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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Aug 14, 2018 20:02:23 GMT -6
QB Lowell Narcisse announced he is leaving LSU. He and Justin McMillan were both absent from practice today. Wonder if McMillan is next. What does everyone think and who should be LSU starting QB ? Burrow seems to be everyone's choice.
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Post by indy on Aug 14, 2018 20:08:49 GMT -6
QB Lowell Narcisse announced he is leaving LSU. He and Justin McMillan were both absent from practice today. Wonder if McMillan is next. What does everyone think and who should be LSU starting QB ? Burrow seems to be everyone's choice. You can’t blame them, being 4th string QB can’t be fun. I wish them well and hope they find a good home.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:21:21 GMT -6
QB Lowell Narcisse announced he is leaving LSU. He and Justin McMillan were both absent from practice today. Wonder if McMillan is next. What does everyone think and who should be LSU starting QB ? Burrow seems to be everyone's choice. You can’t blame them, being 4th string QB can’t be fun. I wish them well and hope they find a good home. I actually am a little surprised Narcisse transferred because he was going to be just a redshirt freshman this season. I figured Brennan would get a redshirt himself. McMillan doesnt surprise me at all if he transfers. Narcisse did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:27:04 GMT -6
Guess Coach O isn’t pulling punches with them like he does with the media.He must’ve let Narcisse know he was going to be a situational player this season and Lowell wasn’t having that. Ah well, hope he lands in a good spot and gets to compete.
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Post by lsu88 on Aug 14, 2018 22:15:37 GMT -6
Kids now days don’t wont to compete. They think if you don’t get playing time right away then they should transfer out. There is no reason why Narcisse should be transferring as a redshirt freshman if this is based solely on playing time. He would of had every opportunity down the road to compete for a starting job if he would of stayed. Guess this is just the soft nature this country has developed over the years and everyone thinking everything should be handed to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 22:58:15 GMT -6
Kids now days don’t wont to compete. They think if you don’t get playing time right away then they should transfer out. There is no reason why Narcisse should be transferring as a redshirt freshman if this is based solely on playing time. He would of had every opportunity down the road to compete for a starting job if he would of stayed. Guess this is just the soft nature this country has developed over the years and everyone thinking everything should be handed to you. I completely agree. Redshirt Freshman and he transfers? Dude, compete. Go out and get better and if you have the talent you will start down the road. I looked Narcisse a lot. Now both he and Thompson from LW are gone. LSU needs to get their QB situation under control this year.
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Post by LATigerFan on Aug 15, 2018 3:39:58 GMT -6
Can't really blame him. Dude was never going to see the field, Burrow will be starting and once he leaves Brennan will take over.
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Post by bayouboss on Aug 15, 2018 7:01:55 GMT -6
I liked Narcisse and wish he would’ve stayed. He’ll get my best wishes for success at his next stop. Under normal circumstances I would agree with the posters who say he is soft and should’ve stayed to fight it out or that he’s a victim of today’s society that has an instant gratification mindset. However, we all need to remember that Narcisse largely missed out on his Junior and Senior year of HS football due to injuries. Basically, he hasn’t played a meaningful snap in almost 4 years. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wants to compete in games to get himself back on track. We all see him as a Redshirt Fresman. Really, he’s closer to a Redshirt Junior or Senior when you consider the last time he played any significant HS football. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by BGH on Aug 15, 2018 7:57:39 GMT -6
I liked Narcisse and wish he would’ve stayed. He’ll get my best wishes for success at his next stop. Under normal circumstances I would agree with the posters who say he is soft and should’ve stayed to fight it out or that he’s a victim of today’s society that has an instant gratification mindset. However, we all need to remember that Narcisse largely missed out on his Junior and Senior year of HS football due to injuries. Basically, he hasn’t played a meaningful snap in almost 4 years. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wants to compete in games to get himself back on track. We all see him as a Redshirt Fresman. Really, he’s closer to a Redshirt Junior or Senior when you consider the last time he played any significant HS football. Just my humble opinion.
I agree with everything you said, except that I would rephrase the last sentence. By saying he is more like a red-shirt junior or senior it would imply he is more experienced than he is. As far as actual playing experience he is more like a high school junior.
I love LSU but I can't understand how they can get any good quarterbacks to sign with them. They do not have a recent history of good judgement when it comes to evaluating talent and making their quarterbacks successful.
After a spectacular first half of the 2011 season Jarrett Lee throws one interception in the first Bama game and is basically benched the rest of his life. All last year the LSU faithful bemoaned the fact that they were "stuck" with Danny Ettling, yet if I am not mistaken he is still on the roster of the New England Patriots. If LSU goes through another season of not developing a quarterback, it may be time for a house cleaning.
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Post by wildcat on Aug 15, 2018 8:23:47 GMT -6
I dont have a problem with him leaving. He only has 4-5 years to "prove" himself to NFL teams, should he want to attempt to make football a career. Is he better off being a 3rd-4th backup, paying his dues and hoping to become a starter by his Junior/Senior year...or is he better going the JUCO route playing for a year or two and then transferring to another power 5 school? LSU will probably recruit another blue chip QB this year and the process will repeat itself. Besides when is the last time LSU was successful with a dual threat QB? I know they are now a spread team but they will continue to run the power and run the same plays, just a new formation.
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Post by Sixpack on Aug 15, 2018 9:52:56 GMT -6
McMillan is also transferring.
Now Burrow can take over and start leading without any more debating about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 11:18:43 GMT -6
McMillan is also transferring.
Now Burrow can take over and start leading without any more debating about it. Just remember. Y’all wanted Burrow. He was a career back up at Ohio State. Just saying.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 15, 2018 11:22:35 GMT -6
I liked Narcisse and wish he would’ve stayed. He’ll get my best wishes for success at his next stop. Under normal circumstances I would agree with the posters who say he is soft and should’ve stayed to fight it out or that he’s a victim of today’s society that has an instant gratification mindset. However, we all need to remember that Narcisse largely missed out on his Junior and Senior year of HS football due to injuries. Basically, he hasn’t played a meaningful snap in almost 4 years. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wants to compete in games to get himself back on track. We all see him as a Redshirt Fresman. Really, he’s closer to a Redshirt Junior or Senior when you consider the last time he played any significant HS football. Just my humble opinion.
I agree with everything you said, except that I would rephrase the last sentence. By saying he is more like a red-shirt junior or senior it would imply he is more experienced than he is. As far as actual playing experience he is more like a high school junior.
I love LSU but I can't understand how they can get any good quarterbacks to sign with them. They do not have a recent history of good judgement when it comes to evaluating talent and making their quarterbacks successful.
After a spectacular first half of the 2011 season Jarrett Lee throws one interception in the first Bama game and is basically benched the rest of his life. All last year the LSU faithful bemoaned the fact that they were "stuck" with Danny Ettling, yet if I am not mistaken he is still on the roster of the New England Patriots. If LSU goes through another season of not developing a quarterback, it may be time for a house cleaning.
I disagree that they do a poor job evaluating qb talent, I think it is strictly development where the issues lie. Not one of the qb's besides McMillan who have came in in the last decade wasn't pursued by programs with great track records with qb's. It's not that the qb's aren't talented it's that without coaching No high school qb can come in and be successful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 11:28:21 GMT -6
McMillan out at LSU as well. It’s down to Myles and Burrows.
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Post by FridaysDownSouth on Aug 15, 2018 11:47:38 GMT -6
I just feel like kids don't respect and honor commitments these days. Why are so many kids afraid of competition? They seem to want a starting job handed to them without the work put in. The best will play. What does it say to transfer to a mediocre team and start for them? Beating out lesser talent will not do you as good as competing and trying to beat out superior talent. Just my opinion.
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Post by LATigerFan on Aug 15, 2018 11:55:02 GMT -6
I just feel like kids don't respect and honor commitments these days. Why are so many kids afraid of competition? They seem to want a starting job handed to them without the work put in. The best will play. What does it say to transfer to a mediocre team and start for them? Beating out lesser talent will not do you as good as competing and trying to beat out superior talent. Just my opinion. They have to do what's best for their future and career. If they tell me at work I have a small chance for a higher position and I'm having to compete against guys who I'm probably not going to beat.Then at the same time another company offers me the same position, I'm sure not settling I'm going where the guarantee is. It's not about being scared of competition, when it's your future and income that depend on it you do what is best for you.
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Post by lsu88 on Aug 15, 2018 12:14:11 GMT -6
I just feel like kids don't respect and honor commitments these days. Why are so many kids afraid of competition? They seem to want a starting job handed to them without the work put in. The best will play. What does it say to transfer to a mediocre team and start for them? Beating out lesser talent will not do you as good as competing and trying to beat out superior talent. Just my opinion. They have to do what's best for their future and career. If they tell me at work I have a small chance for a higher position and I'm having to compete against guys who I'm probably not going to beat.Then at the same time another company offers me the same position, I'm sure not settling I'm going where the guarantee is. It's not about being scared of competition, when it's your future and income that depend on it you do what is best for you. Worked out pretty good for Matt Flynn and Matt Mauck. That’s why a degree should be number one on these kids list to achieve.
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Post by lsu88 on Aug 15, 2018 12:16:56 GMT -6
McMillan is also transferring.
Now Burrow can take over and start leading without any more debating about it. Just remember. Y’all wanted Burrow. He was a career back up at Ohio State. Just saying. I believe Burrow is better than what we have had on our roster in awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 13:14:03 GMT -6
Just remember. Y’all wanted Burrow. He was a career back up at Ohio State. Just saying. I believe Burrow is better than what we have had on our roster in awhile. Burrow is a career back up that was beat out 3 times by 3 different QBs. Let’s wait until we see what he can do in a game situation before we start calling him the golden child. I have NO confidence in Ensminger. LSU has an offensive coaching problem that dates back a decade. At some point we have to realize it’s not the QBs. We had 3 QBs on the roster before Burrow got here that could’ve been successful at LSU. That lack of development and coaching on that side of the ball is truly astounding.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 13:29:15 GMT -6
McMillan out at LSU as well. It’s down to Myles and Burrows. The Riverside QB Jordan Loving is 3rd string now.
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Post by lsu88 on Aug 15, 2018 13:30:58 GMT -6
I believe Burrow is better than what we have had on our roster in awhile. Burrow is a career back up that was beat out 3 times by 3 different QBs. Let’s wait until we see what he can do in a game situation before we start calling him the golden child. I have NO confidence in Ensminger. LSU has an offensive coaching problem that dates back a decade. At some point we have to realize it’s not the QBs. We had 3 QBs on the roster before Burrow got here that could’ve been successful at LSU. That lack of development and coaching on that side of the ball is truly astounding. Your right let’s see what he can do in a game. Yes I believe that the coaching over the last ten years and the stubbornness of Les in the past not wanting to throw the ball has had some to do with the qb struggles but the kids they have put out there have to perform at some point. Nobody has been able to do that when it’s time to strap it up and I can’t blame every single bit of the qb struggles on the coachs. Most of the guys that have been out there couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn when throwing the ball. And those qbs that have beat him out all where pretty dang good taking OSU to plenty of final fours and national championships.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 14:16:18 GMT -6
Burrow is a career back up that was beat out 3 times by 3 different QBs. Let’s wait until we see what he can do in a game situation before we start calling him the golden child. I have NO confidence in Ensminger. LSU has an offensive coaching problem that dates back a decade. At some point we have to realize it’s not the QBs. We had 3 QBs on the roster before Burrow got here that could’ve been successful at LSU. That lack of development and coaching on that side of the ball is truly astounding. Your right let’s see what he can do in a game. Yes I believe that the coaching over the last ten years and the stubbornness of Les in the past not wanting to throw the ball has had some to do with the qb struggles but the kids they have put out there have to perform at some point. Nobody has been able to do that when it’s time to strap it up and I can’t blame every single bit of the qb struggles on the coachs. Most of the guys that have been out there couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn when throwing the ball. And those qbs that have beat him out all where pretty dang good taking OSU to plenty of final fours and national championships. I have to disagree with you there. If a kid is a high school All American at QB and flops at LSU it’s coaching. LSU consistently signs a high school All American at QB. And they all struggle. Coaching isn’t about fixing a player to fit your system. It’s about fixing your system to fit a player. Jalen Hurts isn’t a great passer at all but as a true freshman was the SEC offensive player of the year. That’s coaching!!! You can’t tell me Jalen Hurts is that much better than Brandon Harris or Lowell Narcisse. They’re almost identical. Coaching separates them. It’s almost like LSU doesn’t take offense seriously 😂😂😂😂 you bring in Ensminger? Really? That’s all we could get? Terrible.
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Post by lsu88 on Aug 15, 2018 17:08:17 GMT -6
Your right let’s see what he can do in a game. Yes I believe that the coaching over the last ten years and the stubbornness of Les in the past not wanting to throw the ball has had some to do with the qb struggles but the kids they have put out there have to perform at some point. Nobody has been able to do that when it’s time to strap it up and I can’t blame every single bit of the qb struggles on the coachs. Most of the guys that have been out there couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn when throwing the ball. And those qbs that have beat him out all where pretty dang good taking OSU to plenty of final fours and national championships. I have to disagree with you there. If a kid is a high school All American at QB and flops at LSU it’s coaching. LSU consistently signs a high school All American at QB. And they all struggle. Coaching isn’t about fixing a player to fit your system. It’s about fixing your system to fit a player. Jalen Hurts isn’t a great passer at all but as a true freshman was the SEC offensive player of the year. That’s coaching!!! You can’t tell me Jalen Hurts is that much better than Brandon Harris or Lowell Narcisse. They’re almost identical. Coaching separates them. It’s almost like LSU doesn’t take offense seriously 😂😂😂😂 you bring in Ensminger? Really? That’s all we could get? Terrible. If your a All American qb in high school you should be able to hit open receivers running down the field and should be able to make a throw in the middle of the filed. Like I said coaching is some of it but the kids have to start performing as well. Bama doesn’t need much of a qb to win when they are that much better than everyone else everywhere on the field. They went out and hired the big name last year in Canada and it didn’t work out. So this year O hired someone he knew and trusted.
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Post by BGH on Aug 15, 2018 17:52:18 GMT -6
I liked Narcisse and wish he would’ve stayed. He’ll get my best wishes for success at his next stop. Under normal circumstances I would agree with the posters who say he is soft and should’ve stayed to fight it out or that he’s a victim of today’s society that has an instant gratification mindset. However, we all need to remember that Narcisse largely missed out on his Junior and Senior year of HS football due to injuries. Basically, he hasn’t played a meaningful snap in almost 4 years. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he wants to compete in games to get himself back on track. We all see him as a Redshirt Fresman. Really, he’s closer to a Redshirt Junior or Senior when you consider the last time he played any significant HS football. Just my humble opinion.
I agree with everything you said, except that I would rephrase the last sentence. By saying he is more like a red-shirt junior or senior it would imply he is more experienced than he is. As far as actual playing experience he is more like a high school junior.
I love LSU but I can't understand how they can get any good quarterbacks to sign with them. They do not have a recent history of good judgement when it comes to evaluating talent and making their quarterbacks successful.
After a spectacular first half of the 2011 season Jarrett Lee throws one interception in the first Bama game and is basically benched the rest of his life. All last year the LSU faithful bemoaned the fact that they were "stuck" with Danny Ettling, yet if I am not mistaken he is still on the roster of the New England Patriots. If LSU goes through another season of not developing a quarterback, it may be time for a house cleaning.
I believe I did say that developing the QB was the problem.
When I said that they did not have good judgement in evaluating talent I did not mean to imply that they did not bring in good talent. I gave the example of Jarrett Lee. If I recall, the only reason Lee was on the field in the magical season of 2011 was because Jordon Jefferson got into trouble and was suspended. LSU had already determined that Jefferson was going to be the starter over Lee and I call that poor judgement of talent.
Even though Lee led undefeated LSU through the first 8 games and to the #1 ranking, Miles could not wait to get Jefferson back into the line-up. He yanked Lee after an interception early in the game at Bama, and Lee was history. And when LSU could not even cross mid-field in the Championship game with Jefferson having the worst performance I ever saw a QB have, that poor judgement of talent kept Lee on the bench.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 15, 2018 19:42:59 GMT -6
To be fair he threw 2 interceptions in the first Bama game and if he finished the game LSU probablly loses by 2-3 td's. Dude was good when he had protection but he was extremely stationary and had a terrible habit of throwing off his back foot when pressured. Bama was just the worst matchup possible for him. Still agree he should have went in at least after the first offensive drive of the second half during the title game. What did they have to lose lol.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Aug 15, 2018 19:46:45 GMT -6
I agree with everything you said, except that I would rephrase the last sentence. By saying he is more like a red-shirt junior or senior it would imply he is more experienced than he is. As far as actual playing experience he is more like a high school junior.
I love LSU but I can't understand how they can get any good quarterbacks to sign with them. They do not have a recent history of good judgement when it comes to evaluating talent and making their quarterbacks successful.
After a spectacular first half of the 2011 season Jarrett Lee throws one interception in the first Bama game and is basically benched the rest of his life. All last year the LSU faithful bemoaned the fact that they were "stuck" with Danny Ettling, yet if I am not mistaken he is still on the roster of the New England Patriots. If LSU goes through another season of not developing a quarterback, it may be time for a house cleaning.
I believe I did say that developing the QB was the problem.
When I said that they did not have good judgement in evaluating talent I did not mean to imply that they did not bring in good talent. I gave the example of Jarrett Lee. If I recall, the only reason Lee was on the field in the magical season of 2011 was because Jordon Jefferson got into trouble and was suspended. LSU had already determined that Jefferson was going to be the starter over Lee and I call that poor judgement of talent.
Even though Lee led undefeated LSU through the first 8 games and to the #1 ranking, Miles could not wait to get Jefferson back into the line-up. He yanked Lee after an interception early in the game at Bama, and Lee was history. And when LSU could not even cross mid-field in the Championship game with Jefferson having the worst performance I ever saw a QB have, that poor judgement of talent kept Lee on the bench.
Yea and if you recall, Jefferson was equally bad in the SEC Championship Game. LSU did not even get a first down in the 1st half against Georgia. He was only 5-13 for 30 yards for the entire game. If Honey Badger hadn't returned a punt for a TD to spark the rest of the team they would've lost in Atlanta. LSU's Defense and Running Game saved them in that one.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 15, 2018 19:56:33 GMT -6
I believe I did say that developing the QB was the problem.
When I said that they did not have good judgement in evaluating talent I did not mean to imply that they did not bring in good talent. I gave the example of Jarrett Lee. If I recall, the only reason Lee was on the field in the magical season of 2011 was because Jordon Jefferson got into trouble and was suspended. LSU had already determined that Jefferson was going to be the starter over Lee and I call that poor judgement of talent.
Even though Lee led undefeated LSU through the first 8 games and to the #1 ranking, Miles could not wait to get Jefferson back into the line-up. He yanked Lee after an interception early in the game at Bama, and Lee was history. And when LSU could not even cross mid-field in the Championship game with Jefferson having the worst performance I ever saw a QB have, that poor judgement of talent kept Lee on the bench.
Yea and if you recall, Jefferson was equally bad in the SEC Championship Game. LSU did not even get a first down in the 1st half against Georgia. He was only 5-13 for 30 yards for the entire game. If Honey Badger hadn't returned a punt for a TD to spark the rest of the team they would've lost in Atlanta. LSU's Defense and Running Game saved them in that one. oh no doubt Jefferson was not good. Just when facing a good defense that could bring pressure lee was no better. When he could sit back at survey the field he was def the better passer
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Post by bhossmac on Aug 16, 2018 10:22:13 GMT -6
I just feel like kids don't respect and honor commitments these days. Why are so many kids afraid of competition? They seem to want a starting job handed to them without the work put in. The best will play. What does it say to transfer to a mediocre team and start for them? Beating out lesser talent will not do you as good as competing and trying to beat out superior talent. Just my opinion. Just to play devil's advocate here ... I think kids these days have figured out you don't have to sit and wait your turn at some major school in order to achieve your dreams. If we're being real, the point of going to college is to prepare you for life and a career. Most of these kids want to be NFL QB's. Why should they just sit and wait, hoping they'll get a shot to prove themselves? Look at where some of these NFL starting QB's went to college: Carson Wentz -- North Dakota State Jimmy Garoppolo -- Eastern Illinois Derek Carr -- Fresno State Heck, Josh Allen out of Wyoming was just picked 7th overall in the most recent NFL Draft. For the most part, I am a believer in the idea of staying and competing. But QB is a little different. Only one of those typically gets a ball every year, and if you're behind someone who is just one class ahead of you, you're taking a risk that you may never see the field or only get one shot at it. And honestly, the NFL typically wants to see a body of work. They are more willing to draft multi-year starters rather than the guy who waited his turn for one shot at glory.
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Post by mt on Aug 16, 2018 11:18:22 GMT -6
Indifferent on transferring. On one end the staying and competing and honoring your word/commit is what’s seen as the right things to do. On the other hand, coaches promise all the time that “you’re the guy” “we aren’t taking another qb”. It’s similar to decommiting, some people get up in arms about that but a coach can pull his committable offer at any point and not even explain himself to anyone.
QB at the college level is becoming high risk/reward now. Take two top guys and you know only one will stay. Take one guy and have to appease or risk losing. And sadly to some it’s going to get worse now that open transfers are essentially a thing.
I think we will see more “top” QBs go group of 5 or low power 5 now just to get on the field immediately.
Someone mentioned earlier going to a smaller school isn’t looked down upon anymore at the QB level.
As for Burrow, I’m an Ohio st fan and I never got the urge to call him the guy even as JT struggled with throws. Haskins was always the guy with Martell next. Burrow was always Craig Krenzel to me. And yes krenzel won a title but just never saw the wow in him. Burrow could be ok, but I think LSU this year will need more plays from the qb than in years past. Lack of top end rb and oline issues are why I say that
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Post by pinion on Aug 16, 2018 23:20:34 GMT -6
Kids now days don’t wont to compete. They think if you don’t get playing time right away then they should transfer out. There is no reason why Narcisse should be transferring as a redshirt freshman if this is based solely on playing time. He would of had every opportunity down the road to compete for a starting job if he would of stayed. Guess this is just the soft nature this country has developed over the years and everyone thinking everything should be handed to you. I think a lot of these kids do just that. They want to come in and play a couple of years and then head off to the NFL. Because they see it happen all the time and they all think they're going to be able to do the same thing. You have a handful that are on the level of being able to play a couple of years and then go pro and they believe they are on that same level. And they're not. Because if they were, they wouldn't be transferring out. Narcisse is going to find out that he's not nearly as much of a baller as he thinks he is. He's probably better than average, but every QB starting in college (practically) is. With no probably.
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