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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 8:13:15 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday.
BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken.
When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”?
Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”?
Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!!
Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals.
How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it”
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 8:19:58 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday. BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken. When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”? Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”? Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!! Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals. How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it” You have been told what happened. It's pretty cut and dried. Rules are made up on the fly for public schools. |
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Post by 64 on May 15, 2018 8:24:18 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday. BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken. When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”? Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”? Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!! Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals. How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it” Literally one of the best high school games I've ever watched. Pitching was great! ND gives up 4 in the first and I literally told my wife "he's done!" But he battled back. I set beside the catchers mom. She told us his twin sister was on the softball team for ND and had won the state championship two weeks before. Such a great game on both sides and memory...then I here all this and it just made me sick at my stomach. Game ruined... |
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Post by cjr3888 on May 15, 2018 8:27:23 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday. BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken. When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”? Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”? Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!! Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals. How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it” It appears that the "human error" was on the part of the LHSAA official and not on the coaches. STA did not protest the game on the spot, which it sounds like North Webster did last year. LHSAA can't penalize Notre Dame for an error made by an LHSAA official. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 8:29:36 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday. BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken. When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”? Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”? Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!! Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals. How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it” Literally one of the best high school games I've ever watched. Pitching was great! ND gives up 4 in the first and I literally told my wife "he's done!" But he battled back. I set beside the catchers mom. She told us his twin sister was on the softball team for ND and had won the state championship two weeks before. Such a great game on both sides and memory...then I here all this and it just made me sick at my stomach. Game ruined... How do High School baseball umpires enforce this rule going forward, since the LHSAA has chosen to ignore it for this particular game? |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 8:30:46 GMT -6
The LHSAA has just announced that Notre Dame DID, in fact, violate the pitch count rule against St Thomas Aquinas Saturday. BUT they followed that up with the ridiculous assertion that since it was caused by “ human error”, no action would be taken. When is a rule violation NOT “ human error”? Why have the rule in place if you aren’t going to enforce it? Or worse yet, why would you randomly enforce a rule, depending on who committed the “ error”? Last year, Winnfield beat much higher ranked North Webster in Game 1, and was on the verge of beating them in Game 2, when the Winnfield coach , in the heat of the moment, inserted a pitcher who was close to his pitch count limit. Once the pitcher past his limit, the NW coaches called time out and appealed to the umpires. The umpires had to call the LHSAA and were told to forfeit the game on the spot!! Clearly “ human error” by the Winnfield coach. Yet they had to forfeit the game. Now the series was 1-1, and the next day NW won to move on to the Qtrfinals. How can one be an automatic forfeit, and one is “ oh well.... it was human error... no big deal.... we will overlook it” It appears that the "human error" was on the part of the LHSAA official and not on the coaches. STA did not protest the game on the spot, which it sounds like North Webster did last year. LHSAA can't penalize Notre Dame for an error made by an LHSAA official. Disagree . Each team is responsible for their own count |
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Post by cjr3888 on May 15, 2018 8:39:00 GMT -6
It appears that the "human error" was on the part of the LHSAA official and not on the coaches. STA did not protest the game on the spot, which it sounds like North Webster did last year. LHSAA can't penalize Notre Dame for an error made by an LHSAA official. Disagree . Each team is responsible for their own count But at the state tournament there was an “official” pitch counter that Notre Dame was conferring with as the game went along. Same with my youth tournaments, coaches are responsible but the “official” pitch count is what rules over the others. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 8:41:29 GMT -6
Disagree . Each team is responsible for their own count But at the state tournament there was an “official” pitch counter that Notre Dame was conferring with as the game went along. Same with my youth tournaments, coaches are responsible but the “official” pitch count is what rules over the others. Then this is a double embarrassment for the LHSAA |
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Post by 64 on May 15, 2018 9:04:06 GMT -6
Literally one of the best high school games I've ever watched. Pitching was great! ND gives up 4 in the first and I literally told my wife "he's done!" But he battled back. I set beside the catchers mom. She told us his twin sister was on the softball team for ND and had won the state championship two weeks before. Such a great game on both sides and memory...then I here all this and it just made me sick at my stomach. Game ruined... How do High School baseball umpires enforce this rule going forward, since the LHSAA has chosen to ignore it for this particular game? "Umpires" don't keep the count, correct? Because On the same field as ND vs STA, Grace and Delta Charter coaches stopped the game earlier. Team Book keepers came to the back stop and discussed for 15 minutes with the "official score keeper", which was a woman wearing one of the Sulphur Volunteer T-Shirts. Not to say that person isn't qualified but is that really how it's done? The 4 Umpires were NOT part of the discussion AT ALL. They literally stood out in the infield while all this "discussion" was going on. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:09:03 GMT -6
How do High School baseball umpires enforce this rule going forward, since the LHSAA has chosen to ignore it for this particular game? "Umpires" don't keep the count, correct? Because On the same field as ND vs STA, Grace and Delta Charter coaches stopped the game earlier. Team Book keepers came to the back stop and discussed for 15 minutes with the "official score keeper", which was a woman wearing one of the Sulphur Volunteer T-Shirts. Not to say that person isn't qualified but is that really how it's done? The 4 Umpires were NOT part of the discussion AT ALL. They literally stood out in the infield while all this "discussion" was going on. That was an issue with the Winnfield/NW game. The umpires had NO CLUE what to do or how to enforce it. They had to stop the game for quite a while until someone in Baton Rouge could be reached on the phone to make a ruling. It’s yet another issue with this rule. The umpires are totally UNinvolved in all of this... until it’s time to enforce it. Then they have to deal with the two teams arguing with each other about pitch count accuracy. IF the pitch count rule survives, expect to see schools having to spend an extra $75 for a pitch count umpire at every game. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:12:03 GMT -6
And as far as the Grace Christian/Claiborne Christian game, there was very likely a violation in that game as well, caused by “ human error”
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 9:14:23 GMT -6
And as far as the Grace Christian/Claiborne Christian game, there was very likely a violation in that game as well, caused by “ human error” Well at least the privates are segregated from you guys. You shouldn't worry yourself over this stuff anymore. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:20:22 GMT -6
And as far as the Grace Christian/Claiborne Christian game, there was very likely a violation in that game as well, caused by “ human error” Well at least the privates are segregated from you guys. You shouldn't worry yourself over this stuff anymore. The split has nothing to do with this discussion. |
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 9:21:52 GMT -6
Well at least the privates are segregated from you guys. You shouldn't worry yourself over this stuff anymore. The split has nothing to do with this discussion. Your axe grinding does. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:22:52 GMT -6
This thread is about the LHSAA’s ineptitude in multiple areas. It’s about their repeated uneven application of rules, for and against publics and privates.
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Post by fuzzy on May 15, 2018 9:24:00 GMT -6
This thread is about the LHSAA’s ineptitude in multiple areas. It’s about their repeated uneven application of rules, for and against publics and privates. OK, now that's something I think we can all get behind. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:24:11 GMT -6
The split has nothing to do with this discussion. Your axe grinding does. My axe grinding? Lol I’m pointing out the failure of the LHSAA to evenly apply rules from one situation to the next, regardless of who is involved. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:27:39 GMT -6
This wasn’t intended as a shot at Notre Dame or privates. Notre Dame just happened to be the school involved.
They have a tremendous program and played a hell of a game.
This thread is not about public or private. It’s about a rule that is unenforceable by those on site, and now, randomly enforced from one case to the next by whoever is avalilable to answer the phone and make a ruling
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 9:44:35 GMT -6
We have 2 coaches in the dug out keeping pitch counts plus our statistician at every single game. Didn't both teams do their own pitch count in state game? And have a statistician that would have had the books to prove where the count got screwed up? Wasn't their an official counter to dispute the point to at the time? I'm just asking. That much on the line, you can bet I'm covering myself and making sure the other team is going by the same books. In my opinion LHSAA should have kept their mouth shut after the fact.. Too little too late
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 9:48:21 GMT -6
We have 2 coaches in the dug out keeping pitch counts plus our statistician at every single game. Didn't both teams do their own pitch count in state game? And have a statistician that would have had the books to prove where the count got screwed up? Wasn't their an official counter to dispute the point to at the time? I'm just asking. That much on the line, you can bet I'm covering myself and making sure the other team is going by the same books. In my opinion LHSAA should have kept their mouth shut after the fact.. Too little too late Agreed |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 9:50:29 GMT -6
How do High School baseball umpires enforce this rule going forward, since the LHSAA has chosen to ignore it for this particular game? "Umpires" don't keep the count, correct? Because On the same field as ND vs STA, Grace and Delta Charter coaches stopped the game earlier. Team Book keepers came to the back stop and discussed for 15 minutes with the "official score keeper", which was a woman wearing one of the Sulphur Volunteer T-Shirts. Not to say that person isn't qualified but is that really how it's done? The 4 Umpires were NOT part of the discussion AT ALL. They literally stood out in the infield while all this "discussion" was going on. No the umpires don't keep pitch count. Except of plate umpire calling the pitches for the batter |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 9:54:19 GMT -6
And as far as the Grace Christian/Claiborne Christian game, there was very likely a violation in that game as well, caused by “ human error” Well at least the privates are segregated from you guys. You shouldn't worry yourself over this stuff anymore. Hey you know I'm a ND fan unless of course it's a district game. LHSAA should have never acknowledged this. |
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 10:18:36 GMT -6
I’ve been saying for years the lhsaa is run by s. If they made a mistake they really don’t care because it’s two Catholic schools. If we played a public school they would have counted over and over till they put the screws to the private school.
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 10:22:01 GMT -6
I’ve been saying for years the lhsaa is run by s. If they made a mistake they really don’t care because it’s two Catholic schools. If we played a public school they would have counted over and over till they put the screws to the private school. Bogus claim. Winnfield was denied a trip to the Qtrs last year for this exact same rule. |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 10:26:34 GMT -6
How was this not disputed by STA immediately? Like during the game right when it supposedly happened? Can people not add? Hell just read a number on a clicker...That's some BS
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 10:35:10 GMT -6
I’ve been saying for years the lhsaa is run by s. If they made a mistake they really don’t care because it’s two Catholic schools. If we played a public school they would have counted over and over till they put the screws to the private school. Bogus claim. Winnfield was denied a trip to the Qtrs last year for this exact same rule. I doubt they played a private school in the league |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 10:37:26 GMT -6
Disagree . Each team is responsible for their own count But at the state tournament there was an “official” pitch counter that Notre Dame was conferring with as the game went along. Same with my youth tournaments, coaches are responsible but the “official” pitch count is what rules over the others. Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. |
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 10:49:16 GMT -6
But at the state tournament there was an “official” pitch counter that Notre Dame was conferring with as the game went along. Same with my youth tournaments, coaches are responsible but the “official” pitch count is what rules over the others. Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. [br Cause he just loaded the bases with a line drive to left field. STA wanted him to stay in. |
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Post by ConcessionStandFritoPie on May 15, 2018 10:51:05 GMT -6
But at the state tournament there was an “official” pitch counter that Notre Dame was conferring with as the game went along. Same with my youth tournaments, coaches are responsible but the “official” pitch count is what rules over the others. Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 11:00:47 GMT -6
Bogus claim. Winnfield was denied a trip to the Qtrs last year for this exact same rule. I doubt they played a private school in the league You are a broken record. The point is that one school got a game... and a series... taken from them over this rule. Another team got a free pass with no repercussions. Has nothing to do with the split or public/private. But of course, that’s all you know |
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