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Post by Raven on Apr 7, 2016 10:00:50 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 10:25:54 GMT -6
There is nothing to "fix". Nothing is broken. A new form of playoff classification was voted into rule by a democratic majority. NOTHING TO FIX Yes, Bonine made his bed. He now must lay in it. The majority thought there was nothing wrong with segregation at one time too, didn't they? That didn't make it right. That's all the split is. A form a segregation against (mostly) christian, faith-based schools. We also segregate schools be number of students. Is this wrong too? Do you really believe the split is due to Christianity? I doubt you truly believe that.
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Post by btown on Apr 7, 2016 10:40:20 GMT -6
Bonine really screwed the privates when he decided he would declare the split dead. Really pissed off the public principals. Forced them into a hardline stance. Privates thought they had really stuck it to the publics. I seriously doubt there will be much compromise after that move. Where do you get the privates thought they had really stuck it to the publics? Anyone with half a brain knew they would go back into executive session and correct there oversight. Its so funny how so many people think the privates are trying to stick it to the publics. The privates were voted off to their own playoffs. They are the minority. Public school supporters are constantly defending the principals. Over and over its been repeated on here how these are well educated people, that have nothing but the best interest of the kids at heart. But yet with all these well educated people, all they could come up with was a split. It tells me that they have no interest in really trying to fix things and they should let someone else (like the athletic directors) handle it. I think it was not just the privtates voted to their own playoffs, also the public. So again the privates are not being denied anything that the public schools have.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 7, 2016 10:44:19 GMT -6
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Post by Raven on Apr 7, 2016 11:22:06 GMT -6
The majority thought there was nothing wrong with segregation at one time too, didn't they? That didn't make it right. That's all the split is. A form a segregation against (mostly) christian, faith-based schools. We also segregate schools be number of students. Is this wrong too? No, we don't. Schools separated by classification are still allowed to compete in the bracket decided by that classification. In essence, the schools that play in that class can still compete in the playoffs in that class.
While I think that there should be more criteria to classification than simply enrollment, classification itself is not a form of segregation.
Do you really believe the split is due to Christianity? I doubt you truly believe that. What you or I believe to be true is not particularly relevant. It is intent versus result. While I agree that the split was not passed on religious grounds, the real effects of the split are such that faith-based schools are segregated from their true classifications for the purposes of the playoffs. Just because there are a few public schools affected as well, does not mean that religious schools and the students that attend them are not being ostracized for their beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 11:34:20 GMT -6
Where do you get the privates thought they had really stuck it to the publics? Anyone with half a brain knew they would go back into executive session and correct there oversight. Its so funny how so many people think the privates are trying to stick it to the publics. The privates were voted off to their own playoffs. They are the minority. Public school supporters are constantly defending the principals. Over and over its been repeated on here how these are well educated people, that have nothing but the best interest of the kids at heart. But yet with all these well educated people, all they could come up with was a split. It tells me that they have no interest in really trying to fix things and they should let someone else (like the athletic directors) handle it. Bonine must not have half a brain then, because he sure as hell wouldn't have come out and proclaimed the split was dead if he thought it would have just been corrected overnight. He and his private buddies thought they had figured out a way to stick it to the publics. WOW!!! You're the one. You broke it. It was a conspiracy between Bonine and the private schools. Yes it was a plan that the tyrannous private schools would team with LHSAA to take advantage of the poor public schools (whose field houses and stadiums are made of straw and twigs). Their plan was to take all the public schools' athletes (most who come from local orphanages). Just when this evil plan was about to fall into place the the white knight principals swooped in on their winged horses and split the sports up, almost like parting the Red Sea. The public schools were saved never to have to face those horrible private schools (who have unfair advantages, unlimited resources and most of all can say "NO PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR YOU") is the playoffs again. Happy times in public land.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 11:41:40 GMT -6
Bonine must not have half a brain then, because he sure as hell wouldn't have come out and proclaimed the split was dead if he thought it would have just been corrected overnight. He and his private buddies thought they had figured out a way to stick it to the publics. WOW!!! You're the one. You broke it. It was a conspiracy between Bonine and the private schools. Yes it was a plan that the tyrannous private schools would team with LHSAA to take advantage of the poor public schools (whose field houses and stadiums are made of straw and twigs). Their plan was to take all the public schools' athletes (most who come from local orphanages). Just when this evil plan was about to fall into place the the white knight principals swooped in on their winged horses and split the sports up, almost like parting the Red Sea. The public schools were saved never to have to face those horrible private schools (who have unfair advantages, unlimited resources and most of all can say "NO PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR YOU") is the playoffs again. Happy times in public land. No, it was broken long before me. Back before the January vote. It's what has galvanized the public schools to take action, and not back down.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 11:52:31 GMT -6
While I think that there should be more criteria to classification than simply enrollment, classification itself is not a form of segregation.
Agreed, and that's all Select/Non-Select is, a classification.
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Post by Raven on Apr 7, 2016 12:49:26 GMT -6
Agreed, and that's all Select/Non-Select is, a classification. And yet, it is not. If it were simply another classification then all of the district games would be with other schools in that classification. And we know this is not the case. Schools are not classified by how they get students only by the number of students in the school. Select schools are segregated only during the playoffs.
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Post by eag on Apr 7, 2016 14:53:32 GMT -6
Todd Guice, the out going president of the LHSAA Executive Committee, now has written a letter to the media exclaming his viewpoint on "compromise" A couple of points before I continue: 1) He has never been a varsity head coach in any sport. 2) He no longer is a principal of a school. 3) When he was a principal (Ouachita HS) he voted FOR the split in football. 4) He currently works in the central office of Ouachita Parish Schools, and has no vested interest in any of this any longer, just opinion However, with all of that in mind, I dont think Mr. Guice is far off the mark. So, with that in mind, here is MY proposed "Compromise" A COMPLETELY autonomous "Competition Committee" that can and will place teams, in any classification they choose for competitive purposes. They report to KNOW ONE. They simply look at the facts and place teams. This committee also has the right to remove any team from playoff competition they so choose if they deem said team was in breech, in any way, of luring potentials athletes to their school for athletic purposes. As Mr. Guice pointed out, Article 2 of the LHSAA Constitution is being ignored, however NOT in the way he pointed out. Article 2 specifically states: "To protect members of the Association by preparing and enforcing eligibility rules that will equalize and stimulate wholesome competition" and, "To prevent the exploitation of member schools’ programs by special interest groups" It is my contention that this point, that is part of the LHSAA constitution HAS NOT BEEN ENFORECED and the "split" was a way to enforce it! Now, if the Select Enrollment Sector of this argument is TRULY interested in parity, this option, this idea, this line of thought, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED!! Something like this is EXACTLY what needs to happen. I've proposed several times some kind of success metric to accomplish the same thing with a more objective manner but I would be totally OK with this kind of set-up.
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Post by coach4christ on Apr 8, 2016 6:56:01 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought.
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Post by truthman on Apr 8, 2016 7:07:51 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. I do not think this is a bad idea, but the select schools, for the most part, wont go with it. You see, they want their cake and eat it too, at the expense of the select schools who DO NOT use the inherent advantage of selective enrollment for an athletic benefit. The ATHLETIC ELITIST select schools are actually the ones punishing the select schools who attempt to do things with integrity and within the spirit of the rules. Most select school administration and coaches will tell you this privately (those at the schools that do not use their advantages for athletic purposes), but they are admonished publicly by their select school brethren if they utter these thoughts to the general population!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 7:58:04 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. If the Athlete to non athlete ratio is the problem, why do you propose to correct that by adding a 2 times multiplier to all select schools? MOST select schools do not have the skewed ratios. Some do. A better proposal would be to simply count that ratio and use a multiplier for ratios that warrant adjustment. Most private schools want athletic competition as part of the high school experience. We root for our teams and sometimes win, sometimes lose. Most of the time we are outmatched by our public school counterparts. and work harder to try to compete. $.02
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Post by SimpleBob on Apr 8, 2016 8:05:27 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. If the Athlete to non athlete ratio is the problem, why do you propose to correct that by adding a 2 times multiplier to all select schools? MOST select schools do not have the skewed ratios. Some do. A better proposal would be to simply count that ratio and use a multiplier for ratios that warrant adjustment. Most private schools want athletic competition as part of the high school experience. We root for our teams and sometimes win, sometimes lose. Most of the time we are outmatched by our public school counterparts. and work harder to try to compete. $.02 Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 8:07:04 GMT -6
I do not think this is a bad idea, but the select schools, for the most part, wont go with it. You see, they want their cake and eat it too, at the expense of the select schools who DO NOT use the inherent advantage of selective enrollment for an athletic benefit. The ATHLETIC ELITIST select schools are actually the ones punishing the select schools who attempt to do things with integrity and within the spirit of the rules. Most select school administration and coaches will tell you this privately (those at the schools that do not use their advantages for athletic purposes), but they are admonished publicly by their select school brethren if they utter these thoughts to the general population! I'll just call this out for being complete hog wash. There is no mechanism in the LHSAA for private schools to police other private schools. We have no private school brethren. We compete against them the same way public schools do. The public schools made up things to lump us all together and that changes with the wind. First it was recruiting, then school environment, then excluding "bad apples", then inherent advantages, now it is athlete to non athlete ratio. It boils down to simply being anti-private school. I think that is okay, but just stop lying about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 8:12:33 GMT -6
If the Athlete to non athlete ratio is the problem, why do you propose to correct that by adding a 2 times multiplier to all select schools? MOST select schools do not have the skewed ratios. Some do. A better proposal would be to simply count that ratio and use a multiplier for ratios that warrant adjustment. Most private schools want athletic competition as part of the high school experience. We root for our teams and sometimes win, sometimes lose. Most of the time we are outmatched by our public school counterparts. and work harder to try to compete. $.02 Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved. Perfectly fair is unattainable because "fair" is measured differently by each person. The how schools acquire, retain, ar deny admission is different, but NOT athletically significant. Public schools select athletes for their teams , they do not let everyone who goes out for a sport on the team (deny). Most private schools do not win consistently. Some do.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 8:23:20 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. That goes hand in hand with using a school's athletic budget as a way to adjust enrollment counts. More athletes means more equipment, more supplies, etc... if a school, public or private, is spending more than the average for their true class, coupled with a multiplier for out-of-zone students as well as a success metric would move those schools into higher classifications with other schools who are better able to compete with them. At the same time, schools who spend well below the average of the rest of the their classification could have their enrollment numbers modified downward and could actually push them down in classification with schools they could better compete with. Once the numbers are modified, and resorted the classifications can be set for the next 2-year cycle. At which time the numbers can be run again and schools will again be moved up or down as necessary. This is the best way to identify which schools are using their advantage and which schools are simply fielding a team with the players they have.
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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 8:25:14 GMT -6
Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved. Perfectly fair is unattainable because "fair" is measured differently by each person. The how schools acquire, retain, ar deny admission is different, but NOT athletically significant. Public schools select athletes for their teams , they do not let everyone who goes out for a sport on the team (deny). Most private schools do not win consistently. Some do. Far from the truth. BIG supporter of private schools and their necessity. Public schools (like private schools) select athletes, HOWEVER, public schools DO NOT select enrollment. If I can control my student body, I have a GREAT chance of controlling my extracurricular. If you cant (or wont) see that, then this argument with you is a mute point. 1) All schools can compete against each other if they so choose still, during the regular season. 2) Grouping of schools who attain, deny, and retain, their student body in like manners for playoff competition only. Pretty simple, everyone understands the reasons, but the reality is, those schools who seek athletic advantage lose swagger when they can defeat the local public schools in playoff competition. Therefore, they lose a MUCH need part of their recruitment rhetoric. Truth. It hurts, but its still the truth. No one said that Private schools can police each other............a far reach from what was said.
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Post by SilentAssassin on Apr 8, 2016 8:27:13 GMT -6
Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved. Perfectly fair is unattainable because "fair" is measured differently by each person. The how schools acquire, retain, ar deny admission is different, but NOT athletically significant. Public schools select athletes for their teams , they do not let everyone who goes out for a sport on the team (deny). Most private schools do not win consistently. Some do. Correct, not perfectly fair. That is why, the select side needs to hush. They big excuse at this point is "what about the select schools that never win"? Ok, what about the non select schools "that never win". Your point? No point, just blah blah blah.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 8:28:14 GMT -6
If the Athlete to non athlete ratio is the problem, why do you propose to correct that by adding a 2 times multiplier to all select schools? MOST select schools do not have the skewed ratios. Some do. A better proposal would be to simply count that ratio and use a multiplier for ratios that warrant adjustment. Most private schools want athletic competition as part of the high school experience. We root for our teams and sometimes win, sometimes lose. Most of the time we are outmatched by our public school counterparts. and work harder to try to compete. $.02 Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved. But this has always been the case. It's no different now than it was 50 years ago. Why has it been ok to compete against private schools for the last 80 years, but now all of sudden it's not?
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 8:29:36 GMT -6
Perfectly fair is unattainable because "fair" is measured differently by each person. The how schools acquire, retain, ar deny admission is different, but NOT athletically significant. Public schools select athletes for their teams , they do not let everyone who goes out for a sport on the team (deny). Most private schools do not win consistently. Some do. Correct, not perfectly fair. That is why, the select side needs to hush. They big excuse at this point is "what about the select schools that never win"? Ok, what about the non select schools "that never win". Your point? No point, just blah blah blah. You just don't get it. That IS the point. Not all schools are going to be successful. Getting rid of private schools isn't going to change that.
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Post by truthman on Apr 8, 2016 8:31:17 GMT -6
Viable answer, however the "count" by those that choose, could be skewed to their favor. The key to this ENTIRE issue is the complete understanding that Select vs Non select schools, acquire, deny, and retain their kids, in completely different ways. With this in mind, there is no viable "equation" that will make it perfectly fair for all involved. But this has always been the case. It's no different now than it was 50 years ago. Why has it been ok to compete against private schools for the last 80 years, but now all of sudden it's not? Its been a long time coming. Up until the 70s, few if any private schools used the system to a great athletic advantage. Since then, a great many do. We have tried many different solutions, but the bottom line is, you cant legislate integrity. So, the most effective thing to do was to group according to how a school attained, denied, and retained enrollment.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -6
But this has always been the case. It's no different now than it was 50 years ago. Why has it been ok to compete against private schools for the last 80 years, but now all of sudden it's not? Its been a long time coming. Up until the 70s, few if any private schools used the system to a great athletic advantage. Since then, a great many do. We have tried many different solutions, but the bottom line is, you cant legislate integrity. So, the most effective thing to do was to group according to how a school attained, denied, and retained enrollment. Not the most effective thing to do, just the easiest. Kick 'em all out, who cares what happens...
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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 9:15:19 GMT -6
Its been a long time coming. Up until the 70s, few if any private schools used the system to a great athletic advantage. Since then, a great many do. We have tried many different solutions, but the bottom line is, you cant legislate integrity. So, the most effective thing to do was to group according to how a school attained, denied, and retained enrollment. Not the most effective thing to do, just the easiest. Kick 'em all out, who cares what happens... Certainly not the easiest either. The easiest thing to do is to sit back and act like nothing is the matter. We've done that for over 40 years. Change is good. Embrace it.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -6
Not the most effective thing to do, just the easiest. Kick 'em all out, who cares what happens... Certainly not the easiest either. The easiest thing to do is to sit back and act like nothing is the matter. We've done that for over 40 years. Change is good. Embrace it. Change is good. It's necessary. I never disagreed with that. I disagree with the method that was chosen. There is a better way than to simply rid yourself of competition. That never works out well for anyone involved.
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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 10:01:05 GMT -6
Certainly not the easiest either. The easiest thing to do is to sit back and act like nothing is the matter. We've done that for over 40 years. Change is good. Embrace it. Change is good. It's necessary. I never disagreed with that. I disagree with the method that was chosen. There is a better way than to simply rid yourself of competition. That never works out well for anyone involved. No one "ridded" anyone of the competition. We are not competing against like schools. Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner. We are now comparing apples to apples, oranges to oranges. One wouldnt expect McNeese to compete in a playoff with Alabama, EVEN though the way those two schools aquire, deny, and retain students and athletes are MUCH more closely associated than many of the scenarios that played out yearly previous to the split in the LHSAA!
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 10:31:57 GMT -6
Change is good. It's necessary. I never disagreed with that. I disagree with the method that was chosen. There is a better way than to simply rid yourself of competition. That never works out well for anyone involved. No one "ridded" anyone of the competition. We are not competing against like schools. Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner. We are now comparing apples to apples, oranges to oranges. One wouldnt expect McNeese to compete in a playoff with Alabama, EVEN though the way those two schools aquire, deny, and retain students and athletes are MUCH more closely associated than many of the scenarios that played out yearly previous to the split in the LHSAA! Only if you believe in the dubious premise that "Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner" are more evenly matched on a sports playing field. That in itself show a severe lack of knowledge and foresight in the people that developed the split playoffs in the first place.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 8, 2016 10:52:05 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. I like your idea of the auto multiplier but would change to automatically move up 1 class for select schools and then overlay a competition committee that could move up or down a school select or non-select based on success or not. Also allow schools to move up all sports higher than 1 class if they choose to do so. I don't think you will get enough schools interested in the super class to make it a viable option but I could be wrong. Seems like a fair compromise to me.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 8, 2016 10:54:16 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. I like your idea of the auto multiplier but would change to automatically move up 1 class for select schools and then overlay a competition committee that could move up or down a school select or non-select based on success or not. Also allow schools to move up all sports higher than 1 class if they choose to do so. I don't think you will get enough schools interested in the super class to make it a viable option but I could be wrong. Seems like a fair compromise to me. Btw love your username
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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 10:56:00 GMT -6
As a public school coach, I want to give my input. It is not necessarily that private schools recruit that is the issue. The issue is that their athlete to non athlete numbers are way higher than most public schools. For example, there is a private school around here that barely has 2a numbers, they dress 70-80 players for a football game. The majority of their baseball, softball, and basketball players are 1 sport players. While their enrollment numbers are low, their athlete to non athlete numbers are high. At my school for example, we have 2a numbers and there are 10 boys in offseason football right now. The rest are in track, baseball golf etc. Most small public schools do not have the number of athletes that a comparable sized private school will. I think a minimum 2 class multiplier would work great. If you are select enrollment and have 1a numbers, you go to 3a etc. I also think we need a super class that the schools who want to "be and beat the best" can play in. Just a thought. I like your idea of the auto multiplier but would change to automatically move up 1 class for select schools and then overlay a competition committee that could move up or down a school select or non-select based on success or not. Also allow schools to move up all sports higher than 1 class if they choose to do so. I don't think you will get enough schools interested in the super class to make it a viable option but I could be wrong. Seems like a fair compromise to me. Gentlemen, multipliers have been used, and failed in MANY states. If I have 28 kids in my school, and ALL are big time basketball kids, I am class C, and win multiple Class C statechampionships even though I am MISERABLY coached. (see New Living Word) Whats my mulitplier gonna be to equate my competition? 20.0?
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