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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 8:37:55 GMT -6
Fast Eddies threat has been defeated. He now has no leverage. His only hope it to now crow about how he help defeat the bill. Watch for this to happen. Make no mistake, the biggest divider that LHSAA has ever had sits in Baton Rouge like a king, shouting out orders to a building full of people who do not like, trust, or want him around.
Now is the time to get someone who REALLY wants to do what is best for the organization.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 27, 2016 8:44:25 GMT -6
Fast Eddies threat has been defeated. He now has no leverage. His only hope it to now crow about how he help defeat the bill. Watch for this to happen. Make no mistake, the biggest divider that LHSAA has ever had sits in Baton Rouge like a king, shouting out orders to a building full of people who do not like, trust, or want him around. Now is the time to get someone who REALLY wants to do what is best for the organization. Is there a consensus of principals or exec committee that would vote him out? IDK, that is why I'm asking. Don't know if he is good or bad but haven't seen anyone on here defending him but he got a pretty good job evaluation by the exec committee so they must like something he is doing.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 27, 2016 8:56:50 GMT -6
What BigBob really is saying: We want a Commissioner who will do what only the public schools want him to do. Someone who will cower under the pressure of the public school principals no matter the results. Someone who will force the Private schools out of the LHSAA. After all that is the ultimate goal of Big Bob and most of the principals in North Louisiana who have pushed this agenda. Get rid of the private schools even if it destroys the LHSAA. The threat is still not over bob. Depends on how the private schools want to play going forward. I expect a class action suit against the LHSAA who is clearly discriminating against its membership. $$$$$........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:06:49 GMT -6
What BigBob really is saying: We want a Commissioner who will do what only the public schools want him to do. Someone who will cower under the pressure of the public school principals no matter the results. Someone who will force the Private schools out of the LHSAA. After all that is the ultimate goal of Big Bob and most of the principals in North Louisiana who have pushed this agenda. Get rid of the private schools even if it destroys the LHSAA. The threat is still not over bob. Depends on how the private schools want to play going forward. I expect a class action suit against the LHSAA who is clearly discriminating against its membership. $$$$$........ You can expect in one hand, and crap in the other...............them look and see whats in your hands. No one is forcing anyone anywhere. Changes in playoff classifications was voted in mulitiple times. The folks who dont like it or whining. Nothing more is or has happened. There is no discrimination anywhere, but that is a very like thing to say, which is expected by the likes of folks who are used to getting their way. Another association, maybe, probable, but like the old gf that threatned to leave you ten thousand times...............just go. Dont let the door hit you in the rear. Bottom line is there will still be football on friday nights, still be playoffs, still be competition, and just because the select sector no longer can force the issue of who they "get to play" is diminishing by the minute, wont change that.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:08:44 GMT -6
What BigBob really is saying: We want a Commissioner who will do what only the public schools want him to do. Someone who will cower under the pressure of the public school principals no matter the results. Someone who will force the Private schools out of the LHSAA. After all that is the ultimate goal of Big Bob and most of the principals in North Louisiana who have pushed this agenda. Get rid of the private schools even if it destroys the LHSAA. The threat is still not over bob. Depends on how the private schools want to play going forward. I expect a class action suit against the LHSAA who is clearly discriminating against its membership. $$$$$........ Discriminate-transitive verb to treat one person or group worse than others or better than others, usually because of a prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender. How is any group being treated worse than the other? 1. They cannot play each other in playoff that is not treating some group worse. 2. Different weekends for playoffs that is not treating some group worse. 3. Is any team denied a chance to play in playoffs, you win and get a high enough power ranking you get to play, so no. What is worse for any group in the LHSAA?
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Post by Raven on Apr 27, 2016 9:26:27 GMT -6
What BigBob really is saying: We want a Commissioner who will do what only the public schools want him to do. Someone who will cower under the pressure of the public school principals no matter the results. Someone who will force the Private schools out of the LHSAA. After all that is the ultimate goal of Big Bob and most of the principals in North Louisiana who have pushed this agenda. Get rid of the private schools even if it destroys the LHSAA. The threat is still not over bob. Depends on how the private schools want to play going forward. I expect a class action suit against the LHSAA who is clearly discriminating against its membership. $$$$$........ Discriminate-transitive verb to treat one person or group worse than others or better than others, usually because of a prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender. How is any group being treated worse than the other? 1. They cannot play each other in playoff that is not treating some group worse. Yes, it is. private schools are being prevented from competing in the playoffs in which they are classified. They are given an Alternate playoff bracket. Separate but equal. That has already been determined to be a form of discrimination.
2. Different weekends for playoffs that is not treating some group worse. On the surface, no it is not. But it does go back to point number one. Group A not wanting anything to do with group B.
3. Is any team denied a chance to play in playoffs, you win and get a high enough power ranking you get to play, so no. Again, taken in this context you are correct. I would agree IF each school was eligible for the same playoffs within it's classification. The split playoffs does not re-classify schools, it keeps them in the same classification, but only separates them when it's time to win championships.What is worse for any group in the LHSAA? It's worse for all of the LHSAA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:28:42 GMT -6
Discriminate-transitive verb to treat one person or group worse than others or better than others, usually because of a prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender. How is any group being treated worse than the other? 1. They cannot play each other in playoff that is not treating some group worse. Yes, it is. private schools are being prevented from competing in the playoffs in which they are classified. They are given an Alternate playoff bracket. Separate but equal. That has already been determined to be a form of discrimination.
2. Different weekends for playoffs that is not treating some group worse. On the surface, no it is not. But it does go back to point number one. Group A not wanting anything to do with group B.
3. Is any team denied a chance to play in playoffs, you win and get a high enough power ranking you get to play, so no. Again, taken in this context you are correct. I would agree IF each school was eligible for the same playoffs within it's classification. The split playoffs does not re-classify schools, it keeps them in the same classification, but only separates them when it's time to win championships.What is worse for any group in the LHSAA? It's worse for all of the LHSAA.
Once again, comparing this to the civil rights movement. What a joke. Move on man, its over.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:33:32 GMT -6
Discriminate-transitive verb to treat one person or group worse than others or better than others, usually because of a prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender. How is any group being treated worse than the other? 1. They cannot play each other in playoff that is not treating some group worse. Yes, it is. private schools are being prevented from competing in the playoffs in which they are classified. They are given an Alternate playoff bracket. Separate but equal. That has already been determined to be a form of discrimination.
2. Different weekends for playoffs that is not treating some group worse. On the surface, no it is not. But it does go back to point number one. Group A not wanting anything to do with group B.
3. Is any team denied a chance to play in playoffs, you win and get a high enough power ranking you get to play, so no. Again, taken in this context you are correct. I would agree IF each school was eligible for the same playoffs within it's classification. The split playoffs does not re-classify schools, it keeps them in the same classification, but only separates them when it's time to win championships.What is worse for any group in the LHSAA? It's worse for all of the LHSAA.
BUT HOW IS IT WORSE? You have not told me how it is worse. You told me why it is different.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 27, 2016 9:44:02 GMT -6
Fast Eddies threat has been defeated. He now has no leverage. His only hope it to now crow about how he help defeat the bill. Watch for this to happen. Make no mistake, the biggest divider that LHSAA has ever had sits in Baton Rouge like a king, shouting out orders to a building full of people who do not like, trust, or want him around. Now is the time to get someone who REALLY wants to do what is best for the organization. Is there a consensus of principals or exec committee that would vote him out? IDK, that is why I'm asking. Don't know if he is good or bad but haven't seen anyone on here defending him but he got a pretty good job evaluation by the exec committee so they must like something he is doing. Can someone answer my question above please, I'm really interested in how principals feel about commissioner
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 27, 2016 9:45:22 GMT -6
It is worst because the private schools, members in good standing of the LHSAA are not allowed to play for the championships in which they are classified. They are discriminated against and have been forced by the majority (thus discrimination and tyranny) into a division that is a consolation outside of the Class championship. The LHSAA only has one state champion per class. It is worst because they are forced to play fewer playoff games than their same classification public schools and those have less exposure to media. They are segregated out in a Division Championship on a seperate weekend. That is not equal and is not part of the true state championship series. More of a Consolation bracket game played before the so called main event the next weekend. The Civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's does not own sole possession of the right of recourse against discrimination, morally, ethically or legally.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:51:40 GMT -6
It is worst because the private schools, members in good standing of the LHSAA are not allowed to play for the championships in which they are classified. They are discriminated against and have been forced by the majority (thus discrimination and tyranny) into a division that is a consolation outside of the Class championship. The LHSAA only has one state champion per class. It is worst because they are forced to play fewer playoff games than their same classification public schools and those have less exposure to media. They are segregated out in a Division Championship on a seperate weekend. That is not equal and is not part of the true state championship series. More of a Consolation bracket game played before the so called main event the next weekend. The Civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's does not own sole possession of the right of recourse against discrimination, morally, ethically or legally. Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 27, 2016 10:34:18 GMT -6
It is worst because the private schools, members in good standing of the LHSAA are not allowed to play for the championships in which they are classified. They are discriminated against and have been forced by the majority (thus discrimination and tyranny) into a division that is a consolation outside of the Class championship. The LHSAA only has one state champion per class. It is worst because they are forced to play fewer playoff games than their same classification public schools and those have less exposure to media. They are segregated out in a Division Championship on a seperate weekend. That is not equal and is not part of the true state championship series. More of a Consolation bracket game played before the so called main event the next weekend. The Civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's does not own sole possession of the right of recourse against discrimination, morally, ethically or legally. Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. I can drag a mule to the water, but cannot force him to drink. btown, it is no longer about who is better, nor has it ever been about who is better. Some years in the past there have been only one private champion. (before the split.) In fact the number of championships before the split and before the forced play in class, was almost exactly split by the ratio of member institutions. 60% public school championships with 30% private school championships, you can look it up. If you look at John Curtis's championships they were routinely defeated by 4A schools both public and private and have not won a state championship since their return to a higher classification, neither has e. The fact that they do a great job of marketing their program has given them a certain level of success that only W. Monroe has previously attained in years past. e, threatened W. Monroe's dominance, so they had to be done away with. The discriminating treatment comes in the how the split was done against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA and the vitriol of the public school principals against the private schools based on distortion and lies. You can deny that something exists, your mind will not be changed until it bites you on your backside. There is a thread titled Perception is 100% reality. The reality is that the LHSAA has allowed one group (public schools) the majority (tyranny) to be cast out from the state championships part of the membership. This speaks to basic injustice. If you cannot see that, there is no hope of ever convincing you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 10:43:15 GMT -6
Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. I can drag a mule to the water, but cannot force him to drink. btown, it is no longer about who is better, nor has it ever been about who is better. Some years in the past there have been only one private champion. (before the split.) In fact the number of championships before the split and before the forced play in class, was almost exactly split by the ratio of member institutions. 60% public school championships with 30% private school championships, you can look it up. If you look at John Curtis's championships they were routinely defeated by 4A schools both public and private and have not won a state championship since their return to a higher classification, neither has e. The fact that they do a great job of marketing their program has given them a certain level of success that only W. Monroe has previously attained in years past. e, threatened W. Monroe's dominance, so they had to be done away with. The discriminating treatment comes in the how the split was done against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA and the vitriol of the public school principals against the private schools based on distortion and lies. You can deny that something exists, your mind will not be changed until it bites you on your backside. There is a thread titled Perception is 100% reality. The reality is that the LHSAA has allowed one group (public schools) the majority (tyranny) to be cast out from the state championships part of the membership. This speaks to basic injustice. If you cannot see that, there is no hope of ever convincing you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 10:45:56 GMT -6
You can also be incorrect. There is no discrimination. Rhetoric used by every group in American History that didnt get their way. The ONLY thing that has changed is that now kids who previously were transferring and attending select schools for athletic purposes, are not doing so as readily.
Stop the whining man. Compete vs schools who attain, deny, and retain students in the same manner. It works in the NCAA model, it will work in the high school model as well.
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Post by Raven on Apr 27, 2016 11:14:33 GMT -6
How can someone quantify better or worse when dealing with another person's opinions? Was the LHSAA better or worse when they allowed the former Louisiana Interscholastic Athletic and Literary Organization (LIALO) schools into the organization? I'm sure there were some people who thought it was worse. Others thought it was better. The real question is whether or not it was right. A parallel can be drawn with the current split playoffs. Are the playoffs better or worse when not allowing select schools to participate? Split supporters argue it is better. Opponents argue it is worse. Again, the real question is whether or not it is right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 11:17:59 GMT -6
How can someone quantify better or worse when dealing with another person's opinions? Was the LHSAA better or worse when they allowed the former Louisiana Interscholastic Athletic and Literary Organization (LIALO) schools into the organization? I'm sure there were some people who thought it was worse. Others thought it was better. The real question is whether or not it was right. A parallel can be drawn with the current split playoffs. Are the playoffs better or worse when not allowing select schools to participate? Split supporters argue it is better. Opponents argue it is worse. Again, the real question is whether or not it is right. I agree. I for one, think it is right, and overdue. Over 30 states across the country are HEAVILY leaning that way as well. GET ON THE TRUMP TRAIN BOYS!!!!
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 27, 2016 11:56:37 GMT -6
It is worst because the private schools, members in good standing of the LHSAA are not allowed to play for the championships in which they are classified. They are discriminated against and have been forced by the majority (thus discrimination and tyranny) into a division that is a consolation outside of the Class championship. The LHSAA only has one state champion per class. It is worst because they are forced to play fewer playoff games than their same classification public schools and those have less exposure to media. They are segregated out in a Division Championship on a seperate weekend. That is not equal and is not part of the true state championship series. More of a Consolation bracket game played before the so called main event the next weekend. The Civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's does not own sole possession of the right of recourse against discrimination, morally, ethically or legally. Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. thank you you just said what has been being danced around for three years
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 27, 2016 12:00:09 GMT -6
How can someone quantify better or worse when dealing with another person's opinions? Was the LHSAA better or worse when they allowed the former Louisiana Interscholastic Athletic and Literary Organization (LIALO) schools into the organization? I'm sure there were some people who thought it was worse. Others thought it was better. The real question is whether or not it was right. A parallel can be drawn with the current split playoffs. Are the playoffs better or worse when not allowing select schools to participate? Split supporters argue it is better. Opponents argue it is worse. Again, the real question is whether or not it is right. I agree. I for one, think it is right, and overdue. Over 30 states across the country are HEAVILY leaning that way as well. GET ON THE TRUMP TRAIN BOYS!!!! yeah a week ago you were definitely all in for Hillary... this country will elect Trump bc of things like the split and people like you
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 12:13:30 GMT -6
Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. I can drag a mule to the water, but cannot force him to drink. btown, it is no longer about who is better, nor has it ever been about who is better. Some years in the past there have been only one private champion. (before the split.) In fact the number of championships before the split and before the forced play in class, was almost exactly split by the ratio of member institutions. 60% public school championships with 30% private school championships, you can look it up. If you look at John Curtis's championships they were routinely defeated by 4A schools both public and private and have not won a state championship since their return to a higher classification, neither has e. The fact that they do a great job of marketing their program has given them a certain level of success that only W. Monroe has previously attained in years past. e, threatened W. Monroe's dominance, so they had to be done away with. The discriminating treatment comes in the how the split was done against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA and the vitriol of the public school principals against the private schools based on distortion and lies. You can deny that something exists, your mind will not be changed until it bites you on your backside. There is a thread titled Perception is 100% reality. The reality is that the LHSAA has allowed one group (public schools) the majority (tyranny) to be cast out from the state championships part of the membership. This speaks to basic injustice. If you cannot see that, there is no hope of ever convincing you. Then no hope, I like the split and look forward to seeing how the principals improve on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:44:35 GMT -6
I agree. I for one, think it is right, and overdue. Over 30 states across the country are HEAVILY leaning that way as well. GET ON THE TRUMP TRAIN BOYS!!!! yeah a week ago you were definitely all in for Hillary... this country will elect Trump bc of things like the split and people like you I was for Hillary? Geez guy..........learn about sarcasm.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 13:34:09 GMT -6
It is worst because the private schools, members in good standing of the LHSAA are not allowed to play for the championships in which they are classified. They are discriminated against and have been forced by the majority (thus discrimination and tyranny) into a division that is a consolation outside of the Class championship. The LHSAA only has one state champion per class. It is worst because they are forced to play fewer playoff games than their same classification public schools and those have less exposure to media. They are segregated out in a Division Championship on a seperate weekend. That is not equal and is not part of the true state championship series. More of a Consolation bracket game played before the so called main event the next weekend. The Civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's does not own sole possession of the right of recourse against discrimination, morally, ethically or legally. Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. btown I know you like the split, but what you are saying is that the split is only because the public principals believe "that the private schools are the better programs". Then the public principals should also vote that they don't want to play them in the regular season, they should just "split" them from the LHSAA. If this is the reason for the split then nothing anyone comes up with is ever going to get the association back together, even if it's a better idea. The majority should just vote not to allow the "better programs" to renew their membership and make them find another association to take them in.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 13:53:51 GMT -6
Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. btown I know you like the split, but what you are saying is that the split is only because the public principals believe "that the private schools are the better programs". Then the public principals should also vote that they don't want to play them in the regular season, they should just "split" them from the LHSAA. If this is the reason for the split then nothing anyone comes up with is ever going to get the association back together, even if it's a better idea. The majority should just vote not to allow the "better programs" to renew their membership and make them find another association to take them in. No one ever not allowed in or voted out, that is discrimination.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 27, 2016 13:56:32 GMT -6
Still do not see what is worse. I see you may not like it. The vote said the majority ageed that the private schools are the better programs and should play each other in the playoffs. I will like to see someone sale that as being treated worse. btown I know you like the split, but what you are saying is that the split is only because the public principals believe "that the private schools are the better programs". Then the public principals should also vote that they don't want to play them in the regular season, they should just "split" them from the LHSAA. If this is the reason for the split then nothing anyone comes up with is ever going to get the association back together, even if it's a better idea. The majority should just vote not to allow the "better programs" to renew their membership and make them find another association to take them in. will never happen... i still want us to play our rivals... that great Chalmette-Curtis baseball game Monday? The principals didn't want it to happen. I should have paid for some tickets and brought some of those principals there lol... they could then see what they voted against. had the split been in place, they play somebody different, and who knows, maybe beat them and end up winning a state title? but now we know they won't. but that body won't stay static forever. there is a lot of turnover in their ranks. we should figure out what in their education and training gives them their worldview. are they just the type of people who seek those jobs? it's a long game. Conservatives who aren't ate up by a sense of fairness are at a disadvantage in becoming the leadership in our schools, and this is one consequence. there will be more if the educators in this state are out of touch with the population, because if they're doing this, what else are they doing with our kids? you want to make things better? Leave them alone. Monday, we did the right thing and beat Curtis on the field, rather than making the rules. I wish more schools would do the same.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 14:00:31 GMT -6
Just like hunting clubs I have been in. They had vote me in, I had to follow the majorities rules and when I disagreed with the direction of the hunting club was going I went and found me one the I agreed with.
The schools that don't like split go start themselves a new league. If LHSAA falls on it face you can so you told us so. That is the only option I see for schools that just cannot stand the split.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 14:29:21 GMT -6
Just like hunting clubs I have been in. They had vote me in, I had to follow the majorities rules and when I disagreed with the direction of the hunting club was going I went and found me one the I agreed with. The schools that don't like split go start themselves a new league. If LHSAA falls on it face you can so you told us so. That is the only option I see for schools that just cannot stand the split. I don't like the split because I think there are better ways to get the results that some split supporters are looking for. I think your reason for the split is not enforcing the rules for some time, even with enforcement not everyone is going to believe it. Therefore I think something like the Indiana model, on "the fix is right in front of us" thread could be something could work. It may not be perfect, but it can be a starting point for cooler heads/principals to be able to tweak to get the association back together.
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Post by eag on Apr 27, 2016 16:01:15 GMT -6
Just like hunting clubs I have been in. They had vote me in, I had to follow the majorities rules and when I disagreed with the direction of the hunting club was going I went and found me one the I agreed with. The schools that don't like split go start themselves a new league. If LHSAA falls on it face you can so you told us so. That is the only option I see for schools that just cannot stand the split. Hunting clubs vote and rule on behaviors, so I agree with you there. Sanction behaviors. This would be like if there was only 1 club in all the state and they said that black members (for instance) could only hunt from 11am until 3 pm. Not enough such members to ever overturn the vote. Not how it is supposed to work. Would totally agree if there were criteria to separate a school that had to do with that schools behavior. As it is now, it appears the only criteria is if you charge tuition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 19:34:51 GMT -6
I see the Indiana success factor talked about. I personally don't like it. The majority of the states use a multiplier. We would be the only state in the union with a rural/ metro plan. We have 4.5 million residents in Louisiana . Los Angeles California has 3.5 million residents! We don't have a large enough population base to have rural/metro. It's not a rural/metro problem. Look at a fair multiplier and go with it. See Alabama. Effective immediately, all students who do not live in their school district is ineligible to participate in athletics. They must go to their correct attendance zone to be eligible. Students attend school to receive an education first and foremost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 19:35:58 GMT -6
I see the Indiana success factor talked about. I personally don't like it. The majority of the states use a multiplier. We would be the only state in the union with a rural/ metro plan. We have 4.5 million residents in Louisiana . Los Angeles California has 3.5 million residents! We don't have a large enough population base to have rural/metro. It's not a rural/metro problem. Look at a fair multiplier and go with it. See Alabama. Effective immediately, all students who do not live in their school district is ineligible to participate in athletics. They must go to their correct attendance zone to be eligible. Students attend school to receive an education first and foremost. [br These are my 2 proposals.
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