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Post by wtiger on Nov 28, 2017 10:31:38 GMT -6
Allen isn't the defending champs, they lost last season. My brother in law graduated from there and follows them us the only reason I know.
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 28, 2017 10:34:11 GMT -6
Pinion, I started to feel bad about doubting your theory that the only way to make your bones was to play a Texas 6A team. I decided to check on the EC past performance to gauge their success in these titanic struggles against the best of Texas. Using the LHSAA web site list of Schedules and results (available from 2009-2010 to the present), I found out the following: Since 2009, EC has not played a Texas 6A team. This may be misleading, as Texas 6A did not exist until 2014. (Let that sink in for a minute. EC has never played a Texas 6A team.) Since 2009 EC has played 3 Texas 5A teams. They have lost to Allen Texas twice, by a combined score of 73-17. In 2012, they beat 5A Texas High 54-7. Texas High finished 3-7 that year. Their only other wins against out of state competiton is a 62-0 win over 2A Idabel Ok (7-5), in 2015 and a 30-6 win over 3A Jefferson County Ms.(4-7) in 2009. The three wins are to teams with a combined 14-17 record. They have lost to: 1A Shiloh Christion, Ak 5A Union Ok, twice 4A Lafayette Ms. 5A St. Josephs PA So, in the last 9 years, EC has beaten 1 5A Texas team that could't do better than 3-7, 1 2A Oklahoma team, and 1 3A Mississippi team. 7 losses. Is that is the North Louisiana requirement to be considered "elite"? Maybe you need to find a different method to demean Catholic. And please put some thought into it this time. I am not Pinion but I would like to respond to a few things you have put out. But first let me correct a few of your errors. Allen Texas is a 6A football school with over 5 thousand students. The LHSAA tries to fit schools into what class they would be in Louisiana, not what class they are in their own state. Allen is the defending 6A State Champs, and they are currently ranked #1 in Texas and still in the playoffs. You also seem to have left out 7A Defending Illinois State Champ East St that Evangel beat earlier this years. They were undefeated (except to Evangel) and ranked #1 until they lost in the quarterfinals last week. You only went back to 2009 but Evangel has a much longer history of playing out-of-state teams than that, but i will stick to your numbers. You pointed out the records of three out-of-state teams that Evangel has beaten, but you fail to realize that those teams were coming off State Championship runs which is why Evangel scheduled them in the first place. The games were not scheduled for easy wins. You also point out that Evangel lost 5 games to 4 different teams you listed, but you failed to give us the records of those teams. Each one of those teams were Nationally ranked when Evangel played them. That little 1A Shiloh Christian was actually playing in a higher Arkansas classification and was built by Gus Malzahn who is now at Auburn. Regardless, Evangel has not performed well against those type teams since 2009. I would even go back 2004 and say Evangel has taken their lumps against out of state teams. But what is funny, is that even though you are making light of Evangel's schedule ......... they won 3 State Championships and were runner-up once since 2009, and 6 State Championships with 2 runner-ups since 2004. So when you are demeaning Evangel, what does that say about the state of Louisiana High School Football in general? Since you have chosen to turn this into a North/South "thing", I will add fuel to that fire. I have long seen south Louisiana fans brag about how great football is here, especially in South Louisiana, yet they NEVER go test themselves against good out-of-state teams. There are a few exceptions but it is rare. So while you are busy running down Evangel, please give us Catholics stats against outside competition. Go ahead and give us Catholics signature win or wins in the last 20 years. I like to call a spade a spade, and BGH just absolutely did that. This is a very factual post. I see both of y'alls arguments but I think the source for KBanes was a little misleading.
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Post by mt on Nov 28, 2017 10:51:06 GMT -6
Allen isn't the defending champs, they lost last season. My brother in law graduated from there and follows them us the only reason I know. Desoto won. Correct.
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Post by mt on Nov 28, 2017 10:55:21 GMT -6
Pinion, I started to feel bad about doubting your theory that the only way to make your bones was to play a Texas 6A team. I decided to check on the EC past performance to gauge their success in these titanic struggles against the best of Texas. Using the LHSAA web site list of Schedules and results (available from 2009-2010 to the present), I found out the following: Since 2009, EC has not played a Texas 6A team. This may be misleading, as Texas 6A did not exist until 2014. (Let that sink in for a minute. EC has never played a Texas 6A team.) Since 2009 EC has played 3 Texas 5A teams. They have lost to Allen Texas twice, by a combined score of 73-17. In 2012, they beat 5A Texas High 54-7. Texas High finished 3-7 that year. Their only other wins against out of state competiton is a 62-0 win over 2A Idabel Ok (7-5), in 2015 and a 30-6 win over 3A Jefferson County Ms.(4-7) in 2009. The three wins are to teams with a combined 14-17 record. They have lost to: 1A Shiloh Christion, Ak 5A Union Ok, twice 4A Lafayette Ms. 5A St. Josephs PA So, in the last 9 years, EC has beaten 1 5A Texas team that could't do better than 3-7, 1 2A Oklahoma team, and 1 3A Mississippi team. 7 losses. Is that is the North Louisiana requirement to be considered "elite"? Maybe you need to find a different method to demean Catholic. And please put some thought into it this time. I am not Pinion but I would like to respond to a few things you have put out. But first let me correct a few of your errors. Allen Texas is a 6A football school with over 5 thousand students. The LHSAA tries to fit schools into what class they would be in Louisiana, not what class they are in their own state. Allen is the defending 6A State Champs, and they are currently ranked #1 in Texas and still in the playoffs. You also seem to have left out 7A Defending Illinois State Champ East St that Evangel beat earlier this years. They were undefeated (except to Evangel) and ranked #1 until they lost in the quarterfinals last week. You only went back to 2009 but Evangel has a much longer history of playing out-of-state teams than that, but i will stick to your numbers. You pointed out the records of three out-of-state teams that Evangel has beaten, but you fail to realize that those teams were coming off State Championship runs which is why Evangel scheduled them in the first place. The games were not scheduled for easy wins. You also point out that Evangel lost 5 games to 4 different teams you listed, but you failed to give us the records of those teams. Each one of those teams were Nationally ranked when Evangel played them. That little 1A Shiloh Christian was actually playing in a higher Arkansas classification and was built by Gus Malzahn who is now at Auburn. Regardless, Evangel has not performed well against those type teams since 2009. I would even go back 2004 and say Evangel has taken their lumps against out of state teams. But what is funny, is that even though you are making light of Evangel's schedule ......... they won 3 State Championships and were runner-up once since 2009, and 6 State Championships with 2 runner-ups since 2004. So when you are demeaning Evangel, what does that say about the state of Louisiana High School Football in general? Since you have chosen to turn this into a North/South "thing", I will add fuel to that fire. I have long seen south Louisiana fans brag about how great football is here, especially in South Louisiana, yet they NEVER go test themselves against good out-of-state teams. There are a few exceptions but it is rare. So while you are busy running down Evangel, please give us Catholics stats against outside competition. Go ahead and give us Catholics signature win or wins in the last 20 years. I think this is headed in multiple directions. First off Louisiana needs to stop comparing itself to Texas on a grand scale. Texas doesn’t care what we do so we shouldn’t worry about them. Now as for the North vs South thing, call me bias as you choose, i can accept that. But i think there’s been a pretty clear shift in power within the last 10-20 years with this. North Louisiana long ran Louisiana football for a myriad of reasons i will not mention cause i don’t want points misconstrued as excuses. But i do believe it is pretty safe to say that South Louisiana football is as strong as it’s ever been from the team and individual standpoint
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 28, 2017 11:43:28 GMT -6
Wow! Some of these posts look like short stories in length
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Post by BGH on Nov 28, 2017 14:45:43 GMT -6
I am not Pinion but I would like to respond to a few things you have put out. I think this is headed in multiple directions. First off Louisiana needs to stop comparing itself to Texas on a grand scale. Texas doesn’t care what we do so we shouldn’t worry about them. Now as for the North vs South thing, call me bias as you choose, i can accept that. But i think there’s been a pretty clear shift in power within the last 10-20 years with this. North Louisiana long ran Louisiana football for a myriad of reasons i will not mention cause i don’t want points misconstrued as excuses. But i do believe it is pretty safe to say that South Louisiana football is as strong as it’s ever been from the team and individual standpoint First off Louisiana needs to stop comparing itself to Texas on a grand scale. Texas doesn’t care what we do so we shouldn’t worry about them. Really?? I thought the American way was to set you sight's on the best, and try to out-do them. Texas strives to be the best in everything, that is why they do so well. If you think they don't care, just go and beat their State Champions a few times (like West Monroe and Evangel have done) and see how they react. I agree with you about the shift in power. It used to be like a pendulum, but I am not sure why because the south has ALWAYS had the predominant amount of teams to begin with. But the new segregated play-off system may have frozen the pendulum. Look at Div I, of the thirteen teams only two are from North Louisiana. Div II has 13 teams with only one from North Louisiana. Div. III with 13 teams only has two from North Louisiana. With 87 percent of the teams the odds dictate that the South should win 9 out of 10 years. Even in 5A, 83% of the schools are from South Louisiana. What would those odds tell you about teams from the south winning championships? Throw into the mix that ALL Championship games are played in South Louisiana and it is a miracle that any team from North Louisiana ever wins.
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Post by mt on Nov 28, 2017 15:01:53 GMT -6
I think this is headed in multiple directions. First off Louisiana needs to stop comparing itself to Texas on a grand scale. Texas doesn’t care what we do so we shouldn’t worry about them. Now as for the North vs South thing, call me bias as you choose, i can accept that. But i think there’s been a pretty clear shift in power within the last 10-20 years with this. North Louisiana long ran Louisiana football for a myriad of reasons i will not mention cause i don’t want points misconstrued as excuses. But i do believe it is pretty safe to say that South Louisiana football is as strong as it’s ever been from the team and individual standpoint First off Louisiana needs to stop comparing itself to Texas on a grand scale. Texas doesn’t care what we do so we shouldn’t worry about them. Really?? I thought the American way was to set you sight's on the best, and try to out-do them. Texas strives to be the best in everything, that is why they do so well. If you think they don't care, just go and beat their State Champions a few times (like West Monroe and Evangel have done) and see how they react. I agree with you about the shift in power. It used to be like a pendulum, but I am not sure why because the south has ALWAYS had the predominant amount of teams to begin with. But the new segregated play-off system may have frozen the pendulum. Look at Div I, of the thirteen teams only two are from North Louisiana. Div II has 13 teams with only one from North Louisiana. Div. III with 13 teams only has two from North Louisiana. With 87 percent of the teams the odds dictate that the South should win 9 out of 10 years. Even in 5A, 83% of the schools are from South Louisiana. What would those odds tell you about teams from the south winning championships? Throw into the mix that ALL Championship games are played in South Louisiana and it is a miracle that any team from North Louisiana ever wins. I’m not a huge homefield advantage guy myself but i see the point. I also know that 3 of the top 5 most populated cities in the state are in South La., Baton Rouge, Lafayette and of course New Orleans. Top 4 of 6 if Lake Charles is included. They is an abundance, probably over abundance of private schools in South La as well but money and power gives you those things whenever you want. As for the Texas thing, i would guess that the greater Houston metro area and greater DFW both have the population that equals the entire state. Now would i like to see some South La vs Houston contests? Oh absolutely i would. But it’s not happening. Neither see the benefit outside of competition and Houston doesn’t Even respect us to that point. Every now and then we will get one. Mississippi and Florida games happen more often. But I mean I’ve talked to coaches in Houston who still laugh at the fact that we play on natural grass. Not to mention who gets the money, and it’s always about the money. But as for the school thing, i could easily reverse that and say that while South LA has an abundance of schools, with North LA not having as many, that’s more kids for less schools so those teams could have the opportunity to be ultra talented as they have been. Biggest differences I’ve seen are two. Spread Offenses and kids actually now taking pride in playing on the offensive and defensive line. That is something North La always had pride in, being big physical and powerful. Well South La now has that in abundance too
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Post by zebra on Nov 28, 2017 15:05:52 GMT -6
The way this thread keeps going sounds like everyone is still looking for EC offense
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Post by mt on Nov 28, 2017 15:06:31 GMT -6
The way this thread keeps going sounds like everyone is still looking for EC offense I laughed lol
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Post by BGH on Nov 28, 2017 15:46:29 GMT -6
The way this thread keeps going sounds like everyone is still looking for EC offense The answer to that is easy. It is in your board name and avatar.
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Post by zebra on Nov 28, 2017 15:50:33 GMT -6
T okhe way this thread keeps going sounds like everyone is still looking for EC offense The answer to that is easy. It is in your board name and avatar.[/qluote] So if you would allow me to clarify ..................it was the officials fault? I've never heard that one before. In all seriousness which association we're they from if you don't mind me asking!.
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Post by BGH on Nov 28, 2017 19:50:55 GMT -6
The answer to that is easy. It is in your board name and avatar.[/qluote] So if you would allow me to clarify ..................it was the officials fault? I've never heard that one before. In all seriousness which association we're they from if you don't mind me asking!. I've never heard that one before.That would surprise me. In all seriousness which association we're they from if you don't mind me asking!.How would I know? Why would it matter? You made the smart-alec comment about looking for Evangel's offense? My point was that if you add the 100 yards in penalties back, and the 100 yards (conservative estimate) in plays that were taken away by yellow flags, Evangel would have had 500 yards in offense.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 28, 2017 22:05:17 GMT -6
The answer to that is easy. It is in your board name and avatar.[/qluote] So if you would allow me to clarify ..................it was the officials fault? I've never heard that one before. In all seriousness which association we're they from if you don't mind me asking!. Oh oh, BHG done broke out the red font on you now. It just got REAL!!
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Post by zebra on Nov 28, 2017 22:53:24 GMT -6
Oh oh, BHG done broke out the red font on you now. It just got REAL!! You see how much it bothered me southplaq, most peeps I would have responded. That one wasn't worth my time. His team got beat and he's still a little upset. 😭 Way to any people get but hurt around here! That red pen sure does the trick! It put me in my place👍
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 28, 2017 23:03:24 GMT -6
You see how much it bothered me southplaq, most peeps I would have responded. That one wasn't worth my time. His team got beat and he's still a little upset. 😭 Way to any people get but hurt around here! That red pen sure does the trick! It put me in my place👍 Lmbo! Yep I had many many many "red font" conversations with BHG. Always seem that the refs aren't a factor until they lose. I don't think I've ever seen ECA lose a game that they deserved to lose. They either beat themselves or the refs beat them 😉
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Post by zebra on Nov 28, 2017 23:05:21 GMT -6
You see how much it bothered me southplaq, most peeps I would have responded. That one wasn't worth my time. His team got beat and he's still a little upset. 😭 Way to any people get but hurt around here! That red pen sure does the trick! It put me in my place👍 Lmbo! Yep I had many many many "red font" conversations with BHG. Always seem that the refs aren't a factor until they lose. I don't think I've ever seen ECA lose a game that they deserved to lose. They either beat themselves or the refs beat them 😉 Listen brother I don't have time for that nonsence. To steal a very well know line......don't go away angry just GO AWAY!
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Post by BGH on Nov 29, 2017 0:05:38 GMT -6
You see how much it bothered me southplaq, most peeps I would have responded. That one wasn't worth my time. His team got beat and he's still a little upset. 😭 Way to any people get but hurt around here! That red pen sure does the trick! It put me in my place👍 The red was to differentiate your quote from my response. Most people would pick up on that, but I am not sure about how "peeps" think. Would you prefer another color ......... how about pink? Just for the record, I am not a "peep", and I really didn't expect you to respond anyway. You seem to be friends with Southplaq so maybe you can get him to make you an administrator too. That way when you get to the point when you are frustrated and don't know how to respond, you can just lock the thread like Southplaq does.
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Post by Southplaq on Nov 29, 2017 12:06:30 GMT -6
You see how much it bothered me southplaq, most peeps I would have responded. That one wasn't worth my time. His team got beat and he's still a little upset. 😭 Way to any people get but hurt around here! That red pen sure does the trick! It put me in my place👍 The red was to differentiate your quote from my response. Most people would pick up on that, but I am not sure about how "peeps" think. Would you prefer another color ......... how about pink? Just for the record, I am not a "peep", and I really didn't expect you to respond anyway. You seem to be friends with Southplaq so maybe you can get him to make you an administrator too. That way when you get to the point when you are frustrated and don't know how to respond, you can just lock the thread like Southplaq does. 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼 Nice one BGH But SOUTHPLAQ Doesn't have any friends.
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Post by pinion on Nov 29, 2017 21:54:21 GMT -6
You seem awfully butthurt to not be a fan. Or maybe it's just that you are a fan of whomever ECA is playing. Either is fine by me, really. I think ECA is better than anybody in the state on offense. Unfortunately for them, you have to have offense and defense. The biggest problem for ECA wasn't Catholic, it was their own piss poor excuse for an offense. If catholic is okay with getting 2nd place on the season, so be it. If a team wants to be an elite team, winning a Louisiana championship here and there ain't gonna do it. If Catholics aspirations are only to win the occasional championship, then they should be tickled with that. I don't doubt you have little concern for 6A Texas teams because most of Louisiana doesn't have the nuts to line up against one of them. Rather than play a real team, they'd rather play a team 2 classes lower. If that's what those teams want, more power to them. You lost me at ECA has the best offense in the state. They don't even have the best offense in the city. Defense. That should have read defense. Sometimes my typing just kind of goes where it wants and I don't catch it before I hit the "post" button.
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Post by pinion on Nov 29, 2017 22:10:19 GMT -6
Pinion, I went to Vicksburg (MS) High School, and my kids went to Scotlandville before Scotlandville restarted football. I've been to a game every weekend this season, (Ive been to a game every weekend for the past 10 years) but only 2 of them involved Catholic. So, I have no special love for Catholic. There are probably 5 teams in Baton Rouge Metro that I see more than Catholic. I really don't have any thoughts on EC. Only seen them play once. As I said, I had no idea how that game would turn. I guess you could say that my problem was with EC fans. But I get your point now. You might be able to beat EC, but you aren't a real team until you beat a Texas 6A team. I hope you get the irony there. EC can't beat a team that theoretically can't beat a Texas 6A team. You just lowered EC ANOTHER notch. And I hope that you will continue your thought process by claiming that all LHSAA state champions in the last few years are actually inferior to North Louisiana teams if they didn't play a Texas team. Rummel, Landry-Walker, Zachary, Acadiana, Jesuit, you are all just fake champions that don't deserve your titles. Again, come up with any excuse you want to diminish Catholic. 2 EC losses to them in the last three years is probably good enough to take EC off of Catholic's "worry list". Parting shot: EC couldn't beat U-High. kbanes I'm not trying to raise or lower anything going on at ECA. I never claimed that anyone was inferior to anyone else. I can tell you this though, on a national conversation about HS football, people not in Louisiana know 2 teams and neither are named Catholic. And while that may be a non-issue for you and others, that's fine. Being a Louisiana fella, I like it when people know some teams from our state. I'd prefer Louisiana football not be a joke in other places. Given ECA's complete lack of offense, I think they'd have a hard time beating a lot of teams. If they'd not ever pass the ball, they'd probably have a chance because the offense can't score but they can obviously help other teams score. If Catholic isn't worried about ECA, that's great. If they are worried, that's great too. For me, I'm not worried either way. ECA is going to do whatever it is that they work out and do. For the most part, I like to see them do well, but really my focus is more on what's going on over here in Austin. My kids team lost last Friday as well, so now we start preparing for next season. I'd like to see Catholic schedule my kids team next season. I'm going to suggest the coach contact them about maybe playing but I don't see it happening. The teams over here feel like they can get much better competition playing other Texas teams. But I'll pitch the idea of 3-4 Louisiana teams and see what happens. Never can tell.
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Post by mt on Nov 29, 2017 22:17:46 GMT -6
Pinion, I went to Vicksburg (MS) High School, and my kids went to Scotlandville before Scotlandville restarted football. I've been to a game every weekend this season, (Ive been to a game every weekend for the past 10 years) but only 2 of them involved Catholic. So, I have no special love for Catholic. There are probably 5 teams in Baton Rouge Metro that I see more than Catholic. I really don't have any thoughts on EC. Only seen them play once. As I said, I had no idea how that game would turn. I guess you could say that my problem was with EC fans. But I get your point now. You might be able to beat EC, but you aren't a real team until you beat a Texas 6A team. I hope you get the irony there. EC can't beat a team that theoretically can't beat a Texas 6A team. You just lowered EC ANOTHER notch. And I hope that you will continue your thought process by claiming that all LHSAA state champions in the last few years are actually inferior to North Louisiana teams if they didn't play a Texas team. Rummel, Landry-Walker, Zachary, Acadiana, Jesuit, you are all just fake champions that don't deserve your titles. Again, come up with any excuse you want to diminish Catholic. 2 EC losses to them in the last three years is probably good enough to take EC off of Catholic's "worry list". Parting shot: EC couldn't beat U-High. kbanes I'm not trying to raise or lower anything going on at ECA. I never claimed that anyone was inferior to anyone else. I can tell you this though, on a national conversation about HS football, people not in Louisiana know 2 teams and neither are named Catholic. And while that may be a non-issue for you and others, that's fine. Being a Louisiana fella, I like it when people know some teams from our state. I'd prefer Louisiana football not be a joke in other places. Given ECA's complete lack of offense, I think they'd have a hard time beating a lot of teams. If they'd not ever pass the ball, they'd probably have a chance because the offense can't score but they can obviously help other teams score. If Catholic isn't worried about ECA, that's great. If they are worried, that's great too. For me, I'm not worried either way. ECA is going to do whatever it is that they work out and do. For the most part, I like to see them do well, but really my focus is more on what's going on over here in Austin. My kids team lost last Friday as well, so now we start preparing for next season. I'd like to see Catholic schedule my kids team next season. I'm going to suggest the coach contact them about maybe playing but I don't see it happening. The teams over here feel like they can get much better competition playing other Texas teams. But I'll pitch the idea of 3-4 Louisiana teams and see what happens. Never can tell. It won’t happen. Money and travel being two primary issues outside of the competition factor. Money, Facilities, Development are not on equal playing fields. As i stated in a previous post, Louisiana is still looked down upon by Texas programs. Heck we still play many games on natural grass. So on a program standpoint, yea maybe you’ll catch a fan who know Evangel, or Curtis or West Monroe, or Karr as those have been nationally ranked of late. Add Neville in too. But on a player/individual standpoint, Louisiana continues to be as respected as any state in America. Not only by statistics but by the the eyeball test. Before Saban came in an put the fence up, Louisiana littered the top programs all across the nation. That won’t stop. So yea we will struggle to keep up with the top states program wise, sure. But player for player we can go toe to toe with anyone
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Post by kbanes on Nov 29, 2017 23:01:47 GMT -6
BGH. First, I apologize for not replying sooner. I worked late last night, and didn't have much free computer time. Second I apologize for missing the East St. Louis gane earlier this year. That was pretty embarrassing. Finally, I get your concerns about misclassifying Allen Texas. I wish that I had the foresight to check the UIL website, but I didn't really expect the LHSAA to have that wrong (for the purpose that I used it.) But concerning your reply... "You pointed out the records of three out-of-state teams that Evangel has beaten, but you fail to realize that those teams were coming off State Championship runs which is why Evangel scheduled them in the first place." You beat Idabel OK in 2015. In 2014, Idabel did not win a state championship. They lost in the second round of the playoffs with a 9-4 record. Max Preps had them at 91st in Oklahoma, and 4362nd in the Nation. If EC scheduled that 2015 game based on 2014, it wasn't because they were looking for a State Champion. Idabel was 1-9 in 2013 and 2-8 in 2012. EC beat Jefferson County Ms in 2009. In 2008, Jefferson was 5-6 , and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2007, they were 7-5 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2006, they were 4-6 and not in the playoffs. They have never won a state title in football. You beat Texas High in 2012. In 2011, Texas High finished 7-4 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2010 the finished 6-5 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2009, they finished 7-4 and lost in the second round if the State Championships. So of the three teams that you say that EC scheduled because the were coming off of State Championship runs, none had been a state champion in the three previous years, none had gone further that the second round of the playoffs, and only one had a records in that three year span better than 7-4. "You Evangel lost 5 games to 4 different teams you listed, but you failed to give us the records of those teams. Each one of those teams were Nationally ranked when Evangel played them." In 2009 You beat Shiloh Christian. You played them in the first game of the season, But they had been State Champs the previous year. You say that they were nationally ranked, but the finished the previous year (as state champs, ranked 138th in the nation. Yeah, they were nationally ranked. (OK, i was assuming "nationally ranked" meant top 25 or 30. But thats OK, I can now say that my college team, Ole Miss, is nationally ranked. We might be in the top 60.) You are correct about Union Ok. They were stout during the two years that they played them, around 60th nationally both years You hit Lafayette , Ms pretty close, too. They were state champs both the year and the year before you played. Their National Ranking was 130th. Finally, there was St. Josephs, PA. They were 7-3 the year that you played them, nationally ranked 212th. So, I will give you credit for being technically correct, but we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes "Nationally Ranked". I will agree that these teams are better that what Catholic plays out of district. "But what is funny, is that even though you are making light of Evangel's schedule ......... they won 3 State Championships and were runner-up once since 2009, and 6 State Championships with 2 runner-ups since 2004. " I was not making light of EC's schudule. I was making light of the implication that EC goes out to play Texas 6A teams each year. I was making light of this because another poster had insinuated that the only way for Catholic to prove they were a good team was to regularly play Texas 6A teams. This is something that EC has only done twice in 9 years. If he had said "Teams ranked in the top 100 nationally", I might have bought into it. But it is also clear that some of the "State Champs/Nationally Ranked" teams that you take credit for is an exaggeration. "...yet they (South Louisiana teams) NEVER go test themselves against good out-of-state teams. There are a few exceptions but it is rare." Why does it matter? Do you think that South Louisiana coaches start the beginning of the year thinking that their top goal is to get a high ranking? Or do you think that South Louisiana coaches start out the year with their No. 1 goal being to win a Louisiana State Championship? There is no doubt in my mind that for 97% of the coaches in the entire state, the first goal is to win in the Dome. If that is your goal, what does playing Texas, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma , and Mississippi teams do to help you reach the playoffs? Absolutely nothing. They get the same amount of power point for beating Zachary, as you do for beating Allen, Texas. And they dont spend 70% of their travel budget to do it. I don't fault EC for playing these teams. I applaud them. I don't fault EC for ANYTHING. The only problem that I have is when EC loses to a team twice in 3 years, and some fan tries to say that it doesn't mean anything because that team didn't play tough out of conference games. It is clear that playing good Louisiana teams can prepare you to win State Championship. The idea that playing out of state teams is the only way to get respect is silly, and its disrespectful.
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Post by BGH on Nov 30, 2017 8:18:21 GMT -6
BGH. First, I apologize for not replying sooner. I worked late last night, and didn't have much free computer time. Second I apologize for missing the East St. Louis gane earlier this year. That was pretty embarrassing. Finally, I get your concerns about misclassifying Allen Texas. I wish that I had the foresight to check the UIL website, but I didn't really expect the LHSAA to have that wrong (for the purpose that I used it.) But concerning your reply... "You pointed out the records of three out-of-state teams that Evangel has beaten, but you fail to realize that those teams were coming off State Championship runs which is why Evangel scheduled them in the first place." You beat Idabel OK in 2015. In 2014, Idabel did not win a state championship. They lost in the second round of the playoffs with a 9-4 record. Max Preps had them at 91st in Oklahoma, and 4362nd in the Nation. If EC scheduled that 2015 game based on 2014, it wasn't because they were looking for a State Champion. Idabel was 1-9 in 2013 and 2-8 in 2012. EC beat Jefferson County Ms in 2009. In 2008, Jefferson was 5-6 , and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2007, they were 7-5 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2006, they were 4-6 and not in the playoffs. They have never won a state title in football. You beat Texas High in 2012. In 2011, Texas High finished 7-4 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2010 the finished 6-5 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. In 2009, they finished 7-4 and lost in the second round if the State Championships. So of the three teams that you say that EC scheduled because the were coming off of State Championship runs, none had been a state champion in the three previous years, none had gone further that the second round of the playoffs, and only one had a records in that three year span better than 7-4. "You Evangel lost 5 games to 4 different teams you listed, but you failed to give us the records of those teams. Each one of those teams were Nationally ranked when Evangel played them." In 2009 You beat Shiloh Christian. You played them in the first game of the season, But they had been State Champs the previous year. You say that they were nationally ranked, but the finished the previous year (as state champs, ranked 138th in the nation. Yeah, they were nationally ranked. (OK, i was assuming "nationally ranked" meant top 25 or 30. But thats OK, I can now say that my college team, Ole Miss, is nationally ranked. We might be in the top 60.) You are correct about Union Ok. They were stout during the two years that they played them, around 60th nationally both years You hit Lafayette , Ms pretty close, too. They were state champs both the year and the year before you played. Their National Ranking was 130th. Finally, there was St. Josephs, PA. They were 7-3 the year that you played them, nationally ranked 212th. So, I will give you credit for being technically correct, but we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes "Nationally Ranked". I will agree that these teams are better that what Catholic plays out of district. "But what is funny, is that even though you are making light of Evangel's schedule ......... they won 3 State Championships and were runner-up once since 2009, and 6 State Championships with 2 runner-ups since 2004. " I was not making light of EC's schudule. I was making light of the implication that EC goes out to play Texas 6A teams each year. I was making light of this because another poster had insinuated that the only way for Catholic to prove they were a good team was to regularly play Texas 6A teams. This is something that EC has only done twice in 9 years. If he had said "Teams ranked in the top 100 nationally", I might have bought into it. But it is also clear that some of the "State Champs/Nationally Ranked" teams that you take credit for is an exaggeration. "...yet they (South Louisiana teams) NEVER go test themselves against good out-of-state teams. There are a few exceptions but it is rare." Why does it matter? Do you think that South Louisiana coaches start the beginning of the year thinking that their top goal is to get a high ranking? Or do you think that South Louisiana coaches start out the year with their No. 1 goal being to win a Louisiana State Championship? There is no doubt in my mind that for 97% of the coaches in the entire state, the first goal is to win in the Dome. If that is your goal, what does playing Texas, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma , and Mississippi teams do to help you reach the playoffs? Absolutely nothing. They get the same amount of power point for beating Zachary, as you do for beating Allen, Texas. And they dont spend 70% of their travel budget to do it. I don't fault EC for playing these teams. I applaud them. I don't fault EC for ANYTHING. The only problem that I have is when EC loses to a team twice in 3 years, and some fan tries to say that it doesn't mean anything because that team didn't play tough out of conference games. It is clear that playing good Louisiana teams can prepare you to win State Championship. The idea that playing out of state teams is the only way to get respect is silly, and its disrespectful. The only reason I got involved in this conversation about schedules is when you made light of Evangel's out of state opponents. I am not the one that suggested Catholic play this type of schedule, and I would not suggest it now either. But I will take exception with anyone who now tries to degrade Evagnel's schedule over the last 20 years. I should have phrased the the term "Championship runs" differently. I did not mean to imply the there were Champions the previous year, but I now see that is the way it sounded. What I was trying to say is that each of those teams were expected to be very good the year they played based off their previous year and the returning talent. If I am not mistaken, several of those teams were invited by the Battle on the Border committee for the very reason that they were expected to be very good teams. There are few teams in the country that schedule the national competition that Evangel does. in your most recent post you are still trying to degrade the strength of those schedules.Your point about 6A Texas teams is moot. 6A has only been in existence for about 3 years, and prior to that they had a HUGE 5A classification that had to be broken down into LARGE 5A and SMALL 5A. But schools like Allen were still in existence, and just as big and good, before they finally split into a new classification. Regardless, Evangel has consistently played some of the best talent from Texas. In the long run, Catholic gets to choose their schedule and Evangel gets to choose theirs. All that matters this year is that Catholic beat Evangel. I was at the game and I still can't believe it happened. I watched Troy beat LSU this year, which was a shock, but at least as I watched that game unfold I could see how Troy got themselves in position to win that game on offense and defense. I watched Catholic win at Evangel two years ago in a game I felt like Evangel had firm control of with a little over a minute to go. Still in that game Catholic consistently did things on offense and defense that put them into a postilion to win that game. The game Friday night was more like sitting through an episode of the Twilight Zone. Still, Catholic won and you get to "dog" Evangel for the loss. I don't like it ...... but that's life. It does not, however, give license to "dog" Evangel's history, and when you do I am going to call you on it.
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