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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 13:31:21 GMT -6
All schools can play any kid from their LEA assigned zone. Any kid from outside that zone can NEVER play there.
1) Same for all select and non select 2) LEA's that have an all encompassing magnet system (NOLA, Rapides), will have zones assigned to them by the LHSAA per school. 3) Now kids that wish to go to private, charter, magnet, public, ANY kind of school CAN STILL GO THERE. Only difference is, not for athletic purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 13:36:08 GMT -6
All schools can play any kid from their LEA assigned zone. Any kid from outside that zone can NEVER play there. 1) Same for all select and non select 2) LEA's that have an all encompassing magnet system (NOLA, Rapides), will have zones assigned to them by the LHSAA per school. 3) Now kids that wish to go to private, charter, magnet, public, ANY kind of school CAN STILL GO THERE. Only difference is, not for athletic purposes. This is/was my suggestion from the beginning... I think this is the fairest way and the assignments for athletics can be different than the assignments for the schools by school board or whatever. They could also overlap. I do notice that it does not address the latest REAL problem of denying admission by a private school. The more you post...
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Post by Sixpack on Feb 25, 2016 19:57:06 GMT -6
All schools can play any kid from their LEA assigned zone. Any kid from outside that zone can NEVER play there. 1) Same for all select and non select 2) LEA's that have an all encompassing magnet system (NOLA, Rapides), will have zones assigned to them by the LHSAA per school. 3) Now kids that wish to go to private, charter, magnet, public, ANY kind of school CAN STILL GO THERE. Only difference is, not for athletic purposes. This is/was my suggestion from the beginning... I think this is the fairest way and the assignments for athletics can be different than the assignments for the schools by school board or whatever. They could also overlap. I do notice that it does not address the latest REAL problem of denying admission by a private school. The more you post... Under that scenario any legally enrolled public school student would be allowed by the LHSAA to participate in sports. Private schools have a legal right to enroll students from anywhere. How long do you think it would take the parents of a legally enrolled private school student who wanted to play sports and was denied by the by the LHSAA to file suit against the LHSAA and what would be the odds of the parents winning that suit? Answers: 15 minutes and 98%.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 10:28:35 GMT -6
This is/was my suggestion from the beginning... I think this is the fairest way and the assignments for athletics can be different than the assignments for the schools by school board or whatever. They could also overlap. I do notice that it does not address the latest REAL problem of denying admission by a private school. The more you post... Under that scenario any legally enrolled public school student would be allowed by the LHSAA to participate in sports. Private schools have a legal right to enroll students from anywhere. How long do you think it would take the parents of a legally enrolled private school student who wanted to play sports and was denied by the by the LHSAA to file suit against the LHSAA and what would be the odds of the parents winning that suit? Answers: 15 minutes and 98%.I kind of agree, but no student is denied the right to play sports. they can play sports at the school in which they reside in the assigned area drawn for athletics. They can move into a new area and be eligible just like public schools. The drawn areas for private schools can be generous to accommodate the need to reach a larger area to get enough paying students, but someone that resides in Texas would be able to attend the school, but not participate in the extra curricular activities that compete in a voluntary association. The courts have already ruled that the LHSAA is a private entity. As such, the LHSAA can assign attendance zones for athletics by what ever criteria it would like to use. Today, we CHOOSE to use the attendance zones drawn or enforced by the educational side. There is NO legal requirement to do so. You could draw reasonable attendance zones for athletics for each member school, and enforce them for athletics only. That way, if johnny wants to go to the school and compete in athletics, the family makes a move into the attendance zone. Just like all public schools do now.
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Post by eag on Feb 26, 2016 10:45:14 GMT -6
All schools can play any kid from their LEA assigned zone. Any kid from outside that zone can NEVER play there. 1) Same for all select and non select 2) LEA's that have an all encompassing magnet system (NOLA, Rapides), will have zones assigned to them by the LHSAA per school. 3) Now kids that wish to go to private, charter, magnet, public, ANY kind of school CAN STILL GO THERE. Only difference is, not for athletic purposes. Again, what about the kids?? Are you really saying a kid who goes to a catholic elementary school from pre-K in a diocese and feeds up into that diocese's high school is ineligible to play sports there? Y'all are way over-emphasizing athletic success. I want every kid to participate that wants to, and you should not have to go to a terrible school in order to play ball if you qualify for admission to another school that is better suited. Yes, that leaves the door open to abuse. So count out-of zone athletes as 1.5, or 2, or 10 - I don't care. And use a success metric. But punish the offense and not the everyday kids who just want to be on a damn football team at a school they like and thrive in (public or private). This is really a simple problem. There is an easy, equitable solution. Why some refuse to even consider it is a mystery.
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Post by abbebusoni on Feb 26, 2016 22:25:16 GMT -6
This is/was my suggestion from the beginning... I think this is the fairest way and the assignments for athletics can be different than the assignments for the schools by school board or whatever. They could also overlap. I do notice that it does not address the latest REAL problem of denying admission by a private school. The more you post... Under that scenario any legally enrolled public school student would be allowed by the LHSAA to participate in sports. Private schools have a legal right to enroll students from anywhere. How long do you think it would take the parents of a legally enrolled private school student who wanted to play sports and was denied by the by the LHSAA to file suit against the LHSAA and what would be the odds of the parents winning that suit? Answers: 15 minutes and 98%.Exactly. You can't tell people where they can send their kids for a well rounded education that includes athletics. At least for right now, this isn't the USSR.
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Post by warhorsepride on Feb 26, 2016 23:08:10 GMT -6
Why would we in Rapides wanna be wrapped up in that crap. NO, the state needs to look like parishes like ours where that crap got cut out. We don't have all the transferring, our kids and parents already know now. Its well established at this point and most of these kids are not trying to sit a year. You can't STOP kids from playing all together for transferring. If your school board allowed the transfer, its their fault, no the kid, not the parent. Penalize them, don't bar them. Problem is, most of these parishes are so caught up in having 1 school prosper, especially now if they have a big private program in the area. They're trying to compete with that school, rather than level the playing field.
School boards should set zones for public schools. LHSAA should set zones for private schools, either neighborhood or parish. Any transfer for athletic purposes pub to pub, priv to priv, pub to priv and vice versa is a penalty, EVEN if pub to private or private to public is the same zone.
LHSAA should have a full time committee to oversee the transfer of any kids in varsity athletics. Just level the playing field and stop trying to find ways around for 1 side.
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Post by btown on Feb 27, 2016 14:56:06 GMT -6
Why would we in Rapides wanna be wrapped up in that crap. NO, the state needs to look like parishes like ours where that crap got cut out. We don't have all the transferring, our kids and parents already know now. Its well established at this point and most of these kids are not trying to sit a year. You can't STOP kids from playing all together for transferring. If your school board allowed the transfer, its their fault, no the kid, not the parent. Penalize them, don't bar them. Problem is, most of these parishes are so caught up in having 1 school prosper, especially now if they have a big private program in the area. They're trying to compete with that school, rather than level the playing field. School boards should set zones for public schools. LHSAA should set zones for private schools, either neighborhood or parish. Any transfer for athletic purposes pub to pub, priv to priv, pub to priv and vice versa is a penalty, EVEN if pub to private or private to public is the same zone. LHSAA should have a full time committee to oversee the transfer of any kids in varsity athletics. Just level the playing field and stop trying to find ways around for 1 side. He hit the nail on the head, "full time committee to oversee the transfer". What they have is some retired principals and other people that take a half hearted look at transfer. Transfers from one school to another should never be for sports and if they are found to be they should be ineligible forever at the school they transfered to. Enforce the rules we have. Next thing there needs to be Audits of these very successful programs. If you are doing it right there should be no issues opening your books. My opinion thing like this needs to start happening if you ever think the select/non select will have any chance of coming back together.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Mar 1, 2016 5:41:05 GMT -6
. LHSAA should set zones for private schools, either neighborhood or parish. . Isn't as cut and dry as it seems. Take Ascension Catholic (Ascension Parish) and St. John (Iberville Parish). Both draw students from White Castle (Iberville Parish). 99% of the students go to either St. John or Ascension Catholic due to where their family went to school. I lived in White Castle but went to school at Ascension Catholic due to my parents going to school at ACHS and having family in Donaldsonville. I know many parents from White Castle that choose which school their kids attend based upon where they work as there are plants/jobs in both Donaldsonville and Plaquemine. Both St. John (10.8 miles) and Ascension Catholic (11.9 miles) are equal distance from White Castle. Depending on where you live at in White Castle's school district can change that distance where it is much easier to attend one school or the other. The Parish/neighborhood line simply won't work because of border schools like these where a portion of the students attend a school in another parish due to geographical or work location..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 8:13:03 GMT -6
Absolutely will work if enforced. As will any and all rules. Its very simple. If you want to play, then go to the zoned choices. If another climate or school is more attractive, then go there. Lots of talk on here about teaching kids about "the real world" and "true competition", and "tough choices". Guess what. Make a choice.
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Post by eag on Mar 1, 2016 9:22:45 GMT -6
Absolutely will work if enforced. As will any and all rules. Its very simple. If you want to play, then go to the zoned choices. If another climate or school is more attractive, then go there. Lots of talk on here about teaching kids about "the real world" and "true competition", and "tough choices". Guess what. Make a choice. Soo funny to me the folks on here who really claim to be all about the kids but want to bar kids from playing ball because a few schools who set out to use the rules to create powerhouses might get too good, instead of simply reclassing the schools who do that. To say a kid from the example above who would be a 3d generation Ascension Catholic kid cannot play sports unless he goes to White Castle? Just cannot play? At all?? Serious..... Thank goodness we have folks like you looking out for our kids.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 10:12:03 GMT -6
So should a 3rd Generation White Castle kid be allowed to jump zones if he now lives next to Baton Rouge Catholic? See, the issue is, Local Education Authorities, due to many, many, reasons, cant allow that to happen many times in the public sector. Deseg orders, bussing, overcrowding, undercrowding, on and on and on, PREVENT this from happening "the other direction" so to speak. There in lies the rub................apples and oranges. Not the same. Hence the reason for the way classification now exist for the playoffs.
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Post by warhorsepride on Mar 1, 2016 13:26:31 GMT -6
. LHSAA should set zones for private schools, either neighborhood or parish. . Isn't as cut and dry as it seems. Take Ascension Catholic (Ascension Parish) and St. John (Iberville Parish). Both draw students from White Castle (Iberville Parish). 99% of the students go to either St. John or Ascension Catholic due to where their family went to school. I lived in White Castle but went to school at Ascension Catholic due to my parents going to school at ACHS and having family in Donaldsonville. I know many parents from White Castle that choose which school their kids attend based upon where they work as there are plants/jobs in both Donaldsonville and Plaquemine. Both St. John (10.8 miles) and Ascension Catholic (11.9 miles) are equal distance from White Castle. Depending on where you live at in White Castle's school district can change that distance where it is much easier to attend one school or the other. The Parish/neighborhood line simply won't work because of border schools like these where a portion of the students attend a school in another parish due to geographical or work location.. That's not an excuse. Zones can overlap and must with the LHSAA creating zones overlayed on public zones. Most metro area zones overlap, have a grey area or come down to crossing a street in some cases but its not the parents choice at this point because they want their kid to go closer to where they may work rather than live, a lot of this is parents faults for trying to position their athlete kids to go to better programs rather than be their The rules at this junction have come to a point where they must be concrete. You place of residence is the reference point. If you live in a school's zone, that is your home school. You can go anywhere you choose upon entering high school and be athletically eligible, after that any transfer for athletic purpose is disqualified for a school year. To transfer and be eligible, you must meet academic standard requirements, the transfer reason must not be for the betterment of the career of the athlete and reviewed as such by the Transfer committee and approved. You can only attend the school you are zoned to, to be eligible to play. If you move into an area that overlaps between public and private, you must meet the private school's academic requirements, the LHSAA's requirements and to attend the private school, but if you meet the requirements, you can again choose (I think that would be earned at that point), if not, you MUST attend the public school zoned to . 1 transfer permitted over an athletic careerSo the way I see it, to be eligible on a transfer it could be a 3/4 step process. 1. Zone Assignment(s)2. Transfer Board Approval3. Academic Approval 4. School Approval (Private and Specialty Public Schools Only)
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Post by btown on Mar 1, 2016 13:47:28 GMT -6
My question is what other transfer reason should there be beside a physical move that totally takes the kid out of the area and academic. Any transfer that is determin to be only for sports should make person ineligible forever at the school they transfer to.
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Post by warhorsepride on Mar 1, 2016 14:57:11 GMT -6
My question is what other transfer reason should there be beside a physical move that totally takes the kid out of the area and academic. Any transfer that is determin to be only for sports should make person ineligible forever at the school they transfer to. You said it right there. What other reason? Well I say the committee is needed in situation where money, housing, transportation, supplies, meals so forth are provided by a 3rd party to help these kids and their families move in and out of certain zones. Its easy to say a family moved across state, but how and why should be looked into, not just in speculation but prior to it eligibility being approved.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Mar 1, 2016 19:45:39 GMT -6
That's not an excuse. Zones can overlap and must with the LHSAA creating zones overlayed on public zones. Most metro area zones overlap, have a grey area or come down to crossing a street in some cases but its not the parents choice at this point because they want their kid to go closer to where they may work rather than live, a lot of this is parents faults for trying to position their athlete kids to go to better programs rather than be their The rules at this junction have come to a point where they must be concrete. You place of residence is the reference point. If you live in a school's zone, that is your home school. You can go anywhere you choose upon entering high school and be athletically eligible, after that any transfer for athletic purpose is disqualified for a school year. To transfer and be eligible, you must meet academic standard requirements, the transfer reason must not be for the betterment of the career of the athlete and reviewed as such by the Transfer committee and approved. You can only attend the school you are zoned to, to be eligible to play. If you move into an area that overlaps between public and private, you must meet the private school's academic requirements, the LHSAA's requirements and to attend the private school, but if you meet the requirements, you can again choose (I think that would be earned at that point), if not, you MUST attend the public school zoned to . 1 transfer permitted over an athletic careerSo the way I see it, to be eligible on a transfer it could be a 3/4 step process. 1. Zone Assignment(s)2. Transfer Board Approval3. Academic Approval 4. School Approval (Private and Specialty Public Schools Only) I understand what you are saying. What would you do in the instance of White Castle. There are no private schools in White Castle. The nearest schools are ACHS and St. John. Both schools are academically better than White Castle High School. Not to mention that the vast majority of kids from White Castle that attend these private schools have done so throughout their academic careers. I have no problem with letting kids sit our a year with a transfer as long as there is an appeal process. I don't think a kid should be punished if his parents work status changes and is forced to move. Would like a committee to review each case to avoid punishing kids in this instance.
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Post by pioneer on Mar 1, 2016 19:48:08 GMT -6
My question is what other transfer reason should there be beside a physical move that totally takes the kid out of the area and academic. Any transfer that is determin to be only for sports should make person ineligible forever at the school they transfer to. Lay off the crack pipe.
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Post by warhorsepride on Mar 1, 2016 21:22:55 GMT -6
That's not an excuse. Zones can overlap and must with the LHSAA creating zones overlayed on public zones. Most metro area zones overlap, have a grey area or come down to crossing a street in some cases but its not the parents choice at this point because they want their kid to go closer to where they may work rather than live, a lot of this is parents faults for trying to position their athlete kids to go to better programs rather than be their The rules at this junction have come to a point where they must be concrete. You place of residence is the reference point. If you live in a school's zone, that is your home school. You can go anywhere you choose upon entering high school and be athletically eligible, after that any transfer for athletic purpose is disqualified for a school year. To transfer and be eligible, you must meet academic standard requirements, the transfer reason must not be for the betterment of the career of the athlete and reviewed as such by the Transfer committee and approved. You can only attend the school you are zoned to, to be eligible to play. If you move into an area that overlaps between public and private, you must meet the private school's academic requirements, the LHSAA's requirements and to attend the private school, but if you meet the requirements, you can again choose (I think that would be earned at that point), if not, you MUST attend the public school zoned to . 1 transfer permitted over an athletic careerSo the way I see it, to be eligible on a transfer it could be a 3/4 step process. 1. Zone Assignment(s)2. Transfer Board Approval3. Academic Approval 4. School Approval (Private and Specialty Public Schools Only) I understand what you are saying. What would you do in the instance of White Castle. There are no private schools in White Castle. The nearest schools are ACHS and St. John. Both schools are academically better than White Castle High School. Not to mention that the vast majority of kids from White Castle that attend these private schools have done so throughout their academic careers. I have no problem with letting kids sit our a year with a transfer as long as there is an appeal process. I don't think a kid should be punished if his parents work status changes and is forced to move. Would like a committee to review each case to avoid punishing kids in this instance. Well because parish lines can't be ignored, and because White Castle I'd say that White Castle's zone would probably be a buffer between the two. Iberville Parish would be St. John or White Castle, Ascension Catholic or Donaldsonville, in both cases they would overlap, but not going across parish lines. If so, eligibility would be disqualified for a year. Of course there would be an appeals process, but that is what the committee is for in the first place. Transfer Approval by this board would be stating this change is on the up and up, that is a family based moved and so on and so forth in those case. They would have the ability to say you are eligible or not and state why or why not in that process.
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Post by btown on Mar 1, 2016 22:01:14 GMT -6
My question is what other transfer reason should there be beside a physical move that totally takes the kid out of the area and academic. Any transfer that is determin to be only for sports should make person ineligible forever at the school they transfer to. Lay off the crack pipe. You find something wrong with what I posted and all you can say is lay off the crack pipe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 8:30:53 GMT -6
You find something wrong with what I posted and all you can say is lay off the crack pipe. Absolutely if ruled that the move happened for athletics. We often talk about integrity of those involved AFTER the fact. Make this very simple. 1) When a kid leaves ANY school for ANY reason, an exit meeting is held with the Principal to determine the reasons for the move. 2) If the leaving principal deems the move for athletic purposes, he/she tells the LHSAA and its over. Done. Ineligible. 3) There will be a committee formed that meets at the beginning of each semester to rule on any appeals a parent would have concerning the principals initial ruling.
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Post by btown on Mar 2, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -6
You find something wrong with what I posted and all you can say is lay off the crack pipe. Absolutely if ruled that the move happened for athletics. We often talk about integrity of those involved AFTER the fact. Make this very simple. 1) When a kid leaves ANY school for ANY reason, an exit meeting is held with the Principal to determine the reasons for the move. 2) If the leaving principal deems the move for athletic purposes, he/she tells the LHSAA and its over. Done. Ineligible. 3) There will be a committee formed that meets at the beginning of each semester to rule on any appeals a parent would have concerning the principals initial ruling. To simple of a idea for the LHSAA!!!
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Post by warhorsepride on Mar 2, 2016 9:51:29 GMT -6
You find something wrong with what I posted and all you can say is lay off the crack pipe. Absolutely if ruled that the move happened for athletics. We often talk about integrity of those involved AFTER the fact. Make this very simple. 1) When a kid leaves ANY school for ANY reason, an exit meeting is held with the Principal to determine the reasons for the move. 2) If the leaving principal deems the move for athletic purposes, he/she tells the LHSAA and its over. Done. Ineligible. 3) There will be a committee formed that meets at the beginning of each semester to rule on any appeals a parent would have concerning the principals initial ruling. That would absolutely not work for one reason. At some point, its gonna be some butthurt principal who loses a star kid that grants them ineligible. They could appeal but I'd rather ways to avoid the opinion of those somewhat involved to begin with. Id rather it be a 3rd party. More of a chance at being fair. I know we're speaking about people who should be professional but that will never always be the case in Louisiana when especially High School Football is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 9:53:52 GMT -6
Absolutely if ruled that the move happened for athletics. We often talk about integrity of those involved AFTER the fact. Make this very simple. 1) When a kid leaves ANY school for ANY reason, an exit meeting is held with the Principal to determine the reasons for the move. 2) If the leaving principal deems the move for athletic purposes, he/she tells the LHSAA and its over. Done. Ineligible. 3) There will be a committee formed that meets at the beginning of each semester to rule on any appeals a parent would have concerning the principals initial ruling. That would absolutely not work for one reason. At some point, its gonna be some butthurt principal who loses a star kid that grants them ineligible. They could appeal but I'd rather ways to avoid the opinion of those somewhat involved to begin with. Id rather it be a 3rd party. More of a chance at being fair. I know we're speaking about people who should be professional but that will never always be the case in Louisiana when especially High School Football is concerned. If said, "butthurt principal" deems the star kid is leaving for athletic purposes (which is almost ALWAYS the case with star kids) then they SHOULD be ineligible!! Thats the entire point!
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Post by eag on Mar 2, 2016 10:57:39 GMT -6
Isn't as cut and dry as it seems. Take Ascension Catholic (Ascension Parish) and St. John (Iberville Parish). Both draw students from White Castle (Iberville Parish). 99% of the students go to either St. John or Ascension Catholic due to where their family went to school. I lived in White Castle but went to school at Ascension Catholic due to my parents going to school at ACHS and having family in Donaldsonville. I know many parents from White Castle that choose which school their kids attend based upon where they work as there are plants/jobs in both Donaldsonville and Plaquemine. Both St. John (10.8 miles) and Ascension Catholic (11.9 miles) are equal distance from White Castle. Depending on where you live at in White Castle's school district can change that distance where it is much easier to attend one school or the other. The Parish/neighborhood line simply won't work because of border schools like these where a portion of the students attend a school in another parish due to geographical or work location.. That's not an excuse. Zones can overlap and must with the LHSAA creating zones overlayed on public zones. Most metro area zones overlap, have a grey area or come down to crossing a street in some cases but its not the parents choice at this point because they want their kid to go closer to where they may work rather than live, a lot of this is parents faults for trying to position their athlete kids to go to better programs rather than be their The rules at this junction have come to a point where they must be concrete. You place of residence is the reference point. If you live in a school's zone, that is your home school. You can go anywhere you choose upon entering high school and be athletically eligible, after that any transfer for athletic purpose is disqualified for a school year. To transfer and be eligible, you must meet academic standard requirements, the transfer reason must not be for the betterment of the career of the athlete and reviewed as such by the Transfer committee and approved. You can only attend the school you are zoned to, to be eligible to play. If you move into an area that overlaps between public and private, you must meet the private school's academic requirements, the LHSAA's requirements and to attend the private school, but if you meet the requirements, you can again choose (I think that would be earned at that point), if not, you MUST attend the public school zoned to . 1 transfer permitted over an athletic careerSo the way I see it, to be eligible on a transfer it could be a 3/4 step process. 1. Zone Assignment(s)2. Transfer Board Approval3. Academic Approval 4. School Approval (Private and Specialty Public Schools Only) This is a great plan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 8:51:38 GMT -6
Yes, basically the same idea as exists already. The main issue is as of now, it is INCREDIBLY hard to prove a kid moved for "athletic reasons". That is why I say the school from which the kid is moving from MUST have more impact into that decision.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 4, 2016 18:20:21 GMT -6
Yes, basically the same idea as exists already. The main issue is as of now, it is INCREDIBLY hard to prove a kid moved for "athletic reasons". That is why I say the school from which the kid is moving from MUST have more impact into that decision. it should be about the KIDS... that's why we have the LHSAA... it should be hard to prove "athletic reasons" and the kid should always get the benefit of the doubt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 11:52:51 GMT -6
Yes, basically the same idea as exists already. The main issue is as of now, it is INCREDIBLY hard to prove a kid moved for "athletic reasons". That is why I say the school from which the kid is moving from MUST have more impact into that decision. it should be about the KIDS... that's why we have the LHSAA... it should be hard to prove "athletic reasons" and the kid should always get the benefit of the doubt Great answer. No kid, or parent, would EVER lie. Its never happened.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 7, 2016 12:02:55 GMT -6
well yeah, you're for giving them a reason to lie...
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Post by pinion on Mar 7, 2016 12:29:25 GMT -6
So the title of this thread is "rule to reunite".
The conclusion I've come to is that everybody will never come together. There are too many people in this state that cannot get over themselves to allow that to happen. Too many people like "bigbobjohnson" who will not accept anything you put on the table to placate their hurt feelings or whatever.
The only way to go from here is for private schools to ditch the LHSAA and I have a pretty good feeling that's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:23:25 GMT -6
well yeah, you're for giving them a reason to lie... No, I am asking for the truth. Simply put, the truth is, schools are for learning, not athletics. When certain schools attempt to make it about winning before education, OR use education as an incentive to enhance their athletic teams, that is wrong by rule according to the LHSAA handbook.
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