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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:00:52 GMT -6
According to the Advocate:
New plan is to reunite 4A and 5A in all sports and use metro/rural plan for 1A-3A. School Relations Committee is still discussing.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:07:52 GMT -6
Keep in mind this just an alternative plan and has not yet been voted on by the committee.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:15:29 GMT -6
Following tweet updates from Robin Fambrough at the meeting:
Todd Guice supports School Relations Committee plan, but says committee should not overturn split vote. He suggests they call special meeting.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:16:45 GMT -6
St. Thomas More Principal Richard Lavernge also says the School Relations plan should get a shot
Pickering's Hub Jordan says he still doesn't like football component of SRC plan
Hodges recommends a June special meeting if one is voted on. He wants principals to see issues with split plan.
Checking on a text from Norman Booker and it says he wanted to work on what would work best. See bob, even Booker is capable of at least looking at something different.
Committee approves a special meeting by an 11-10 vote. to happen possibly in June.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 11:26:49 GMT -6
The funny thing is this exposed the mularky (yes I used mularky) spewed by anti-split people. Its NOT about the split at all, its about HOW we are split!!
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Post by pinion on Apr 14, 2016 11:29:48 GMT -6
The funny thing is this exposed the mularky (yes I used mularky) spewed by anti-split people. Its NOT about the split at all, its about HOW we are split!! Probably so. Due to people like you. You will not compromise at all. So someone has to be the adult and try to FIX things because it goes completely sideways. There are actually people out there that want what's best for HS sports in this state, rather than how hurt your butt is because your team got facerolled by a private school.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:31:48 GMT -6
I get that compromise is not something that you can wrap your head around, but at least try.
The people against the split are still against it. Any kind of split. The people that want the split are still for it.
Both sides have to come to an agreement in a compromise. That's kind of how it works...
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Post by LivingstonNerd on Apr 14, 2016 11:45:54 GMT -6
I would be willing to give this a try. It's better than having every single sport just split. If this were to happen, they would need to reclassify every school immediately. Combining all of 5A and 4A without raising the minimum attendance for them would cause too many schools to be put in that one classification. Everyone from Crowley up would be in this new classification.
They would need to make it to where something like schools with 850+ students would be in this new classification instead of 650+. Then 3A could be something like 550-849 Students; and 2A could be 350-549; and 1A could be less than 349 students.
Obviously those aren't the best numbers to go by, but population requirements would have to change to balance out the schools in the event of a loss of Class 5A.
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Post by btown on Apr 14, 2016 11:48:05 GMT -6
I get that compromise is not something that you can wrap your head around, but at least try. The people against the split are still against it. Any kind of split. The people that want the split are still for it. Both sides have to come to an agreement in a compromise. That's kind of how it works... Cannot compromise until the other side recognizes the other sides issues. Also remember perception is 100% reality.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:52:09 GMT -6
I get that compromise is not something that you can wrap your head around, but at least try. The people against the split are still against it. Any kind of split. The people that want the split are still for it. Both sides have to come to an agreement in a compromise. That's kind of how it works... Cannot compromise until the other side recognizes the other sides issues. Also remember perception is 100% reality. We agree again. This is a monumental day.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 11:54:46 GMT -6
I would be willing to give this a try. It's better than having every single sport just split. If this were to happen, they would need to reclassify every school immediately. Combining all of 5A and 4A without raising the minimum attendance for them would cause too many schools to be put in that one classification. Everyone from Crowley up would be in this new classification. They would need to make it to where something like schools with 850+ students would be in this new classification instead of 650+. Then 3A could be something like 550-849 Students; and 2A could be 350-549; and 1A could be less than 349 students. Obviously those aren't the best numbers to go by, but population requirements would have to change to balance out the schools in the event of a loss of Class 5A. LN, maybe that was my mistake. I did not mean that 4A and 5A would be combined. Rather that those classes would no longer have a split playoffs. There would still be a 4A class and a 5A class. It would go back to how it was before the split.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:17:55 GMT -6
I get that compromise is not something that you can wrap your head around, but at least try. The people against the split are still against it. Any kind of split. The people that want the split are still for it. Both sides have to come to an agreement in a compromise. That's kind of how it works... Cannot compromise until the other side recognizes the other sides issues. Also remember perception is 100% reality. No, reality is reality. Bruce Jenner percieves himself a woman...............not reality
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:18:44 GMT -6
The funny thing is this exposed the mularky (yes I used mularky) spewed by anti-split people. Its NOT about the split at all, its about HOW we are split!! Probably so. Due to people like you. You will not compromise at all. So someone has to be the adult and try to FIX things because it goes completely sideways. There are actually people out there that want what's best for HS sports in this state, rather than how hurt your butt is because your team got facerolled by a private school. The original plan (which will stand in another vote) IS the compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 12:19:26 GMT -6
This is not now, nor ever has been about a "split". Its about HOW we are split. Urban/Rural is a split..........but why such the warm reception for it???
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Post by eag on Apr 14, 2016 12:51:28 GMT -6
The funny thing is this exposed the mularky (yes I used mularky) spewed by anti-split people. Its NOT about the split at all, its about HOW we are split!! Sometime I wonder about how people think.... I am a split opponent. I do not personally believe a split is necessary, and TBH don't care if JC wins every state championship until eternity. BUT, I accept your point that something needs to happen to rectify the imbalances. I accept it EVEN THOUGH I DONT PERSONALLY BELIEVE IT. Now it is split proponents turn to say, OK we want something done, but we get your issue. So let's fix it. You know, as partners in an organization. So, yes, your statement is correct. If I'm going to live with a split I don't really feel the need for, it then very much becomes about how it is split and who has to play who. No mularkey at all. If you think Many needs to be separated from OCS or Calvary, I'll accept that. Now, time for you to accept that Ecole Classique doesn't need to be playing those schools either.
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Post by btown on Apr 14, 2016 13:00:23 GMT -6
This is not now, nor ever has been about a "split". Its about HOW we are split. Urban/Rural is a split..........but why such the warm reception for it??? Because it is like the Republican and Democrats, if it is a Republican idea no matter what the Democrats hate it, if it is a Democrat idea the Republican hate it. No one wants to sit down and see that other side issues are and until they do they will never come up with a plan that works for everyone. I am a big supporter for the split but I do understand that there are private schools that will never be able to compete on the select side and there are public schools that belong on the select side.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 13:07:18 GMT -6
This is not now, nor ever has been about a "split". Its about HOW we are split. Urban/Rural is a split..........but why such the warm reception for it??? The warm reception was obviously in your own mind. I will say it again for you since you didn't comprehend the first time. The people who are against the split are still against the split. Nothing has changed. The people for the split are still for it. Nothing has changed there either. 4A and 5A schools wanted to end the split. The LHSAA risked losing many of biggest schools to a new association. They come back together. 2A schools still want a split. There will still be a split, just a different kind of split. And yes, it's called compromise. No one is happy, but it's something we can live with until a better solution comes along.
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Post by btown on Apr 14, 2016 13:27:29 GMT -6
This is not now, nor ever has been about a "split". Its about HOW we are split. Urban/Rural is a split..........but why such the warm reception for it??? The warm reception was obviously in your own mind. I will say it again for you since you didn't comprehend the first time. The people who are against the split are still against the split. Nothing has changed. The people for the split are still for it. Nothing has changed there either. 4A and 5A schools wanted to end the split. The LHSAA risked losing many of biggest schools to a new association. They come back together. 2A schools still want a split. There will still be a split, just a different kind of split. And yes, it's called compromise. No one is happy, but it's something we can live with until a better solution comes along. What would be a different kind of split?
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 13:53:53 GMT -6
The warm reception was obviously in your own mind. I will say it again for you since you didn't comprehend the first time. The people who are against the split are still against the split. Nothing has changed. The people for the split are still for it. Nothing has changed there either. 4A and 5A schools wanted to end the split. The LHSAA risked losing many of biggest schools to a new association. They come back together. 2A schools still want a split. There will still be a split, just a different kind of split. And yes, it's called compromise. No one is happy, but it's something we can live with until a better solution comes along. What would be a different kind of split? btown, I'm referring to the proposed rural/metro split in classes 1A-3A. It's not an ideal solution, not even a real solution in my opinion. Ideally, we should be working on a way to bring all schools back together. Using some system to move teams up or down in class. Whether it's a multiplier or a committee or something none of us has yet though of... Rural/metro is still a split, but it is somewhat more palatable (at least in my opinion) than the select/non-select split. It gets the powerhouse metro programs away from the rural 1A and 2A public school programs, while at the same time allows the small rural private schools to continue competing against the public schools in their district and classification which they have had years of rivalries with. Not an ideal situation by any means, but one that I think we can use to bridge the gap to making the association whole again.
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Post by btown on Apr 14, 2016 14:01:31 GMT -6
What would be a different kind of split? btown, I'm referring to the proposed rural/metro split in classes 1A-3A. It's not an ideal solution, not even a real solution in my opinion. Ideally, we should be working on a way to bring all schools back together. Using some system to move teams up or down in class. Whether it's a multiplier or a committee or something none of us has yet though of... Rural/metro is still a split, but it is somewhat more palatable (at least in my opinion) than the select/non-select split. It gets the powerhouse metro programs away from the rural 1A and 2A public school programs, while at the same time allows the small rural private schools to continue competing against the public schools in their district and classification which they have had years of rivalries with. Not an ideal situation by any means, but one that I think we can use to bridge the gap to making the association whole again. Raven This question is just for you, Isn't there some powerhouse private schools that fall into the rural group and does that benefit them? Again I still think we get into schools that meet the definition of rural but are really metro schools. People took shots at Booker for his idea of select/non select but does this help Notre Dame and was this idea Notre Dame's Head Coaches idea?
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Post by gentlemanjack on Apr 14, 2016 14:03:34 GMT -6
Cannot compromise until the other side recognizes the other sides issues. Also remember perception is 100% reality. No, reality is reality. Bruce Jenner percieves himself a woman...............not reality It is reality that Bruce Jenner perceives himself as a woman. It is reality that he is not female. There is a difference which is why a polygraph is not admissible evidence in court.
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Post by me3 on Apr 14, 2016 14:15:38 GMT -6
I think it might work if schools are still allowed to jump up into larger classifications. Otherwise, A couple powerhouse small schools will still dominate their respective rural/metro division. I dont see how this is any different than pushing the powerhouses down 1 and 2A like had been done previously. The only difference is you further divide the small schools and isolate the problem to a smaller group of "unlucky" schools.
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Post by LivingstonNerd on Apr 14, 2016 14:28:42 GMT -6
I would be willing to give this a try. It's better than having every single sport just split. If this were to happen, they would need to reclassify every school immediately. Combining all of 5A and 4A without raising the minimum attendance for them would cause too many schools to be put in that one classification. Everyone from Crowley up would be in this new classification. They would need to make it to where something like schools with 850+ students would be in this new classification instead of 650+. Then 3A could be something like 550-849 Students; and 2A could be 350-549; and 1A could be less than 349 students. Obviously those aren't the best numbers to go by, but population requirements would have to change to balance out the schools in the event of a loss of Class 5A. LN, maybe that was my mistake. I did not mean that 4A and 5A would be combined. Rather that those classes would no longer have a split playoffs. There would still be a 4A class and a 5A class. It would go back to how it was before the split. Ah, now it makes more sense. Sorry, I did misunderstand what you were saying. Still sounds good to me.
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 14, 2016 15:20:16 GMT -6
Chametteowl should be the happiest guy on here now.
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Post by Raven on Apr 14, 2016 16:04:59 GMT -6
btown, I'm referring to the proposed rural/metro split in classes 1A-3A. It's not an ideal solution, not even a real solution in my opinion. Ideally, we should be working on a way to bring all schools back together. Using some system to move teams up or down in class. Whether it's a multiplier or a committee or something none of us has yet though of... Rural/metro is still a split, but it is somewhat more palatable (at least in my opinion) than the select/non-select split. It gets the powerhouse metro programs away from the rural 1A and 2A public school programs, while at the same time allows the small rural private schools to continue competing against the public schools in their district and classification which they have had years of rivalries with. Not an ideal situation by any means, but one that I think we can use to bridge the gap to making the association whole again. Raven This question is just for you, Isn't there some powerhouse private schools that fall into the rural group and does that benefit them? Again I still think we get into schools that meet the definition of rural but are really metro schools. People took shots at Booker for his idea of select/non select but does this help Notre Dame and was this idea Notre Dame's Head Coaches idea? You know those answers, btown. yes, Coach Cook of Notre Dame (or someone on his staff) initially came up with this idea. And yes, it would seem to benefit them by removing some schools who they may have had to compete against. Calvary in 2A. U-High, Parkview Baptist and Redemptorist (now no longer with us) in 3A. It is debatable to call Notre Dame a football powerhouse though. Are they consistently good? Yes, but how many titles have they won? 3 maybe since they started football in the late 60's? Honestly I don't know... How much success did they have before Coach Cook came along? For most of the time they were in 3A they would routinely get beat by rural teams like Amite, Patterson and Lutcher. So it's not like they just came out of no where and started kicking everyone's butt on the football field like ECA did in the 90's or like Calvary is doing now. Even John Curtis took a few years to really get that program going back in the 70's. I am not a ND fan. I've never been to the school, and I don't know anyone associated with the school. My sphere of experience is 90% rooted in 1A schools in and around the Baton Rouge area. All I can tell you is what I have heard and what I remember of previous years following high school football in Louisiana, which admittedly, only goes back to the mid 80's locally and only since the late 90's state wide when I initially started reading and posting on the old k e n r a m s e y boards. But getting back to your initial question, I think you answered it best a few months ago when we were discussing the split issue. You made the comment that you supported the split because "something had to be done". I'm paraphrasing of course, but I believe that was your sentiment. I view the metro/rural split as just that. Something had to be done, so they went with that idea. I'm not necessarily advocating for that plan, I want to see an association back together, with amended rules that allow for teams to be moved up or down in class. The criteria used for moving teams can be hashed out over time and a method for doing so that is agreeable to both public and private schools can and should be found. I maintain that if there must be a split, metro/rural makes more sense to me than public/private. But again, that is just my opinion. In the classification that I follow (1A) it would not likely have made any difference in the playoffs last year. Haynesville and Kentwood are both rural schools so neither one would have had to play Southern Lab in the finals. I don't think any of the rural private schools would have come close to beating either of them. Vermilion Catholic might have kept it close for a while, but they were about the only ones who could have.
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Post by btown on Apr 14, 2016 18:53:34 GMT -6
I agree Notre Dame has not always be a powerhouse, but this would set them up to be one. So we would go from Mr. Booker's plan, that people suggested benefited his program, to Coach Cook's plan that people believe benefit his program. Do not think this will bring people back together, just moves the shoe to the other foot.
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Post by bigred4 on Apr 14, 2016 20:32:35 GMT -6
I've been to ND's football stadium and that's not what I would call rural by any stretch. My question is this : what happens when a metro area expands and a school that might once have been outside the 9.5 miles (or whatever it is) now is inside ? Do they switch from rural to metro? I think about North Desoto. I think I heard they would be classified rural. They are roughly 10 miles from Shreveport city limits. They are in a booming area. Pretty soon it'll probably all run together from SW Shreveport to Stonewall. That doesn't sound very rural to me. Lots of people move there to send their kids to school there. That shouldn't be classified as rural.
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Post by fridaynights on Apr 14, 2016 21:13:01 GMT -6
Notre Dame will be metro in the plan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 21:39:51 GMT -6
Notre Dame will be metro in the plan Is there any reason to believe the principals pass this? I think it MIGHT pass if they didn't make 1-3A go rural/metro, but I think that s the deal.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 15, 2016 1:14:24 GMT -6
Chametteowl should be the happiest guy on here now. hopefully we're all happy...
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