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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2018 5:43:52 GMT -6
I agree 4A is pretty loaded with Neville, Warren Easton,35 and others
That's peculiar ...... schools that could not win before the Play-in-class and Split Play-off rules ........ are now suddenly the best.
I think it had more to do with Nola closing and consolidating schools and doing away with zones, zero to do with the split. Split or no split these teams are real good.
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Post by BGH on Jun 3, 2018 10:43:41 GMT -6
That's peculiar ...... schools that could not win before the Play-in-class and Split Play-off rules ........ are now suddenly the best.
I think it had more to do with Nola closing and consolidating schools and doing away with zones, zero to do with the split. Split or no split these teams are real good. 10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2018 16:46:52 GMT -6
I think it had more to do with Nola closing and consolidating schools and doing away with zones, zero to do with the split. Split or no split these teams are real good. 10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger.
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Post by LATigerFan on Jun 3, 2018 17:10:14 GMT -6
10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger. I'm not sure what's gotten into u lately but u are making some pretty good post. U feeling ok?
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2018 17:24:34 GMT -6
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger. I'm not sure what's gotten into u lately but u are making some pretty good post. U feeling ok? No nut job poodle chirping at my heels. 3,2,1
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Post by BGH on Jun 3, 2018 17:30:04 GMT -6
10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger.
But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. They can easily "claim they are better" than those team, but they can never say they proved it on the field, which is sort of my point. If Karr, Neville, and MD 35, were made to play in the Select Championships and chose to go to Division II, I would have even less respect for them than I do now.
I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money.
You are only fooling yourself if you think that is the reason they did not want to be a Select school!
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2018 17:41:15 GMT -6
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger.
But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. They can easily "claim they are better" than those team, but they can never say they proved it on the field, which is sort of my point. If Karr, Neville, and MD 35, were made to play in the Select Championships and chose to go to Division II, I would have even less respect for them than I do now.
I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money.
You are only fooling yourself if you think that is the reason they did not want to be a Select school!
Karr called the LHSAA ‘s bluff and won, not one private school had the balls to do it. Karr won the right to choose where they want to play. I respect their choice and could care less what anyone else thinks.
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Post by khsyellowjackets94 on Jun 3, 2018 20:59:38 GMT -6
Edna Karr High School is Non-Select because it is an open enrollment, co-ed public charter school. Washington-Marion was also originally classified Select but showed that they are also a public school with open enrollment. Madison Prep later went the same route becoming an open enrollment school. Oh and some Private school supporters did try to sue the LHSAA over the split in 2013 but that got shut down real quick by the Louisiana Supreme Court.
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Post by indy on Jun 3, 2018 21:09:29 GMT -6
Edna Karr High School is Non-Select because it is an open enrollment, co-ed public charter school. Washington-Marion was also originally classified Select but showed that they are also a public school with open enrollment. Madison Prep later went the same route becoming an open enrollment school. Oh and some Private school supporters did try to sue the LHSAA over the split in 2013 but that got shut down real quick by the Louisiana Supreme Court. It never went to the Supreme Court. A retired justice gave an opinion based on the LHSAA compared themselves to a Rotery or Kiwanis club. It would have to go to trial, then the appeals court before the Supreme Court would hear the case. The LHSAA self serving principals did a good job putting a spin on it. Many stupid people bought into it.
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Post by Southplaq on Jun 4, 2018 0:16:22 GMT -6
Hard to argue with that record, but then again ......... isn't Karr the school that threatened to sue the LHSAA if they were forced to play as a Select school? True, but their record probably would be better in select. Maybe U High beats in ‘17 but other than that I think they run the table. agreed!! They would have smashed the teams on the select side
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Post by BGH on Jun 4, 2018 7:00:37 GMT -6
Edna Karr High School is Non-Select because it is an open enrollment, co-ed public charter school. Washington-Marion was also originally classified Select but showed that they are also a public school with open enrollment. Madison Prep later went the same route becoming an open enrollment school. Oh and some Private school supporters did try to sue the LHSAA over the split in 2013 but that got shut down real quick by the Louisiana Supreme Court. It never went to the Supreme Court. A retired justice gave an opinion based on the LHSAA compared themselves to a Rotery or Kiwanis club. It would have to go to trial, then the appeals court before the Supreme Court would hear the case. The LHSAA self serving principals did a good job putting a spin on it. Many stupid people bought into it.
The private schools would have never won such a lawsuit. You can't expect justice from the King's court with the King's judges.
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Post by BGH on Jun 4, 2018 7:07:30 GMT -6
Edna Karr High School is Non-Select because it is an open enrollment, co-ed public charter school. Washington-Marion was also originally classified Select but showed that they are also a public school with open enrollment. Madison Prep later went the same route becoming an open enrollment school. Oh and some Private school supporters did try to sue the LHSAA over the split in 2013 but that got shut down real quick by the Louisiana Supreme Court.
I find it ironic that the public schools who whined and cried about the private schools not having zones and being able to get students from anywhere developed a system that basically gives SOME public schools the same so-called advantages. These public school monsters have now used those advantages to dominate the other public schools. How long will it take the stupid public schools principals to figure out the monster they created?
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2018 7:12:16 GMT -6
Edna Karr High School is Non-Select because it is an open enrollment, co-ed public charter school. Washington-Marion was also originally classified Select but showed that they are also a public school with open enrollment. Madison Prep later went the same route becoming an open enrollment school. Oh and some Private school supporters did try to sue the LHSAA over the split in 2013 but that got shut down real quick by the Louisiana Supreme Court.
I find it ironic that the public schools who whined and cried about the private schools not having zones and being able to get students from anywhere developed a system that basically gives SOME public schools the same so-called advantages. These public school monsters have now used those advantages to dominate the other public schools. How long will it take the stupid public schools principle to figure out the monster they created?
They are starting to point the finger at each other now. It will get interesting
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Post by coachtanklo on Jun 4, 2018 16:45:15 GMT -6
Nice truthful post BGH . The main reason for the split, no boundaries for private schools has infiltrated the ranks of public schools !! Lots of parish school boards now have open enrollment...... NO ZONES !!!!!
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2018 16:50:02 GMT -6
Nice truthful post BGH . The main reason for the split, no boundaries for private schools has infiltrated the ranks of public schools !! Lots of parish school boards now have open enrollment...... NO ZONES !!!!! How close to they monitor Kaplan? I know North Vermillion not only gets kids zoned for Abbeville but also from Acadia and Lafayette Parishes.
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Post by coachtanklo on Jun 4, 2018 18:06:56 GMT -6
NVs zone is just so big . It goes into Abbeville and Kaplan . The school is too small for the enrollment but rezoning is NEVER considered. It is what it is .
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2018 18:22:57 GMT -6
NVs zone is just so big . It goes into Abbeville and Kaplan . The school is too small for the enrollment but rezoning is NEVER considered. It is what it is . You are getting much too politically correct in your older years. 😎
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Post by gamewatcher on Jun 4, 2018 19:03:35 GMT -6
what public schools has a zone advantage except the nola group (WE 35 KARR LW etc)
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Post by coachtanklo on Jun 4, 2018 19:21:08 GMT -6
I would think any school in any parish that has open enrollment has an advantage.....Monroe ,Alexandria, Lake Charles , Sabine . Lafayette Parish with “Schools of Choice “ . I probably missed some parishes and I probably accused some parishes that don’t have open enrollment!!!
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Post by indy on Jun 4, 2018 19:24:26 GMT -6
I would think any school in any parish that has open enrollment has an advantage.....Monroe ,Alexandria, Lake Charles , Sabine . Lafayette Parish with “Schools of Choice “ . I probably missed some parishes and I probably accused some parishes that don’t have open enrollment!!! Acadia parish doesn’t enforce zones anymore. They don’t even enforce out of parish students. We are a sanctuary parish!
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Post by jonevils on Jun 5, 2018 7:12:22 GMT -6
I would think any school in any parish that has open enrollment has an advantage.....Monroe ,Alexandria, Lake Charles , Sabine . Lafayette Parish with “Schools of Choice “ . I probably missed some parishes and I probably accused some parishes that don’t have open enrollment!!! I think Lake Charles has zones not positive but pretty sure
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Post by indy on Jun 5, 2018 7:18:55 GMT -6
I would think any school in any parish that has open enrollment has an advantage.....Monroe ,Alexandria, Lake Charles , Sabine . Lafayette Parish with “Schools of Choice “ . I probably missed some parishes and I probably accused some parishes that don’t have open enrollment!!! I think Lake Charles has zones not positive but pretty sure Having zones and not enforcing them is pretty much the same as not having them.
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Post by jonevils on Jun 5, 2018 7:20:23 GMT -6
what public schools has a zone advantage except the nola group (WE 35 KARR LW etc) Some parishes have smaller schools that don't offer a sport and you can go to another to play said sport. Allen parish is an example. There are 3 football playing schools and 3 non football schools in the parish Reeves kids can go to kinder to play Fairview to Oberlin and Elizabeth to Oakdale Kinder. Also there is a lot of people that live on parish lines where they have the choice to send their kids to Kinder or Elton Iowa or Kinder and furthermore from the Fenton area you see some go to Welsh, Lacassine, Kinder, or Iowa. Dr may only happen in onseys and twoseys. But it does happen where a zone for 2 schools are nearly shared. ,
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Post by indy on Jun 5, 2018 12:37:34 GMT -6
what public schools has a zone advantage except the nola group (WE 35 KARR LW etc) Some parishes have smaller schools that don't offer a sport and you can go to another to play said sport. Allen parish is an example. There are 3 football playing schools and 3 non football schools in the parish Reeves kids can go to kinder to play Fairview to Oberlin and Elizabeth to Oakdale Kinder. Also there is a lot of people that live on parish lines where they have the choice to send their kids to Kinder or Elton Iowa or Kinder and furthermore from the Fenton area you see some go to Welsh, Lacassine, Kinder, or Iowa. Dr may only happen in onseys and twoseys. But it does happen where a zone for 2 schools are nearly shared. , So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team.
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Post by jonevils on Jun 5, 2018 13:01:05 GMT -6
Some parishes have smaller schools that don't offer a sport and you can go to another to play said sport. Allen parish is an example. There are 3 football playing schools and 3 non football schools in the parish Reeves kids can go to kinder to play Fairview to Oberlin and Elizabeth to Oakdale Kinder. Also there is a lot of people that live on parish lines where they have the choice to send their kids to Kinder or Elton Iowa or Kinder and furthermore from the Fenton area you see some go to Welsh, Lacassine, Kinder, or Iowa. Dr may only happen in onseys and twoseys. But it does happen where a zone for 2 schools are nearly shared. , So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. I think it only applies to sports though but yes
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Post by indy on Jun 5, 2018 13:03:17 GMT -6
So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. I think it only applies to sports though but yes That’s discrimination! But fishing is an official sport now. We are also the only school with a bowling team.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Jun 5, 2018 16:41:12 GMT -6
I think it only applies to sports though but yes That’s discrimination! But fishing is an official sport now. We are also the only school with a bowling team. a lot of schools have bowling...
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Post by indy on Jun 5, 2018 16:43:31 GMT -6
That’s discrimination! But fishing is an official sport now. We are also the only school with a bowling team. a lot of schools have bowling... Not in Acadia Parish. You entered the conversation mid stream.
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Post by CLEAN on Aug 28, 2018 16:04:57 GMT -6
The early years of that decade were very good to Curtis, with the national title. I thought they would keep getting better and better off that success, but I was somewhat incorrect.
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Post by mt on Aug 28, 2018 17:20:30 GMT -6
The early years of that decade were very good to Curtis, with the national title. I thought they would keep getting better and better off that success, but I was somewhat incorrect. The rise of Karr and Easton coincide right along with Curtis pure domination. Imagine some of those guys like speedy noil, Lance Legendre, the late Tonka George at Curtis as QBs, my goodness
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