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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 8, 2016 11:02:42 GMT -6
[/quote]Gentlemen, multipliers have been used, and failed in MANY states. If I have 28 kids in my school, and ALL are big time basketball kids, I am class C, and win multiple Class C statechampionships even though I am MISERABLY coached. (see New Living Word) Whats my mulitplier gonna be to equate my competition? 20.0?[/quote][
That's where the competition committee comes in and moves them up for that specific sport. Example this year LCA even though they did not win State would have moved up to 2A in all sports except boys basketball. Competition committee could look at their team and say you belong in 4A based on level of talent. No one in 2A could say they couldn't compete with LCA in their other sports this year a be taken seriously.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 8, 2016 11:04:16 GMT -6
No one "ridded" anyone of the competition. We are not competing against like schools. Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner. We are now comparing apples to apples, oranges to oranges. One wouldnt expect McNeese to compete in a playoff with Alabama, EVEN though the way those two schools aquire, deny, and retain students and athletes are MUCH more closely associated than many of the scenarios that played out yearly previous to the split in the LHSAA! Only if you believe in the dubious premise that "Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner" are more evenly matched on a sports playing field. That in itself show a severe lack of knowledge and foresight in the people that developed the split playoffs in the first place. How schools both public and private acquire students is really not the issue nor is it the reason for the perceived disparity. Public schools and private schools compete for the student population. Most particularly catholic schools get their students from the catholic system. Students that NEVER spent a day in public schools, some going back generations. People now are fleeing the public system because it is a failed system and will continue to be so until it is repaired. There is NO private school that is part of the LHSAA that I know of, that has an "ATHLETIC" requirement for you to attend. But every single one of them has an ACADEMIC requirement and a DISCIPLINARIAN requirement. This is the real reason that there is an advantage at private schools. So when you say you have a disadvantage because you "have to" take bad students it is not bogus. It is because the schools systems hands have been tied by social liberalness of the progressive socialistic state. If public schools were allowed to setup non athletic schools that you could move your disciplinary problems to, you would find an improvement in Academics and then a subsequent improvement in athletics. Instead, criminality is almost encouraged and kids have been know to play football games with an ankle monitor strapped on. So we scapegoat the private schools who as a whole are more successful. The public schools will continue to go down the rabbit hole of failure with consolidation and budget cuts, while private schools will flourish as more parents move to protect their children from the criminal element. I have sisters who have taught and retired from the public system and they did so as quickly as possible because of a lack of discipline at their schools. As the good teachers retire or flee the public system, the private schools will continue to reap the harvest of quality education they bring with them. But first we have to squeeze out that public school mentality.
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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 11:16:32 GMT -6
Only if you believe in the dubious premise that "Schools that aquire, deny, and retain students in a like manner" are more evenly matched on a sports playing field. That in itself show a severe lack of knowledge and foresight in the people that developed the split playoffs in the first place. How schools both public and private acquire students is really not the issue nor is it the reason for the perceived disparity. Public schools and private schools compete for the student population. Most particularly catholic schools get their students from the catholic system. Students that NEVER spent a day in public schools, some going back generations. People now are fleeing the public system because it is a failed system and will continue to be so until it is repaired. There is NO private school that is part of the LHSAA that I know of, that has an "ATHLETIC" requirement for you to attend. But every single one of them has an ACADEMIC requirement and a DISCIPLINARIAN requirement. This is the real reason that there is an advantage at private schools. So when you say you have a disadvantage because you "have to" take bad students it is not bogus. It is because the schools systems hands have been tied by social liberalness of the progressive socialistic state. If public schools were allowed to setup non athletic schools that you could move your disciplinary problems to, you would find an improvement in Academics and then a subsequent improvement in athletics. Instead, criminality is almost encouraged and kids have been know to play football games with an ankle monitor strapped on. So we scapegoat the private schools who as a whole are more successful. The public schools will continue to go down the rabbit hole of failure with consolidation and budget cuts, while private schools will flourish as more parents move to protect their children from the criminal element. I have sisters who have taught and retired from the public system and they did so as quickly as possible because of a lack of discipline at their schools. As the good teachers retire or flee the public system, the private schools will continue to reap the harvest of quality education they bring with them. But first we have to squeeze out that public school mentality. Not disagreeing. Theirin lies the advantage. This is not about a complete educational system change. No one on this forum can do that. Feel the Bern. However, we can classify based on how schools attain, deny, and retain enrollment.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 8, 2016 11:35:23 GMT -6
How schools both public and private acquire students is really not the issue nor is it the reason for the perceived disparity. Public schools and private schools compete for the student population. Most particularly catholic schools get their students from the catholic system. Students that NEVER spent a day in public schools, some going back generations. People now are fleeing the public system because it is a failed system and will continue to be so until it is repaired. There is NO private school that is part of the LHSAA that I know of, that has an "ATHLETIC" requirement for you to attend. But every single one of them has an ACADEMIC requirement and a DISCIPLINARIAN requirement. This is the real reason that there is an advantage at private schools. So when you say you have a disadvantage because you "have to" take bad students it is not bogus. It is because the schools systems hands have been tied by social liberalness of the progressive socialistic state. If public schools were allowed to setup non athletic schools that you could move your disciplinary problems to, you would find an improvement in Academics and then a subsequent improvement in athletics. Instead, criminality is almost encouraged and kids have been know to play football games with an ankle monitor strapped on. So we scapegoat the private schools who as a whole are more successful. The public schools will continue to go down the rabbit hole of failure with consolidation and budget cuts, while private schools will flourish as more parents move to protect their children from the criminal element. I have sisters who have taught and retired from the public system and they did so as quickly as possible because of a lack of discipline at their schools. As the good teachers retire or flee the public system, the private schools will continue to reap the harvest of quality education they bring with them. But first we have to squeeze out that public school mentality. Not disagreeing. Theirin lies the advantage. This is not about a complete educational system change. No one on this forum can do that. Feel the Bern. However, we can classify based on how schools attain, deny, and retain enrollment. We can also do other things than just splitting if we are interested in reaching a meaningful compromise that ensures fair competition for all schools.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 11:41:43 GMT -6
Not disagreeing. Theirin lies the advantage. This is not about a complete educational system change. No one on this forum can do that. Feel the Bern. However, we can classify based on how schools attain, deny, and retain enrollment. We can also do other things than just splitting if we are interested in reaching a meaningful compromise that ensures fair competition for all schools. This is all I've been trying to say for 3 years now...
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 8, 2016 12:05:30 GMT -6
For now LA has the school voucher program, not sure how much longer that will happen. So if a parent of a failing school wants to use the voucher to send their child to a private school (if said private school accepts vouchers) who is the bad person? The school that accepts the student (has to meet academic & discipline standards) or the parent that wants to send their child there?
Now the parent can also choose to send their child to a non-failing public school in the Parish they live in. So can the non-failing Public school now be considered select?
What about the Parish that only has 1 school that has a football team? I know that Sabine Parish where Many High School is located has a rule that any student in the Parish who wants to play football is allowed to transfer to MHS. This info came from the School Board in Many, so can they be considered select or have people say the recruit athletes from the other schools? This is the school that Mr. Booker who champions the split is the Principal, does this mean that MHS has an inherit advantage over other 2A schools in the state that can't do this?
These are just a few questions for the split supporters. I graduated from Many High School and played football there during the 80's. We only made the playoffs 1 time in my 4 years there, our toughest games then were against Winnfield & Jonesboro-Hodge (both public). I am sorry to the rest of the state that the school where I graduated and played for has brought this on us.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 8, 2016 12:23:56 GMT -6
I like your idea of the auto multiplier but would change to automatically move up 1 class for select schools and then overlay a competition committee that could move up or down a school select or non-select based on success or not. Also allow schools to move up all sports higher than 1 class if they choose to do so. I don't think you will get enough schools interested in the super class to make it a viable option but I could be wrong. Seems like a fair compromise to me. Gentlemen, multipliers have been used, and failed in MANY states. If I have 28 kids in my school, and ALL are big time basketball kids, I am class C, and win multiple Class C statechampionships even though I am MISERABLY coached. (see New Living Word) Whats my mulitplier gonna be to equate my competition? 20.0? Well, your school is now going to be the victim of the unintended consequence. After the private schools leave: There are 33 class B schools, 8 are private 25 public. Class C has 40 schools, 15 private or charter leaving 25 publics. Class C will go away and you will have to compete up a class. 50 schools in a single non football class. There are 60 1A schools 30 are Select leaving 30. There are 69 2A schools 32 are Select leaving 37 There are 66 3A schools 17 are Select leaving 49 There are 61 4A schools 13 are Select leaving 48 There are 70 5A schools 15 are Select leaving 55 Class C and B will have to be combined to reduce cost with a reduction in championships. Some sports will have to be drop due to lack of competition or they will be forced to move to a division with 1A schools. (Volleyball, Soccer, Softball etc.) Which not every school offers a team. Since the rule is to total and then divide equally for football, with 219 football playing schools 55 schools per class. That means right now 5A will be unchanged and the rest all realigned to form a new 4A population of 1159 ish and greater. 3A will be @ 579 to 1159, 2A will be @399 to @578 and 1A will be @398 and below. And keep the 32 team playoff format. Our new organization: Division I 36 largest with JC, e, notre Dame and Parkview mandated top tier. Division II next 36 Division III remainder @ 35. I fully expect there to be a 24 team playoff in each sport with top 8 getting a 1st round bye in all sports.
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Post by btown on Apr 8, 2016 12:25:04 GMT -6
For now LA has the school voucher program, not sure how much longer that will happen. So if a parent of a failing school wants to use the voucher to send their child to a private school (if said private school accepts vouchers) who is the bad person? The school that accepts the student (has to meet academic & discipline standards) or the parent that wants to send their child there? Now the parent can also choose to send their child to a non-failing public school in the Parish they live in. So can the non-failing Public school now be considered select? What about the Parish that only has 1 school that has a football team? I know that Sabine Parish where Many High School is located has a rule that any student in the Parish who wants to play football is allowed to transfer to MHS. This info came from the School Board in Many, so can they be considered select or have people say the recruit athletes from the other schools? This is the school that Mr. Booker who champions the split is the Principal, does this mean that MHS has an inherit advantage over other 2A schools in the state that can't do this? These are just a few questions for the split supporters. I graduated from Many High School and played football there during the 80's. We only made the playoffs 1 time in my 4 years there, our toughest games then were against Winnfield & Jonesboro-Hodge (both public). I am sorry to the rest of the state that the school where I graduated and played for has brought this on us. Many's principal is not the only one the is responsible. There were many other school principals that worked with him on this, just happen to have his name on it. Second, Many principal only has one vote so in has brouht nothing on you, do not know where us comes from. The vote showed that the majority of the principals supported the split, so I am wondering why are apologizing for Many's principal. As for as Many being a select school, can they deny admittance to any of the kids that want to go to their school for football? If no, which I believe is the answer, no they are not select.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 8, 2016 12:51:13 GMT -6
For now LA has the school voucher program, not sure how much longer that will happen. So if a parent of a failing school wants to use the voucher to send their child to a private school (if said private school accepts vouchers) who is the bad person? The school that accepts the student (has to meet academic & discipline standards) or the parent that wants to send their child there? Neither is bad. The parent should be doing what is in their own child's best interest no matter what the bureaucrats tell them, and the school is doing what is best for the child. (Brown vs the board of Education)Now the parent can also choose to send their child to a non-failing public school in the Parish they live in. So can the non-failing Public school now be considered select? Yes, but they will not because it is not politically correct.What about the Parish that only has 1 school that has a football team? I know that Sabine Parish where Many High School is located has a rule that any student in the Parish who wants to play football is allowed to transfer to MHS. This info came from the School Board in Many, so can they be considered select or have people say the recruit athletes from the other schools? This is the school that Mr. Booker who champions the split is the Principal, does this mean that MHS has an inherit advantage over other 2A schools in the state that can't do this? YES, they have an advantage and this will become the norm as more parishes are forced to consolidate high schools or cut programs. Look for Breaux Bridge and Cecilia to one day consolidate in St. Martin Parish. You will see more consolidation in Acadia and Jeff Davis parish as well. Consolidations of Rayne and Church Point, then Crowley, Iota and Midland put together in Acadia and in Jeff Davis Hathaway and Elton will be combined, Welsh and Lacasinne combined. It's coming. Every parish will be forced to move to consolidated schools except the major population centers and they will have to figure out were to cut and what schools to just close down. Hint: Northside Lafayette. St. Landry has already done some consolidation as has Pointe Coupee and other parishes. Much more in the northern part of the state.These are just a few questions for the split supporters. I graduated from Many High School and played football there during the 80's. We only made the playoffs 1 time in my 4 years there, our toughest games then were against Winnfield & Jonesboro-Hodge (both public). I am sorry to the rest of the state that the school where I graduated and played for has brought this on us.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 13:00:00 GMT -6
For now LA has the school voucher program, not sure how much longer that will happen. So if a parent of a failing school wants to use the voucher to send their child to a private school (if said private school accepts vouchers) who is the bad person? The school that accepts the student (has to meet academic & discipline standards) or the parent that wants to send their child there? Now the parent can also choose to send their child to a non-failing public school in the Parish they live in. So can the non-failing Public school now be considered select? What about the Parish that only has 1 school that has a football team? I know that Sabine Parish where Many High School is located has a rule that any student in the Parish who wants to play football is allowed to transfer to MHS. This info came from the School Board in Many, so can they be considered select or have people say the recruit athletes from the other schools? This is the school that Mr. Booker who champions the split is the Principal, does this mean that MHS has an inherit advantage over other 2A schools in the state that can't do this? These are just a few questions for the split supporters. I graduated from Many High School and played football there during the 80's. We only made the playoffs 1 time in my 4 years there, our toughest games then were against Winnfield & Jonesboro-Hodge (both public). I am sorry to the rest of the state that the school where I graduated and played for has brought this on us. Many's principal is not the only one the is responsible. There were many other school principals that worked with him on this, just happen to have his name on it. Second, Many principal only has one vote so in has brouht nothing on you, do not know where us comes from. The vote showed that the majority of the principals supported the split, so I am wondering why are apologizing for Many's principal. As for as Many being a select school, can they deny admittance to any of the kids that want to go to their school for football? If no, which I believe is the answer, no they are not select. But their athlete to student ratio is skewed in favor of athletics. They get to use the best players from those other schools without having to count all the students from those other schools in their enrollment. That's the very definition of select. It would be like Franklin Parish having 4 other schools in their area with no football team. That might drop them down to 1A, but with the ability to pull players from an area with 4A numbers. They would still get to play 1A though due to their enrollment. The only extra students you have to count are the ones that come to play football.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 13:05:37 GMT -6
I like your idea of the auto multiplier but would change to automatically move up 1 class for select schools and then overlay a competition committee that could move up or down a school select or non-select based on success or not. Also allow schools to move up all sports higher than 1 class if they choose to do so. I don't think you will get enough schools interested in the super class to make it a viable option but I could be wrong. Seems like a fair compromise to me. Gentlemen, multipliers have been used, and failed in MANY states. If I have 28 kids in my school, and ALL are big time basketball kids, I am class C, and win multiple Class C statechampionships even though I am MISERABLY coached. (see New Living Word) Whats my mulitplier gonna be to equate my competition? 20.0? That's why you have to include a success factor as well as adjust enrollment by athletic budget. You rail against one thing that didn't work instead of trying to find ways to improve it. Just shows you have no desire at all to rectify the injustice that is inherent in the split playoff system.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 8, 2016 13:08:26 GMT -6
Btown
Mr. Booker may not have been the only one, but he was the one or one of his reps who was travelling to all of the area meetings before the winter meeting.
Us--as in the players, parents, or fans of LA High School football. The fight between the select/non-select supporters.
MHS may not be able to deny any student, but isn't it an inherit advantage to be able to have a student from anywhere in the Parish who wants to play football to be able to go to MHS over schools that only get kids from a zone? Recruited or not?
I was in school & played football with both Mr. Booker and Coach Curtis and talk to both regularly we have agreed to disagree on the split playoff format.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 8, 2016 13:42:00 GMT -6
For now LA has the school voucher program, not sure how much longer that will happen. So if a parent of a failing school wants to use the voucher to send their child to a private school (if said private school accepts vouchers) who is the bad person? The school that accepts the student (has to meet academic & discipline standards) or the parent that wants to send their child there? Now the parent can also choose to send their child to a non-failing public school in the Parish they live in. So can the non-failing Public school now be considered select? What about the Parish that only has 1 school that has a football team? I know that Sabine Parish where Many High School is located has a rule that any student in the Parish who wants to play football is allowed to transfer to MHS. This info came from the School Board in Many, so can they be considered select or have people say the recruit athletes from the other schools? This is the school that Mr. Booker who champions the split is the Principal, does this mean that MHS has an inherit advantage over other 2A schools in the state that can't do this? These are just a few questions for the split supporters. I graduated from Many High School and played football there during the 80's. We only made the playoffs 1 time in my 4 years there, our toughest games then were against Winnfield & Jonesboro-Hodge (both public). I am sorry to the rest of the state that the school where I graduated and played for has brought this on us. Many's principal is not the only one the is responsible. There were many other school principals that worked with him on this, just happen to have his name on it. Second, Many principal only has one vote so in has brouht nothing on you, do not know where us comes from. The vote showed that the majority of the principals supported the split, so I am wondering why are apologizing for Many's principal. As for as Many being a select school, can they deny admittance to any of the kids that want to go to their school for football? If no, which I believe is the answer, no they are not select. But this is NOT the definition of a select school. By definition there is NO SUCH THING as a SELECT school in the LHSAA. SEE Article 8. The classifications are only C through 5A. There is no Classification called DIV I, II or III. There is no such thing as a "SELECT" member of the LHSAA. All memberships are the same public and private. So by its own actions the LHSAA Principals have voted to nullify said bylaws and constitution. Plus there are numerous issues within the football section of the bylaws that invalidate the constitution specifically section 14.3 1 through 4. Many (and the Sabine Parish school board as well as other parishes with similar rules) have violated if not the intent of the bylaws and constitution, the heart of the constitution when they allow "SELECTED" admission into Many High for "specific" athletic purposes. Clearly the move to Many high is selective as it restricts "non-football" playing students from the same transfer opportunity. So the answer is YES, they can deny admissions for, specifically, non football athletes and students in general. Many High most definitly should be a "Select" school by your definition of "Select". They say no to EVERY other student in Sabine Parish.
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Post by fridaynights on Apr 8, 2016 16:26:18 GMT -6
If you have 25 percent of students outside of your school zone you are considered a select school. Many has zero players outside of their small school zone, every single player is from within their school zone. If MHS had 25 percent outside the zone we would gladly go int select. Won't ever happen.
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Post by btown on Apr 8, 2016 20:18:57 GMT -6
Why do people continue to hate the split. No School in LHSAA is denied what any other schools in LHSAA can get or accomplish. Every school can compete for a state championship.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 9, 2016 11:03:53 GMT -6
Why do people continue to hate the split. No School in LHSAA is denied what any other schools in LHSAA can get or accomplish. Every school can compete for a state championship. because some of us are in situations where we don't understand why it was a viable option... so some schools get kids from more different areas than others. life ain't fair and neither should be high school football. are we gonna start future select-nonselect games with a 14-0 handicap at the opening kickoff? the bottom line is this is a socialistic thing pushed by socialists in an avenue where socialism should be kept out. i'll support it economically and i will vote for Bernie if he makes it that far, but i draw a line at other areas of life
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Post by eag on Apr 9, 2016 23:52:19 GMT -6
We can also do other things than just splitting if we are interested in reaching a meaningful compromise that ensures fair competition for all schools.[/quote][b
Exactly. There just isn't any desire to actually work to a solution that attacks the problem directly. The public schools are so elated to be rid of JC,e, etc that they just don't care at all that there are still schools that are unable to compete with those being forced to do so. They scream about fairness but don't care about fairness outside their own walls
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 9:20:52 GMT -6
Why do people continue to hate the split. No School in LHSAA is denied what any other schools in LHSAA can get or accomplish. Every school can compete for a state championship. Sometimes people don't like having things jammed down their throat. Is every American Happy with care? Is every country happy with the Iran Nuclear deal? Are you happy with all decisions that are made for you by your local or state government? If you're not, you can voice your opinion. You keep saying the majority voted, the majority decided and on and on. Their had to be some majority that selected Bonine to be head of the LHSAA. You cry about him enough. Don't forget Bobby Jindal got the majority vote, TWICE.
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Post by btown on Apr 10, 2016 10:40:48 GMT -6
Why do people continue to hate the split. No School in LHSAA is denied what any other schools in LHSAA can get or accomplish. Every school can compete for a state championship. Sometimes people don't like having things jammed down their throat. Is every American Happy with care? Is every country happy with the Iran Nuclear deal? Are you happy with all decisions that are made for you by your local or state government? If you're not, you can voice your opinion. You keep saying the majority voted, the majority decided and on and on. Their had to be some majority that selected Bonine to be head of the LHSAA. You cry about him enough. Don't forget Bobby Jindal got the majority vote, TWICE. But again no one side is getting more or something that the other side is getting. Every school can still compete for a State Championship and the kids that win them do not care if it is from playing a select bracket or a non select bracket. Only people that care are the adults.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 10, 2016 13:12:33 GMT -6
Sometimes people don't like having things jammed down their throat. Is every American Happy with care? Is every country happy with the Iran Nuclear deal? Are you happy with all decisions that are made for you by your local or state government? If you're not, you can voice your opinion. You keep saying the majority voted, the majority decided and on and on. Their had to be some majority that selected Bonine to be head of the LHSAA. You cry about him enough. Don't forget Bobby Jindal got the majority vote, TWICE. But again no one side is getting more or something that the other side is getting. Every school can still compete for a State Championship and the kids that win them do not care if it is from playing a select bracket or a non select bracket. Only people that care are the adults. the kids aren't that naive... they know one division has 10 teams to go through to win state and the other has 50...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:50:49 GMT -6
Sometimes people don't like having things jammed down their throat. Is every American Happy with care? Is every country happy with the Iran Nuclear deal? Are you happy with all decisions that are made for you by your local or state government? If you're not, you can voice your opinion. You keep saying the majority voted, the majority decided and on and on. Their had to be some majority that selected Bonine to be head of the LHSAA. You cry about him enough. Don't forget Bobby Jindal got the majority vote, TWICE. But again no one side is getting more or something that the other side is getting. Every school can still compete for a State Championship and the kids that win them do not care if it is from playing a select bracket or a non select bracket. Only people that care are the adults. This is typical of you. Its alright for you to come on here and blame Bonine for ills that were put into place long before he got here. Its alright for you to complain about him because you don't like the job he does, but if private schools supporters don't agree with the split they should just be quiet and keep their comments to themselves. Yes every school competes for a state title. How many public schools have to have bye weeks with no games? How about for the next two years we let the the public schools start their championship games on Thursday morning? Its only FAIR (you seem to like that word) that they rotate the schedule. Since the private schools did it the last two years how about the next two years public schools take that time slot? AND yes only the adults care because that's whose making the decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 20:55:17 GMT -6
But again no one side is getting more or something that the other side is getting. Every school can still compete for a State Championship and the kids that win them do not care if it is from playing a select bracket or a non select bracket. Only people that care are the adults. This is typical of you. Its alright for you to come on here and blame Bonine for ills that were put into place long before he got here. Its alright for you to complain about him because you don't like the job he does, but if private schools supporters don't agree with the split they should just be quiet and keep their comments to themselves. Yes every school competes for a state title. How many public schools have to have bye weeks with no games? How about for the next two years we let the the public schools start their championship games on Thursday morning? Its only FAIR (you seem to like that word) that they rotate the schedule. Since the private schools did it the last two years how about the next two years public schools take that time slot? AND yes only the adults care because that's whose making the decisions. So the split isn't a problem? Just the fact that selects have a bye week and play on Thursday? Cause that sounds like an easy fix.
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Post by btown on Apr 11, 2016 6:55:38 GMT -6
This is typical of you. Its alright for you to come on here and blame Bonine for ills that were put into place long before he got here. Its alright for you to complain about him because you don't like the job he does, but if private schools supporters don't agree with the split they should just be quiet and keep their comments to themselves. Yes every school competes for a state title. How many public schools have to have bye weeks with no games? How about for the next two years we let the the public schools start their championship games on Thursday morning? Its only FAIR (you seem to like that word) that they rotate the schedule. Since the private schools did it the last two years how about the next two years public schools take that time slot? AND yes only the adults care because that's whose making the decisions. So the split isn't a problem? Just the fact that selects have a bye week and play on Thursday? Cause that sounds like an easy fix. Yes, very easy fix. Already said that all brackets should be 16 team brackets. Yes LHSAA needs to do some figuring to balance brackets. As for as time of games, the school I supports as been to the Dome since the split and all I can tell you is they could have scheduled our team to play 8am Monday morning and our fans would still be there.
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Post by eag on Apr 11, 2016 7:43:02 GMT -6
Why do people continue to hate the split. No School in LHSAA is denied what any other schools in LHSAA can get or accomplish. Every school can compete for a state championship. Look at the divisions. The private schools play in relatively small groups and if you look critically you can see that there will be very little shifting within the bracket from year to year. It takes a lot of the mystique out of the playoffs when they basically become like district games where you play the same teams year after year. There is way too much focus on the 'championship' part in your statement. By that logic we could have a division with only 2 schools and they should be happy. I want to see kids playing new teams in new areas in playoffs, to see new places and have new experiences in the playoffs. The current system is NOT the same
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 9:08:00 GMT -6
So the split isn't a problem? Just the fact that selects have a bye week and play on Thursday? Cause that sounds like an easy fix. Yes, very easy fix. Already said that all brackets should be 16 team brackets. Yes LHSAA needs to do some figuring to balance brackets. As for as time of games, the school I supports as been to the Dome since the split and all I can tell you is they could have scheduled our team to play 8am Monday morning and our fans would still be there. You keep saying the same thing over and over, even when we have shown and it has been demonstrated by how the LHSAA has treated the select schools that it is not equal. The championships are not even or properly scheduled at the expense of one supposedly equal member of the organization. If the schools are all equal members with all the same rights and privileges of the whole, then there would be no need for separate championships. Just by this fact, against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA, the majority has discriminated against the minority and thus violate their own rule. This is why direct democracy does not work. This is why Venezuala, Argentian and most central american countries are in the state they are in. They call them Banana Republics, but they are really directly democratic. When the majority realizes they can just vote in their will, with little to no consideration for the whole it all collapses on itself and falls into corruption and failure. The NCAA is not structured this way, neither is the NAIA, nor the NFL or our governments . But the LHSAA must either be completely revamped or be given over to total anarchy. Today anarchy reigns and the rebellion has begun.
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Post by General Grant on Apr 11, 2016 9:57:41 GMT -6
Yes, very easy fix. Already said that all brackets should be 16 team brackets. Yes LHSAA needs to do some figuring to balance brackets. As for as time of games, the school I supports as been to the Dome since the split and all I can tell you is they could have scheduled our team to play 8am Monday morning and our fans would still be there. You keep saying the same thing over and over, even when we have shown and it has been demonstrated by how the LHSAA has treated the select schools that it is not equal. The championships are not even or properly scheduled at the expense of one supposedly equal member of the organization. If the schools are all equal members with all the same rights and privileges of the whole, then there would be no need for separate championships. Just by this fact, against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA, the majority has discriminated against the minority and thus violate their own rule. This is why direct democracy does not work. This is why Venezuala, Argentian and most central american countries are in the state they are in. They call them Banana Republics, but they are really directly democratic. When the majority realizes they can just vote in their will, with little to no consideration for the whole it all collapses on itself and falls into corruption and failure. The NCAA is not structured this way, neither is the NAIA, nor the NFL or our governments . But the LHSAA must either be completely revamped or be given over to total anarchy. Today anarchy reigns and the rebellion has begun. I agree. You should rebel. Form your own association and CYA. See how that works out for ya!
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 12:02:39 GMT -6
You keep saying the same thing over and over, even when we have shown and it has been demonstrated by how the LHSAA has treated the select schools that it is not equal. The championships are not even or properly scheduled at the expense of one supposedly equal member of the organization. If the schools are all equal members with all the same rights and privileges of the whole, then there would be no need for separate championships. Just by this fact, against the bylaws and constitution of the LHSAA, the majority has discriminated against the minority and thus violate their own rule. This is why direct democracy does not work. This is why Venezuala, Argentian and most central american countries are in the state they are in. They call them Banana Republics, but they are really directly democratic. When the majority realizes they can just vote in their will, with little to no consideration for the whole it all collapses on itself and falls into corruption and failure. The NCAA is not structured this way, neither is the NAIA, nor the NFL or our governments . But the LHSAA must either be completely revamped or be given over to total anarchy. Today anarchy reigns and the rebellion has begun. I agree. You should rebel. Form your own association and CYA. See how that works out for ya! It's in the works. At least with the new organization, all schools will be on the same foot.
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Post by Lipscomb on Apr 11, 2016 12:24:50 GMT -6
I agree. You should rebel. Form your own association and CYA. See how that works out for ya! It's in the works. At least with the new organization, all schools will be on the same foot. "All schools will be on the same foot" 1) That foot ought to be sore 2) It there is a new association, what changed? 3) Buh-Bye
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Post by Raven on Apr 11, 2016 12:32:30 GMT -6
It's in the works. At least with the new organization, all schools will be on the same foot. "All schools will be on the same foot" 1) That foot ought to be sore 2) It there is a new association, what changed? 3) Buh-Bye Another classy post brought to you by some guy who supports the split but still wants to poke fun at private schools for wanting to form their own association. It must really bug you if you keep going on about it. Admit it, you know you'll miss us.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 12:38:44 GMT -6
This whole mess is due to unintended consequences. 5A schools got tired of seeing Evangel vs W. Monroe, in some very competitive games, so they sent e down to its school size class 1A. The schools most vocal in that move were all North LA schools. 4A JC which was competitive got demoted to 2A. This sent the 1A and 2A schools into hate mode, misplaced hate mode. Instead of being agree at the 5A schools that through them under the bus so to speak. They struck out against all private schools. It became an unintended consequence, because the intention was to reduce the favored status as a 5A champion that e held. But truth being truth, the greatest pull from e was Calvary Baptist and the rise of Byrd. JC last state championship was 3 years ago. e, even longer than that. Now we have a total split in all sports. Unless a compromise is accepted, the unintended consequence will be that the LHSAA will lose over 1/3 of its schools. That means, no more Superdome championships and a loss of revenue and status. The most important part is the loss of revenue. What business, and the LHSAA is a business, can have it's revenue cut by 1/3 and maintain viability? There will have to be drastic cuts in salaries, number of employees and expenses. Let me put this into light. Take your take home pay, multiply it by .666 and then see if you can pay your bills as the currently exist. Something will have to go. While the LHSAA will remain as an organization, it will be a shadow of its current self. Whole sports will have to be cut as sanctioned or there will dramatic increases in fees. You can look for the LHSAA to be forced into grabbing a larger portion of all gates. Possible sport cuts (my opinion) would include as a sanctioned sport: Swimming, Indoor Track, Bowling, Tennis, Golf and possibly Volleyball and baseball. In all of these sports, except Baseball, the select schools make up almost 50% of the schools that offer the sport. And if you have hopes of Field Hockey or LaCrosse as becoming a sanctioned sport it will be out of reason. These will all be offered by the new association. If you lose 1/3 of your schools, you lose 1/3 of your expenses. Math, its wonderful. As far as the Superdome, I just bet everyone would be 100% fine with playing Championships Home/Away. We dont play in the Pels areas for basketball, or a Pro field for Baseball or softball......works out just fine. NO, the expense ratio is not one to one. A common error for those who do not understand basic accounting. Revenue to Expense is not a one to one ratio even in a non-profit organization. It is not a zero sum game. If you lose 1/3 of your revenue, your expense still remain at the same level. Your rent, electricity, salaries and other overhead do not drop just because revenue decreases. This is basic accounting and the idea that losing 1/3 of your revenue is no big deal shows a lack of understanding. Even a non profit has to show a "surplus" to be viable. The LHSAA will be strapped with existing contracts and other operational expense that will have to be reduced or dropped mainly by reducing the number of sports it offers to the members and will more than likely have to let people go or move to more affordable facilities. The most flexible expense item any business has, is salary expense.
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