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Post by eag on Apr 20, 2016 12:17:02 GMT -6
Schools such as you mention become powerhouses out of the gate because that is their goal. That is what they wish to do, and in that regard they USE the POTENTIAL advantage to create the powerhouse. If I go throughout Lafayette and talk to the 20 top hoops kids and show them what they want, then I will have a top hoops team. Undeniably this is true.
BUT, if I go throughout Lafayette and attract all the top GPA kids, or all the best musicians,or (more realistically) a lot of the Catholic kids from a particular diocese, would I come out the same way? No way. The ability to select gives you what you select for, nothing else. That is why, yes, some schools need reclassifying. Like you've said before, it is pretty easy to see.
If Pinion opens a private school tomorrow with the idea that football is an extracurricular activity to offer to students, but does nothing else other than offer a sign-up sheet when school starts, he has no advantage at all over nearby publics. Potentially a disadvantage as every kid is not able to attend.
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Post by btown on Apr 20, 2016 12:31:08 GMT -6
Schools such as you mention become powerhouses out of the gate because that is their goal. That is what they wish to do, and in that regard they USE the POTENTIAL advantage to create the powerhouse. If I go throughout Lafayette and talk to the 20 top hoops kids and show them what they want, then I will have a top hoops team. Undeniably this is true. BUT, if I go throughout Lafayette and attract all the top GPA kids, or all the best musicians,or (more realistically) a lot of the Catholic kids from a particular diocese, would I come out the same way? No way. The ability to select gives you what you select for, nothing else. That is why, yes, some schools need reclassifying. Like you've said before, it is pretty easy to see. If Pinion opens a private school tomorrow with the idea that football is an extracurricular activity to offer to students, but does nothing else other than offer a sign-up sheet when school starts, he has no advantage at all over nearby publics. Potentially a disadvantage as every kid is not able to attend. Sounds like recruiting to me.
But what everyone keeps missing that is recruiting and looks like that give all private schools a black eye. You may not like it but that is how thing are in society. Just like one kid can make everyone think a school is bad by his action, one school can make all like schools look bad.
You want everything back together then we need start beating the drum for LHSAA TO ENFORCE THE RULES. Better investigation on student transfers, better investigations on summer programs, better investigations into what goes own during school hours. Not just scratch the surface and say ok it is good. Not to pick on them but the report of the kids transferring from, what was it Northeast or what ever to ND. They need to up on side of that and down the other, but they want and not because it is ND, because that is what they do all the time. LHSAA needs a leader, someone that will make the earth move.
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Post by Raven on Apr 20, 2016 12:53:12 GMT -6
Then there are others like myself who understand and appreciate the history and tradition of the LHSAA and would like to see that preserved. I do not think it is too late to save the LHSAA if the public school principles want to. They have the numbers and thus the majority of votes. The private schools are basically just waiting to see what the public schools want to do. While I think the majority of private schools would like to stay, if the public school principles remain committed to the split, with no discussion of other alternatives (besides the rural/metro plan which no one really wanted to begin with) would there be any real reason for them to remain a part of the LHSAA? Let me clarify that I would not be opposed to a rural/metro system IF that system was also used to create the classifications and districts as well as the playoff brackets. I oppose any plan that forces teams to play each other during the regular, then prevents them from playing in the post-season. If the idea is to reclassify certain teams, then do that. Put them in a different class and give everyone in that class the opportunity to make the same playoffs. Don't say it's ok to play one week but not ok to play that same team the following week. So let's put some reasoning to this.
You do not like being separate in playoffs. So you are going to break away and have playoffs by yourself. Seems the same It is the same.
You do not like being separate in playoffs. So you are going to break away and have less fewer teams to play in regular season. ?? Yes. The answer I think you're looking for is that due to a rule change put in place by the majority of schools (public) that affected mostly private schools (the minority) and the perceived unwillingness of many public school principles to even discus ideas that could bring them back together has had the effect of putting private school principles in the position of choosing to either stay in an association that has shown no desire to address their concerns or form a separate association. I think there are public school principles who would be willing to work with the private schools if given a chance, but they are being overwhelmed by the ones who appear to simply want the private schools gone and don't care.
So what if the break away does not work for the privates, where will that leave them? Are you asking what happens if the new association is formed and then fails or are you asking what happens if the attempt to form a new association fails? The only way the new association fails is if the majority of private schools get lured back into the LHSAA. I don't see that happening with the current split. If the attempt to form a new association fails, then the private schools are stuck in the LHSAA and nothing has changed.
Another thing to consider about a possible new association is that it may not be only the current "select" schools that choose to leave the LHSAA. There were over 100 public schools that voted against the split at the last meeting. Now I know there is a big difference between voting against the split and wanting out of the LHSAA. But the other public schools would do well remember the words of Reverend Martin Niemoller: First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Post by eag on Apr 20, 2016 15:10:32 GMT -6
Schools such as you mention become powerhouses out of the gate because that is their goal. That is what they wish to do, and in that regard they USE the POTENTIAL advantage to create the powerhouse. If I go throughout Lafayette and talk to the 20 top hoops kids and show them what they want, then I will have a top hoops team. Undeniably this is true. BUT, if I go throughout Lafayette and attract all the top GPA kids, or all the best musicians,or (more realistically) a lot of the Catholic kids from a particular diocese, would I come out the same way? No way. The ability to select gives you what you select for, nothing else. That is why, yes, some schools need reclassifying. Like you've said before, it is pretty easy to see. If Pinion opens a private school tomorrow with the idea that football is an extracurricular activity to offer to students, but does nothing else other than offer a sign-up sheet when school starts, he has no advantage at all over nearby publics. Potentially a disadvantage as every kid is not able to attend. Sounds like recruiting to me.
But what everyone keeps missing that is recruiting and looks like that give all private schools a black eye. You may not like it but that is how thing are in society. Just like one kid can make everyone think a school is bad by his action, one school can make all like schools look bad.
You want everything back together then we need start beating the drum for LHSAA TO ENFORCE THE RULES. Better investigation on student transfers, better investigations on summer programs, better investigations into what goes own during school hours. Not just scratch the surface and say ok it is good. Not to pick on them but the report of the kids transferring from, what was it Northeast or what ever to ND. They need to up on side of that and down the other, but they want and not because it is ND, because that is what they do all the time. LHSAA needs a leader, someone that will make the earth move.
Well in my example, yes it would be recruiting in the first example. Not the others, especially not the last. But the line of what is recruiting can be kinda blurry, which is why I think an on-field metric or a committee like you have proposed is great. Also, agree entirely with bolded statement.
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Post by deadman318 on Apr 20, 2016 16:26:31 GMT -6
All coaches recruit in one form or another...
The kid transferring to Notre Dame was atrocious. Shows the LHSAA and the executive committee is the real joke, not the split, not the principals...
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Post by pioneer on Apr 20, 2016 17:44:06 GMT -6
All coaches recruit in one form or another... The kid transferring to Notre Dame was atrocious. Shows the LHSAA and the executive committee is the real joke, not the split, not the principals... Who was he recruited by???
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Post by deadman318 on Apr 20, 2016 22:01:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 9:10:56 GMT -6
See, thats the point. The private guys all say "we didnt recruit him!!", all the while ignoring the spirit and intent of the rules as written. Hence lies the issue.
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Post by pinion on Apr 21, 2016 11:03:27 GMT -6
In regards to sports? That's not really a yes or no answer. Let's say a private school pushes most of their money to where they have indoor practice field and rent out the Superdome every Friday night. That is an advantage, but only because they choose to spend their money like that. If a kid wants to have that, he'll have to go to a school that's doing those things. But just right out of the gate? I mean, if I open up a private school next Monday morning, we have no advantage over anyone else. So how does a private school become a powerhouse out the gate. A new Private schools coming out the gate being a powerhouse in sports, note Laf. Christian. So yes private schools must have a advantage, because there is no way a new public schools could develop as quick as they did.
I don't know. Maybe hype for a new program? Perhaps luck. I really don't have an answer. But I know that in most cases, it doesn't happen that way. A public in Texas (5A) was hitting the playoffs in their 3rd year of football (I believe 3, maybe 4). It happens, to both public and private.
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Post by pinion on Apr 21, 2016 11:08:52 GMT -6
Schools such as you mention become powerhouses out of the gate because that is their goal. That is what they wish to do, and in that regard they USE the POTENTIAL advantage to create the powerhouse. If I go throughout Lafayette and talk to the 20 top hoops kids and show them what they want, then I will have a top hoops team. Undeniably this is true. BUT, if I go throughout Lafayette and attract all the top GPA kids, or all the best musicians,or (more realistically) a lot of the Catholic kids from a particular diocese, would I come out the same way? No way. The ability to select gives you what you select for, nothing else. That is why, yes, some schools need reclassifying. Like you've said before, it is pretty easy to see. If Pinion opens a private school tomorrow with the idea that football is an extracurricular activity to offer to students, but does nothing else other than offer a sign-up sheet when school starts, he has no advantage at all over nearby publics. Potentially a disadvantage as every kid is not able to attend. Sounds like recruiting to me.
But what everyone keeps missing that is recruiting and looks like that give all private schools a black eye. You may not like it but that is how thing are in society. Just like one kid can make everyone think a school is bad by his action, one school can make all like schools look bad.
You want everything back together then we need start beating the drum for LHSAA TO ENFORCE THE RULES. Better investigation on student transfers, better investigations on summer programs, better investigations into what goes own during school hours. Not just scratch the surface and say ok it is good. Not to pick on them but the report of the kids transferring from, what was it Northeast or what ever to ND. They need to up on side of that and down the other, but they want and not because it is ND, because that is what they do all the time. LHSAA needs a leader, someone that will make the earth move.
That's where I take issue. You only want to see the recruiting problem and address recruiting in regards to private schools that may or may not be doing it. It gives ALL schools a black eye and certainly doesn't help given the current atmosphere. You speak about recruiting as if it's only a situation at private schools. To the point where people actually believe that all private schools recruit and that only private schools recruit. What'shisface from Many actually said on the news that the split is the result of private schools recruiting. He believes that and was willing to tear apart the LHSAA because of that false belief.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 21, 2016 11:14:16 GMT -6
See, thats the point. The private guys all say "we didnt recruit him!!", all the while ignoring the spirit and intent of the rules as written. Hence lies the issue. What rules were broken? Please inform me. If he would of transferred to a public school in Lafayette parish would you still be on your soapbox?
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Post by btown on Apr 21, 2016 11:25:48 GMT -6
So how does a private school become a powerhouse out the gate. A new Private schools coming out the gate being a powerhouse in sports, note Laf. Christian. So yes private schools must have a advantage, because there is no way a new public schools could develop as quick as they did.
I don't know. Maybe hype for a new program? Perhaps luck. I really don't have an answer. But I know that in most cases, it doesn't happen that way. A public in Texas (5A) was hitting the playoffs in their 3rd year of football (I believe 3, maybe 4). It happens, to both public and private. fbjz This isn't Texas. To many good private and public schools in the Laf. area. No way a new school can rise to the top in sports that quick. It takes time to build a program.
It goes back to my base. Yes, I like the split and why because LHSAA does not enforce the rules. Enforce the rules and I say go back together. Second, are the rules not just enforced on the private side, no, both public and private.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 12:31:26 GMT -6
See, thats the point. The private guys all say "we didnt recruit him!!", all the while ignoring the spirit and intent of the rules as written. Hence lies the issue. What rules were broken? Please inform me. If he would of transferred to a public school in Lafayette parish would you still be on your soap The intent of the rule. Its called integrity, look it up.
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Post by pioneer on Apr 22, 2016 9:16:13 GMT -6
What rules were broken? Please inform me. If he would of transferred to a public school in Lafayette parish would you still be on your soap The intent of the rule. Its called integrity, look it up. Again, which rule was broken?
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 22, 2016 10:16:51 GMT -6
See, thats the point. The private guys all say "we didnt recruit him!!", all the while ignoring the spirit and intent of the rules as written. Hence lies the issue. What spirit of the rule? The kid was obviously not staying at Northside because it has failed (unfortunately) both academically as well as on the football field, showing little to no hope of changing any time within the next 2 or 3 years. So, you are saying he has to be doomed and his parents no longer have a choice for his betterment. He has to suck it up, stay at Northside and maybe make a 16 on the ACT and miss the NCAA cutoff. That's a wonderful attitude. I guess he will just have to go to a prep school after high school to work on his scores instead. Or maybe, he can just transfer to a much better school and improve himself. He can't go to Lafayette High, because the school board is not allowing Northside to LHS general transfers. Comeaux would be a step up but athletically not an improvement from Northside. Acadiana is an option, but then again that is jumping over 2 zones to get there and the school board will say no. I think his parents made a decision based on the needs of the kid and that is no one else's business. The idea that Norhtside or any school "owns" the rights to him for 4 years is really offensive.
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Post by pinion on Apr 22, 2016 11:00:41 GMT -6
I don't know. Maybe hype for a new program? Perhaps luck. I really don't have an answer. But I know that in most cases, it doesn't happen that way. A public in Texas (5A) was hitting the playoffs in their 3rd year of football (I believe 3, maybe 4). It happens, to both public and private. fbjz This isn't Texas. To many good private and public schools in the Laf. area. No way a new school can rise to the top in sports that quick. It takes time to build a program.
It goes back to my base. Yes, I like the split and why because LHSAA does not enforce the rules. Enforce the rules and I say go back together. Second, are the rules not just enforced on the private side, no, both public and private.
I agree, this isn't Texas. I was using that as an example because I happened to live in that area when they first put a team on the field. I disagree with your idea that it "cant happen". Just because it doesn't happen often or has never happened in a specific area, that doesn't mean it's not possible. I agree that the LHSAA has a nasty habit of not enforcing rules. Enforce rules and come back together, I like the idea. The problem is that there are too many people that are not reasonable (as you seem to be on the matter).
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Post by btown on Apr 22, 2016 20:04:44 GMT -6
This isn't Texas. To many good private and public schools in the Laf. area. No way a new school can rise to the top in sports that quick. It takes time to build a program.
It goes back to my base. Yes, I like the split and why because LHSAA does not enforce the rules. Enforce the rules and I say go back together. Second, are the rules not just enforced on the private side, no, both public and private.
I agree, this isn't Texas. I was using that as an example because I happened to live in that area when they first put a team on the field. I disagree with your idea that it "cant happen". Just because it doesn't happen often or has never happened in a specific area, that doesn't mean it's not possible. I agree that the LHSAA has a nasty habit of not enforcing rules. Enforce rules and come back together, I like the idea. The problem is that there are too many people that are not reasonable (as you seem to be on the matter). Not reasonable because to long of not enforcing rules.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 23, 2016 16:13:37 GMT -6
I don't know. Maybe hype for a new program? Perhaps luck. I really don't have an answer. But I know that in most cases, it doesn't happen that way. A public in Texas (5A) was hitting the playoffs in their 3rd year of football (I believe 3, maybe 4). It happens, to both public and private. fbjz This isn't Texas. To many good private and public schools in the Laf. area. No way a new school can rise to the top in sports that quick. It takes time to build a program.
It goes back to my base. Yes, I like the split and why because LHSAA does not enforce the rules. Enforce the rules and I say go back together. Second, are the rules not just enforced on the private side, no, both public and private.
btown did you really just say that? Texas football is just plain better than ours. If new programs can win there legitly they can do so anywhere
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Post by btown on Apr 23, 2016 21:39:54 GMT -6
This isn't Texas. To many good private and public schools in the Laf. area. No way a new school can rise to the top in sports that quick. It takes time to build a program.
It goes back to my base. Yes, I like the split and why because LHSAA does not enforce the rules. Enforce the rules and I say go back together. Second, are the rules not just enforced on the private side, no, both public and private.
btown did you really just say that? Texas football is just plain better than ours. If new programs can win there legitly they can do so anywhere You need to read the string and not just one post.
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Post by deadman318 on Apr 26, 2016 9:09:38 GMT -6
Again, which rule was broken? Really doesn't matter... If the metro / rural thing comes to pass Notre Dame will WALK through to the Dome... And win at the Dome...
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Post by 1stdown on Apr 27, 2016 3:03:39 GMT -6
Alot of info about other states in public vs private sports .http://www.statelinesportsnetwork.com/50solutions.htm
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