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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 21:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 21:17:10 GMT -6
I know I picked the e to win state But after the past two weeks , I'm shocked by the lack of offense. Curtis wil kill them Wow
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Post by pinion on Nov 24, 2017 21:32:03 GMT -6
Sad. Very sad.
They went from bad to worse on offense. I think moving key players from defense to offense and having key players trying to play both ways bit them in the butt.
I would say that it's shocking, but it's really not. bad decisions have kept ECA under a thumb for a while now. The best defense in the world can't make up for zero offense.
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Post by mt on Nov 24, 2017 21:34:03 GMT -6
Sad. Very sad. They went from bad to worse on offense. I think moving key players from defense to offense and having key players trying to play both ways bit them in the butt. I would say that it's shocking, but it's really not. bad decisions have kept ECA under a thumb for a while now. The best defense in the world can't make up for zero offense. Pinion it was absolutely shocking the holding calls but more so the lack of offense. I saw they struggled vs LW in the Spring Game but definitely expected improvement! Tonight was shocking to say the least. I know Dawson is a defensive guy but wow
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Post by pinion on Nov 24, 2017 21:42:07 GMT -6
Sad. Very sad. They went from bad to worse on offense. I think moving key players from defense to offense and having key players trying to play both ways bit them in the butt. I would say that it's shocking, but it's really not. bad decisions have kept ECA under a thumb for a while now. The best defense in the world can't make up for zero offense. Pinion it was absolutely shocking the holding calls but more so the lack of offense. I saw they struggled vs LW in the Spring Game but definitely expected improvement! Tonight was shocking to say the least. I know Dawson is a defensive guy but wow Yeah, it's just crazy really. they pulled a few guys that have always played defense and started playing them a lot on offense. And then they suffer on defense because of it. they still have a solid defense. but suck on offense. Evangel hasn't played with much urgency in several seasons. It's like they just hit the field and figure "we win or we dont" and completely rely on a strong defense. that's carried them a bit. Until they screwed with the defense enough to where they aren't as solid as they should be.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 21:42:23 GMT -6
I am shocked Really How do you not score an offense touchdown and still win the game 🤔🤔
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Post by pinion on Nov 24, 2017 21:44:16 GMT -6
I am shocked Really How do you not score an offense touchdown and still win the game 🤔🤔 I'm a pretty disappointed. We don't have anything to argue about now. hahaha.
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Post by mt on Nov 24, 2017 21:44:25 GMT -6
Pinion it was absolutely shocking the holding calls but more so the lack of offense. I saw they struggled vs LW in the Spring Game but definitely expected improvement! Tonight was shocking to say the least. I know Dawson is a defensive guy but wow Yeah, it's just crazy really. they pulled a few guys that have always played defense and started playing them a lot on offense. And then they suffer on defense because of it. they still have a solid defense. but suck on offense. Evangel hasn't played with much urgency in several seasons. It's like they just hit the field and figure "we win or we dont" and completely rely on a strong defense. that's carried them a bit. Until they screwed with the defense enough to where they aren't as solid as they should be. Now i do agree there. I saw the dominant Evangel teams and if they got a lead they went for the kill. This years and last years teams seem to get a lead and say “hey defense we did our job”
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 21:45:30 GMT -6
I need to hear what BGH has to say. He's brutally honest when it comes to the e
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 21:51:18 GMT -6
20 points in 2 weeks? Catholic's defense isn't that good to hold the e to 6 points
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Post by mt on Nov 24, 2017 21:51:57 GMT -6
I need to hear what BGH has to say. He's brutally honest when it comes to the e I believe Pinion is being real also. I watched the livestream. Catholic did not score an offensive TD, they scored on a blocked punt and pick 6. Evangel did nothing to threaten Catholic defense all game but one time on a deep throw. Ferttita made some gutsy calls and Evangel penalties were killer. Never seen this penalized of an Evangel team. Like Pinion said it almost looked like they didn’t care. I won’t go that far but the urgency simply wasn’t there offensively
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Post by pinion on Nov 24, 2017 21:56:31 GMT -6
I need to hear what BGH has to say. He's brutally hokey when it comes to the e I know for sure 2 of ECA's better defensive guys, that have played defense almost exclusively since middle school, ended up on offense a lot. My own opinion is that when you have Cotton and Chatman (big nasty and Cujo) headlining your defense, then Cotton goes out, it's probably not the best idea to try and make Chatman a running back. I mean, I get what they were wanting to do. But it was evident weeks ago (several weeks ago) that it wasn't really going to work. I wouldn't have done it that way. But then, I'm a mechanic, not a coach. However, I feel like I've watched enough ball to know when something isn't going to work. Evangel will have plenty of time to figure out what they need to do. Weirdly enough, I noticed on the broadcast several folks on the ECA sideline that seemed like they weren't bothered by the impending loss at all. They were chatting each other up and had big smiles on their faces... I think that goes back to that lack of urgency thing. Or maybe it's just real lack of concern. But if you aren't going to care enough to at least wear a serious face on the sidelines, maybe the sidelines aren't for you.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 22:04:26 GMT -6
Would Cotton have made a difference since the Catholic offense didn't score?
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Post by pinion on Nov 24, 2017 22:10:16 GMT -6
Would Cotton have made a difference since the Catholic offense didn't score? Honestly, I'd say yes. Because I think it would have caused E to have a different approach to the game. Plus, his presence on the field is a game changer. For both teams. He's not just a defensive player, he's a defensive leader. And a team leader. Catholic was able to move the ball right up the middle a good bit tonight. If ECA had Cotton and Chatman on the D-line, that would not have happened at all. And some of the d-line mistakes would also not have happened. We still have a lot of friends on Broadacres and I really hate this loss for them. Curtis will skulldrag Catholic. I guess I'd rather Curtis beat down Catholic and than Evangel though. haha.
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Post by BGH on Nov 24, 2017 22:11:39 GMT -6
Pinion it was absolutely shocking the holding calls but more so the lack of offense. I saw they struggled vs LW in the Spring Game but definitely expected improvement! Tonight was shocking to say the least. I know Dawson is a defensive guy but wow Yeah, it's just crazy really. they pulled a few guys that have always played defense and started playing them a lot on offense. And then they suffer on defense because of it. they still have a solid defense. but suck on offense. Evangel hasn't played with much urgency in several seasons. It's like they just hit the field and figure "we win or we dont" and completely rely on a strong defense. that's carried them a bit. Until they screwed with the defense enough to where they aren't as solid as they should be. It is kind of hard to move the ball when every time you have a big play or pick up a first down, the reff throws a flag. This game would have been over in the first quarter when Evangel intercepted the ball around the Catholic 35, threw for a first down but got penalized for holding. Then have another big gainer nullified by penalty. Next thing you know it was 3rd and 35. That is kind of how the rest of the night went. Did you notice most of the penalties came from the two reffs on Catholics side of the field. How about when the game was still 7 to 6 and Evangel was trying to put a drive together from deep in their own territory. The play clock was around 10 seconds, Evangel was at the line running a play. and the Catholic coach was 8 yards out on the field at the 20 yard line and the reff stops play. Every single reff on the field ( I have never seen that before) went over to talk to the Catholic coach. NO penalty, no nothing, they just resumed play like nothing happened. And low and behold the pick six happened right after that. The Catholic kids played their hearts out with lots of enthusiasm, and I happy for them. They represented their school well. The Catholic coaches did not represent their school so well (including the loudmouth jerk on top of the press box), and I hope Curtis kicks their butts, but they better hope they don't get these reffs. I feel horrible for the Evangel kids, i think their coaches have let them down several weeks in a row. While i wish the kids could have won, these coaches did not deserve to win. I am definitely not in the know about what goes on at Evangel anymore, but I have heard a rumor for most of this season that this is Dawson's last year. Maybe wearing Purple & Gold next year? I hope most of his coaches leave too.
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Post by mt on Nov 24, 2017 22:11:49 GMT -6
Would Cotton have made a difference since the Catholic offense didn't score? Honestly, I'd say yes. Because I think it would have caused E to have a different approach to the game. Plus, his presence on the field is a game changer. For both teams. He's not just a defensive player, he's a defensive leader. And a team leader. Catholic was able to move the ball right up the middle a good bit tonight. If ECA had Cotton and Chatman on the D-line, that would not have happened at all. And some of the d-line mistakes would also not have happened. We still have a lot of friends on Broadacres and I really hate this loss for them. Curtis will skulldrag Catholic. I guess I'd rather Curtis beat down Catholic and than Evangel though. haha. Catholic also had no fear of running between the tackles. Baskerville was either flanked or playing OLB and it hurt them. Catholic QB ran without being punished
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 22:13:58 GMT -6
I can't buy that Trust me ECA wanted to win. What team that has a chance to repeat as state champs, and beat their most hated rival in the process, will simply seem not interested in winning the game to give them that opportunity? All I can say is that the e is far better than what was on the field the past 2 weeks
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Post by mt on Nov 24, 2017 22:14:21 GMT -6
Yeah, it's just crazy really. they pulled a few guys that have always played defense and started playing them a lot on offense. And then they suffer on defense because of it. they still have a solid defense. but suck on offense. Evangel hasn't played with much urgency in several seasons. It's like they just hit the field and figure "we win or we dont" and completely rely on a strong defense. that's carried them a bit. Until they screwed with the defense enough to where they aren't as solid as they should be. It is kind of hard to move the ball when every time you have a big play or pick up a first down, the reff throws a flag. This game would have been over in the first quarter when Evangel intercepted the ball around the Catholic 35, threw for a first down but got penalized for holding. Then have another big gainer nullified by penalty. Next thing you know it was 3rd and 35. That is kind of how the rest of the night went. Did you notice most of the penalties came from the two reffs on Catholics side of the field. How about when the game was still 7 to 6 and Evangel was trying to put a drive together from deep in their own territory. The play clock was around 10 seconds, Evangel was at the line running a play. and the Catholic coach was 8 yards out on the field at the 20 yard line and the reff stops play. Every single reff on the field ( I have never seen that before) went over to talk to the Catholic coach. NO penalty, no nothing, they just resumed play like nothing happened. And low and behold the pick six happened right after that. The Catholic kids played their hearts out with lots of enthusiasm, and I happy for them. They represented their school well. The Catholic coaches did not represent their school so well (including the loudmouth jerk on top of the press box), and I hope Curtis kicks their butts, but they better hope they don't get these reffs. I feel horrible for the Evangel kids, i think their coaches have let them down several weeks in a row. While i wish the kids could have won, these coaches did not deserve to win. I am definitely not in the know about what goes on at Evangel anymore, but I have heard a rumor for most of this season that this is Dawson's last year. Maybe wearing Purple & Gold next year? I hope most of his coaches leave too. I’ve heard that also sir about Dawson angling potentially to P&G and I’m in Baton Rouge. And that began to heat up after Marcus Randall got in that mess. I don’t know the truth but i have heard it too. I know Bernard stepdad is on the staff also, i went to school with that kids mom and played Flag Football with his dad so wouldn’t be shocked if he’s gone too
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Post by Dome91 on Nov 24, 2017 22:23:07 GMT -6
Scotlandville coaches need they ask whipped. That was sorry tonight like last year!!!
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Post by splash53 on Nov 24, 2017 22:23:57 GMT -6
Chapman went out with a high ankle sprain at the end of the second quarter. Cotton, Chapman and # 90 all out. That’s 3 interior lineman. Just seemed like Catholic wanted it more although injuries and a flagfest by a NO crew were brutal. Every time the offense made a big play it was called back. We also got smoked on special teams.
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Post by splash53 on Nov 24, 2017 22:27:18 GMT -6
Chapman went out with a high ankle sprain at the end of the second quarter. Cotton, Chapman and # 90 all out. That’s 3 interior lineman. Just seemed like Catholic wanted it more although injuries and a flagfest by a NO crew were brutal. Every time the offense made a big play it was called back. We also got smoked on special teams.
I’m going to my cacophony now.
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Post by splash53 on Nov 24, 2017 22:27:47 GMT -6
That cacoon.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Nov 24, 2017 22:38:26 GMT -6
I am shocked Really How do you not score an offensive touchdown and still win the game 🤔🤔 Same way St Charles beat the Pios last year with no offensive TD's
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 22:39:01 GMT -6
Honestly, I thought you guys were unstoppable! Then after the rummel game I was like, ok, the e is just rusty. But then Catholic Hold you guys to 6 points blew my mind . Even with the refs flags that you guys are taking about, the e is still good enough to overcome that and score more than 6 damn points Hahnville had close to 200 yards in penalties and still put up over 30 points
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 24, 2017 22:49:18 GMT -6
Well guys keep your heads up. You have a really good program, really good kids, awesome fans, and a solid tradition. No school can ever say they elected to play up 3 CLASSES, took on the big boys, and won a state championship at the highest level. I'll always have immense respect for ECA
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 7:57:26 GMT -6
I agree with everything I have read about Evangels offense. I have watched them since they first started a football program and this years offense is the worst i have ever seen! You all are right, they play with no URGENCY whatsoever. Its like they are going through the motion. The problem I see is the coaching has really dropped on offense. Evangel has always been known for their great passing game that could score almost at will.
Since coach Dawson has taken the reins, the Eagles pass less and less every year. The offensive coordinator looks like he doesn't understand how to call plays. Against Catholic, the Eagles tried to run up the middle all night. They had 8 men in the box daring Evangel to throw the ball on them. They were giving the Eagles the drag, post and slant routs all night. For some weird reason Evangel choose not to throw them. The comeback route on the outside was a ten yard pickup all night. Anytime you have a head coach that played on the line, then his mentality is to run the ball because that is all he knows.
The Eagles have a QB with the strongest arm I have seen in high school to this day. He just needs to be developed into making the right decisions. Also, against Catholic last night, Evangels best receiver, number #18, didn't even get a ball thrown to him the whole night until the game was on the line. Penalties have plagued Evangel all year. It wasn't the Refs last night. They have more holding calls because the offensive receivers are taking to long to get open on the long routs. What happened to the curl or corner routes that are so easy to get open and complete. Evangel used to be the best on corner routes in the state, now you won't see them throw one.
They had better get back to what made Evangel an offensive powerhouse, because from what I am hearing they will loose a third of their team in the off season if changes are not made.
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Post by kbanes on Nov 25, 2017 8:09:17 GMT -6
Humm. 19 replies to the original question, and not a single person has offered up the possibility that Catholic might be able to play a little defense.
Catholic might be able to play a little defense.
Football in the Baton Rouge Metro might be a little bit better than some people suppose.
Scoring statistics might be a little deceiving when your out of division schedule is Parkview Baptist, Zachary, U-High, St. Thomas More, and Teurlings Catholic.
Yes, there is a distinct possibility that Catholic is pretty good.
Nah, that can't be it.
kbanes
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 25, 2017 10:51:29 GMT -6
Humm. 19 replies to the original question, and not a single person has offered up the possibility that Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Football in the Baton Rouge Metro might be a little bit better than some people suppose. Scoring statistics might be a little deceiving when your out of division schedule is Parkview Baptist, Zachary, U-High, St. Thomas More, and Teurlings Catholic. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that Catholic is pretty good. Nah, that can't be it. kbanes Very true. That is an amazing non-district schedule
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Post by BGH on Nov 25, 2017 12:36:22 GMT -6
Humm. 19 replies to the original question, and not a single person has offered up the possibility that Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Football in the Baton Rouge Metro might be a little bit better than some people suppose. Scoring statistics might be a little deceiving when your out of division schedule is Parkview Baptist, Zachary, U-High, St. Thomas More, and Teurlings Catholic. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that Catholic is pretty good. Nah, that can't be it. kbanes No one said they weren't good. They get to go to the dome, and Evangel gets to go home. But the defense you are so high on gave up 155 yards in the first half, and I can't find it in writing anywhere but I was told Evangel had a little over 300 yards total. That is a lot of yards to only get in the red zone one time. Perhaps the 12 penalties for 97 yards had something to do with that. When you tack on an extra 10 to 20 yards to each drive it makes life a little tough. Add the yardage that those penalties took away from Evangel and they easily had another 100 yards of offense. Here is what great defense actually looks like. Catholic had 68 yards at halftime. The only time Catholic crossed midfield in the first half was due to a facemask penalty thrown from 30 yards down the field when no reff near the pile saw it. Catholic had 37 yards offense in the second half, for a total of 105 for the game. That is what actual defense looks like. Yet the guys who played by far the best defense and the guys who also played by far the best offense, will be cleaning our their lockers next week.
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Post by mt on Nov 25, 2017 12:39:07 GMT -6
Humm. 19 replies to the original question, and not a single person has offered up the possibility that Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Catholic might be able to play a little defense. Football in the Baton Rouge Metro might be a little bit better than some people suppose. Scoring statistics might be a little deceiving when your out of division schedule is Parkview Baptist, Zachary, U-High, St. Thomas More, and Teurlings Catholic. Yes, there is a distinct possibility that Catholic is pretty good. Nah, that can't be it. kbanes No one said they weren't good. They get to go to the dome, and Evangel gets to go home. But the defense you are so high on gave up 155 yards in the first half, and I can't find it in writing anywhere but I was told Evangel had a little over 300 yards total. That is a lot of yards to only get in the red zone one time. Perhaps the 12 penalties for 97 yards had something to do with that. When you tack on an extra 10 to 20 yards to each drive it makes life a little tough. Add the yardage that those penalties took away from Evangel and they easily had another 100 yards of offense. Here is what great defense actually looks like. Catholic had 68 yards at halftime. The only time Catholic crossed midfield in the first half was due to a facemask penalty thrown from 30 yards down the field when no reff near the pile saw it. Catholic had 37 yards offense in the second half, for a total of 105 for the game. That is what actual defense looks like. Yet the guys who played by far the best defense and the guys who also played by far the best offense, will be cleaning our their lockers next week. 3 phases to every game and Catholic all year has won the special teams battle. Tonight it was great punts, kickoffs that didn’t allow for returns was HUGE because the dangerous returners never got a chance and of course the blocked punt
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