis suggesting that two or more persons or an organization have conspired to cause or to cover up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation typically regarded as illegal or harmful.
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Post by BGH on Mar 3, 2016 16:24:12 GMT -6
A conspiracy theory is an explanatory or speculative hypothesis suggesting that two or more persons or an organization have conspired to cause or to cover up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an event or situation typically regarded as illegal or harmful. What conspiracy are you talking about? ??
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 4, 2016 8:18:02 GMT -6
No problem, particularly for the traditional schools. Most have not accepted vouchers to keep the state of their bidness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 11:20:38 GMT -6
And by traditional you mean Catholic, and I agree. It will however cramp the style of the "strip mall" private schools that popped up to siphon money and in some cases, basketball players.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Mar 5, 2016 4:55:58 GMT -6
The reason I "dont like the voucher system" if because school like New Living Word sprang up overnight, siphoning the athletes in the area using the Bible as vindication, All the while only actually caring only about ahthletic prowness. I cant speak for this year, but last year, NLW had 28 students. 28 students played basketball. Just ANOTHER example of the differences in Select vs Non Select It might surprise you but most private schools have issues with schools like NLW and would have zero objection with putting them under a microscope. Can't lump all private schools together in that regard as schools like that definitely don't represent the vast majority of private schools in this state.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 5, 2016 11:21:38 GMT -6
NLW and those like that should be dealt with... but why separate the real high schools in 4A and 5A along with them?
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Post by laprepfb on Mar 6, 2016 20:12:42 GMT -6
NLW and those like that should be dealt with... but why separate the real high schools in 4A and 5A along with them? Owl, I certainly appreciate that you are a public school person who is not completely in favor of the split. What I am getting somewhat tired of is how you constantly feel the need to belittle anyone who is not 4A or 5A, i.e. "real high schools", as if schools like Menard, Sacred Heart, E.D. White, Dunham, St. Louis, etc. are not "real" high schools. Below not directed to owl, but all... Also, as mentioned above, the vast majority of private schools do indeed have problems with the way some schools (New Living Word, Lafayette Christian, etc.) operate. New Living Word and Hanson Memorial have nothing in common, other than the fact they are both considered private, and, ergo, "select". The fact that public people continue to beat the hell out of this dead horse blows my mind. It's over. You've got your way. Go ahead and beat your chest about all those championships you'll be winning.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 7, 2016 3:17:23 GMT -6
NLW and those like that should be dealt with... but why separate the real high schools in 4A and 5A along with them? Owl, I certainly appreciate that you are a public school person who is not completely in favor of the split. What I am getting somewhat tired of is how you constantly feel the need to belittle anyone who is not 4A or 5A, i.e. "real high schools", as if schools like Menard, Sacred Heart, E.D. White, Dunham, St. Louis, etc. are not "real" high schools. Below not directed to owl, but all... Also, as mentioned above, the vast majority of private schools do indeed have problems with the way some schools (New Living Word, Lafayette Christian, etc.) operate. New Living Word and Hanson Memorial have nothing in common, other than the fact they are both considered private, and, ergo, "select". The fact that public people continue to beat the hell out of this dead horse blows my mind. It's over. You've got your way. Go ahead and beat your chest about all those championships you'll be winning. I just don't have experience rooting for or watching games with small schools... they could all leave, Public and private, and we'd go on without the problems they have with each other let me be honest with you though, if we didn't have a 50 year old rivalry with a school that might leave if they choose to, i'd be all for the split. the Catholic schools are on an unfair playing field with us and playing more select schools than anyone in the history of this state has had an effect on our athletic history and perception... some of the public school powerhouses out there, i'd like to have seen them play 7 Catholic schools a year for 20 years... But some won't stop beating that horse until the privates are gone completely... don't matter who they're playing, Curtis ain't Curtis bc they beat up on public schools. They're Curtis bc their players go to college and they run the veer, etc. they're not gonna stop getting kids because the program that attracts them will still be there. my point about the split that only I seem to make is that it doesn't make programs better. It doesn't block, tackle, or now shoot free throws or hit the cut-off man... we can call ourselves the state champions of St. Bernard Parish but it won't change who we are...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 11:54:56 GMT -6
Owl, I certainly appreciate that you are a public school person who is not completely in favor of the split. What I am getting somewhat tired of is how you constantly feel the need to belittle anyone who is not 4A or 5A, i.e. "real high schools", as if schools like Menard, Sacred Heart, E.D. White, Dunham, St. Louis, etc. are not "real" high schools. Below not directed to owl, but all... Also, as mentioned above, the vast majority of private schools do indeed have problems with the way some schools (New Living Word, Lafayette Christian, etc.) operate. New Living Word and Hanson Memorial have nothing in common, other than the fact they are both considered private, and, ergo, "select". The fact that public people continue to beat the hell out of this dead horse blows my mind. It's over. You've got your way. Go ahead and beat your chest about all those championships you'll be winning. I just don't have experience rooting for or watching games with small schools... they could all leave, Public and private, and we'd go on without the problems they have with each other let me be honest with you though, if we didn't have a 50 year old rivalry with a school that might leave if they choose to, i'd be all for the split. the Catholic schools are on an unfair playing field with us and playing more select schools than anyone in the history of this state has had an effect on our athletic history and perception... some of the public school powerhouses out there, i'd like to have seen them play 7 Catholic schools a year for 20 years... But some won't stop beating that horse until the privates are gone completely... don't matter who they're playing, Curtis ain't Curtis bc they beat up on public schools. They're Curtis bc their players go to college and they run the veer, etc. they're not gonna stop getting kids because the program that attracts them will still be there. my point about the split that only I seem to make is that it doesn't make programs better. It doesn't block, tackle, or now shoot free throws or hit the cut-off man... we can call ourselves the state champions of St. Bernard Parish but it won't change who we are... I agree 100%. Simple solution. Schedule everyone in the regular season, that you miss playing so much. Im sure they would love to play you.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 7, 2016 12:06:20 GMT -6
but if they leave, the rules say we can't... so screw the rules
though we could maybe just officially take a bye week... shoot we've been playing on week 3 for 13 years now. as far as the LHSAA is concerned our stadium is empty that night and the kids are home playing xbox...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:24:27 GMT -6
but if they leave, the rules say we can't... so screw the rules though we could maybe just officially take a bye week... shoot we've been playing on week 3 for 13 years now. as far as the LHSAA is concerned our stadium is empty that night and the kids are home playing xbox... "They" are going nowhere..........at least the ones who play by the rules will be going nowhere
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 14, 2016 8:05:29 GMT -6
And by traditional you mean Catholic, and I agree. It will however cramp the style of the "strip mall" private schools that popped up to siphon money and in some cases, basketball players. Not necessarily. By TRADITIONAL, I mean schools built on a tradition of academic excellence. The idea that people send their kids to school to play sports is a recipe for failure. The reason private schools are flourishing is not because the are athletic powerhouses, it is because they are "ACADEMIC" Powerhouses. Lafayette High always has yearned for the "ACADEMIC" success of STM. The athletic success follows when parents want more for their kids than the public schools in the area can offer. For example Lafayette Parish has as many private high schools as public. ST. Tammany has more public high schools that private. It is the success of the public schools in ST. Tammany that keeps it that way. Public schools, Comeaux (over croweded B+ School) Lafayette high (over croweded and only A school) Acadiana (C School), Carencro (D school) and Northside (in and out of failure) Private schools, STM, Teurlings, Lafayette Christian, First Baptist, and Ascension Episcopal. Plus two private schools just outside the parish that have high Lafayette Parish students enrolled, Westminster (Sunset/Opelousas) and Episcopal School of Acadiana in CADE.
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Post by retired on Mar 14, 2016 12:42:08 GMT -6
And by traditional you mean Catholic, and I agree. It will however cramp the style of the "strip mall" private schools that popped up to siphon money and in some cases, basketball players. Not necessarily. By TRADITIONAL, I mean schools built on a tradition of academic excellence. The idea that people send their kids to school to play sports is a recipe for failure. The reason private schools are flourishing is not because the are athletic powerhouses, it is because they are "ACADEMIC" Powerhouses. Lafayette High always has yearned for the "ACADEMIC" success of STM. The athletic success follows when parents want more for their kids than the public schools in the area can offer. For example Lafayette Parish has as many private high schools as public. ST. Tammany has more public high schools that private. It is the success of the public schools in ST. Tammany that keeps it that way. Public schools, Comeaux (over croweded B+ School) Lafayette high (over croweded and only A school) Acadiana (C School), Carencro (D school) and Northside (in and out of failure) Private schools, STM, Teurlings, Lafayette Christian, First Baptist, and Ascension Episcopal. Plus two private schools just outside the parish that have high Lafayette Parish students enrolled, Westminster (Sunset/Opelousas) and Episcopal School of Acadiana in CADE. Here is the issue though, most private schools aren't academic "powerhouses". You bring up St. Tammany Public schools, and they help bolster that point. They are the "best" (highest rated) large enrollment public school district in the state, but that is not because of what they do but rather WHO makes up the schools. The median household income in St. Tammany is just about $60,000, 3rd highest parish in the state, with 100,000+ more citizens. Within St. Tammany however, there is division. Median income in Mandeville is over $70,000. They have an "A" rated learning community. They also have a very geneous learning community. Covington and Slidell are a bit more complex, with larger pockets of poverty influencing their learning communities. Bottom line, in schools where the median family income is high, schools do well. In schools where free and reduced numbers are high, schools "perform" (based on standardized test result) worse. Bricks and mortar and teachers don't make the school. The students do.
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Post by btown on Mar 14, 2016 14:20:30 GMT -6
Not necessarily. By TRADITIONAL, I mean schools built on a tradition of academic excellence. The idea that people send their kids to school to play sports is a recipe for failure. The reason private schools are flourishing is not because the are athletic powerhouses, it is because they are "ACADEMIC" Powerhouses. Lafayette High always has yearned for the "ACADEMIC" success of STM. The athletic success follows when parents want more for their kids than the public schools in the area can offer. For example Lafayette Parish has as many private high schools as public. ST. Tammany has more public high schools that private. It is the success of the public schools in ST. Tammany that keeps it that way. Public schools, Comeaux (over croweded B+ School) Lafayette high (over croweded and only A school) Acadiana (C School), Carencro (D school) and Northside (in and out of failure) Private schools, STM, Teurlings, Lafayette Christian, First Baptist, and Ascension Episcopal. Plus two private schools just outside the parish that have high Lafayette Parish students enrolled, Westminster (Sunset/Opelousas) and Episcopal School of Acadiana in CADE. Here is the issue though, most private schools aren't academic "powerhouses". You bring up St. Tammany Public schools, and they help bolster that point. They are the "best" (highest rated) large enrollment public school district in the state, but that is not because of what they do but rather WHO makes up the schools. The median household income in St. Tammany is just about $60,000, 3rd highest parish in the state, with 100,000+ more citizens. Within St. Tammany however, there is division. Median income in Mandeville is over $70,000. They have an "A" rated learning community. They also have a very geneous learning community. Covington and Slidell are a bit more complex, with larger pockets of poverty influencing their learning communities. Bottom line, in schools where the median family income is high, schools do well. In schools where free and reduced numbers are high, schools "perform" (based on standardized test result) worse. Bricks and mortar and teachers don't make the school. The students do. The parents make the school more than the kid. My wife teaches in a poor community, but in a parish that has high standards. Her job is easy when it comes to kids with active parents, whether rich or poor, but harder with kids who have not parent involvement. I fate to say it but normally those kids with no family support are poor families.
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