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Post by CLEAN on Aug 28, 2018 17:34:36 GMT -6
The early years of that decade were very good to Curtis, with the national title. I thought they would keep getting better and better off that success, but I was somewhat incorrect. The rise of Karr and Easton coincide right along with Curtis pure domination. Imagine some of those guys like speedy noil, Lance Legendre, the late Tonka George at Curtis as QBs, my goodness RIP Tonka. My favorite Karr player that I ever interviewed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 17:47:06 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification. It was helpful. I was thinking about the best football program starting in 2010. Universtity High, Landry Walker, Notre Dame, Southern Lab, Zachary? I would go with teams that would have been successful with or without the split. U high, S Lab, Karr, Acadiana, ND. [br I like this list.
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Post by retired on Aug 28, 2018 18:01:27 GMT -6
Some parishes have smaller schools that don't offer a sport and you can go to another to play said sport. Allen parish is an example. There are 3 football playing schools and 3 non football schools in the parish Reeves kids can go to kinder to play Fairview to Oberlin and Elizabeth to Oakdale Kinder. Also there is a lot of people that live on parish lines where they have the choice to send their kids to Kinder or Elton Iowa or Kinder and furthermore from the Fenton area you see some go to Welsh, Lacassine, Kinder, or Iowa. Dr may only happen in onseys and twoseys. But it does happen where a zone for 2 schools are nearly shared. , So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. You are confusing the concept of attendance with the concept of immediate eligibility. The salient point isn't that students are "eligible" to play, but rather that the local educational agency allows them to attend a different school that offers the sport they want to play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 18:05:59 GMT -6
Some parishes have smaller schools that don't offer a sport and you can go to another to play said sport. Allen parish is an example. There are 3 football playing schools and 3 non football schools in the parish Reeves kids can go to kinder to play Fairview to Oberlin and Elizabeth to Oakdale Kinder. Also there is a lot of people that live on parish lines where they have the choice to send their kids to Kinder or Elton Iowa or Kinder and furthermore from the Fenton area you see some go to Welsh, Lacassine, Kinder, or Iowa. Dr may only happen in onseys and twoseys. But it does happen where a zone for 2 schools are nearly shared. , So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. I agree with Indy. That rule is hypocritical. Private schools can’t recruit but public schools can have kids on their team that don’t attend the school? Doesn’t make sense to me. But hey, it’s all good.
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Post by CLEAN on Aug 28, 2018 18:09:56 GMT -6
I feel pretty confident that kids in Iberia Parish attend the public school of their choice. Kids in New Iberia going to Loreauville; kids in Jeanerette attending high school in New Iberia; etc.
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Post by CLEAN on Aug 28, 2018 18:12:21 GMT -6
So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. I agree with Indy. That rule is hypocritical. Private schools can’t recruit but public schools can have kids on their team that don’t attend the school? Doesn’t make sense to me. But hey, it’s all good. Not sure if they still do this, but it was the same way in Sabine Parish. If you lived in Zwolle, Florien, Negreet, etc...and you wanted to play football, you could choose to attend Many HS.
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Post by iamray on Aug 28, 2018 20:28:29 GMT -6
I agree 4A is pretty loaded with Neville, Warren Easton,35 and others
That's peculiar ...... schools that could not win before the Play-in-class and Split Play-off rules ........ are now suddenly the best.
Neville won 10 state titles prior to the split and have 12 total. I believe there are only three schools ahead of them who have more state titles in JC, Haynesville and Evangel. To include a program like Neville in a statement about schools who "could not win before the split" is woefully ignorant.
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Post by indy on Aug 28, 2018 20:34:16 GMT -6
I agree with Indy. That rule is hypocritical. Private schools can’t recruit but public schools can have kids on their team that don’t attend the school? Doesn’t make sense to me. But hey, it’s all good. Not sure if they still do this, but it was the same way in Sabine Parish. If you lived in Zwolle, Florien, Negreet, etc...and you wanted to play football, you could choose to attend Many HS. They still do it. So does Kinder.
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Post by django on Aug 28, 2018 22:27:21 GMT -6
I agree 4A is pretty loaded with Neville, Warren Easton,35 and others
That's peculiar ...... schools that could not win before the Play-in-class and Split Play-off rules ........ are now suddenly the best.
2 of the 4 Neville championships referenced were before the split, so I think your point is invalid.
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Post by django on Aug 28, 2018 22:29:53 GMT -6
I think it had more to do with Nola closing and consolidating schools and doing away with zones, zero to do with the split. Split or no split these teams are real good. 10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
If your statement is true, then districts would be split. So they didn’t go to every possible length to avoid playing select schools. Your statement is absurdly biased & absurdly incorrect.
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Post by django on Aug 28, 2018 22:31:53 GMT -6
I agree in most part with you except 4A. I don’t think any public school in the other 4 classes can ever claim they are the best. But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money. Shame us for not suing or threaten to sue the s running the LHSAA. We should have followed Karr’s example instead of pointing a finger.
But in 4A Karr, Neville, Md35 can easily claim they are better than DII St Thomas More, TC, Parkview and most years U High. They can easily "claim they are better" than those team, but they can never say they proved it on the field, which is sort of my point. If Karr, Neville, and MD 35, were made to play in the Select Championships and chose to go to Division II, I would have even less respect for them than I do now.
I totally get Karr wanting to be public, pretty much every private school would want to have a full bracket and the ability to make money.
You are only fooling yourself if you think that is the reason they did not want to be a Select school!
STM & Neville have played. Check the records.
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Post by django on Aug 28, 2018 22:35:22 GMT -6
Nice truthful post BGH . The main reason for the split, no boundaries for private schools has infiltrated the ranks of public schools !! Lots of parish school boards now have open enrollment...... NO ZONES !!!!! Incorrect. The reason for the split was how schools receive students. Selects can manage enrollment, school makeup, etc. Non Selects must take whoever walks in. That, sir, was the reason for the split.
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Post by indy on Aug 28, 2018 22:39:29 GMT -6
Nice truthful post BGH . The main reason for the split, no boundaries for private schools has infiltrated the ranks of public schools !! Lots of parish school boards now have open enrollment...... NO ZONES !!!!! Incorrect. The reason for the split was how schools receive students. Selects can manage enrollment, school makeup, etc. Non Selects must take whoever walks in. That, sir, was the reason for the split. Not hardly. The reason was to lower standards so certain schools could win. Everything else is excuses
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Post by fuzzy on Aug 28, 2018 22:41:45 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification. It was helpful. I was thinking about the best football program starting in 2010. Universtity High, Landry Walker, Notre Dame, Southern Lab, Zachary? From 2010-present day. 3 championships, Edna Karr,Neville Ouachita Christian,Acadiana,and Parkview Baptist. 2 championships Evangel,John Curtis and Zachary,Catholic BR and U-High.
You can add Calvary to the 2 championships column
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Post by django on Aug 28, 2018 22:42:33 GMT -6
Incorrect. The reason for the split was how schools receive students. Selects can manage enrollment, school makeup, etc. Non Selects must take whoever walks in. That, sir, was the reason for the split. Not hardly. The reason was to lower standards so certain schools could win. Everything else is excuses Because you said it. Speaking of self serving...
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Post by shine55 on Aug 30, 2018 5:37:30 GMT -6
West St. John 2010 - Bi District 2011 - Finals 2012 - Semi's 2013 - Semi's 2014 - Semi's 2015 - Quarterfinals 2016 - Quarterfinals 2017 - Finals
I'll go with Karr though!
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 5:53:37 GMT -6
Incorrect. The reason for the split was how schools receive students. Selects can manage enrollment, school makeup, etc. Non Selects must take whoever walks in. That, sir, was the reason for the split. Not hardly. The reason was to lower standards so certain schools could win. Everything else is excuses not even close but everything out of your mouth is bull crap on this subject. It is funny that the man who admits his team is a 4 parish all star team gets up in arms about kids choosing a school within their one parish.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 5:54:51 GMT -6
So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. You are confusing the concept of attendance with the concept of immediate eligibility. The salient point isn't that students are "eligible" to play, but rather that the local educational agency allows them to attend a different school that offers the sport they want to play. Don't bring logic into a good ole emotional argument.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 5:56:38 GMT -6
So by that reasoning then anyone in Acadia Parish should be eligible at ND because we are the only high school in the parish that has weekly Mass and Catechism. heck if religion is not good enough then we are the only school with a sanctioned LHSAA fishing team. I agree with Indy. That rule is hypocritical. Private schools can’t recruit but public schools can have kids on their team that don’t attend the school? Doesn’t make sense to me. But hey, it’s all good. but plaquemines is just about the only example of that situation happening and it's a loop hole that should be closed but has nothing to do with what Indy rambles about.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 6:00:09 GMT -6
10 years ago I, along with several others, predicted that once all these rule changes took place that it would not take long for the public schools to start proclaiming that they were the best in the state. That has definitely come to pass.
You may well be correct about the school consolidations and zone changes, and other things probably factor into it also. But you are WRONG to say that it has " zero to do with the split". That is an unfounded emotional statement that you have no data to support. Neither you or I, or anyone else on this board, know which teams would have been in the State Championship games, much less who would have won, if the split or play-in-class rules had not taken place.
The one thing we do know without question, is that Karr in particular and the public schools in general, went to every possible length to AVOID PLAYING THE SELECT SCHOOLS. That precludes those schools from ever being the best.
If your statement is true, then districts would be split. So they didn’t go to every possible length to avoid playing select schools. Your statement is absurdly biased & absurdly incorrect. I hope nobody burst his bubble and let's him know that A lot private schools supported and voted for the split. But like Indy he won't touch that topic
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 6:03:59 GMT -6
Nice truthful post BGH . The main reason for the split, no boundaries for private schools has infiltrated the ranks of public schools !! Lots of parish school boards now have open enrollment...... NO ZONES !!!!! . While this open parish rule is still a sticky issue it cannot be compared by any objective person to a private school assembling their team from 4-5 parishes.
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Post by law on Aug 30, 2018 7:09:30 GMT -6
1A Haynesville has had a hell of a program in those years, 4A Karr and Neville both have been excellent programs, in 2A Many and Kinder the past 8 years have been pretty good.
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Post by BGH on Aug 30, 2018 8:44:58 GMT -6
That's peculiar ...... schools that could not win before the Play-in-class and Split Play-off rules ........ are now suddenly the best.
2 of the 4 Neville championships referenced were before the split, so I think your point is invalid.
Before you can say my point was invalid ........ you first have to understand what my point was.
I clearly said "the Play-in-Class and Split Play-off rules". Neville's 2009 and 2011 Championships were after they got John Curtis kicked out of 4A. Lot easier to win if you can get rid of your main competition.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 12:00:56 GMT -6
Now this I agree with. The 2005 rule change that made teams play down was truly the competition dodging.
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2018 12:07:05 GMT -6
Now this I agree with. The 2005 rule change that made teams play down was truly the competition dodging. That was the birth of “” and “” . Now look how far it’s gotten. Damn shame
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 12:15:13 GMT -6
Na two completely different issues
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Post by indy on Aug 30, 2018 12:19:24 GMT -6
Na two completely different issues 4A and 5A publics dodging E and JC pushing them to 1 and 2A was the root of . Your brain is fogged with
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Post by wildcat on Aug 30, 2018 12:24:55 GMT -6
Na two completely different issues 4A and 5A publics dodging E and JC pushing them to 1 and 2A was the root of . Your brain is fogged with Are you 100% sure it was only public's that kicked JC and E out of 4A and 5A? I would think that at least 1 private school voted to have them moved down, but I dont have the records to prove that. Do you have the records to prove only public's voted yes? Had they never been moved down, I dont think the split would have ever happened.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 12:27:15 GMT -6
Na two completely different issues 4A and 5A publics dodging E and JC pushing them to 1 and 2A was the root of . Your brain is fogged with 4A and 5A publics pushing them to smaller classes is the only example of your so called "" mentality, the split which was supported by many privates is a different matter which was born of issues with the existing system that had be around for a long time and needed to be addressed. It was handled in a historically bad way hence the split but the blame for that can be spread to all parties.
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Post by tigerfan87 on Aug 30, 2018 15:33:26 GMT -6
4A and 5A publics dodging E and JC pushing them to 1 and 2A was the root of . Your brain is fogged with Are you 100% sure it was only public's that kicked JC and E out of 4A and 5A? I would think that at least 1 private school voted to have them moved down, but I dont have the records to prove that. Do you have the records to prove only public's voted yes? Had they never been moved down, I dont think the split would have ever happened. He won't touch the fact that many privates supported the split and many publics like my school voted against it. It doesn't fit his trolling agenda. The term Intellectual dishonesty means nothing to him.
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