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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 9:23:14 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together.
Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked.
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Post by gentsandpios on May 3, 2016 9:30:14 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE I think this could be a good compromise Bob
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Post by Griffinfan on May 3, 2016 9:50:31 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE I like this!!
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Post by laprepfb on May 3, 2016 9:52:52 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE Why split 4A? There are only four select schools: STM, TC, VC, St. Michael
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 3, 2016 10:12:54 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE Why split 4A? There are only four select schools: STM, TC, VC, St. Michael Caddo Magnet, St. Scholastica, Cabrini, Ursuline, Ben Franklin, Academy of Our Lady... i'd just move all the 4A selects to 5A
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Post by iknownuthing on May 3, 2016 10:18:35 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE Why split 4A? There are only four select schools: STM, TC, VC, St. Michael There are only actually 5 football playing "select" schools in 4A. There are also: Academy of Our Lady, Cabrini , Caddo Magnet, Carver Collegiate, St. Scholastica, Ursuline, and Vandebilt Catholic which plays football. The reason bbjm wants to split 4A is because he feels without the split his team cannot compete. Unless its Many or Neville, they probably can't compete with the split either. It has nothing to do with fairness nor inherent advantage. None of the 4A select schools have won a state championship in the last 30 years. It is punishment to try and force all private schools out of 4A, 2A, B and C or out of the LHSAA completely. Having said that, I would be ok with every other class being split, IF and only IF, it included a performance factor similar to Indiana for ALL schools by sport with annual reclass and rescheduling. If you can win back to back state championships in your class (like Kaplan Public High School Softball) you must have an inherent advantage over everyone else, so up you must go for at least the next 2 to 4 years. All of this is moot anyway. In June, if the have a special session at all, the public school principals will stick another finger in the eye of the private schools and tell them, go ahead and leave. Which they will this time.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:30:33 GMT -6
Why split 4A? There are only four select schools: STM, TC, VC, St. Michael There are only actually 5 football playing "select" schools in 4A. There are also: Academy of Our Lady, Cabrini , Caddo Magnet, Carver Collegiate, St. Scholastica, Ursuline, and Vandebilt Catholic which plays football. The reason bbjm wants to split 4A is because he feels without the split his team cannot compete. Unless its Many or Neville, they probably can't compete with the split either. It has nothing to do with fairness nor inherent advantage. None of the 4A select schools have won a state championship in the last 30 years. It is punishment to try and force all private schools out of 4A, 2A, B and C or out of the LHSAA completely. Having said that, I would be ok with every other class being split, IF and only IF, it included a performance factor similar to Indiana for ALL schools by sport with annual reclass and rescheduling. If you can win back to back state championships in your class (like Kaplan Public High School Softball) you must have an inherent advantage over everyone else, so up you must go for at least the next 2 to 4 years. All of this is moot anyway. In June, if the have a special session at all, the public school principals will stick another finger in the eye of the private schools and tell them, go ahead and leave. Which they will this time. Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat.
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Post by pinion on May 3, 2016 10:48:50 GMT -6
There are only actually 5 football playing "select" schools in 4A. There are also: Academy of Our Lady, Cabrini , Caddo Magnet, Carver Collegiate, St. Scholastica, Ursuline, and Vandebilt Catholic which plays football. The reason bbjm wants to split 4A is because he feels without the split his team cannot compete. Unless its Many or Neville, they probably can't compete with the split either. It has nothing to do with fairness nor inherent advantage. None of the 4A select schools have won a state championship in the last 30 years. It is punishment to try and force all private schools out of 4A, 2A, B and C or out of the LHSAA completely. Having said that, I would be ok with every other class being split, IF and only IF, it included a performance factor similar to Indiana for ALL schools by sport with annual reclass and rescheduling. If you can win back to back state championships in your class (like Kaplan Public High School Softball) you must have an inherent advantage over everyone else, so up you must go for at least the next 2 to 4 years. All of this is moot anyway. In June, if the have a special session at all, the public school principals will stick another finger in the eye of the private schools and tell them, go ahead and leave. Which they will this time. Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat. According to the fella from Many that pushed so hard (this last time) for the split, the reason for it is because he believes (with no doubt) that private schools cheat and recruit. So, while you say the issue is how athletes end up at certain schools, your own side of the fence does not agree with you. Outside of that, I like any idea that brings some sort of normalcy back to sports and your idea is worth a look.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -6
Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat. According to the fella from Many that pushed so hard (this last time) for the split, the reason for it is because he believes (with no doubt) that private schools cheat and recruit. So, while you say the issue is how athletes end up at certain schools, your own side of the fence does not agree with you. Outside of that, I like any idea that brings some sort of normalcy back to sports and your idea is worth a look. The "fellow from Many" has never uttered the words "cheat and recruit". What he has says is "its not the same". Guess what, its not.
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Post by eag on May 3, 2016 11:24:52 GMT -6
5A- Together 4A- Split in all sports 3A- Together 2A- Split in all sports 1A- Together B- Split in all Sports C- Together. Everyone plays in their assigned classification, if they dont like their assigned classification rules (split or not) they can play up to the next higher class, no questions asked. DONE Has merit, for sure. Kind of allows schools to sort themselves. I'd still think it was better if there was an objective criteria to assign class( under this system, for instance, JC could play in unified 3A and no one could make them move any higher), but I like it way better than what we have now.
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Post by OICU812 on May 3, 2016 11:29:41 GMT -6
Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat. According to the fella from Many that pushed so hard (this last time) for the split, the reason for it is because he believes (with no doubt) that private schools cheat and recruit. So, while you say the issue is how athletes end up at certain schools, your own side of the fence does not agree with you. Outside of that, I like any idea that brings some sort of normalcy back to sports and your idea is worth a look. Please show us some proof that the 'fella" from Many said privates recruit and cheat. I can promise that was never said!!
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Post by iknownuthing on May 3, 2016 11:44:24 GMT -6
There are only actually 5 football playing "select" schools in 4A. There are also: Academy of Our Lady, Cabrini , Caddo Magnet, Carver Collegiate, St. Scholastica, Ursuline, and Vandebilt Catholic which plays football. The reason bbjm wants to split 4A is because he feels without the split his team cannot compete. Unless its Many or Neville, they probably can't compete with the split either. It has nothing to do with fairness nor inherent advantage. None of the 4A select schools have won a state championship in the last 30 years. It is punishment to try and force all private schools out of 4A, 2A, B and C or out of the LHSAA completely. Having said that, I would be ok with every other class being split, IF and only IF, it included a performance factor similar to Indiana for ALL schools by sport with annual reclass and rescheduling. If you can win back to back state championships in your class (like Kaplan Public High School Softball) you must have an inherent advantage over everyone else, so up you must go for at least the next 2 to 4 years. All of this is moot anyway. In June, if the have a special session at all, the public school principals will stick another finger in the eye of the private schools and tell them, go ahead and leave. Which they will this time. Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat. No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing.
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Post by indy on May 3, 2016 11:51:31 GMT -6
Winning is not now not never has been the issue. The issue is HOW the athletes are aquired in order to win! My guess would be Kaplan is extremely well coached and has a nice run of players at present, but honestly, I dont know. Haynesville is an example of an area where the coaching is good, steady, and genetics in the area are certainly more than adequate. Yet, you never hear anyone complain about them being cheaters.........or recruiting on a multi parish basis, or denying enrollment to anyone! Your high horse has already ran away my friend. No one believes, no one listens, and you are only cutting your own throat. No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing. I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration
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Post by OICU812 on May 3, 2016 11:55:18 GMT -6
Exactly when did Many get caught with any egregious violations of the eligibility rule??
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:34:29 GMT -6
No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing. I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration lol...................done!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:36:16 GMT -6
No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing. I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration No one is throwing away anything. Here is your problem. Even though your school has an inherent advantage like all select schools do, you guys do a poor job of using the advantage. Probably have a principal who keeps your ears pinned and doesnt allow the blatent breaking of the spirit of fair play that others do. My suggestion, get a more athletic friendly principal, coach harder, and SPLIT NOW!!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:42:07 GMT -6
No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing. I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration And,you are correct. How a private school aquires its student body is not my business, EXCEPT in the the fact that public schools admission standards are public, state, and federal law. Private schools are not as nearly as encumbered by said laws, and I think thats a good thing! However, that does not change the fact, that by the very defintion of what makes a Select school "select", the way these schools and those in the public sector AQUIRE, RETAIN, AND DENY enrollment is reason enough to seperate in all facets of competition. Make no mistake, no one in public schools cares how you guys run your school. All we are saying is, WE DO NOT WANT TO PLAY YOU. That alone is enough for you guys to move on. Form you own league, do whats best for your students. SPLIT NOW!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:45:28 GMT -6
Simple question STM, when was the last time STM had a losing season in football? What year?
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Post by indy on May 3, 2016 12:52:12 GMT -6
Simple question STM, when was the last time STM had a losing season in football? What year? Not sure, maybe never. How about Haynesville? Nevelle? Not sure that's a public/private issue. When was the last time Sacret Heart had a winning season. Not sure that's a public/ private issue either.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:56:09 GMT -6
Simple question STM, when was the last time STM had a losing season in football? What year? Not sure, maybe never. How about Haynesville? Nevelle? Not sure that's a public/private issue. When was the last time Sacret Heart had a winning season. Not sure that's a public/ private issue either. Haynesville and Neville have had up and down years. Check the record books. 100% public private issue. Attain, deny, retain enrollment. If you cant win with those 3 things stacked in your corner, either you dont care, dont know how, or dont have a brain.
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Post by indy on May 3, 2016 12:58:38 GMT -6
Not sure, maybe never. How about Haynesville? Nevelle? Not sure that's a public/private issue. When was the last time Sacret Heart had a winning season. Not sure that's a public/ private issue either. Haynesville and Neville have had up and down years. Check the record books. 100% public private issue. Attain, deny, retain enrollment. If you cant win with those 3 things stacked in your corner, either you dont care, dont know how, or dont have a brain. I have a brain and balls, you obviously don't
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Post by gentsandpios on May 3, 2016 13:09:48 GMT -6
Not sure, maybe never. How about Haynesville? Nevelle? Not sure that's a public/private issue. When was the last time Sacret Heart had a winning season. Not sure that's a public/ private issue either. Haynesville and Neville have had up and down years. Check the record books. 100% public private issue. Attain, deny, retain enrollment. If you cant win with those 3 things stacked in your corner, either you dont care, dont know how, or dont have a brain. Haynesville has 14 State titles and I don't see any losing seasons in last 15 years or so. How is that up and down?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 9:45:46 GMT -6
Haynesville and Neville have had up and down years. Check the record books. 100% public private issue. Attain, deny, retain enrollment. If you cant win with those 3 things stacked in your corner, either you dont care, dont know how, or dont have a brain. Haynesville has 14 State titles and I don't see any losing seasons in last 15 years or so. How is that up and down? 14 state titles in how many years? Great coaching, longevity in system, great area for football. Sometimes, rarely, that happens. Next question, who accused them of cheating? How many kids do they have NOT from their parish?
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Post by eag on May 5, 2016 10:15:57 GMT -6
I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration No one is throwing away anything. Here is your problem. Even though your school has an inherent advantage like all select schools do, you guys do a poor job of using the advantage. Probably have a principal who keeps your ears pinned and doesnt allow the blatent breaking of the spirit of fair play that others do. My suggestion, get a more athletic friendly principal, coach harder, and SPLIT NOW!!Here is the crux of the problem, summarized perfectly. There is a faction out there who absolutely cannot see how a school could consider athletics an ADJUNCT to the main function of a school. They cannot see how ANY school would fail to use any and all options at its disposal to maximize ATHLETIC success. They see schools as support systems for athletic teams. If these people are in private school ranks and running a school, they tend to be successful well beyond what would be expected. If they are in the public ranks, they can see nothing but the potential for advantage and they cannot possibly believe that a school could have that possibility and simply not consider it important. No way in hell would THEY not use it. So, they support the split. The above statement by Bigbob indicates that he believes that the private schools who arnt seeking athletes are actually DOING IT WRONG!!!!! That the goal of such a school should be to get as good as the athletic powerhouses over and above any other goal. He can't believe that any school that COULD recruit athletes or "deny enrollment" to kids based on 40 times just isn't paying a lot of attention to that. They see themselves as a school, that offers extracurricular activites that the student body can take part in if they wish. If you truly do not believe that any school could actually see itself as something different than a life support system for sports teams, then of course you would support a split. I think that is where a lot of the difference of opinion, and just about ALL the animosity, comes from. Heck, I have heard coaches say a few times that he always had to remember that he was at an 'academic first school'. They said this in a disparaging way, like it was a bad thing and a pain in his neck, and like he wasn't too thrilled about it. Isn't that what a daggone school is SUPPOSED to be?!? But, if that is the way a person sees things, they will see advantages and cheating and whatever everywhere they look, because they cannot FATHOM that someone would run a school any other way.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 12:16:08 GMT -6
No one is throwing away anything. Here is your problem. Even though your school has an inherent advantage like all select schools do, you guys do a poor job of using the advantage. Probably have a principal who keeps your ears pinned and doesnt allow the blatent breaking of the spirit of fair play that others do. My suggestion, get a more athletic friendly principal, coach harder, and SPLIT NOW!! Here is the crux of the problem, summarized perfectly. There is a faction out there who absolutely cannot see how a school could consider athletics an ADJUNCT to the main function of a school. They cannot see how ANY school would fail to use any and all options at its disposal to maximize ATHLETIC success. They see schools as support systems for athletic teams. If these people are in private school ranks and running a school, they tend to be successful well beyond what would be expected. If they are in the public ranks, they can see nothing but the potential for advantage and they cannot possibly believe that a school could have that possibility and simply not consider it important. No way in hell would THEY not use it. So, they support the split. The above statement by Bigbob indicates that Incorrecthe believes that the private schools who arnt seeking athletes are actually DOING IT WRONG!!!!! That the goal of such a school should be to get as good as the athletic powerhouses over and above any other goal. He can't believe that any school that COULD recruit athletes or "deny enrollment" to kids based on 40 times just isn't paying a lot of attention to that. They see themselves as a school, that offers extracurricular activites that the student body can take part in if they wish. If you truly do not believe that any school could actually see itself as something different than a life support system for sports teams, then of course you would support a split. I think that is where a lot of the difference of opinion, and just about ALL the animosity, comes from. Heck, I have heard coaches say a few times that he always had to remember that he was at an 'academic first school'. They said this in a disparaging way, like it was a bad thing and a pain in his neck, and like he wasn't too thrilled about it. Isn't that what a daggone school is SUPPOSED to be?!? But, if that is the way a person sees things, they will see advantages and cheating and whatever everywhere they look, because they cannot FATHOM that someone would run a school any other way. Incorrect. Butthurt statement. SPLITSPLITSPLITSPLIT
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Post by indy on May 5, 2016 12:36:34 GMT -6
Here is the crux of the problem, summarized perfectly. There is a faction out there who absolutely cannot see how a school could consider athletics an ADJUNCT to the main function of a school. They cannot see how ANY school would fail to use any and all options at its disposal to maximize ATHLETIC success. They see schools as support systems for athletic teams. If these people are in private school ranks and running a school, they tend to be successful well beyond what would be expected. If they are in the public ranks, they can see nothing but the potential for advantage and they cannot possibly believe that a school could have that possibility and simply not consider it important. No way in hell would THEY not use it. So, they support the split. The above statement by Bigbob indicates that Incorrecthe believes that the private schools who arnt seeking athletes are actually DOING IT WRONG!!!!! That the goal of such a school should be to get as good as the athletic powerhouses over and above any other goal. He can't believe that any school that COULD recruit athletes or "deny enrollment" to kids based on 40 times just isn't paying a lot of attention to that. They see themselves as a school, that offers extracurricular activites that the student body can take part in if they wish. If you truly do not believe that any school could actually see itself as something different than a life support system for sports teams, then of course you would support a split. I think that is where a lot of the difference of opinion, and just about ALL the animosity, comes from. Heck, I have heard coaches say a few times that he always had to remember that he was at an 'academic first school'. They said this in a disparaging way, like it was a bad thing and a pain in his neck, and like he wasn't too thrilled about it. Isn't that what a daggone school is SUPPOSED to be?!? But, if that is the way a person sees things, they will see advantages and cheating and whatever everywhere they look, because they cannot FATHOM that someone would run a school any other way. Incorrect. Butthurt statement. SPLITSPLITSPLITSPLIT Cull, cull, cull is what you mean. Cull the ones you can't compete against. That's weak.
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Post by Raven on May 5, 2016 13:25:15 GMT -6
Incorrect. Butthurt statement. SPLITSPLITSPLITSPLIT Cull, cull, cull is what you mean. Cull the ones you can't compete against. That's weak. They can't dispute it, so they go right for the insults. Classic.
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Post by eag on May 5, 2016 13:52:59 GMT -6
Here is the crux of the problem, summarized perfectly. There is a faction out there who absolutely cannot see how a school could consider athletics an ADJUNCT to the main function of a school. They cannot see how ANY school would fail to use any and all options at its disposal to maximize ATHLETIC success. They see schools as support systems for athletic teams. If these people are in private school ranks and running a school, they tend to be successful well beyond what would be expected. If they are in the public ranks, they can see nothing but the potential for advantage and they cannot possibly believe that a school could have that possibility and simply not consider it important. No way in hell would THEY not use it. So, they support the split. The above statement by Bigbob indicates that Incorrecthe believes that the private schools who arnt seeking athletes are actually DOING IT WRONG!!!!! That the goal of such a school should be to get as good as the athletic powerhouses over and above any other goal. He can't believe that any school that COULD recruit athletes or "deny enrollment" to kids based on 40 times just isn't paying a lot of attention to that. They see themselves as a school, that offers extracurricular activites that the student body can take part in if they wish. If you truly do not believe that any school could actually see itself as something different than a life support system for sports teams, then of course you would support a split. I think that is where a lot of the difference of opinion, and just about ALL the animosity, comes from. Heck, I have heard coaches say a few times that he always had to remember that he was at an 'academic first school'. They said this in a disparaging way, like it was a bad thing and a pain in his neck, and like he wasn't too thrilled about it. Isn't that what a daggone school is SUPPOSED to be?!? But, if that is the way a person sees things, they will see advantages and cheating and whatever everywhere they look, because they cannot FATHOM that someone would run a school any other way. Incorrect. Butthurt statement. SPLITSPLITSPLITSPLIT How is it incorrect? Your statement: " No one is throwing away anything. Here is your problem. Even though your school has an inherent advantage like all select schools do, you guys do a poor job of using the advantage." Is there another interpretation of that other than 'go get yourself better players' ?? And this: " principal who keeps your ears pinned and doesnt allow the blatent breaking of the spirit of fair play that others do. My suggestion, get a more athletic friendly principal," pretty much clinches it. Can't mean anything else other than that a school administered as you describe is remiss in its duty as a school. Why not commend that school? And go after the "others" you mention.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 5, 2016 17:30:02 GMT -6
Simple question STM, when was the last time STM had a losing season in football? What year? Simple answer, it has been about 20 years since they had a losing season. But they do not win the district every year and in most years they split with either Teurling, Breaux Bridge or St. Martinville when they were all in the same district. When Carroll Delahoussaye was the coach in St. Martinville, Da Ville beat them consistently in district play. Breaux Bridge and STM would go back and forth every other year banging on each other. Northside and STM also back and forth. Once Delahoussaye retired STM dominated them mostly because St. Martinville had trouble fielding a team. Northside, St. Martinville and Breaux Bridge knocked STM out of the playoffs many years when they had to play them twice. It was competitive with about a 50-50 split in winning over the years. The dominance STM has over these schools now, (except Breaux Bridge which still beats them regularly when they play) is not because of an inherent advantage in recruitment or selecting students. It is in the stability of the programs. St. Martinville gets skull drugged by just about everyone these days, as does Northside. Neither of these schools can keep a coach and they both have bad academics so people flee the schools. STM has also had a great competitive series against, Acadiana, Barbe and Sulphur. Sulphur chooses to play us as the first game of the year EVERY year for the last 10 years maybe even going back farther, it is a great rivalry and relationship between the schools. But some schools, STM just has their number, Westgate has never beaten STM, New Iberia has not beaten them in the last 10 maybe 15 years. Cecilia should not have been in 4A, they struggled against everyone until the last year or two. STM's stability and tradition comes from those two factors. Stability, Jim Hightower has been the head coach for almost 30 years, the DC was there the 1st year the school fielded a team. The OC is an STM graduate as well as most of the other coaches on the staff. STM now has students whose parents also went to STM and played football there and this will make the tradition grow even deeper. They expect to win and the coaches help develop the skills to give them the opportunity to win.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 5, 2016 17:33:57 GMT -6
No high horse here, just your opinions, but many believe and listen to the voices on my side of the argument because we have evidence and fact that is contrary to your beliefs. It is fascist of you to not listens to dissenting opinions and attempt to silence and deny a voice to your opposition. The problem is that the arguments of how private schools get their students is really none of the public schools business day to day. You want to control the private schools and force them to being the same as public schools which will never happen. While the real problem from your posts is private school existence. Haynesville has been accused on these boards as having cheated, not be me but by others as having an unfair advantage, as has Acadiana, W. Monroe and Neville, not to mention those that actually were caught with egregious violations of the eligibility rule like Bastrop and many other public schools (Many). It happens on an annual basis. Meanwhile private schools publicly, such as Notre Dame's new "recruit" as you call him, follow the letter of the rules to the tooth, yet are accused of having an inherent and perpetual advantage that is unfair simply because you do not like them. So you makeup stuff like many other people do without a single IOTA of proof and the uninformed minions swallow it hook and sinker. Haters got to hate. If you were truly interested in a level playing field and for adherence to the rules of the LHSAA, instead of throwing away 1/3 of your membership, you would be calling for the LHSAA to stiffen the penalty for the violations. Start putting suspensions not just on the children but on the coaches and the schools. If you are caught with an ineligible player and are found guilty, then you should be stripped of participation. Depending on the severity and the cover up involved. 1st offense, stripped of loses and loss of the school for championships eligibility for the next year in all sports. But no, we slap the offenders on the wrist both public and private and look the other way. That is were the true "spirit" of the rules being abused. In the public sector by the very principals that voted to discriminate against their fellow members in good standing. I vote for iknownothing as the new commissioner and vote bob to go to work in the administration. I will only accept it if it is in the new association. LOL... . I want a fresh start
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