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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 11:01:51 GMT -6
Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. Then why did STA appeal? |
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Post by 1stdown on May 15, 2018 11:22:30 GMT -6
Heres another win*.
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Post by ConcessionStandFritoPie on May 15, 2018 11:46:46 GMT -6
Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. Then why did STA appeal? I don't think they did at first. Furthermore, the thought that Winnfield got the series stolen from them is asinine... they still could have won game 3. |
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Post by bayouboss on May 15, 2018 11:47:51 GMT -6
There are situations where a pitcher can go over the 125 pitch count and not be in violation. Are we sure this is not what happened? I know that when ND beat CHS in the Semi-final game, their starter finished pitching to a batter at the 124 pitch count. He was allowed to pitch to the next batter until he completed his appearance at the plate. That could take many pitches if the count is run to full and there are a few foul balls. FWIW, the guy who counts the pitches for ND is a numbers genius! I'd have a hard time believing he made a mistake counting. Obviously he's human so it could happen. Even though no one is making accusation, I'll head any off right now. Watching this same guy in action helping the CHS coaches get their video equipment working before the Football State Championship game, there is no way this guy would EVER miscount intentionally. For me, the bottom line is that ND won the game on the field and this is a non-issue. I'm of the opinion that pitch count rules are something that need to be caught and protested at the time of the infraction/counting error if they occur. Both teams should be counting their pitches and the other teams. If an opponent goes over, you stop things immediately and make your claim. Otherwise, live with the results. I think that's what Kamala is missing. In his example of the game between North Webster and Winnfield, the opposing coaches protested right then and there. The game was stopped and called a forfeit. In the game between ND and STA, that didn't happen.
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 12:03:50 GMT -6
I don't think they did at first. Furthermore, the thought that Winnfield got the series stolen from them is asinine... they still could have won game 3. No argument there. And the head coach immediately took the blame. It’s the rule, and that was how it went down. The issue isn’t what happened to Winnfield . The issue is what didn’t happen to ND. The bonus issue is that the LHSAA clearly had some incompetent people tracking pitches |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 12:06:59 GMT -6
Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. Really? That's how teams like to win? On the field? I had no clue. I thought it was by typing. I also didn't know a team play's innocent to avoid winning by forfeit in a watered down play off system to get that win, because God knows that's how to feel like a real championion. I don't know who's at fault and all I did was ask some questions and made some comments trying to understand why this happened and why it matters now? 3 whole days later? I won't apologize for asking for clarification or having an opinion. |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 12:08:24 GMT -6
Why wouldn't STA protest that on the spot? That doesn't make sense. I could see our head saying "oh he just went over his pitch limit. I'm not gonna worry about it right now. It's not that important." That's insane. [br Cause he just loaded the bases with a line drive to left field. STA wanted him to stay in. Aha now things make complete sense. Thank you for the clarification |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 12:09:31 GMT -6
There are situations where a pitcher can go over the 125 pitch count and not be in violation. Are we sure this is not what happened? I know that when ND beat CHS in the Semi-final game, their starter finished pitching to a batter at the 124 pitch count. He was allowed to pitch to the next batter until he completed his appearance at the plate. That could take many pitches if the count is run to full and there are a few foul balls. FWIW, the guy who counts the pitches for ND is a numbers genius! I'd have a hard time believing he made a mistake counting. Obviously he's human so it could happen. Even though no one is making accusation, I'll head any off right now. Watching this same guy in action helping the CHS coaches get their video equipment working before the Football State Championship game, there is no way this guy would EVER miscount intentionally. For me, the bottom line is that ND won the game on the field and this is a non-issue. I'm of the opinion that pitch count rules are something that need to be caught and protested at the time of the infraction/counting error if they occur. Both teams should be counting their pitches and the other teams. If an opponent goes over, you stop things immediately and make your claim. Otherwise, live with the results. I think that's what Kamala is missing. In his example of the game between North Webster and Winnfield, the opposing coaches protested right then and there. The game was stopped and called a forfeit. In the game between ND and STA, that didn't happen. I agree with you for the most part, and certainly not advocating a change in the result. I’m actually supportive of the poster who says the LHSAA should just have said nothing. My biggest issue is that this pitch count rule has no clear cut enforcement protocol. The umpires are totally out of the loop until a protest is made, and then it becomes a he said/ she said affair anywhere outside of the state tournament. I predict that if they keep the pitch count rule, you will soon see 3 umpires at every game. Plate, base and pitch count. |
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 12:34:33 GMT -6
If STA had a different count they should have called a time out and discussed it. We had 3 of the last 4 games go nine innings with the pitch count in play. Against AE in the quarterfinals both teams had a counter sitting together and agreed on the count after every half inning. Against Catholic our bench coaches were in touch the entire time.,during the STA game we checked with the counter starting in the 6th inning. Again if STA had a problem they should have spoken up. We would have questioned them if there count was close just out of sportsmanship.
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 13:45:19 GMT -6
Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. Then why did STA appeal? Because they blew a 4 run lead, they were the number 1 seed, and they thought they should have won. If our pitcher threw one to many pitches, the last one he threw was a shot to left that loaded the bases. Our reliever threw 4 pitches and struck out the next batter for the third out. IMO STA embarrassed themselves by appealing. If they were counting and knew we were over and out of sportsmanship didn’t call a time out and visit our coach to discuss it, makes it look like they were trying to trap us as a secondary way of winning. Pretty lame in my opinion. So now they are a double loser, on the field and on a lame appeal. |
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Post by ConcessionStandFritoPie on May 15, 2018 13:47:35 GMT -6
Because contrary to what some keyboard warriors choose to believe... most coaches and players want to win the game on the field. Not by forfeit in a State Title game of an already watered down playoff system. Really? That's how teams like to win? On the field? I had no clue. I thought it was by typing. I also didn't know a team play's innocent to avoid winning by forfeit in a watered down play off system to get that win, because God knows that's how to feel like a real championion. I don't know who's at fault and all I did was ask some questions and made some comments trying to understand why this happened and why it matters now? 3 whole days later? I won't apologize for asking for clarification or having an opinion. Took that a little personal there did we? Buck up buttercup, it will all be ok. The rightful champ was crowned. |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 13:52:12 GMT -6
Really? That's how teams like to win? On the field? I had no clue. I thought it was by typing. I also didn't know a team play's innocent to avoid winning by forfeit in a watered down play off system to get that win, because God knows that's how to feel like a real championion. I don't know who's at fault and all I did was ask some questions and made some comments trying to understand why this happened and why it matters now? 3 whole days later? I won't apologize for asking for clarification or having an opinion. Took that a little personal there did we? Buck up buttercup, it will all be ok. The rightful champ was crowned. I couldn't agree more |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 13:54:41 GMT -6
Because they blew a 4 run lead, they were the number 1 seed, and they thought they should have won. If our pitcher threw one to many pitches, the last one he threw was a shot to left that loaded the bases. Our reliever threw 4 pitches and struck out the next batter for the third out. IMO STA embarrassed themselves by appealing. If they were counting and knew we were over and out of sportsmanship didn’t call a time out and visit our coach to discuss it, makes it look like they were trying to trap us as a secondary way of winning. Pretty lame in my opinion. So now they are a double loser, on the field and on a lame appeal. Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 13:55:42 GMT -6
Took that a little personal there did we? Buck up buttercup, it will all be ok. The rightful champ was crowned. I couldn't agree more You know I actually laughed out loud because God knows no one ever never takes anything personal on here LMAO. Sorry didn't mean to sound personal. Sarcasm isn't my second nature. It's my first✌🏻✌🏻 |
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Post by indy on May 15, 2018 13:57:58 GMT -6
Because they blew a 4 run lead, they were the number 1 seed, and they thought they should have won. If our pitcher threw one to many pitches, the last one he threw was a shot to left that loaded the bases. Our reliever threw 4 pitches and struck out the next batter for the third out. IMO STA embarrassed themselves by appealing. If they were counting and knew we were over and out of sportsmanship didn’t call a time out and visit our coach to discuss it, makes it look like they were trying to trap us as a secondary way of winning. Pretty lame in my opinion. So now they are a double loser, on the field and on a lame appeal. Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 |
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Post by kamala on May 15, 2018 14:01:56 GMT -6
Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 60? Is that all ? |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 15, 2018 14:02:17 GMT -6
Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 I need a job then! But I can't type, work a cash register, hate computers, don't know what a spread sheet is, nor do I know what Excel means. Uhh I got the gift of gab thou😁 |
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Post by bayouboss on May 16, 2018 6:40:14 GMT -6
Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 Don’t go Kamala!!! It’s a setup. I spotted Dog the Bounty Hunter at Shop Rite yesterday looking for you.... Attachment Deleted |
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Post by wtiger on May 16, 2018 6:54:34 GMT -6
I wonder if the pitch counter for this game was the same as the one for grace and claiborne?
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Post by kamala on May 17, 2018 5:37:44 GMT -6
Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 Don’t go Kamala!!! It’s a setup. I spotted Dog the Bounty Hunter at Shop Rite yesterday looking for you.... View Attachment😳 |
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Post by zebra on May 17, 2018 6:27:33 GMT -6
Amazingly, I totally agree with you! Lol In that Winnfield/North Webster game, NW coaches knew Winnfield pitcher was over the limit but wanted to see if they could pull out the win. When they got down to their last out and things looked bleak.... PROTEST!! Total chickens**t way to win Agree! Come to one of my 60 shoprites and I’ll buy you a beer. 🍺 Damn Indy you must have been born on 3rd base with a higher pitch count then everyone else! I'm filing an official life protest cause you won*! |
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Post by astrosnation on May 17, 2018 7:15:02 GMT -6
How Winnfield vs North Webster last year game was a forfeit when pitch count was installed this year? Last year was number of innings you can pitch in a week.
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 17, 2018 8:40:17 GMT -6
How Winnfield vs North Webster last year game was a forfeit when pitch count was installed this year? Last year was number of innings you can pitch in a week. I can't remember the details exact but last year was by number of innings. Winnfield vs NW were in a best of 3. Game 1 pitcher throws a little bit over 4 innings. They pull him from the mound. Game 2, the next day, a different pitcher starts the game. The game gets tied and they go into the 8th inning. Winnfield puts the starting pitcher from the previous night back on the mound. At the time LHSAA's rule was if a pitcher pitched 4 or more innings in a game then said pitcher could not return to the mound the next day but he did. And there's where the violation happened. I'm sure someone else can answer better than I am but you get the idea hopefully |
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Post by astrosnation on May 17, 2018 8:48:57 GMT -6
How Winnfield vs North Webster last year game was a forfeit when pitch count was installed this year? Last year was number of innings you can pitch in a week. I can't remember the details exact but last year was by number of innings. Winnfield vs NW were in a best of 3. Game 1 pitcher throws a little bit over 4 innings. They pull him from the mound. Game 2, the next day, a different pitcher starts the game. The game gets tied and they go into the 8th inning. Winnfield puts the starting pitcher from the previous night back on the mound. At the time LHSAA's rule was if a pitcher pitched 4 or more innings in a game then said pitcher could not return to the mound the next day but he did. And there's where the violation happened. I'm sure someone else can answer better than I am but you get the idea hopefully Thanks! That what I thought had happen but wasn't sure if there was a different rule that applied in this game. |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 17, 2018 9:12:12 GMT -6
I can't remember the details exact but last year was by number of innings. Winnfield vs NW were in a best of 3. Game 1 pitcher throws a little bit over 4 innings. They pull him from the mound. Game 2, the next day, a different pitcher starts the game. The game gets tied and they go into the 8th inning. Winnfield puts the starting pitcher from the previous night back on the mound. At the time LHSAA's rule was if a pitcher pitched 4 or more innings in a game then said pitcher could not return to the mound the next day but he did. And there's where the violation happened. I'm sure someone else can answer better than I am but you get the idea hopefully Thanks! That what I thought had happen but wasn't sure if there was a different rule that applied in this game. It seems pretty simple to keep up with to me. But it didn't actually get caught until the 3rd game. I can't understand how either coach didn't realize immediately. If there's confusion using the old way for some teams, how in the hell will they not get confused using the pitch count rule? This is exactly why our head coach has a counter for our pitcher's count and also the opposing team. Every single game. Maybe overkill to some but it's the rule and can be so easily missed if someone isn't holding themselves accountable. And double checking your opponent. We did our own pitch counts in the Semi's as per the norm all year. I mean why wouldn't a team? LHSAA has proven they can't be trusted to be accurate. As a coach I wouldn't put my whole year letting an LHSAA counter decide my fate. |
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Post by kamala on May 17, 2018 12:05:42 GMT -6
Thanks! That what I thought had happen but wasn't sure if there was a different rule that applied in this game. It seems pretty simple to keep up with to me. But it didn't actually get caught until the 3rd game. I can't understand how either coach didn't realize immediately. If there's confusion using the old way for some teams, how in the hell will they not get confused using the pitch count rule? This is exactly why our head coach has a counter for our pitcher's count and also the opposing team. Every single game. Maybe overkill to some but it's the rule and can be so easily missed if someone isn't holding themselves accountable. And double checking your opponent. We did our own pitch counts in the Semi's as per the norm all year. I mean why wouldn't a team? LHSAA has proven they can't be trusted to be accurate. As a coach I wouldn't put my whole year letting an LHSAA counter decide my fate. [ I stand corrected on the exact infraction. It WAS innings pitched, not pitches thrown. But it WAS brought to attention of the umpires during the 2nd game. Not the third. The umpires couldn’t agree on things and a call had to be made to the LHSAA. The game was forfeited on the spot . |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 17, 2018 12:18:53 GMT -6
It seems pretty simple to keep up with to me. But it didn't actually get caught until the 3rd game. I can't understand how either coach didn't realize immediately. If there's confusion using the old way for some teams, how in the hell will they not get confused using the pitch count rule? This is exactly why our head coach has a counter for our pitcher's count and also the opposing team. Every single game. Maybe overkill to some but it's the rule and can be so easily missed if someone isn't holding themselves accountable. And double checking your opponent. We did our own pitch counts in the Semi's as per the norm all year. I mean why wouldn't a team? LHSAA has proven they can't be trusted to be accurate. As a coach I wouldn't put my whole year letting an LHSAA counter decide my fate. [ I stand corrected on the exact infraction. It WAS innings pitched, not pitches thrown. But it WAS brought to attention of the umpires during the 2nd game. Not the third. The umpires couldn’t agree on things and a call had to be made to the LHSAA. The game was forfeited on the spot . I'm proud of myself I didn't even know I was correcting anyone🙃🙃 But I was still wrong about when it was brought up to the umps. But there was a 3rd game right? |
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Post by indy on May 17, 2018 12:20:07 GMT -6
It seems pretty simple to keep up with to me. But it didn't actually get caught until the 3rd game. I can't understand how either coach didn't realize immediately. If there's confusion using the old way for some teams, how in the hell will they not get confused using the pitch count rule? This is exactly why our head coach has a counter for our pitcher's count and also the opposing team. Every single game. Maybe overkill to some but it's the rule and can be so easily missed if someone isn't holding themselves accountable. And double checking your opponent. We did our own pitch counts in the Semi's as per the norm all year. I mean why wouldn't a team? LHSAA has proven they can't be trusted to be accurate. As a coach I wouldn't put my whole year letting an LHSAA counter decide my fate. [ I stand corrected on the exact infraction. It WAS innings pitched, not pitches thrown. But it WAS brought to attention of the umpires during the 2nd game. Not the third. The umpires couldn’t agree on things and a call had to be made to the LHSAA. The game was forfeited on the spot . My offer still stands for that cold beer, but I’m considering making you forfeit it. 🍺 |
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Post by 62Dontstop34 on May 17, 2018 12:21:27 GMT -6
[ I stand corrected on the exact infraction. It WAS innings pitched, not pitches thrown. But it WAS brought to attention of the umpires during the 2nd game. Not the third. The umpires couldn’t agree on things and a call had to be made to the LHSAA. The game was forfeited on the spot . I'm proud of myself I didn't even know I was correcting anyone🙃🙃 But I was still wrong about when it was brought up to the umps. But there was a 3rd game right? And am I dreaming this part? The game got delayed forever trying to fugure it all out? |
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Post by kamala on May 17, 2018 12:21:30 GMT -6
[ I stand corrected on the exact infraction. It WAS innings pitched, not pitches thrown. But it WAS brought to attention of the umpires during the 2nd game. Not the third. The umpires couldn’t agree on things and a call had to be made to the LHSAA. The game was forfeited on the spot . I'm proud of myself I didn't even know I was correcting anyone🙃🙃 But I was still wrong about when it was brought up to the umps. But there was a 3rd game right? Yes. NW won the third game |
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