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Post by indy on May 31, 2016 19:38:36 GMT -6
So why aren't they select? LET ME DO THIS SLOW FOR YOU THEY ARE PUBLICCCCC
So the split is about public vs private? And not about zones, attain and deny and all of the other lame excuses?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 19:44:27 GMT -6
Last thing, I told you once you can come to Kinder anytime for any sporting event and find out how much of a coward I am. Easy to see on the internet and call names. Put up or shut. What names? Just observations. What else do I call someone who is scared for his team to compete? So you not gonna answer a simple question? Says the guy whose school dodged john Curtis and evangel for 30 yrs. Why don't we put everyone together? Play ball! One state champion! I can assure you. No elite team in 2a is afraid to play Notre dame! After stepping on the field with Curtis and evangel, kinder isn't afraid! Don't flatter yourself.
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Post by indy on May 31, 2016 19:53:51 GMT -6
What names? Just observations. What else do I call someone who is scared for his team to compete? So you not gonna answer a simple question? Says the guy whose school dodged john Curtis and evangel for 30 yrs. Why don't we put everyone together? Play ball! One state champion! I can assure you. No elite team in 2a is afraid to play Notre dame! After stepping on the field with Curtis and evangel, kinder isn't afraid! Don't flatter yourself. Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:19:33 GMT -6
Says the guy whose school dodged john Curtis and evangel for 30 yrs. Why don't we put everyone together? Play ball! One state champion! I can assure you. No elite team in 2a is afraid to play Notre dame! After stepping on the field with Curtis and evangel, kinder isn't afraid! Don't flatter yourself. Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district. Nope. I like a multiplier for all out of zone kids. I'm sure the pios were looking forward to making the drive all the way to the Texas line to play vinton. Dequincy would have been ever farther. If we went back to the way it was prior to 2013, how fast would your numbers grow to climb back to 3a?
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Post by indy on May 31, 2016 20:33:42 GMT -6
Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district. Nope. I like a multiplier for all out of zone kids. I'm sure the pios were looking forward to making the drive all the way to the Texas line to play vinton. Dequincy would have been ever farther. If we went back to the way it was prior to 2013, how fast would your numbers grow to climb back to 3a? Wish they would climb, it is a Buisness. We know about multipliers. We had one applied to us from the early 90's to about 2013. Our big rise in enrollment was due to the LHSAA and Tommy Henry not students. We made the 9th grade a Jr high so freshman from out of the Crowley zones could compete in freshman sports and not sit out a year. So Henry made us use Crowley High's freshman numbers. They ran 180-200 when we only had 90-100. In 2013 the LHSAA ruled that freshmen from Catholic feeders were eligible we had to go back to a 4 year campus. So when our enrollment dropped to below 400 you know why. During those years we would have bounced back and fourth from 2a-3a. It worked out ok because during that time you couldn't play up and it kept us consistently in the same class. So much of our success in 3a we actually had 2a enrollment. So no fear about a multiplier as long as it's fair.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 1, 2016 6:58:05 GMT -6
No Rapides Parish usually doesn't have a dominate team except at ASH "non-select", weightlifting just about every year and ASH won 5A softball this year. I'm not sure if it should matter if they dominate in any sport. Don't forget Menard "select" is also in Rapides Parish and doesn't dominate a lot of sports either. I was asking a question to see what is driving the parish to do what they are doing, education or sports. If you look at my other post I said what I thought was driving. So if the school of choice is for education it's ok to choose the school your child attends? Then please explain to me how it's different if the parent chooses a public school anywhere in the parish for education reasons vs a private school in the parish for the same reason.
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Post by btown on Jun 1, 2016 7:09:17 GMT -6
I was asking a question to see what is driving the parish to do what they are doing, education or sports. If you look at my other post I said what I thought was driving. So if the school of choice is for education it's ok to choose the school your child attends? Then please explain to me how it's different if the parent chooses a public school anywhere in the parish for education reasons vs a private school in the parish for the same reason. Never seen a private school that just had kids come from one parish. Rapides parish is their schools attendance zone, no out of parish kids.
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Post by eag on Jun 1, 2016 7:14:40 GMT -6
So why aren't they select? LET ME DO THIS SLOW FOR YOU THEY ARE PUBLICCCCC
This truly makes no sense. In a parish like rapides kids can go to school in another town, and at distances that exceed 30 min drive. Certainly pretty equivalent to what most private schools can actually do, despite the frequent implications that kids are flying in from Alaska to go to St Eds. They can pick for whatever reason they wish. The schools actively market and 'recruit' the JH kids. But because they don't pay tuition, or because they aren't good in football, this is not an issue? It really does seem that the real issue comes down to a general dislike of private schools and " those people". And I think the "parish line" thing doesn't fly. It isn't nearly the barrier to building an advantage that $5000+ per kid is.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 1, 2016 7:16:41 GMT -6
So if the school of choice is for education it's ok to choose the school your child attends? Then please explain to me how it's different if the parent chooses a public school anywhere in the parish for education reasons vs a private school in the parish for the same reason. Never seen a private school that just had kids come from one parish. Rapides parish is their schools attendance zone, no out of parish kids. So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also?
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Post by 1stdown on Jun 1, 2016 7:19:17 GMT -6
Says the guy whose school dodged john Curtis and evangel for 30 yrs. Why don't we put everyone together? Play ball! One state champion! I can assure you. No elite team in 2a is afraid to play Notre dame! After stepping on the field with Curtis and evangel, kinder isn't afraid! Don't flatter yourself. Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district. Why would the ND coach want to make that 120 mile roundtrip to vinton? That would be stupid. I keep hearing this about ND, so thats like Kinder trying to get into a district over in Lafayette. Why would we want to do something like that, unless it benefited us somehow? Dont know of any rivalries with ND, in our district, ever.
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Post by btown on Jun 1, 2016 7:20:51 GMT -6
Never seen a private school that just had kids come from one parish. Rapides parish is their schools attendance zone, no out of parish kids. So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also? What if what if what if. What do you want me to say. Get your principal to put it on the agenda. Private schools can get kids from any place in Louisiana. Public schools can only gets kids from their zone, no matter if it is a area or parish it is a zone.
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 7:21:47 GMT -6
So if the school of choice is for education it's ok to choose the school your child attends? Then please explain to me how it's different if the parent chooses a public school anywhere in the parish for education reasons vs a private school in the parish for the same reason. Never seen a private school that just had kids come from one parish. Rapides parish is their schools attendance zone, no out of parish kids. So it's ok for public schools to accept out of parish students if they meet the criteria and the money is properly exchanged between school boards but not ok for a parent to send his kid across a parish line to a catholic school? Geez you a such s Hippocrate. Thank God the Kinder football team doesn't have your scared to play attitude.
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Post by btown on Jun 1, 2016 7:23:00 GMT -6
Never seen a private school that just had kids come from one parish. Rapides parish is their schools attendance zone, no out of parish kids. So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also? Menard does not just get kids from Rapides parish so what if does not matter.
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 7:29:30 GMT -6
So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also? Menard does not just get kids from Rapides parish so what if does not matter. VC only has students from vermillion parish and 82% or from their old assigned zone of AHS. So are they non select?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 1, 2016 7:48:54 GMT -6
So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also? Menard does not just get kids from Rapides parish so what if does not matter. Wasn't saying Menard only gets kids from Rapides parish, only using them as an example.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 1, 2016 8:28:04 GMT -6
Thanks for clearing nothing up. The question is does your parish follow zones. But thanks for pointing out that it is legal for public schools to accept out of parish students just like private schools. Not as simple for a public school as it is for private schools. Kid from any place in Louisiana can go to any private school their parents want to send them. As I have said tax dollars involved, both parishes have to agree, not school, parish school board have mile limits and so on. OUT OF PARISH BUT A ESTABLISHED ATTENDANCE ZONE BY BOTH PARISHES. All dealing with school board not school. Those parents are just lucky to have the option of two schools to choose from as their kids first school of choice. Ah yes the twist. Realistically, Kids from any place in Louisiana can go to any public school just like you can go to any private school. But there really is more barriers to getting into a private school than a public school, tuition, higher academic requirement etc.... 1st, from any place in Louisiana with the exception of St. Paul's in Covington and Grand Coteau in Grand Coteau, you must uproot your family and move across state, reselling your home and make a legitimate move into that parish. Same is true from any private school making it very unlikely that a kid from Monroe will move just so little Johnny can maybe make the football team at STM, it just does not happen. Just as kids are allowed from adjoining parishes to go to out of parish public schools by the law your quoted, so are private school attendees and if mommy and daddy uproot and head to Lafayette from Ouachita, they can enroll at any public or private school in the parish that will accept them, none are required. While a school board from parish A may set a limit in miles from the parish line, that is the only difference between the two systems as for as adjoining parishes go. But again that is not a restriction of the LHSAA nor is it a factor in consideration for enrollment for athletic purposes. ANY enrollment for athletic purposes from one school system to another by the LHSAA constitution and bylaws is an illegitimate move. All any, out of parish parent has to do, is move into that established zone for his child to be accepted, sometimes without selling or uprooting. But here is the thing, You want to take into consideration what the government does to establish policies at its public schools and enforce them for a private institution. The LSHAA is NOT a government entity and is not subject to the machinations of an individual parish. The schools in that parish are subject to them only. So if the Bossier Parish school board consolidates all its schools into one super school, with open enrollment from Caddo Parish, that has NO effect on schools in Lafayette or Orleans parish or any other parish in the state. The LHSAA is forced to accept the changes but they are not governed by them. By this standard, both public and private schools can accept students from anywhere in the world much less the USA. If I take a trip to Puerto Rico for my summer vacation and see studly swinging a bat, he can move to Calcasieu parish and attend any school he wants, public or private. Your standard says, if he accepts a public school it is ok, wink, wink, but if he chooses a private school he has to be ineligible his whole life, must have been recruited and is a cheater. By the way, I know people who after their 8th grade year moved to Lake Charles so that their kid could go to Barbe high school. Once they graduated, they moved back to Lafayette. I know people who lived in Broussard was not accepted into the school of choice program at Acadiana, they rented a house in Scott so their kid could play for Acadiana. (This was after they found out there was not free ride at STM and they did not qualify for general financial assistance.) They did what they thought was best for their child.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 1, 2016 8:33:59 GMT -6
So you not gonna answer the question, or you can't? June 8th will come and go and what? The Weak will still be weak, cowards will still want to cull. And you will still be lame. Geez. And you are from Kinder, that's laughable. I'm guessing your fellow fans want you to go away more than the rest of us! The great majority of LEA's (Local Education Authorities), have assigned zones for their students and do not allow the crossing of parish lines. Some do. This is a rarity and is insignificance. ALL private schools can take kid from ANYWHERE in the NATION. Big difference. Anyways, buh bye. Create your league and go play elsewhere please. The exact same thing is true for public schools. All you have to do, with fewer barriers than a private school is rent an apartment. One parent lives with T-boy the other cross town in the family home. Happens all the time, you can do this for any child from any state not only in the nation, but from any US Territory too. Rent an apartment, claim your separated from the spouse and you have custody. Bam your in like flint. Especially if you have a 4.4 40 and weight 295. To any public school in any parish in the state, from any where in the US or its Territories, and these days from any country in the world as long as you can get across the Mexican border. So Buh Bye, we will leave you with your athletic mediocrity and failed academics.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 1, 2016 8:42:43 GMT -6
I forgot, the question was, Does your parish still follow zones? The answer. Only for the some, not for others. The public system in Lafayette parish allows schools to pick and choose their students through a schools of choice program, plus there is a public STEM high school David Thibodeaux High, that is a highly selective admission school. It is located blocks away from Northside High a failing high school ydt those kids cannot attend DTSTEMHS. All other must go to their zoned school. Unless you can rent an appartment and move across town. Then you can pick and choose your school.
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Post by laprepfb on Jun 1, 2016 8:49:59 GMT -6
So if a private school, Menard for example, only gets students from Rapides Parish just like the public schools they can be non-select also? Menard does not just get kids from Rapides parish so what if does not matter. Are you absolutely certain that every athlete at Kinder resides in Allen Parish? Once again consider your answer carefully.
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Post by gentsandpios on Jun 1, 2016 9:04:40 GMT -6
Menard does not just get kids from Rapides parish so what if does not matter. Are you absolutely certain that every athlete at Kinder resides in Allen Parish? Once again consider your answer carefully. ok I'm curious. You keep asking this question on multiple threads and no one has answered. Do you know the answer and waiting to have a gotcha moment or just asking the question? I know curiosity killed the cat but I'll take my chances and see if you answer.
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 9:11:43 GMT -6
Are you absolutely certain that every athlete at Kinder resides in Allen Parish? Once again consider your answer carefully. ok I'm curious. You keep asking this question on multiple threads and no one has answered. Do you know the answer and waiting to have a gotcha moment or just asking the question? I know curiosity killed the cat but I'll take my chances and see if you answer. Btown and BigBo b plead the fifth on a regular basis so I hope someone answers it!! I took a guess and said 10% of Acadia students cross zones, you probably have a better guess, what do you think it is?
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Post by gentsandpios on Jun 1, 2016 9:26:16 GMT -6
ok I'm curious. You keep asking this question on multiple threads and no one has answered. Do you know the answer and waiting to have a gotcha moment or just asking the question? I know curiosity killed the cat but I'll take my chances and see if you answer. Btown and BigBo b plead the fifth on a regular basis so I hope someone answers it!! I took a guess and said 10% of Acadia students cross zones, you probably have a better guess, what do you think it is? I have no idea on percentages but do know that we get kids from Midland zone that want to play baseball and or football and know some kids that should be zoned for Crowley actually go to Iota. Even know of one kid that lived in Rayne that went to Iota so occurs and has been occurring for years. I don't think it would be 10 percent though as that would be close to 40 kids in any given year at CHS and I don't think it is that high.
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 9:39:56 GMT -6
Btown and BigBo b plead the fifth on a regular basis so I hope someone answers it!! I took a guess and said 10% of Acadia students cross zones, you probably have a better guess, what do you think it is? I have no idea on percentages but do know that we get kids from Midland zone that want to play baseball and or football and know some kids that should be zoned for Crowley actually go to Iota. Even know of one kid that lived in Rayne that went to Iota so occurs and has been occurring for years. I don't think it would be 10 percent though as that would be close to 40 kids in any given year at CHS and I don't think it is that high. I'm guessing Crowley and Rayne are somewhat neutral, they get as many as they lose. Iota is the biggest in out of zone students. They didn't go from a small 2a to a large 3a because of growth to the town. Midland with a 4 day a week class schedule gets a good bit of out of zone kids
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Post by gentsandpios on Jun 1, 2016 10:41:21 GMT -6
I have no idea on percentages but do know that we get kids from Midland zone that want to play baseball and or football and know some kids that should be zoned for Crowley actually go to Iota. Even know of one kid that lived in Rayne that went to Iota so occurs and has been occurring for years. I don't think it would be 10 percent though as that would be close to 40 kids in any given year at CHS and I don't think it is that high. I'm guessing Crowley and Rayne are somewhat neutral, they get as many as they lose. Iota is the biggest in out of zone students. They didn't go from a small 2a to a large 3a because of growth to the town. Midland with a 4 day a week class schedule gets a good bit of out of zone kids Sorry can't speak specifically about Iota or Midland as far as numbers but anecdotally there are a few stories you hear around town of parents that want their kids to go to a country school and then you see their kids at Iota or Midland
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 10:59:27 GMT -6
I'm guessing Crowley and Rayne are somewhat neutral, they get as many as they lose. Iota is the biggest in out of zone students. They didn't go from a small 2a to a large 3a because of growth to the town. Midland with a 4 day a week class schedule gets a good bit of out of zone kids Sorry can't speak specifically about Iota or Midland as far as numbers but anecdotally there are a few stories you hear around town of parents that want their kids to go to a country school and then you see their kids at Iota or Midland I personally think it's good in acadia that parents and principals have that choice. We get hammered with zones, attain, and deny but it's the opposite here. John Daily was the long time principal at iota when they were good. He guarded the boundaries with an iron fist to keep iota in 2a, where they had enormous success. He retired and came to ND where he welcomed anybody that can pay and here too he had great success. Enrollment during his tenure wet from 250 to nearly 500 at the peak. It helped greatly that He hired a great coach and gave him what he needed to succeed.But the splitters think (falsely) the oppisite.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Jun 1, 2016 14:42:39 GMT -6
Says the guy whose school dodged john Curtis and evangel for 30 yrs. Why don't we put everyone together? Play ball! One state champion! I can assure you. No elite team in 2a is afraid to play Notre dame! After stepping on the field with Curtis and evangel, kinder isn't afraid! Don't flatter yourself. Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district. Damn lets get it on then. Oh wait yall didnt want us in the district last year. Ok next year when the new football schedule comes out lets make it happen.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Jun 1, 2016 14:46:03 GMT -6
Glad you brought that up, and glad you feel that way. I'm glad you are not like bigbob and town. They obviously feel they can't compete. So you are against the split also, glad to have you aboard. But I'm guessing the Kinder coaches don't feel the same, they not only want a split, they campaigned hard not to have ND in their district. Why would the ND coach want to make that 120 mile roundtrip to vinton? That would be stupid. I keep hearing this about ND, so thats like Kinder trying to get into a district over in Lafayette. Why would we want to do something like that, unless it benefited us somehow? Dont know of any rivalries with ND, in our district, ever. No difference in us going to Vinton than us going to Jeanerette. Same mileage. We would have no problem going anywhere to play.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Jun 1, 2016 14:51:27 GMT -6
Me and others have asked you repeatedly to answer the question of what is your take on the parishes that don't have or follow zones? You are the one who rants on everything but the answer. And yes I drink a few bottles of medication every once in a while, I would suggest some medicine for you but I don't think you can fix stupid. And I stand by that your comments about Rapides is lame and exposes your true color, yellow. Keep sitting to piss and change your tampon when you done. June 8th BYE!!!!!! So yall not going to join the new association with some of the other publics?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 1, 2016 15:05:23 GMT -6
So you not gonna answer the question, or you can't? June 8th will come and go and what? The Weak will still be weak, cowards will still want to cull. And you will still be lame. Geez. And you are from Kinder, that's laughable. I'm guessing your fellow fans want you to go away more than the rest of us! There attendance zone is their parish only, no over line 1 mile our of parish rule. No issues they gain nothing from it and see no issues. Unlike some small private schools with 5 middle schools able to get kids from many parishes. Happy now. If you would READ you would have seen why they do that it is called first choice and not first choice for sports. Use the internet for more than showing how low your IQ is. Rapides Parish Now let's say that ASH (5A) becomes a powerhouse in baseball, Tioga (4A) in Softball, Peabody (3A) in basketball, Pineville (5A) in football, Bolton (3A) in soccer, .....Are you all of a sudden going to have a problem with the way students are choosing which school they are attending? All Public Schools listed. Would they all of a sudden have to be split and sent to the "select" divisions?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 1, 2016 16:03:08 GMT -6
There attendance zone is their parish only, no over line 1 mile our of parish rule. No issues they gain nothing from it and see no issues. Unlike some small private schools with 5 middle schools able to get kids from many parishes. Happy now. If you would READ you would have seen why they do that it is called first choice and not first choice for sports. Use the internet for more than showing how low your IQ is. Rapides Parish Now let's say that ASH (5A) becomes a powerhouse in baseball, Tioga (4A) in Softball, Peabody (3A) in basketball, Pineville (5A) in football, Bolton (3A) in soccer, .....Are you all of a sudden going to have a problem with the way students are choosing which school they are attending? All Public Schools listed. Would they all of a sudden have to be split and sent to the "select" divisions? Btown, no private school in this state with 5 feeder schools is small. If you have that many feeders you are in a metro area and are either 4A or 5A. Even Notre Dame only has a couple of feeders, St. Michaels in Crowley, Rayne Catholic in Rayne. There are NO other and no out of town feeders for Notre Dame that I know about. One of you Pio fans, if this is not correct let me know. STM the largest private school west of the Mississippi River is 4A and only has 4 feeders, officially. That may change soon, and if it does look for them to be a permanent 5A school. Meanwhile the larger private schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA have a multiplier because they are all boys or all girls school with the exception of Rummel and Shaw. Shaw like STM moves up and down between 4A and 5A and mostly chooses to play 5A to keep the Catholic League whole.
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