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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 10:19:17 GMT -6
The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette area newspaper, recently ran a series of articles centered around student athletes jumping zones, transferring under hardships, and recruiting those athletes. In the article where they focused on Iberia parish the coaches place the blame on AAU league mentalities that seem to have crept up into varsity athletics. Don’t like your coach, position, or playing time? Just switch leagues, or in this case schools. In Florida they passed legislation that a transfer athlete can be immediately eligible as long as they don’t attend practice with the old school. So you can play football at Acadiana, then switch to STM for baseball with no penalties. The coaches say it reduces loyalty and pride within the schools with kids knowing that they could leave without penalty. What is the board’s thought on this take? Are AAU leagues to blame? Or is it something else?
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Post by indy on Aug 1, 2018 10:26:14 GMT -6
The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette area newspaper, recently ran a series of articles centered around student athletes jumping zones, transferring under hardships, and recruiting those athletes. In the article where they focused on Iberia parish the coaches place the blame on AAU league mentalities that seem to have crept up into varsity athletics. Don’t like your coach, position, or playing time? Just switch leagues, or in this case schools. In Florida they passed legislation that a transfer athlete can be immediately eligible as long as they don’t attend practice with the old school. So you can play football at Acadiana, then switch to STM for baseball with no penalties. The coaches say it reduces loyalty and pride within the schools with kids knowing that they could leave without penalty. What is the board’s thought on this take? Are AAU leagues to blame? Or is it something else? It’s definitely part of the problem but you have to add having self serving weak principals running the LHSAA. They are the ones who allowed rules to fit the crime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 10:41:30 GMT -6
I blame parents as well. They feed into this travel ball mentality and don’t tell their kids to work harder. Why waste time teaching kids anything? Just let them go to school somewhere else. Pine Prairie had it happen with baseball the last two years...both kids transferred to Glenmora rather than stay to help their home school. Thankfully there aren’t any football schools nearby except Basile and SHVP.
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Post by mt on Aug 1, 2018 12:36:44 GMT -6
The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette area newspaper, recently ran a series of articles centered around student athletes jumping zones, transferring under hardships, and recruiting those athletes. In the article where they focused on Iberia parish the coaches place the blame on AAU league mentalities that seem to have crept up into varsity athletics. Don’t like your coach, position, or playing time? Just switch leagues, or in this case schools. In Florida they passed legislation that a transfer athlete can be immediately eligible as long as they don’t attend practice with the old school. So you can play football at Acadiana, then switch to STM for baseball with no penalties. The coaches say it reduces loyalty and pride within the schools with kids knowing that they could leave without penalty. What is the board’s thought on this take? Are AAU leagues to blame? Or is it something else? I think some want the opportunity to compete for a title. I think some want what they perceive to be a better opportunity at a shot at the next level. Not sure if that’s the AAU effect. Florida and California both have relaxed rules on transfers. Happens frequently
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Post by doublej on Aug 1, 2018 14:25:09 GMT -6
All transfers,legit or not, should have to sit one year. It's a hardline, but it would put a stop to school jumping.
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Post by indy on Aug 1, 2018 14:30:55 GMT -6
All transfers,legit or not, should have to sit one year. It's a hardline, but it would put a stop to school jumping. I agree. But we need a LHSAA with a backbone to enforce it. And the LHSAA needs to do away with all the silly rules which makes almost every case a legit move. If they don’t have rules or enforce them then we definitely have no basis for the split.
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Post by mt on Aug 1, 2018 14:36:34 GMT -6
All transfers,legit or not, should have to sit one year. It's a hardline, but it would put a stop to school jumping. I agree. But we need a LHSAA with a backbone to enforce it. And the LHSAA needs to do away with all the silly rules which makes almost every case a legit move. If they don’t have rules or enforce them then we definitely have no basis for the split. What would that solve though? What if the kid doesn’t want to be there anymore. Or parents don’t want them there anymore? Or have a legitimate hardship? I get the rule for the “bad apples” but in the end who’s it hurting
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Post by sportfanattic on Aug 1, 2018 14:46:20 GMT -6
All transfers,legit or not, should have to sit one year. It's a hardline, but it would put a stop to school jumping. I agree. But we need a LHSAA with a backbone to enforce it. And the LHSAA needs to do away with all the silly rules which makes almost every case a legit move. If they don’t have rules or enforce them then we definitely have no basis for the split. So it's cool to penalize a kid in sports for parents deciding to move? Man that's harsh.
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Post by indy on Aug 1, 2018 14:46:27 GMT -6
I agree. But we need a LHSAA with a backbone to enforce it. And the LHSAA needs to do away with all the silly rules which makes almost every case a legit move. If they don’t have rules or enforce them then we definitely have no basis for the split. What would that solve though? What if the kid doesn’t want to be there anymore. Or parents don’t want them there anymore? Or have a legitimate hardship? I get the rule for the “bad apples” but in the end who’s it hurting Well then if any kid can go to any school for any reason then the only basis for a split would be tuition/ no tuition.
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Post by mt on Aug 1, 2018 14:52:21 GMT -6
What would that solve though? What if the kid doesn’t want to be there anymore. Or parents don’t want them there anymore? Or have a legitimate hardship? I get the rule for the “bad apples” but in the end who’s it hurting Well then if any kid can go to any school for any reason then the only basis for a split would be tuition/ no tuition. I agree.
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Post by indy on Aug 1, 2018 18:33:32 GMT -6
Well then if any kid can go to any school for any reason then the only basis for a split would be tuition/ no tuition. I agree. It’s hard to figure what people really want? Public school supporters seem to want all of the perceived perks and no zones that private schools supposedly have that caused the split. But they still think the split is warranted. Seems kind of hypocritical to me. And I think it’s rather ironic that this open border mentality happened right after the split.
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Post by doublej on Aug 2, 2018 6:09:22 GMT -6
I agree. But we need a LHSAA with a backbone to enforce it. And the LHSAA needs to do away with all the silly rules which makes almost every case a legit move. If they don’t have rules or enforce them then we definitely have no basis for the split. So it's cool to penalize a kid in sports for parents deciding to move? Man that's harsh. It's harsh but the only solution that will put a stop to it.
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Post by amirightladies on Aug 2, 2018 6:56:12 GMT -6
So it's cool to penalize a kid in sports for parents deciding to move? Man that's harsh. It's harsh but the only solution that will put a stop to it. I tell people this same thing. Nobody likes it. Makes them upset. And I get it that it's not big Cam's fault that his mom got a job alllll the way across the river in West Monroe so they really had no choice but to move (I mean, how could he have possibly kept attending school alllll the way across the river and almost 15 miles away. That's almost a 20 minute drive man!), but I agree doubleJ, there really isn't any other way to stop it. Of course I'm sure this would lead to crazy lawsuits and some judge somewhere would rule that, for some reason, a private organization (the LHSAA) doesn't have the right to make its own rules to govern its own members. I'd even agree to a 75 mile rule. If you move 75 miles away, I guess I'll agree it's probably a legit move. But I've watched West Monroe snatch kids from Ruston, Tallulah, Bastrop.... Neville has done the same. Ruston has a whole parish to draw from since they don't allow football anywhere but Ruston High... Oak Grove does the same thing as Ruston....OCS runs a bus to Ruston! I guess the point is that these schools are never going to stop trying to find a way to "recruit" if you want to call it that, and they're always going to bring kids across parish lines, across school zones, etc. But you could at least shut down the sudden 9th and 10th grade transfers that we see way too often, especially involving certain schools. I'm glad to see the LHSAA bust some of the outlandish cheaters like they did SLAB last year, but if they'd just make a simple rule and enforce it, they might for once actually be effective. Assuming they don't immediately repeal it like they did the Cam Robinson rule
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Post by indy on Aug 2, 2018 7:21:33 GMT -6
It's harsh but the only solution that will put a stop to it. I tell people this same thing. Nobody likes it. Makes them upset. And I get it that it's not big Cam's fault that his mom got a job alllll the way across the river in West Monroe so they really had no choice but to move (I mean, how could he have possibly kept attending school alllll the way across the river and almost 15 miles away. That's almost a 20 minute drive man!), but I agree doubleJ, there really isn't any other way to stop it. Of course I'm sure this would lead to crazy lawsuits and some judge somewhere would rule that, for some reason, a private organization (the LHSAA) doesn't have the right to make its own rules to govern its own members. I'd even agree to a 75 mile rule. If you move 75 miles away, I guess I'll agree it's probably a legit move. But I've watched West Monroe snatch kids from Ruston, Tallulah, Bastrop.... Neville has done the same. Ruston has a whole parish to draw from since they don't allow football anywhere but Ruston High... Oak Grove does the same thing as Ruston....OCS runs a bus to Ruston! I guess the point is that these schools are never going to stop trying to find a way to "recruit" if you want to call it that, and they're always going to bring kids across parish lines, across school zones, etc. But you could at least shut down the sudden 9th and 10th grade transfers that we see way too often, especially involving certain schools. I'm glad to see the LHSAA bust some of the outlandish cheaters like they did SLAB last year, but if they'd just make a simple rule and enforce it, they might for once actually be effective. Assuming they don't immediately repeal it like they did the Cam Robinson rule The LHSAA so called “bust” you are referring to was self reported. The LHSAA investigators must have been trained by Barney Fife. The recent McKinley “bust” was also self reported. The LHSAA is controlled by self serving s, the rules are a reflection of their greed and stupidity.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 2, 2018 7:27:14 GMT -6
Whats the answer to make it black and white because as of now there is to much grey area, is there an answer?
Do we draw a 30 mile radius circle around every school (public, private, magnet, charter, etc) and this determines their "home school" and attendance zone. If a kid falls inside 2, 3 ,or 4 circles he can choose ONE time, should he/she choose to leave and attend another school they are "inside" they must sit out one year, no questions asked. If they move, with their legal guardians, from one circle to another circle they are eligible. I know there are possible parts of the state that the 30 mile circle would not cover, but it may be very rare.
Not saying this is the answer just something to throw against the wall.
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Post by BGH on Aug 2, 2018 8:13:50 GMT -6
You guys are way over-analyzing this situation.
The public school principals have already solved all these issues with a very simple fix. The solution was FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
If you are worried about attendance zones, all we need to fix the problem is FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
If you are worried about transfers, all we need to fix the problem is FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR! Everything else is irrelevant so long as there are FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
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Post by indy on Aug 2, 2018 9:28:43 GMT -6
You guys are way over-analyzing this situation.
The public school principals have already solved all these issues with a very simple fix. The solution was FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
If you are worried about attendance zones, all we need to fix the problem is FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
If you are worried about transfers, all we need to fix the problem is FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR! Everything else is irrelevant so long as there are FIVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS EVERY YEAR!
It might be a good time to invest in the gender-neutral bathroom business.
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Post by mt on Aug 2, 2018 9:52:14 GMT -6
Whats the answer to make it black and white because as of now there is to much grey area, is there an answer? Do we draw a 30 mile radius circle around every school (public, private, magnet, charter, etc) and this determines their "home school" and attendance zone. If a kid falls inside 2, 3 ,or 4 circles he can choose ONE time, should he/she choose to leave and attend another school they are "inside" they must sit out one year, no questions asked. If they move, with their legal guardians, from one circle to another circle they are eligible. I know there are possible parts of the state that the 30 mile circle would not cover, but it may be very rare. Not saying this is the answer just something to throw against the wall. Wish there was a black and white better solution. I believe Florida has pretty much an open transfer policy long as you don’t practice California is something to the extent of transfers have to sit out first four games unless CIF allows immediate eligibility Texas cares nothing about TAPPS lol it’s all about the UIL but if you go from private back to public you have to sit out. Also think you get to choose the school before you start HS and if you transfer you sit out. Something like that. All seem like fairer solutions than what we have. But if a parent sees fit to move their child o what they think is a better opportunity hard for me to disagree
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Post by indy on Aug 2, 2018 10:42:39 GMT -6
Whats the answer to make it black and white because as of now there is to much grey area, is there an answer? Do we draw a 30 mile radius circle around every school (public, private, magnet, charter, etc) and this determines their "home school" and attendance zone. If a kid falls inside 2, 3 ,or 4 circles he can choose ONE time, should he/she choose to leave and attend another school they are "inside" they must sit out one year, no questions asked. If they move, with their legal guardians, from one circle to another circle they are eligible. I know there are possible parts of the state that the 30 mile circle would not cover, but it may be very rare. Not saying this is the answer just something to throw against the wall. Wish there was a black and white better solution. I believe Florida has pretty much an open transfer policy long as you don’t practice California is something to the extent of transfers have to sit out first four games unless CIF allows immediate eligibility Texas cares nothing about TAPPS lol it’s all about the UIL but if you go from private back to public you have to sit out. Also think you get to choose the school before you start HS and if you transfer you sit out. Something like that. All seem like fairer solutions than what we have. But if a parent sees fit to move their child o what they think is a better opportunity hard for me to disagree Well, he in Louisiana we have open dysfunction. We basically have no zones, and any school that has one, it is irrelevant since you can switch schools because yours doesn’t offer a particular sport. It really makes the principals look like hypocrites now!
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Post by wildcat on Aug 2, 2018 11:54:59 GMT -6
Whats the answer to make it black and white because as of now there is to much grey area, is there an answer? Do we draw a 30 mile radius circle around every school (public, private, magnet, charter, etc) and this determines their "home school" and attendance zone. If a kid falls inside 2, 3 ,or 4 circles he can choose ONE time, should he/she choose to leave and attend another school they are "inside" they must sit out one year, no questions asked. If they move, with their legal guardians, from one circle to another circle they are eligible. I know there are possible parts of the state that the 30 mile circle would not cover, but it may be very rare. Not saying this is the answer just something to throw against the wall. Wish there was a black and white better solution. I believe Florida has pretty much an open transfer policy long as you don’t practice California is something to the extent of transfers have to sit out first four games unless CIF allows immediate eligibility Texas cares nothing about TAPPS lol it’s all about the UIL but if you go from private back to public you have to sit out. Also think you get to choose the school before you start HS and if you transfer you sit out. Something like that. All seem like fairer solutions than what we have. But if a parent sees fit to move their child o what they think is a better opportunity hard for me to disagree Do we just go with no zones and open transfers. Each athlete is allowed 1 transfer free of charge, 2nd transfer is sit out one year, 3rd transfer your ineligible for rest of high school career?
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Post by mt on Aug 2, 2018 12:01:08 GMT -6
Wish there was a black and white better solution. I believe Florida has pretty much an open transfer policy long as you don’t practice California is something to the extent of transfers have to sit out first four games unless CIF allows immediate eligibility Texas cares nothing about TAPPS lol it’s all about the UIL but if you go from private back to public you have to sit out. Also think you get to choose the school before you start HS and if you transfer you sit out. Something like that. All seem like fairer solutions than what we have. But if a parent sees fit to move their child o what they think is a better opportunity hard for me to disagree Do we just go with no zones and open transfers. Each athlete is allowed 1 transfer free of charge, 2nd transfer is sit out one year, 3rd transfer your ineligible for rest of high school career? I think that is a much better alternative than completely shutting a kid out for something that’s essentially a parent/guardian decision. Now if they, the adult, chooses to have sports trump education, that is their walk with God.
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Post by indy on Aug 2, 2018 19:26:25 GMT -6
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Post by pinion on Aug 3, 2018 0:55:27 GMT -6
Do we just go with no zones and open transfers. Each athlete is allowed 1 transfer free of charge, 2nd transfer is sit out one year, 3rd transfer your ineligible for rest of high school career? I think that is a much better alternative than completely shutting a kid out for something that’s essentially a parent/guardian decision. Now if they, the adult, chooses to have sports trump education, that is their walk with God. That's better than what it is now. I'd rather it be that you get 1 transfer in high school. A kid could pick a school, coming out of middle school into high school. If that doesn't work out, then he gets 1 transfer. If a move is going to cause a transfer, it needs to be 100 miles or more and it needs to be a legit family move. Not going to stay with their uncle and auntie in Belaire. Here in Texas, I can send our kid to 1 of 5 or so schools that are in our district (Leander ISD). But I think in order to do that, the school we wanted to send him to would have to be accepting students from outside of the schools attendance zone (within the district). As it stands, we are in the Vandegrift HS attendance zone, but there are a few kids that go to Cedar Park HS and Leander HS (we live in apartments). Lake Travis HS is right up the road (closer than Leander HS), but we cant send him there because we don't reside in that district. If we moved right now, he could go there but he wouldn't be able to play any sports this year. When we moved here last year, he was immediately eligible because we were moving from out of state.
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Post by btown on Aug 3, 2018 10:48:05 GMT -6
The Daily Advertiser, Lafayette area newspaper, recently ran a series of articles centered around student athletes jumping zones, transferring under hardships, and recruiting those athletes. In the article where they focused on Iberia parish the coaches place the blame on AAU league mentalities that seem to have crept up into varsity athletics. Don’t like your coach, position, or playing time? Just switch leagues, or in this case schools. In Florida they passed legislation that a transfer athlete can be immediately eligible as long as they don’t attend practice with the old school. So you can play football at Acadiana, then switch to STM for baseball with no penalties. The coaches say it reduces loyalty and pride within the schools with kids knowing that they could leave without penalty. What is the board’s thought on this take? Are AAU leagues to blame? Or is it something else? It’s definitely part of the problem but you have to add having self serving weak principals running the LHSAA. They are the ones who allowed rules to fit the crime. Bonine runnes LHSAA.
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Post by mt on Aug 3, 2018 10:52:55 GMT -6
I think that is a much better alternative than completely shutting a kid out for something that’s essentially a parent/guardian decision. Now if they, the adult, chooses to have sports trump education, that is their walk with God. That's better than what it is now. I'd rather it be that you get 1 transfer in high school. A kid could pick a school, coming out of middle school into high school. If that doesn't work out, then he gets 1 transfer. If a move is going to cause a transfer, it needs to be 100 miles or more and it needs to be a legit family move. Not going to stay with their uncle and auntie in Belaire. Here in Texas, I can send our kid to 1 of 5 or so schools that are in our district (Leander ISD). But I think in order to do that, the school we wanted to send him to would have to be accepting students from outside of the schools attendance zone (within the district). As it stands, we are in the Vandegrift HS attendance zone, but there are a few kids that go to Cedar Park HS and Leander HS (we live in apartments). Lake Travis HS is right up the road (closer than Leander HS), but we cant send him there because we don't reside in that district. If we moved right now, he could go there but he wouldn't be able to play any sports this year. When we moved here last year, he was immediately eligible because we were moving from out of state. Perfectly fine with this. Think it’s the optimal solution
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Post by indy on Aug 3, 2018 11:19:52 GMT -6
It’s definitely part of the problem but you have to add having self serving weak principals running the LHSAA. They are the ones who allowed rules to fit the crime. Bonine runnes LHSAA. Sorry, 2/3+ of the self serving principals run Bonine
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Post by bigred on Aug 4, 2018 4:28:43 GMT -6
Question, if a kid had to move to a new school in a different parish,(his mother moved to Pennsylvania for work, he didnt want to go so he moved in with another family in a different town) does he have to still sit out a whole year?
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Post by btown on Aug 4, 2018 5:42:09 GMT -6
Sorry, 2/3+ of the self serving principals run Bonine Can you please get on a new wagon. Would like to start some new arguements with you. We have beat this heart to death and I have a life supply of soap. LOL
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Post by indy on Aug 4, 2018 10:06:29 GMT -6
Sorry, 2/3+ of the self serving principals run Bonine Can you please get on a new wagon. Would like to start some new arguements with you. We have beat this heart to death and I have a life supply of soap. LOL When I set all you s strait then I will rest my case.
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Post by iknownuthing on Aug 4, 2018 10:20:38 GMT -6
I tell people this same thing. Nobody likes it. Makes them upset. And I get it that it's not big Cam's fault that his mom got a job alllll the way across the river in West Monroe so they really had no choice but to move (I mean, how could he have possibly kept attending school alllll the way across the river and almost 15 miles away. That's almost a 20 minute drive man!), but I agree doubleJ, there really isn't any other way to stop it. Of course I'm sure this would lead to crazy lawsuits and some judge somewhere would rule that, for some reason, a private organization (the LHSAA) doesn't have the right to make its own rules to govern its own members. I'd even agree to a 75 mile rule. If you move 75 miles away, I guess I'll agree it's probably a legit move. But I've watched West Monroe snatch kids from Ruston, Tallulah, Bastrop.... Neville has done the same. Ruston has a whole parish to draw from since they don't allow football anywhere but Ruston High... Oak Grove does the same thing as Ruston....OCS runs a bus to Ruston! I guess the point is that these schools are never going to stop trying to find a way to "recruit" if you want to call it that, and they're always going to bring kids across parish lines, across school zones, etc. But you could at least shut down the sudden 9th and 10th grade transfers that we see way too often, especially involving certain schools. I'm glad to see the LHSAA bust some of the outlandish cheaters like they did SLAB last year, but if they'd just make a simple rule and enforce it, they might for once actually be effective. Assuming they don't immediately repeal it like they did the Cam Robinson rule The LHSAA so called “bust” you are referring to was self reported. The LHSAA investigators must have been trained by Barney Fife. The recent McKinley “bust” was also self reported. The LHSAA is controlled by self serving s, the rules are a reflection of their greed and stupidity. This is how the self reporting goes these days: Offended Principal or AD: I found out that Public school X has illegal recruiting and paper work problems. Here is my proof. LHSAA official: Thank you for the information Offended Prinicpal. hangs up, picks up the phone and calls offending school principal X. We have a report that you guys have some paper work issues and have an ineligible player Y on your teams. Offending school principal X: Oh yeah, I have the form right here we want to self report that we have some problems. (muffled scream) Virgie get me that LHSAA form we need to get it to them now before they get here. LHSAA official: NO problem, now that you have self reported. We will just issue a slap on the wrist. Offending School Prinipal X: Thank you. (muffled screaming) How did they find out... Hangup…...
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