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Post by btown on May 24, 2016 17:29:42 GMT -6
I just posted this on another thread. I do not believe the playoffs will come back together. The way Bonine has handled the split has caused great distrust and the split supports have dug in. The ony thing that can happen is LHSAA needs to part ways with Bonine, find someone new from LA, enforce all rules and start trying to bring thing back together. But as of know there is no trust between split supports and Bonine, that is a big problem. No trust no moving forward. Do not care if you support the split or not, trust has to come first. I understand the trust factor. I know from what I saw on here that a lot of the "split supporters" think that the "select" schools forced his hand or put him up to the announcement right before the winter meetings. Does anyone know what school or schools this might have been & do they have the power to do what y'all think happened? Not trying to start a fight but I am just asking a question. It does not matter what happen perception is 100% reality. If majority of people think it happen then it did, no matter if it actually did not happen. That is the problem with moving forward Bonine is tainted no matter what really happened. TO MOVE FORWARD HE HAS TO GO. If not we will continue to argue why we support the split, do not support it, call people names and tell people they do not know what they are talking about.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 24, 2016 21:05:23 GMT -6
If u noticed, I never called out ANY catholic school. I only referenced john Curtis. NO ONE wanted to play them. If not for the vote in 2004, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The 4a and 5a voted them out. The 3a dodged both evangel and Jc. 2a was stuck and all other classes were happy. The privates probably voted for it as well. So if John Curtis went away, everything would be hunky dory?if that is what has to happen, do it...
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 8:46:37 GMT -6
Ill have to chalk this one up to snoprat. Neither you or opinion are correct on this on. Theres nothing revolutionary about either offensive. The rolling start splitback veer is one of the oldest forms of offense ever created. Both coaches firmly agree that they want you to do a few things, (formations) perfectly. Rather than run 25 formations, average. Sorry boys, but ive heard that straight from JT's ad Ted's mouth. Its ok to be wrong once in a while lol It's modern cause it fits the public system of simplicity. More schools are running it. Just look at most if not all of your state champs year in year out, they all run the veer. W. Monroe, Acadiana, Hahnville, Parkview Baptist, Etc.. Etc... Etc... Is it modern if i wear bellbottom jeans, or drive a model-t car bc its the popular thing to do?
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Post by iknownuthing on May 25, 2016 8:57:06 GMT -6
So if John Curtis went away, everything would be hunky dory? if that is what has to happen, do it... Yes, lets take a member in good standing, that has never been penalized or been shown to have ever broken a rule and throw them out of the organization because they are too successful on the football field. What if a public school takes their place as the dominate school, say W. Monroe and they win 7 consecutive championships, are you going to toss them too? The only way you can get rid of JC with out MAJOR legal ramifications, is for the public school principals to man up, on June 8, reject all existing proposals and then put their own proposal on the agenda removing ALL private schools from the LHSAA. You have the majority, it is a simple vote and these days the majority rules, constitution be damned. Oh, there will still be MAJOR legal ramifications, but do what your really want to do and get it over with so that we can go on with our lives without all the drama.
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Post by Raven on May 25, 2016 9:12:15 GMT -6
It's modern cause it fits the public system of simplicity. More schools are running it. Just look at most if not all of your state champs year in year out, they all run the veer. W. Monroe, Acadiana, Hahnville, Parkview Baptist, Etc.. Etc... Etc... Is it modern if i wear bellbottom jeans, or drive a model-t car bc its the popular thing to do? Yes. Being popular would necessitate that it also be modern. Just because something originated in a previous decade, if it is embraced by popular culture and used by a majority of people it has to be considered modern. The internet originated in the 70s along with bell-bottoms, but no one would argue today that is out-of-date.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 25, 2016 9:22:09 GMT -6
Is it modern if i wear bellbottom jeans, or drive a model-t car bc its the popular thing to do? Yes. Being popular would necessitate that it also be modern. Just because something originated in a previous decade, if it is embraced by popular culture and used by a majority of people it has to be considered modern. The internet originated in the 70s along with bell-bottoms, but no one would argue today that is out-of-date. Be careful, you are using reason and common sense, these are no longer modern.
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Post by eag on May 25, 2016 9:22:50 GMT -6
I can assure you that the year John Curtis beat Winnfield they had 2 lineman that were 6-7 and 6-8. Agree on Acadiana. It's not about being right or wrong. STM and ND are fine 1st class schools. Congrats to the young men and women on graduating with such high honors. I have no doubt many will be successful in college and in life. However, this isn't the point I was making. I have no problem coming back together in some form or fashion. Ive recommended a multiplier for all out of zone students. Private schools know that there is an advantage. It's not the same teaching schedule for the coaches, or curriculum for the students. It is an advantage to not have to deal with statewide testing. You can have flexibility to allow PE 5 days a week for nearly 2 hrs and only take Math 2 or 3 days a week. Public schools have tried this and it was short lived due to statewide testing scores. You can have an excellent school that may score a 110. If you score a 109 the next school year. You are now considered a school in decline! These are luxuries the public schools don't have. Being able to practice 2 or 3 a days for 3 weeks in the summer is also an advantage. Parish school boards determine when school begins. Athletics are not taken into account. I have great respect for most of the private schools. I, however, do believe they are not the same. When I have children, I would prefer to send them to STM, Teurlings, ND, Cath NI, VC, Cath BR, Jesuit, Shaw, Opelousas Cath, St Eds, or Menard over the public schools if I live in that area. Bolded lines:
Public schools may have tried it, but I don't know of any private schools who have. There may be some, but it surely isn't any great number. Remember, these schools charge parents money to send the kids there, and no matter how much we like athletics the vast, vast majority of the parents would not consider paying tuition to have the kid take half a math course and 2 PEs. Not going to work as a business model. Now, I do know some schools that will have early AM weightlifting at like 630 or 7 AM, or something like that. But any school could do that. Blue lines:
I have no idea what this means. All schools, public and private, abide by the same rules as far as allowable practice time, sessions per day, etc. Are you saying that private schools start school on a different schedule, several weeks off from the public schools, for athletic reasons? Are you saying they have a different set of rules re summer practice? I'm really not sure what you mean, but I think it is important because these kinds of misconceptions can drive a big wedge between schools where no wedge belongs. Now, if you are saying that many private school kids/families will have the responsibility and commitment to show up in the summer, that's different. It isn't a private school issue,though. I doubt WM has any real trouble with adherence to offseason programs.
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Post by indy on May 25, 2016 9:38:33 GMT -6
Is it modern if i wear bellbottom jeans, or drive a model-t car bc its the popular thing to do? Yes. Being popular would necessitate that it also be modern. Just because something originated in a previous decade, if it is embraced by popular culture and used by a majority of people it has to be considered modern. The internet originated in the 70s along with bell-bottoms, but no one would argue today that is out-of-date. I love the Internet!! Thank you Al Gore aka BigBo@b
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Post by pinion on May 25, 2016 11:23:56 GMT -6
if that is what has to happen, do it... Yes, lets take a member in good standing, that has never been penalized or been shown to have ever broken a rule and throw them out of the organization because they are too successful on the football field. What if a public school takes their place as the dominate school, say W. Monroe and they win 7 consecutive championships, are you going to toss them too? The only way you can get rid of JC with out MAJOR legal ramifications, is for the public school principals to man up, on June 8, reject all existing proposals and then put their own proposal on the agenda removing ALL private schools from the LHSAA. You have the majority, it is a simple vote and these days the majority rules, constitution be damned. Oh, there will still be MAJOR legal ramifications, but do what your really want to do and get it over with so that we can go on with our lives without all the drama. Something like that would never happen. Not because of the legal ramifications, but more because the public schools need to have the private schools in the league. They need everything that comes along with having the private schools in the LHSAA. They don't care how happy the private schools are, just that they remain. They'll dance a very fine line to keep the private schools from leaving. Why do you think every time the discussion of a new league comes up, you suddenly have all the "pro split" folks wanting to give advice and sound reasonable? If the private schools make a new league, that league will allow students to come in from wherever. The advertising dollars lost by the LHSAA will be pretty impressive. The new league will be the dominant league in the state. The public schools know it, even if they don't want to admit it. the back room deals that are currently trying to be worked out is that the LHSAA and public schools are trying to get the larger catholic schools to agree to not leave. If they stay the smaller ones will also likely stay. If most of the catholic schools stay, a new league will be hard to get going. As with most things in the state, all of this is being settled down South and the schools up in the North are just going with the flow and waiting to see what happens.
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Post by btown on May 25, 2016 11:29:29 GMT -6
Yes, lets take a member in good standing, that has never been penalized or been shown to have ever broken a rule and throw them out of the organization because they are too successful on the football field. What if a public school takes their place as the dominate school, say W. Monroe and they win 7 consecutive championships, are you going to toss them too? The only way you can get rid of JC with out MAJOR legal ramifications, is for the public school principals to man up, on June 8, reject all existing proposals and then put their own proposal on the agenda removing ALL private schools from the LHSAA. You have the majority, it is a simple vote and these days the majority rules, constitution be damned. Oh, there will still be MAJOR legal ramifications, but do what your really want to do and get it over with so that we can go on with our lives without all the drama. Something like that would never happen. Not because of the legal ramifications, but more because the public schools need to have the private schools in the league. They need everything that comes along with having the private schools in the LHSAA. They don't care how happy the private schools are, just that they remain. They'll dance a very fine line to keep the private schools from leaving. Why do you think every time the discussion of a new league comes up, you suddenly have all the "pro split" folks wanting to give advice and sound reasonable? If the private schools make a new league, that league will allow students to come in from wherever. Students can now come into private schools from wherever. What would be different, if I can send my kid to a private school today why wait until tomorrow?
The advertising dollars lost by the LHSAA will be pretty impressive. Opinion
The new league will be the dominant league in the state. The public schools know it, even if they don't want to admit it. Opinionthe back room deals that are currently trying to be worked out is that the LHSAA and public schools are trying to get the larger catholic schools to agree to not leave. If they stay the smaller ones will also likely stay. If most of the catholic schools stay, a new league will be hard to get going. As with most things in the state, all of this is being settled down South and the schools up in the North are just going with the flow and waiting to see what happens.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 25, 2016 11:31:30 GMT -6
if that is what has to happen, do it... Yes, lets take a member in good standing, that has never been penalized or been shown to have ever broken a rule and throw them out of the organization because they are too successful on the football field. What if a public school takes their place as the dominate school, say W. Monroe and they win 7 consecutive championships, are you going to toss them too? The only way you can get rid of JC with out MAJOR legal ramifications, is for the public school principals to man up, on June 8, reject all existing proposals and then put their own proposal on the agenda removing ALL private schools from the LHSAA. You have the majority, it is a simple vote and these days the majority rules, constitution be damned. Oh, there will still be MAJOR legal ramifications, but do what your really want to do and get it over with so that we can go on with our lives without all the drama. What could happen is the LHSAA can make new rules regarding eligibility or recruiting and then declare John Curtis and other schools we want out to have retroactively broken them... if a public school gets that dominant and they don't have down years like a public school should, they should have the microscope on everything that they do. The only way schools will have to compensated, is if they cannot join a comparable organization. If one forms and Curtis joins, they will not have a case that being thrown out of the LHSAA has hurt them
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 25, 2016 11:34:47 GMT -6
Yes, lets take a member in good standing, that has never been penalized or been shown to have ever broken a rule and throw them out of the organization because they are too successful on the football field. What if a public school takes their place as the dominate school, say W. Monroe and they win 7 consecutive championships, are you going to toss them too? The only way you can get rid of JC with out MAJOR legal ramifications, is for the public school principals to man up, on June 8, reject all existing proposals and then put their own proposal on the agenda removing ALL private schools from the LHSAA. You have the majority, it is a simple vote and these days the majority rules, constitution be damned. Oh, there will still be MAJOR legal ramifications, but do what your really want to do and get it over with so that we can go on with our lives without all the drama. Something like that would never happen. Not because of the legal ramifications, but more because the public schools need to have the private schools in the league. They need everything that comes along with having the private schools in the LHSAA. They don't care how happy the private schools are, just that they remain. They'll dance a very fine line to keep the private schools from leaving. Why do you think every time the discussion of a new league comes up, you suddenly have all the "pro split" folks wanting to give advice and sound reasonable? If the private schools make a new league, that league will allow students to come in from wherever. The advertising dollars lost by the LHSAA will be pretty impressive. The new league will be the dominant league in the state. The public schools know it, even if they don't want to admit it. the back room deals that are currently trying to be worked out is that the LHSAA and public schools are trying to get the larger catholic schools to agree to not leave. If they stay the smaller ones will also likely stay. If most of the catholic schools stay, a new league will be hard to get going. As with most things in the state, all of this is being settled down South and the schools up in the North are just going with the flow and waiting to see what happens. If we can keep the bigger catholic schools and cast out the smaller ones, that would be ideal and we can all move on... but if they all go, big nonselect schools will be okay. I don't really give a crap about the small ones
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 25, 2016 11:42:49 GMT -6
Something like that would never happen. Not because of the legal ramifications, but more because the public schools need to have the private schools in the league. They need everything that comes along with having the private schools in the LHSAA. They don't care how happy the private schools are, just that they remain. They'll dance a very fine line to keep the private schools from leaving. Why do you think every time the discussion of a new league comes up, you suddenly have all the "pro split" folks wanting to give advice and sound reasonable? If the private schools make a new league, that league will allow students to come in from wherever. The advertising dollars lost by the LHSAA will be pretty impressive. The new league will be the dominant league in the state. The public schools know it, even if they don't want to admit it. the back room deals that are currently trying to be worked out is that the LHSAA and public schools are trying to get the larger catholic schools to agree to not leave. If they stay the smaller ones will also likely stay. If most of the catholic schools stay, a new league will be hard to get going. As with most things in the state, all of this is being settled down South and the schools up in the North are just going with the flow and waiting to see what happens. If we can keep the bigger catholic schools and cast out the smaller ones, that would be ideal and we can all move on... but if they all go, big nonselect schools will be okay. I don't really give a crap about the small ones So you would throw out all the smaller Catholic Schools? The public schools now are wanting to do what it takes to keep the "Catholic League" happy and in the fold. They know that a lot money follows these schools and want to keep it. I have heard that if the vote doesn't turn out the way the "Catholic League" hopes that 50 of the 52 Catholic Schools are ready to leave and join another association. I don't believe that the Bishops will go along with only the "Big Catholic Schools" staying and the "smaller ones" being pushed out. I may be wrong and have been before, but not from what I've heard.
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Post by btown on May 25, 2016 11:52:30 GMT -6
If we can keep the bigger catholic schools and cast out the smaller ones, that would be ideal and we can all move on... but if they all go, big nonselect schools will be okay. I don't really give a crap about the small ones So you would throw out all the smaller Catholic Schools? The public schools now are wanting to do what it takes to keep the "Catholic League" happy and in the fold. They know that a lot money follows these schools and want to keep it. I have heard that if the vote doesn't turn out the way the "Catholic League" hopes that 50 of the 52 Catholic Schools are ready to leave and join another association. I don't believe that the Bishops will go along with only the "Big Catholic Schools" staying and the "smaller ones" being pushed out. I may be wrong and have been before, but not from what I've heard. But I bet that they big private schools are the ones driving the bus to leave. They are not worried about the same private schools and if the catholic schools would leave the small ones will be the schools to suffer. How many Sacred Heart of Ville Platte and St. Eds are out there.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 25, 2016 11:52:52 GMT -6
If we can keep the bigger catholic schools and cast out the smaller ones, that would be ideal and we can all move on... but if they all go, big nonselect schools will be okay. I don't really give a crap about the small ones So you would throw out all the smaller Catholic Schools? The public schools now are wanting to do what it takes to keep the "Catholic League" happy and in the fold. They know that a lot money follows these schools and want to keep it. I have heard that if the vote doesn't turn out the way the "Catholic League" hopes that 50 of the 52 Catholic Schools are ready to leave and join another association. I don't believe that the Bishops will go along with only the "Big Catholic Schools" staying and the "smaller ones" being pushed out. I may be wrong and have been before, but not from what I've heard. I want the Catholic League to stay, but if they leave, I want my school compensated by the LHSAA for the rivalry game we can no longer play, or we will play it illegally and I dare pro - split principals to stop us. The small classes want the split, and the small Catholic schools skew the competition in most sports. That's why I don't care if they go.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 25, 2016 12:17:44 GMT -6
So you would throw out all the smaller Catholic Schools? The public schools now are wanting to do what it takes to keep the "Catholic League" happy and in the fold. They know that a lot money follows these schools and want to keep it. I have heard that if the vote doesn't turn out the way the "Catholic League" hopes that 50 of the 52 Catholic Schools are ready to leave and join another association. I don't believe that the Bishops will go along with only the "Big Catholic Schools" staying and the "smaller ones" being pushed out. I may be wrong and have been before, but not from what I've heard. I want the Catholic League to stay, but if they leave, I want my school compensated by the LHSAA for the rivalry game we can no longer play, or we will play it illegally and I dare pro - split principals to stop us. The small classes want the split, and the small Catholic schools skew the competition in most sports. That's why I don't care if they go. Boys Basketball: 1A-3A no Catholic School won the championship Girls Basketball: 1A-3A no Catholic School won the championship Baseball: 1A & 2A won by Catholic Schools Softball: Only 1A was won by Catholic School The other sports golf, tennis, etc the smaller public schools either don't participate or put any emphasis on. How do you say the smaller Catholic Schools are skewing the competition in most sports, look at the "Major Sports" that are going to be split if nothing changes and show how they are skewing it.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 25, 2016 12:35:13 GMT -6
look at the baseball power ratings for 1A and 2A... the select schools have skewed it and nonselects can't compete. there is no debate.
the smaller sports, how is it possible out of a random distribution of students that Catholic schools can compete in them and the publics can't?
and "random distribution" is the key. those smaller select schools don't have enough down years in those sports.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 25, 2016 12:55:12 GMT -6
look at the baseball power ratings for 1A and 2A... the select schools have skewed it and nonselects can't compete. there is no debate. the smaller sports, how is it possible out of a random distribution of students that Catholic schools can compete in them and the publics can't? and "random distribution" is the key. those smaller select schools don't have enough down years in those sports. I agree that the "select" schools do better in baseball & softball, but I think that is because of travel ball. Look at the baseball/softball thread, they are asking what can be done to stop Barbe from winning all the time. I know in CENLA that a lot of the travel ball teams end up being the same teammates that they play high school ball with. The more you play the game together the better you will be as a team. As for the smaller sports golf, tennis, etc a lot of the smaller public schools don't even offer, so if you want to play that sport you have to attend a school that offers it, usually private. As an example, Sabine Parish is just now starting to have a golf team at only one of the high schools (I think they have 6), Negreet High School. So now if a student in Sabine Parish wants to play golf they are allowed to attend Negreet no matter where they live in the Parish, just like Many High School. with Football. As far as down years if you are the only school that offers a lot of the smaller sports and you get the kids who want to play and have been playing along time why would you have down years?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 15:59:19 GMT -6
One day, we all need to get together and drink some beer. We can all figure this thing out together! We'd probably all be pretty good friends too!
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 25, 2016 15:59:38 GMT -6
look at the baseball power ratings for 1A and 2A... the select schools have skewed it and nonselects can't compete. there is no debate. the smaller sports, how is it possible out of a random distribution of students that Catholic schools can compete in them and the publics can't? and "random distribution" is the key. those smaller select schools don't have enough down years in those sports. I agree that the "select" schools do better in baseball & softball, but I think that is because of travel ball. Look at the baseball/softball thread, they are asking what can be done to stop Barbe from winning all the time. I know in CENLA that a lot of the travel ball teams end up being the same teammates that they play high school ball with. The more you play the game together the better you will be as a team. As for the smaller sports golf, tennis, etc a lot of the smaller public schools don't even offer, so if you want to play that sport you have to attend a school that offers it, usually private. As an example, Sabine Parish is just now starting to have a golf team at only one of the high schools (I think they have 6), Negreet High School. So now if a student in Sabine Parish wants to play golf they are allowed to attend Negreet no matter where they live in the Parish, just like Many High School. with Football. As far as down years if you are the only school that offers a lot of the smaller sports and you get the kids who want to play and have been playing along time why would you have down years? i posted that thread about Barbe... the LHSAA has a duty to the other schools to make sure the dominant teams are on the up and up... if you have down years in sports, that means you have a random distribution of talent. if you don't, you're recruiting somehow. in your example, some of the kids who play smaller sports should go to schools that don't have them.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 25, 2016 17:18:02 GMT -6
I agree that the "select" schools do better in baseball & softball, but I think that is because of travel ball. Look at the baseball/softball thread, they are asking what can be done to stop Barbe from winning all the time. I know in CENLA that a lot of the travel ball teams end up being the same teammates that they play high school ball with. The more you play the game together the better you will be as a team. As for the smaller sports golf, tennis, etc a lot of the smaller public schools don't even offer, so if you want to play that sport you have to attend a school that offers it, usually private. As an example, Sabine Parish is just now starting to have a golf team at only one of the high schools (I think they have 6), Negreet High School. So now if a student in Sabine Parish wants to play golf they are allowed to attend Negreet no matter where they live in the Parish, just like Many High School. with Football. As far as down years if you are the only school that offers a lot of the smaller sports and you get the kids who want to play and have been playing along time why would you have down years? i posted that thread about Barbe... the LHSAA has a duty to the other schools to make sure the dominant teams are on the up and up... if you have down years in sports, that means you have a random distribution of talent. if you don't, you're recruiting somehow. in your example, some of the kids who play smaller sports should go to schools that don't have them. I agree to a point. Take St. Martinville and football in St. Martin Parish. Back when Carol Delahoussaye was the head coach in St. Martinville, if you lived or had relatives in the parish, you would send you kid to St Martinville high. They reloaded year after year after year. Relatives in Breaux Bridge listed their address with taunt T on Lewis street in St. Martinville even though Mom lived on Brick street in Breaux Bridge. That way studly was part of a winning tradition. Then Carol retired from coaching, now it is reversed, Breaux Bridge reloads year in year out, they had a good coach so they got lots of talent showing up to play. Now it is swinging more toward Cecilia, that will not last. Mainly because you have to have a relative to list the address in the right community. St Martinville is back on the up swing with a Coach that people will want to play for. So he will get the sideline players who did not come out to come show up, plus he will pick up talent from Breaux Bridge, Cecilia and a few from Westgate and New Iberia. St. Martinville will then post some good teams year in year out until Derouen leaves. Then it will swing back to Breaux Bridge. That is the real cycle in many places. Northside use to be in that mix too, but no longer as they go from bad situation to bad situation with no relief in sight. Breaux Bridge has been reloading every year, winning district outright or as co-champ even when STM and Teurlings were in the same district OR when STM and Northside were in the same district. And if they were not champs they were runner up. Sometimes it ended up a three way split. STM beat Teurlings, Teurlings BB who beat STM.
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Post by indy on May 25, 2016 19:42:30 GMT -6
One day, we all need to get together and drink some beer. We can all figure this thing out together! We'd probably all be pretty good friends too! I'm in. Coors light, real cold
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Post by 1stdown on May 25, 2016 19:43:13 GMT -6
So do you think that all these address changes are good and legal? Using your own post above, these schools have had up years when this was going on. You defended JC in another thread, they havent had a losing season(down year) since their second football season! Putting two and two together it seems like they are doing something like you mentioned in the above post. Do you realize the odds of being that good for that long...why are they the only school(2a) that can achieve that type of success? In the state, or any state? I'm just saying it's not "normal". To only not have a down year, but a 2a enrollment at that. Amazing. By the way, im not putting all private schools in that category, only them.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 25, 2016 21:33:14 GMT -6
I agree that the "select" schools do better in baseball & softball, but I think that is because of travel ball. Look at the baseball/softball thread, they are asking what can be done to stop Barbe from winning all the time. I know in CENLA that a lot of the travel ball teams end up being the same teammates that they play high school ball with. The more you play the game together the better you will be as a team. As for the smaller sports golf, tennis, etc a lot of the smaller public schools don't even offer, so if you want to play that sport you have to attend a school that offers it, usually private. As an example, Sabine Parish is just now starting to have a golf team at only one of the high schools (I think they have 6), Negreet High School. So now if a student in Sabine Parish wants to play golf they are allowed to attend Negreet no matter where they live in the Parish, just like Many High School. with Football. As far as down years if you are the only school that offers a lot of the smaller sports and you get the kids who want to play and have been playing along time why would you have down years? i posted that thread about Barbe... the LHSAA has a duty to the other schools to make sure the dominant teams are on the up and up... if you have down years in sports, that means you have a random distribution of talent. if you don't, you're recruiting somehow. in your example, some of the kids who play smaller sports should go to schools that don't have them. Why should they go to a school that doesn't have their chosen sport? Playing sports isn't all high school is about, but it is part of it.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 25, 2016 21:34:44 GMT -6
One day, we all need to get together and drink some beer. We can all figure this thing out together! We'd probably all be pretty good friends too! I'm in. Coors light, real cold I'm in, Coors Light for me to. Only when the mountains are blue
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 26, 2016 1:41:46 GMT -6
i posted that thread about Barbe... the LHSAA has a duty to the other schools to make sure the dominant teams are on the up and up... if you have down years in sports, that means you have a random distribution of talent. if you don't, you're recruiting somehow. in your example, some of the kids who play smaller sports should go to schools that don't have them. Why should they go to a school that doesn't have their chosen sport? Playing sports isn't all high school is about, but it is part of it. because no one should pick their kids' high school based on sports... if you have to do your sport that bad, do it in the private sector on a club team. if parents say they're picking a school based on academics, we should make sure those academics are worth it
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 26, 2016 6:51:29 GMT -6
Why should they go to a school that doesn't have their chosen sport? Playing sports isn't all high school is about, but it is part of it. because no one should pick their kids' high school based on sports... if you have to do your sport that bad, do it in the private sector on a club team. if parents say they're picking a school based on academics, we should make sure those academics are worth it I'm not saying parents should pick the school because of sports, but playing sports is part of the high school experience for most kids not all. If the school that offers the sport your child wants to play and has the academics that you desire why not send your kid there. Just because you don't have the "random distribution" of championships or "enough down years" to satisfy you, why tell a kid or parent that instead of going to THEIR school of choice, play club ball and go to a public school that doesn't offer that sport? As far as the LHSAA having a duty to the other schools that's enforcing the rules in place, not making sure that everyone has a chance to win a championship. So are you saying since Barbe hasn't had enough down years they are recruiting? Instead of trying to bring Barbe down go check out what they are doing and see if your team/school can replicate it, bring your team/school up to their level not try to bring them down to yours.
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Post by indy on May 26, 2016 7:01:55 GMT -6
because no one should pick their kids' high school based on sports... if you have to do your sport that bad, do it in the private sector on a club team. if parents say they're picking a school based on academics, we should make sure those academics are worth it I'm not saying parents should pick the school because of sports, but playing sports is part of the high school experience for most kids not all. If the school that offers the sport your child wants to play and has the academics that you desire why not send your kid there. Just because you don't have the "random distribution" of championships or "enough down years" to satisfy you, why tell a kid or parent that instead of going to THEIR school of choice, play club ball and go to a public school that doesn't offer that sport? As far as the LHSAA having a duty to the other schools that's enforcing the rules in place, not making sure that everyone has a chance to win a championship. So are you saying since Barbe hasn't had enough down years they are recruiting? Instead of trying to bring Barbe down go check out what they are doing and see if your team/school can replicate it, bring your team/school up to their level not try to bring them down to yours. Amen!
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Post by pinion on May 26, 2016 10:49:07 GMT -6
Something like that would never happen. Not because of the legal ramifications, but more because the public schools need to have the private schools in the league. They need everything that comes along with having the private schools in the LHSAA. They don't care how happy the private schools are, just that they remain. They'll dance a very fine line to keep the private schools from leaving. Why do you think every time the discussion of a new league comes up, you suddenly have all the "pro split" folks wanting to give advice and sound reasonable? If the private schools make a new league, that league will allow students to come in from wherever. Students can now come into private schools from wherever. What would be different, if I can send my kid to a private school today why wait until tomorrow?
The advertising dollars lost by the LHSAA will be pretty impressive. Opinion
The new league will be the dominant league in the state. The public schools know it, even if they don't want to admit it. Opinionthe back room deals that are currently trying to be worked out is that the LHSAA and public schools are trying to get the larger catholic schools to agree to not leave. If they stay the smaller ones will also likely stay. If most of the catholic schools stay, a new league will be hard to get going. As with most things in the state, all of this is being settled down South and the schools up in the North are just going with the flow and waiting to see what happens. When I say come into private schools from wherever, I mean by whatever means necessary. Open recruiting. Private schools keep getting accused of it (regardless of nothing to back up the claim), so why not? Advertising dollars, yes, that is my own opinion. But it's not based on a knee jerk reaction. If Company A has $100 to spend on advertising. Right now, they spend all 100 with the LHSAA. If a new league forms and they split those dollars up, both organizations will get $50. The money brought in by the LHSAA is cut in half. the money brought in by PrivateSportsOrganzation is a 100% increase from where it is now. the less I have, the more I gain. And if you think StateFarm and all of the other "big names" are just going to ignore a new league, you have no clue how business works. Dominant league; again, that is my own opinion. And again, it's not based on a knee jerk reaction. The split happening the way it's all gone down is practically an admission from the public schools that they can't compete. I don't believe it, but that's what that side of the fence seems to keep saying. The same reasons that public won't be competitive now aren't going to suddenly change. Combine that with a league of schools that are actually recruiting, and all the serious players are going to end up in that league. My own hope is that this can all be worked out and we can come back together. As much I would rather private schools be on their own, having to fill schedules is going to be a bear when the LHSAA is too butthurt to let their teams play teams from a new league.
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Post by btown on May 26, 2016 11:44:23 GMT -6
When I say come into private schools from wherever, I mean by whatever means necessary. Open recruiting. Private schools keep getting accused of it (regardless of nothing to back up the claim), so why not? Recruiting means scholarships, so all at once private schools is either going to give a bunch of scholarships or let a bunch of kids in for free? Financial down side on both. I know of a few private schools in area numbers are going down, not up. If you are loosing money due to numbers going down how are going to allow kids to come to the school free. Private schools are run like a business you need a certain amount of students to meet the budget and free students do not help meet budget.
Advertising dollars, yes, that is my own opinion. But it's not based on a knee jerk reaction. If Company A has $100 to spend on advertising. Right now, they spend all 100 with the LHSAA. If a new league forms and they split those dollars up, both organizations will get $50. The money brought in by the LHSAA is cut in half. the money brought in by PrivateSportsOrganzation is a 100% increase from where it is now. the less I have, the more I gain. And if you think StateFarm and all of the other "big names" are just going to ignore a new league, you have no clue how business works. Dominant league; again, that is my own opinion. And again, it's not based on a knee jerk reaction. The split happening the way it's all gone down is practically an admission from the public schools that they can't compete. I don't believe it, but that's what that side of the fence seems to keep saying. The same reasons that public won't be competitive now aren't going to suddenly change. Combine that with a league of schools that are actually recruiting, and all the serious players are going to end up in that league. My own hope is that this can all be worked out and we can come back together. As much I would rather private schools be on their own, having to fill schedules is going to be a bear when the LHSAA is too butthurt to let their teams play teams from a new league.
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