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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 16:11:57 GMT -6
Rapides Parish Now let's say that ASH (5A) becomes a powerhouse in baseball, Tioga (4A) in Softball, Peabody (3A) in basketball, Pineville (5A) in football, Bolton (3A) in soccer, .....Are you all of a sudden going to have a problem with the way students are choosing which school they are attending? All Public Schools listed. Would they all of a sudden have to be split and sent to the "select" divisions? Btown, no private school in this state with 5 feeder schools is small. If you have that many feeders you are in a metro area and are either 4A or 5A. Even Notre Dame only has a couple of feeders, St. Michaels in Crowley, Rayne Catholic in Rayne. There are NO other and no out of town feeders for Notre Dame that I know about. One of you Pio fans, if this is not correct let me know. STM the largest private school west of the Mississippi River is 4A and only has 4 feeders, officially. That may change soon, and if it does look for them to be a permanent 5A school. Meanwhile the larger private schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA have a multiplier because they are all boys or all girls school with the exception of Rummel and Shaw. Shaw like STM moves up and down between 4A and 5A and mostly chooses to play 5A to keep the Catholic League whole. We get kids from Redemptorist Catholic also in Crowley, Our Mother of Peace in Church Point, and Our Lady Immaculate in Jennings. 5-6 from each yearly. And maybe 1-2,from st Francis in Iota. All small schools hanging on for dear life. All 4 of these the vast majority of the students go to public high school.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 1, 2016 16:30:17 GMT -6
Btown, no private school in this state with 5 feeder schools is small. If you have that many feeders you are in a metro area and are either 4A or 5A. Even Notre Dame only has a couple of feeders, St. Michaels in Crowley, Rayne Catholic in Rayne. There are NO other and no out of town feeders for Notre Dame that I know about. One of you Pio fans, if this is not correct let me know. STM the largest private school west of the Mississippi River is 4A and only has 4 feeders, officially. That may change soon, and if it does look for them to be a permanent 5A school. Meanwhile the larger private schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA have a multiplier because they are all boys or all girls school with the exception of Rummel and Shaw. Shaw like STM moves up and down between 4A and 5A and mostly chooses to play 5A to keep the Catholic League whole. We get kids from Redemptorist Catholic also in Crowley, Our Mother of Peace in Church Point, and Our Lady Immaculate in Jennings. 5-6 from each yearly. And maybe 1-2,from st Francis in Iota. All small schools hanging on for dear life. All 4 of these the vast majority of the students go to public high school. I forgot about Redemptorist. But are OMOP, OLI, ST F all official feeders? or just schools with no local private high schools? Big difference usually in count and number.
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Post by indy on Jun 1, 2016 17:40:26 GMT -6
We get kids from Redemptorist Catholic also in Crowley, Our Mother of Peace in Church Point, and Our Lady Immaculate in Jennings. 5-6 from each yearly. And maybe 1-2,from st Francis in Iota. All small schools hanging on for dear life. All 4 of these the vast majority of the students go to public high school. I forgot about Redemptorist. But are OMOP, OLI, ST F all official feeders? or just schools with no local private high schools? Big difference usually in count and number. They all are now. OLI use to feed Goretti in Lake Auther. Redemptorist never had a high school they always went to st Mikes before ND. St Francis, OMP, StMikes, and St. Joe all consolidated in 1967 to form ND. ND only gets 60%,of these students, the rest go to public and a few to Northside Christian. Acadia parish also has 9 rural elementary schools that feed the publics along with the 5 Jr highs in the towns. But btown just can't wrap his head around that. He leads the nation in excuses, can you imagine if they opened a private school in Allen Parish! He would shoot himself, probably miss, and be on government support the rest of his life.,
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Post by pioneerforlife on Jun 1, 2016 21:54:41 GMT -6
Rapides Parish Now let's say that ASH (5A) becomes a powerhouse in baseball, Tioga (4A) in Softball, Peabody (3A) in basketball, Pineville (5A) in football, Bolton (3A) in soccer, .....Are you all of a sudden going to have a problem with the way students are choosing which school they are attending? All Public Schools listed. Would they all of a sudden have to be split and sent to the "select" divisions? Btown, no private school in this state with 5 feeder schools is small. If you have that many feeders you are in a metro area and are either 4A or 5A. Even Notre Dame only has a couple of feeders, St. Michaels in Crowley, Rayne Catholic in Rayne. There are NO other and no out of town feeders for Notre Dame that I know about. One of you Pio fans, if this is not correct let me know. STM the largest private school west of the Mississippi River is 4A and only has 4 feeders, officially. That may change soon, and if it does look for them to be a permanent 5A school. Meanwhile the larger private schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA have a multiplier because they are all boys or all girls school with the exception of Rummel and Shaw. Shaw like STM moves up and down between 4A and 5A and mostly chooses to play 5A to keep the Catholic League whole. St Pius, Fatima, St Cecilia. Cathedral. Am i missing anyone else? Do yall draw from St Leo or Carencro Catholic?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 2, 2016 7:47:57 GMT -6
Btown, no private school in this state with 5 feeder schools is small. If you have that many feeders you are in a metro area and are either 4A or 5A. Even Notre Dame only has a couple of feeders, St. Michaels in Crowley, Rayne Catholic in Rayne. There are NO other and no out of town feeders for Notre Dame that I know about. One of you Pio fans, if this is not correct let me know. STM the largest private school west of the Mississippi River is 4A and only has 4 feeders, officially. That may change soon, and if it does look for them to be a permanent 5A school. Meanwhile the larger private schools in Baton Rouge and NOLA have a multiplier because they are all boys or all girls school with the exception of Rummel and Shaw. Shaw like STM moves up and down between 4A and 5A and mostly chooses to play 5A to keep the Catholic League whole. St Pius, Fatima, St Cecilia. Cathedral. Am i missing anyone else? Do yall draw from St Leo or Carencro Catholic? St. Leo, Carencro Catholic and St. Genevive are all Lafayette Parish schools that are part of the Teurlings family, in St. Martin Parish they have St. Bernard. We get an occasional student from all of these schools but nothing steady. There are two new catholic schools in Lafayette Parish, St. Peter and Pauls, which will more than likely feed to STM and Youngsville Catholic which has not opened the doors yet, they are building right now and I understand they already have a waiting list going. Once these schools come on line with matriculation to STM, it will jump the STM enrollment to over 1,100 as the new standard. Currently STM budgets for 1,056 students annually and enrollment has been steadily between 1,080 and 1,100. Of those numbers the school is approximately 65% female. With about 380 boys on campus, over 200 suit up for football annually. Then you have Pope John Paul the Great, which co ed Catholic School located at De La Salle Brothers and St. John Berchmans an all boys school in Grand Coteau the sister school to the Academy of Sacred Heart. LOL....
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 11:24:43 GMT -6
Does anyone really know the difference between the LHSAA zones and the school board zones. Rapides Parish is open/school of choice, so how does the LHSAA divide up Rapides? or any other Parish that is "open"?
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Post by indy on Jun 2, 2016 11:37:04 GMT -6
Does anyone really know the difference between the LHSAA zones and the school board zones. Rapides Parish is open/school of choice, so how does the LHSAA divide up Rapides? or any other Parish that is "open"? Current LHSAA zones are the parishes. They will have to knock the dust off the records to find the old ones!
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 12:00:38 GMT -6
Does anyone really know the difference between the LHSAA zones and the school board zones. Rapides Parish is open/school of choice, so how does the LHSAA divide up Rapides? or any other Parish that is "open"? Current LHSAA zones are the parishes. They will have to knock the dust off the records to find the old ones! I was just wondering, in one of the proposals it state LHSAA traditional zones, wasn't sure what that meant.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 2, 2016 12:09:42 GMT -6
"LHSAA" zones are the same as the school board school zones. the LHSAA doesn't draw any lines where they don't exist
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 2, 2016 12:52:57 GMT -6
"LHSAA" zones are the same as the school board school zones. the LHSAA doesn't draw any lines where they don't exist Ok, so let's look at Menard "select as of now" in Alexandria/Rapides Parish. Their school zone would be Rapides Parish just like the public schools, so if less than 25% of their students come from out of Rapides Parish they wouldn't have the multiplier correct? I know that none of us know the answer as of today but just wondering.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 2, 2016 15:07:53 GMT -6
they're private... should have a multiplier no matter what...
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Post by indy on Jun 2, 2016 15:22:08 GMT -6
they're private... should have a multiplier no matter what... Why?
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Post by warhorsepride on Jun 2, 2016 16:27:11 GMT -6
Ok, so let me clarify some things.
1. Rapides is Open, been since 2007 or 08. 2. The Open Enrollment program was completely initiated for the purpose of controlling athletes from transferring at will. Anything else you're told is BS. The entire meeting where this came up was to secure or deny eligibility for an athlete. 3. The program has now been expanded, to the point that Rapides is now completely open. Not only for freshman year, but all 4 years. If your parents can provide transportation, you meet the academic/behavioral criteria and there is space at the school you choose to attend, you can be accepted but all this is through an application with the school, said student wishes to attend.
In terms of sports, the sit out rule stills applies. Any transfer, if you are an athlete, will be subjected to a one full school year ban from all athletics.
4. Rapides still has attendance zones. They are still in effect if you students choose not to transfer, or don't meet criteria for the application process or there is not enough space.
Because of this the LHSAA considers all public schools in Rapides Parish Non-Select, for the simple fact that, A. none of them can select the percentage of students required to be considered Select. Zoned Students are filled-in first, followed by accepted applicants. B. Technically, the schools don't choose (if done 'properly' they don't) who gets accepted. Its first come, among accepted applicants. Others who would be accepted can be denied, based on availability, therefore 'eliminating choice'. Obviously, that can't be policed properly yet by the LHSAA to say that's whats happening but its what's supposed to and if did would be on the up and up.
Because Rapides sets its on athletic rules, the LHSAA can not override them, they are autonomous as well, if the parish is the zone only to the LHSAA that means all transfers should be immediately eligible but that's not the case is it? Because Rapides says this is our rule, you can not represent our school because we say so, the LHSAA can't say they can unless they go to a private school in parish or a school out of parish but then that would be ineligible if a parish is the zone, right?
Whatever the outcome is the LHSAA needs to tighten up its verbage, and stop trying to protect one side, cause that's all they are doing. Protecting their interests, not students, schools, parents or fans.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 2, 2016 23:18:42 GMT -6
they're private... should have a multiplier no matter what... Why? They have the ability to decide what kids in their zone they want to take, whether they do so or not
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2016 6:05:10 GMT -6
They have the ability to decide what kids in their zone they want to take, whether they do so or not Well all the schools in Rapides should be. Warhorse above just explained in detail that parents get to choose and principals can deny on a multitude of criteria. If that's not hipocracy I don't know what is, even when the extreme splitters knit pick it to death it's still hipocracy. The same as when the split first happened and the definition was select was if 25% of your students were out of zone? What happened to that big voted on by the principals rule? Menard and many other privates fit that criteria?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Jun 3, 2016 6:45:38 GMT -6
Ok, so let me clarify some things. 1. Rapides is Open, been since 2007 or 08. 2. The Open Enrollment program was completely initiated for the purpose of controlling athletes from transferring at will. Anything else you're told is BS. The entire meeting where this came up was to secure or deny eligibility for an athlete. 3. The program has now been expanded, to the point that Rapides is now completely open. Not only for freshman year, but all 4 years. If your parents can provide transportation, you meet the academic/behavioral criteria and there is space at the school you choose to attend, you can be accepted but all this is through an application with the school, said student wishes to attend. In terms of sports, the sit out rule stills applies. Any transfer, if you are an athlete, will be subjected to a one full school year ban from all athletics. 4. Rapides still has attendance zones. They are still in effect if you students choose not to transfer, or don't meet criteria for the application process or there is not enough space. Because of this the LHSAA considers all public schools in Rapides Parish Non-Select, for the simple fact that, A. none of them can select the percentage of students required to be considered Select. Zoned Students are filled-in first, followed by accepted applicants. B. Technically, the schools don't choose (if done 'properly' they don't) who gets accepted. Its first come, among accepted applicants. Others who would be accepted can be denied, based on availability, therefore 'eliminating choice'. Obviously, that can't be policed properly yet by the LHSAA to say that's whats happening but its what's supposed to and if did would be on the up and up. Because Rapides sets its on athletic rules, the LHSAA can not override them, they are autonomous as well, if the parish is the zone only to the LHSAA that means all transfers should be immediately eligible but that's not the case is it? Because Rapides says this is our rule, you can not represent our school because we say so, the LHSAA can't say they can unless they go to a private school in parish or a school out of parish but then that would be ineligible if a parish is the zone, right? Whatever the outcome is the LHSAA needs to tighten up its verbage, and stop trying to protect one side, cause that's all they are doing. Protecting their interests, not students, schools, parents or fans. I appreciate your post, didn't know all the details you do. I hope Peabody has a great year and can get some stability at the coaching position.
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Post by eag on Jun 3, 2016 9:19:43 GMT -6
Ok, so let me clarify some things. 1. Rapides is Open, been since 2007 or 08. 2. The Open Enrollment program was completely initiated for the purpose of controlling athletes from transferring at will. Anything else you're told is BS. The entire meeting where this came up was to secure or deny eligibility for an athlete. 3. The program has now been expanded, to the point that Rapides is now completely open. Not only for freshman year, but all 4 years. If your parents can provide transportation, you meet the academic/behavioral criteria and there is space at the school you choose to attend, you can be accepted but all this is through an application with the school, said student wishes to attend. In terms of sports, the sit out rule stills applies. Any transfer, if you are an athlete, will be subjected to a one full school year ban from all athletics. 4. Rapides still has attendance zones. They are still in effect if you students choose not to transfer, or don't meet criteria for the application process or there is not enough space. Because of this the LHSAA considers all public schools in Rapides Parish Non-Select, for the simple fact that, A. none of them can select the percentage of students required to be considered Select. Zoned Students are filled-in first, followed by accepted applicants. B. Technically, the schools don't choose (if done 'properly' they don't) who gets accepted. Its first come, among accepted applicants. Others who would be accepted can be denied, based on availability, therefore 'eliminating choice'. Obviously, that can't be policed properly yet by the LHSAA to say that's whats happening but its what's supposed to and if did would be on the up and up. Because Rapides sets its on athletic rules, the LHSAA can not override them, they are autonomous as well, if the parish is the zone only to the LHSAA that means all transfers should be immediately eligible but that's not the case is it? Because Rapides says this is our rule, you can not represent our school because we say so, the LHSAA can't say they can unless they go to a private school in parish or a school out of parish but then that would be ineligible if a parish is the zone, right? Whatever the outcome is the LHSAA needs to tighten up its verbage, and stop trying to protect one side, cause that's all they are doing. Protecting their interests, not students, schools, parents or fans. Thanks for the details. That's great knowledge there! Question - Do you think Pineville doesn't meet out of zone criteria? Tons of kids cross the river to go there from Alexandria. Most are going for the Arts program, but they are still out of zone. As far as the acceptance criteria, I'd wager that most private schools are similar to that. They take qualified applicants until full. They may use a religious affiliation criteria ( Lot of Catholic schools prioritize active members of the diocesan churches) but that has zero to do with athletic success.
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Post by warhorsepride on Jun 3, 2016 15:08:10 GMT -6
They have the ability to decide what kids in their zone they want to take, whether they do so or not Well all the schools in Rapides should be. Warhorse above just explained in detail that parents get to choose and principals can deny on a multitude of criteria. If that's not hipocracy I don't know what is, even when the extreme splitters knit pick it to death it's still hipocracy. The same as when the split first happened and the definition was select was if 25% of your students were out of zone? What happened to that big voted on by the principals rule? Menard and many other privates fit that criteria? Actually, what I said was just the opposite. They don't choose 25% of their schools. They have to take all students zoned there first, then first come applicants that meet criteria to fill any remaining spots they have left according to how many students the school board says would have that school filled to capacity for its building and staff. Tioga and ASH are already pretty much at those limits. Then Pineville is getting close. Secondly, principals do not establish or decide this criteria, or who is accepted. It is completely at the school board level, unlike the magnet programs were. This isn't a school by school initiative, positions were at the office so that they could handle undertaking this initiative themselves. If you meet the requirements and there are spots available because you applied early enough, then you are automatically accepted, schools and principals can't accept or deny.
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Post by warhorsepride on Jun 3, 2016 15:22:25 GMT -6
Ok, so let me clarify some things. 1. Rapides is Open, been since 2007 or 08. 2. The Open Enrollment program was completely initiated for the purpose of controlling athletes from transferring at will. Anything else you're told is BS. The entire meeting where this came up was to secure or deny eligibility for an athlete. 3. The program has now been expanded, to the point that Rapides is now completely open. Not only for freshman year, but all 4 years. If your parents can provide transportation, you meet the academic/behavioral criteria and there is space at the school you choose to attend, you can be accepted but all this is through an application with the school, said student wishes to attend. In terms of sports, the sit out rule stills applies. Any transfer, if you are an athlete, will be subjected to a one full school year ban from all athletics. 4. Rapides still has attendance zones. They are still in effect if you students choose not to transfer, or don't meet criteria for the application process or there is not enough space. Because of this the LHSAA considers all public schools in Rapides Parish Non-Select, for the simple fact that, A. none of them can select the percentage of students required to be considered Select. Zoned Students are filled-in first, followed by accepted applicants. B. Technically, the schools don't choose (if done 'properly' they don't) who gets accepted. Its first come, among accepted applicants. Others who would be accepted can be denied, based on availability, therefore 'eliminating choice'. Obviously, that can't be policed properly yet by the LHSAA to say that's whats happening but its what's supposed to and if did would be on the up and up. Because Rapides sets its on athletic rules, the LHSAA can not override them, they are autonomous as well, if the parish is the zone only to the LHSAA that means all transfers should be immediately eligible but that's not the case is it? Because Rapides says this is our rule, you can not represent our school because we say so, the LHSAA can't say they can unless they go to a private school in parish or a school out of parish but then that would be ineligible if a parish is the zone, right? Whatever the outcome is the LHSAA needs to tighten up its verbage, and stop trying to protect one side, cause that's all they are doing. Protecting their interests, not students, schools, parents or fans. Thanks for the details. That's great knowledge there! Question - Do you think Pineville doesn't meet out of zone criteria? Tons of kids cross the river to go there from Alexandria. Most are going for the Arts program, but they are still out of zone. As far as the acceptance criteria, I'd wager that most private schools are similar to that. They take qualified applicants until full. They may use a religious affiliation criteria ( Lot of Catholic schools prioritize active members of the diocesan churches) but that has zero to do with athletic success. A. The Magnet part of the Arts Program at Pineville has be discontinued, so they are no longer magnet. Secondly, because of the the Rapides Parish School Board, no. Pineville and Tioga both have zones that cross over into Alexandria and primarily bite on territory that is closer to Bolton and Peabody. Its been a issue since they did the big redraw in 2000 and has never been really resolved. They made some minor adjustments that will gradually take effect over the next 4 years but they aren't good enough. Here are the zones: (Peabody Link didn't work so I used Arthur Smith's link which the zone is identical and school next door) Comprehensive Metro Area MapPineville ZoneTioga ZoneBolton ZonePeabody Zone
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2016 18:30:31 GMT -6
Thanks for the details. That's great knowledge there! Question - Do you think Pineville doesn't meet out of zone criteria? Tons of kids cross the river to go there from Alexandria. Most are going for the Arts program, but they are still out of zone. As far as the acceptance criteria, I'd wager that most private schools are similar to that. They take qualified applicants until full. They may use a religious affiliation criteria ( Lot of Catholic schools prioritize active members of the diocesan churches) but that has zero to do with athletic success. A. The Magnet part of the Arts Program at Pineville has be discontinued, so they are no longer magnet. Secondly, because of the the Rapides Parish School Board, no. Pineville and Tioga both have zones that cross over into Alexandria and primarily bite on territory that is closer to Bolton and Peabody. Its been a issue since they did the big redraw in 2000 and has never been really resolved. They made some minor adjustments that will gradually take effect over the next 4 years but they aren't good enough. Here are the zones: (Peabody Link didn't work so I used Arthur Smith's link which the zone is identical and school next door) Comprehensive Metro Area MapPineville ZoneTioga ZoneBolton ZonePeabody ZoneAll good and interesting info. But it just proves we have a bunch of unique situations state wide, public and private. To me that is what made the LHSAA special, it's gonna be sad to watch it implode.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 7:02:53 GMT -6
A. The Magnet part of the Arts Program at Pineville has be discontinued, so they are no longer magnet. Secondly, because of the the Rapides Parish School Board, no. Pineville and Tioga both have zones that cross over into Alexandria and primarily bite on territory that is closer to Bolton and Peabody. Its been a issue since they did the big redraw in 2000 and has never been really resolved. They made some minor adjustments that will gradually take effect over the next 4 years but they aren't good enough. Here are the zones: (Peabody Link didn't work so I used Arthur Smith's link which the zone is identical and school next door) Comprehensive Metro Area MapPineville ZoneTioga ZoneBolton ZonePeabody ZoneAll good and interesting info. But it just proves we have a bunch of unique situations state wide, public and private. To me that is what made the LHSAA special, it's gonna be sad to watch it implode. It shows that some parishes will take what ever steps necessary to keep all their public schools in the NON SELECT Division, even to the point that they will change their schools from Magnet to traditional for athletic purposes. It shows that public schools are willing to bend the spirit of the rules to accommodate their local whim. Even if a private school where to self impose a rule, to accept the attendance zone as established by the LHSAA as the only zone for athletic participation at that school, the LHSAA and public school principals would not allow them into the NON Select division. Yet, any Magnet school can get their status changed and they will be moved to Non Select. You see the rationale will be that private schools even though they agree to only play with in zone students will have an advantage because they can deny enrollment. The movement to split was NEVER based on fair competition, what was good for the students or the actual constitution and by-laws of the LHSAA. It was 100% based on hatred for all private schools who take dollars out of the public system. It's all about the attempt to diminish private schools thus keeping dollars in the public sector. I have detailed this in other threads.
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Post by indy on Jun 6, 2016 7:43:56 GMT -6
All good and interesting info. But it just proves we have a bunch of unique situations state wide, public and private. To me that is what made the LHSAA special, it's gonna be sad to watch it implode. It shows that some parishes will take what ever steps necessary to keep all their public schools in the NON SELECT Division, even to the point that they will change their schools from Magnet to traditional for athletic purposes. It shows that public schools are willing to bend the spirit of the rules to accommodate their local whim. Even if a private school where to self impose a rule, to accept the attendance zone as established by the LHSAA as the only zone for athletic participation at that school, the LHSAA and public school principals would not allow them into the NON Select division. Yet, any Magnet school can get their status changed and they will be moved to Non Select. You see the rationale will be that private schools even though they agree to only play with in zone students will have an advantage because they can deny enrollment. The movement to split was NEVER based on fair competition, what was good for the students or the actual constitution and by-laws of the LHSAA. It was 100% based on hatred for all private schools who take dollars out of the public system. It's all about the attempt to diminish private schools thus keeping dollars in the public sector. I have detailed this in other threads. Funny thing is they add dollars to the public schools. The LPSS (and all parishes) is suppose to have enough revenue to educate all the students of Lafayette parish. What would happen if every private students parents went register them for public school this summer? Parishes without privates don't understand this but it would bankrupt those with multiple privates.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 11:16:07 GMT -6
It shows that some parishes will take what ever steps necessary to keep all their public schools in the NON SELECT Division, even to the point that they will change their schools from Magnet to traditional for athletic purposes. It shows that public schools are willing to bend the spirit of the rules to accommodate their local whim. Even if a private school where to self impose a rule, to accept the attendance zone as established by the LHSAA as the only zone for athletic participation at that school, the LHSAA and public school principals would not allow them into the NON Select division. Yet, any Magnet school can get their status changed and they will be moved to Non Select. You see the rationale will be that private schools even though they agree to only play with in zone students will have an advantage because they can deny enrollment. The movement to split was NEVER based on fair competition, what was good for the students or the actual constitution and by-laws of the LHSAA. It was 100% based on hatred for all private schools who take dollars out of the public system. It's all about the attempt to diminish private schools thus keeping dollars in the public sector. I have detailed this in other threads. Funny thing is they add dollars to the public schools. The LPSS (and all parishes) is suppose to have enough revenue to educate all the students of Lafayette parish. What would happen if every private students parents went register them for public school this summer? Parishes without privates don't understand this but it would bankrupt those with multiple privates. How do parishes without privates educate students without going bankrupt? You don't think these parishes with multiple privates could make it work?
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 13:56:40 GMT -6
Funny thing is they add dollars to the public schools. The LPSS (and all parishes) is suppose to have enough revenue to educate all the students of Lafayette parish. What would happen if every private students parents went register them for public school this summer? Parishes without privates don't understand this but it would bankrupt those with multiple privates. How do parishes without privates educate students without going bankrupt? You don't think these parishes with multiple privates could make it work? Here's the thing, where do you put the nearly 6,000+ privately educated students in Lafayette Parish? Every public school is at capacity with the exception of Northside High school and this includes primary and elementary schools. Get rid of every private high school and you increase enrollment by about 2,500 high school students. Where do they go, even if you build two new high schools, you still would have terrible over crowding? In BR and NOLA double and triple those numbers of private school students. You are looking at $20MM to $30MM per new high school? Who is going to fund the construction? If you forced every private school to close, do you really think those pocket books will continue to pay for substandard education? Yes, it would nearly bankrupt the public sector if you forced all private schools to close. And not just Lafayette Parish schools which are operating in the red and facing teacher reductions and cost overruns this summer. Meanwhile Acadiana, Lafayette High, Comeaux and Northside are being neglected and putting off maintenance AGAIN.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 6, 2016 14:04:15 GMT -6
How do parishes without privates educate students without going bankrupt? You don't think these parishes with multiple privates could make it work? Here's the thing, where do you put the nearly 6,000+ privately educated students in Lafayette Parish? Every public school is at capacity with the exception of Northside High school and this includes primary and elementary schools. Get rid of every private high school and you increase enrollment by about 2,500 high school students. Where do they go, even if you build two new high schools, you still would have terrible over crowding? In BR and NOLA double and triple those numbers of private school students. You are looking at $20MM to $30MM per new high school? Who is going to fund the construction? If you forced every private school to close, do you really think those pocket books will continue to pay for substandard education? Yes, it would nearly bankrupt the public sector if you forced all private schools to close. And not just Lafayette Parish schools which are operating in the red and facing teacher reductions and cost overruns this summer. Meanwhile Acadiana, Lafayette High, Comeaux and Northside are being neglected and putting off maintenance AGAIN. Not to mention those giant clusters in Baton Rouge, St. Landry, St. Martin and Acadia Parishes. St. Landry can't find teachers now and has huge budget problems. St. Martin Parish has only one private school, St. Bernard in Breaux Bridge, but most private school students from St. Martinville go to Broussard or New Iberia to attend. St. Landry has multiple private schools as does St. Mary Parish. It becomes a logistic nightmare if you legislate the closure of private schools.
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Post by indy on Jun 6, 2016 19:00:31 GMT -6
Here's the thing, where do you put the nearly 6,000+ privately educated students in Lafayette Parish? Every public school is at capacity with the exception of Northside High school and this includes primary and elementary schools. Get rid of every private high school and you increase enrollment by about 2,500 high school students. Where do they go, even if you build two new high schools, you still would have terrible over crowding? In BR and NOLA double and triple those numbers of private school students. You are looking at $20MM to $30MM per new high school? Who is going to fund the construction? If you forced every private school to close, do you really think those pocket books will continue to pay for substandard education? Yes, it would nearly bankrupt the public sector if you forced all private schools to close. And not just Lafayette Parish schools which are operating in the red and facing teacher reductions and cost overruns this summer. Meanwhile Acadiana, Lafayette High, Comeaux and Northside are being neglected and putting off maintenance AGAIN. Not to mention those giant clusters in Baton Rouge, St. Landry, St. Martin and Acadia Parishes. St. Landry can't find teachers now and has huge budget problems. St. Martin Parish has only one private school, St. Bernard in Breaux Bridge, but most private school students from St. Martinville go to Broussard or New Iberia to attend. St. Landry has multiple private schools as does St. Mary Parish. It becomes a logistic nightmare if you legislate the closure of private schools. Charter schools are a bigger detriment to the public schools budget. They get the prorated money per student whereas the private students leave 100% of there dollars to the public system.
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Post by iknownuthing on Jun 7, 2016 7:51:33 GMT -6
Not to mention those giant clusters in Baton Rouge, St. Landry, St. Martin and Acadia Parishes. St. Landry can't find teachers now and has huge budget problems. St. Martin Parish has only one private school, St. Bernard in Breaux Bridge, but most private school students from St. Martinville go to Broussard or New Iberia to attend. St. Landry has multiple private schools as does St. Mary Parish. It becomes a logistic nightmare if you legislate the closure of private schools. Charter schools are a bigger detriment to the public schools budget. They get the prorated money per student whereas the private students leave 100% of there dollars to the public system. I see Charters as the greater threat to all TRADITIONAL public education in Louisiana. First, they are a mixed bag of public/private institution that lay partially out of the control of public school teachers. School boards fear them, because they diminish the boards political power once approved. Public school principals hate them because not only do they take students and dollars from them, they also take the political clout away from them. It removes the student from the indoctrination they get in the now traditional public sector. There is a reason why most private (particularly Catholic) education is so successful. It is generational. If your parents sent you to a private school the probability is you will do what ever it takes to make sure your kids also get the chance for a better educational opportunity. Charters give a whole new class of people the chance to gain that educational choice and search for excellence. Private education, Charters, Labs and Magnets are the schools that will lead Louisiana out of its educational desert. Traditional Public education will NEVER be able to do this because it has a focus on the number of students to get $$$$. All of the others will be closed if they do not educate. Publics just keep on spending and that is why Charters are a big problem. They ingrain success from generation to generation why traditional public schools has ingrained failure over generations.
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