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Post by rebelmike58 on Sept 2, 2018 9:09:55 GMT -6
You all posts are so funny. The first game they did not run the triple option.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 9:44:32 GMT -6
That's good for wm but I think most peoples point was that it wouldn't have been the end of the world if wm did run the option.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 9:53:17 GMT -6
Ok, just so YOU ALL know this is Shad Green. I had a buddy tell me last night I was referred to on this site. Hiding behind a fake name really isn't my way. If you know me, you know this. Anyway, until tonight, I haven't posted, or influenced one post one here. I just thought I would come on here to check out what a buddy told me. I just had a child graduate this program and school. BTW, he is going to college and making money off of his many scholarships. Also, I absolutely have a sopre playing that is extremely happy. I haven't said or posted one thing negative in 5 years. Tonight, is my only post, and there won't be another one. I will be getting off after this. But, to prove I am a man,my number is (318)381-6600. Now I am done! What did I miss lol?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 10:07:23 GMT -6
That's good for wm but I think most peoples point was that it wouldn't have been the end of the world if wm did run the option. People think just because you get under center and run the ball your coaching must be bad. They don’t understand that some schools just don’t have the talent every year to fully commit to the Air Raid or RPO offenses. Even if you decide to go Power Spread, you still have to have the line to hold those blocks.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 10:25:57 GMT -6
That's good for wm but I think most peoples point was that it wouldn't have been the end of the world if wm did run the option. People think just because you get under center and run the ball your coaching must be bad. They don’t understand that some schools just don’t have the talent every year to fully commit to the Air Raid or RPO offenses. Even if you decide to go Power Spread, you still have to have the line to hold those blocks. Yeah I agree. If Oak grove went to a spread passing offense we might not win another game. However with a power run game we are one of the top programs in our class every year. It's like different systems work better for different teams or something lol. Crazy right?
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Post by fbcoach on Sept 2, 2018 10:26:40 GMT -6
Go to the John Ehret game Starks gonna answer your question. Plus in order for it to work you must have a great full back. News flash Mr. Stuck in the past the fullback position is extinct. Unless your sterlington and who taught them their weight room program and offense. Answer that? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or if you really don’t have an answer. Bootbound is an .
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Post by fbcoach on Sept 2, 2018 10:29:21 GMT -6
That's good for wm but I think most peoples point was that it wouldn't have been the end of the world if wm did run the option. People think just because you get under center and run the ball your coaching must be bad. They don’t understand that some schools just don’t have the talent every year to fully commit to the Air Raid or RPO offenses. Even if you decide to go Power Spread, you still have to have the line to hold those blocks. RPOs are a rule change away from being illegal.
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Post by fbcoach on Sept 2, 2018 10:30:21 GMT -6
Who is fighting? I am just pointing out that your premise is false. I realize you are going to try and produce "facts" with numerical statistics, but you have to realize that those data don't support the argument that ______ system will result in winning as opposed to ________. Dude take a break and go have some coffee! So, how do you defend the triple option?
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Post by bootbound on Sept 2, 2018 12:43:22 GMT -6
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or if you really don’t have an answer. Bootbound is an . Yo momma!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 13:32:11 GMT -6
You all posts are so funny. The first game they did not run the triple option. That is fine. Thing is i repeat what i am told. They have ran some triple option. And, in my mind the offense ive seen is so putrid they will be forced to go back eventually. The offense is hot garbage right now. I dont need to explain anything. If you cant see it is garbage then you will be wondering again at the end of the year why you are titleless for 7 years going with no end in sight. Ehret didnt lose because West Monroes offense dominated whatsoever. It was hot. It is because they had the worse special teams in 5A history. Their defense played exceptional when playing with a full field, but hard to play strong i 4 short fields. Next week is going to be a huge reality check for WM. McGill isnt giving a short field unless they turn the ball over. They are going to force West Monroe to drive the ball for 10 play drives. McGill is more balanced offensively and hell of a defense. Should be about 30-7 type game. Then come back and laugh.
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Post by gridiron on Sept 2, 2018 13:43:30 GMT -6
Hey boot is back! I guess he got tired of sulking about that beat down after all that big blowing he did about Neville. Man I hate crow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 13:55:19 GMT -6
Ok, just so YOU ALL know this is Shad Green. I had a buddy tell me last night I was referred to on this site. Hiding behind a fake name really isn't my way. If you know me, you know this. Anyway, until tonight, I haven't posted, or influenced one post one here. I just thought I would come on here to check out what a buddy told me. I just had a child graduate this program and school. BTW, he is going to college and making money off of his many scholarships. Also, I absolutely have a sopre playing that is extremely happy. I haven't said or posted one thing negative in 5 years. Tonight, is my only post, and there won't be another one. I will be getting off after this. But, to prove I am a man,my number is (318)381-6600. Now I am done! What did I miss lol? You didnt miss anything. Parents and coaches, players and coaching relatives, are the most sensitive breed. Here are facts: WM hasnt won a title in 7 years (counting this year because that offense isnt beating Zachary whatsoever; defense too); ouachita continues to under perform ever year for decades now and yet their fans are as delusional as they come (the little they have). So they find nitpicking areas to try and deflect. Ouacita cant beat any team in our area outside Ruston every blue moon. Psychological or whatever it may be (coaching?) They just cant. West Monroe cant beat teams south of Alexandria that is equal in talent with coaching. Next week will be ugly. Likely American Heritage ugly. When im right they will not point to this point in time where i am right but rather bicker about some other thing i said. They do not have the offense or defense to beat Zachary or Destrehan coached teams with superior speed and talent. Those days are long gone. Learning to deal with it and adjust comes hard. Change is hard. Instead of dealing with change *****ing to posters on a board is more logical. Any WM fan that truly thinks they can beat Zachary this year is smoking some serious smoke.
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Post by bobfromprim on Sept 2, 2018 14:21:05 GMT -6
Is there really that much difference from being under center and pulling a dive read then pitching it off the OLB as opposed to being Ini the gun and pulling the handoff and throwing the bubble when the OLB squeezes?
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 14:29:39 GMT -6
You didnt miss anything. Parents and coaches, players and coaching relatives, are the most sensitive breed. Here are facts: WM hasnt won a title in 7 years (counting this year because that offense isnt beating Zachary whatsoever; defense too); ouachita continues to under perform ever year for decades now and yet their fans are as delusional as they come (the little they have). So they find nitpicking areas to try and deflect. Ouacita cant beat any team in our area outside Ruston every blue moon. Psychological or whatever it may be (coaching?) They just cant. West Monroe cant beat teams south of Alexandria that is equal in talent with coaching. Next week will be ugly. Likely American Heritage ugly. When im right they will not point to this point in time where i am right but rather bicker about some other thing i said. They do not have the offense or defense to beat Zachary or Destrehan coached teams with superior speed and talent. Those days are long gone. Learning to deal with it and adjust comes hard. Change is hard. Instead of dealing with change *****ing to posters on a board is more logical. Any WM fan that truly thinks they can beat Zachary this year is smoking some serious smoke. . Got ya. Well I agree wm isn't the favorite for sure but if you are implying that's because that haven't fully embraced a spread style offense I disagree there lol. Not to go round and round on that part again but we will just have to agree to disagree. Their program does seem in flux currently. Maybe they can resestaish an identity
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 14:30:18 GMT -6
Is there really that much difference from being under center and pulling a dive read then pitching it off the OLB as opposed to being Ini the gun and pulling the handoff and throwing the bubble when the OLB squeezes? . Nope almost none. One just looks cooler lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 14:31:56 GMT -6
Is there really that much difference from being under center and pulling a dive read then pitching it off the OLB as opposed to being Ini the gun and pulling the handoff and throwing the bubble when the OLB squeezes? Yes. Dive reads down the LOS are much quicker occurring and have a higher learning curve than reading 5-7 yards deep. That being said, a good veer offense is next to impossible to stop for negative yardage since the dive option is much faster occurring than the zone read.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Sept 2, 2018 14:59:33 GMT -6
Is there really that much difference from being under center and pulling a dive read then pitching it off the OLB as opposed to being Ini the gun and pulling the handoff and throwing the bubble when the OLB squeezes? Yes. Dive reads down the LOS are much quicker occurring and have a higher learning curve than reading 5-7 yards deep. That being said, a good veer offense is next to impossible to stop for negative yardage since the dive option is much faster occurring than the zone read. I think he was just asking do they accomplish the same end result in the scheme. While there are clear differences the concept is very similiar
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Post by gridiron on Sept 2, 2018 16:00:21 GMT -6
Logic I like to read your posts but sometimes you get the cart ahead of the horse. We have only played one game and we didn't have to throw the ball to win. I don't know anything about the team were playing this weekend but we didn't think we were the best team in the nation so we might get beat. One thing that is for sure though we will get better every week and by playoff time we will be one of the three or four teams to beat.
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Post by retired on Sept 2, 2018 16:36:50 GMT -6
Yes. Dive reads down the LOS are much quicker occurring and have a higher learning curve than reading 5-7 yards deep. That being said, a good veer offense is next to impossible to stop for negative yardage since the dive option is much faster occurring than the zone read. I think he was just asking do they accomplish the same end result in the scheme. While there are clear differences the concept is very similiar I still think it would be incorrect to say "no, almost no difference, one just looks cooler" There are pretty significant differences, with being UC requiring a much faster processing speed for the read, much more precise footwork, much more precise timing. These things yield a much lower chance of a negative yardage play (other than a fumble), and is probably a bit more forgiving for the OL. These factors allow the offense to follow a philosophy of just staying "ahead of the chains". From the offensive perspective, they are significantly different. From the DEFENSIVE perspective however, I think your statement could be deemed accurate.
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Post by bootbound on Sept 2, 2018 17:47:52 GMT -6
Hey boot is back! I guess he got tired of sulking about that beat down after all that big blowing he did about Neville. Man I hate crow. The thing about football its a long season,and anything can happen in football thats why I love the sport.Keep that same energy in December all im going to say.
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Post by CLEAN on Sept 2, 2018 19:48:34 GMT -6
I love the option with the QB under center. It will always be viable. It's a lot more effective if your QB can keep defenses honest with a solid TE and/or WR.
If your o-line is substandard, you aren't going to be a juggernaut.
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Post by retired on Sept 2, 2018 20:23:46 GMT -6
I love the option with the QB under center. It will always be viable. It's a lot more effective if your QB can keep defenses honest with a solid TE and/or WR. If your o-line is substandard, you aren't going to be a juggernaut. And if your O-line is substandard, you are going to struggle regardless of what offensive scheme you run. No amount of white board wizardy, or coachspeak cures having a bad Oline, and at most schools, a bad Oline = bad Dline (players going both ways), which = bad team.
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Post by Southplaq on Sept 3, 2018 0:32:07 GMT -6
Personally, I think WM should go to the 5 receiver spread And use that same offense Evangel used to use when they were beating up on the rebs
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Post by fbcoach on Sept 3, 2018 12:11:08 GMT -6
Personally, I think WM should go to the 5 receiver spread And use that same offense Evangel used to use when they were beating up on the rebs Evangel was not a 5 receiver spread team.
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Post by fbcoach on Sept 3, 2018 12:12:48 GMT -6
Personally, I think WM should go to the 5 receiver spread And use that same offense Evangel used to use when they were beating up on the rebs Evangel was not a 5 receiver spread team. They ran 4 wide, and on occasion got under center with split backs. They also had a QB that played college football.
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