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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 18, 2016 10:53:20 GMT -6
Does anyone really know what the Principals are voting on? I don't know if they have to put out an agenda or not.
I've heard the split (as it currently is,may or may not "tweak"), metro/rural, and whatever else someone proposes.
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Post by Raven on May 18, 2016 11:03:37 GMT -6
theadvocate.com/sports/latestsports/15821336-172/fambrough-next-pitch-for-lhsaa-comes-at-special-called-meeting-june-8Schools can submit alternate plans for the members to vote on until close of business Thursday. We won't know until then what other options will be available. From the article: The good news for those who want another alternative is they will likely get the chance to vote on one. The LHSAA memo states schools have until the end of business Thursday to submit their alternative plans. It also states that any alternative plans will be sent out to schools as soon as possible.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 18, 2016 12:04:59 GMT -6
theadvocate.com/sports/latestsports/15821336-172/fambrough-next-pitch-for-lhsaa-comes-at-special-called-meeting-june-8Schools can submit alternate plans for the members to vote on until close of business Thursday. We won't know until then what other options will be available. From the article: The good news for those who want another alternative is they will likely get the chance to vote on one. The LHSAA memo states schools have until the end of business Thursday to submit their alternative plans. It also states that any alternative plans will be sent out to schools as soon as possible.
So now that we know that everyone has until end of business Thurs, who is going to talk to the principal of the school they support? I know I will.
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Post by btown on May 18, 2016 13:54:57 GMT -6
theadvocate.com/sports/latestsports/15821336-172/fambrough-next-pitch-for-lhsaa-comes-at-special-called-meeting-june-8Schools can submit alternate plans for the members to vote on until close of business Thursday. We won't know until then what other options will be available. From the article: The good news for those who want another alternative is they will likely get the chance to vote on one. The LHSAA memo states schools have until the end of business Thursday to submit their alternative plans. It also states that any alternative plans will be sent out to schools as soon as possible.
So now that we know that everyone has until end of business Thurs, who is going to talk to the principal of the school they support? I know I will. That is what I like to hear. Does not matter if we agree or disagree on the split, if you want a change get involved. Do not just type on this forum and complain it is not fair.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 18, 2016 14:18:07 GMT -6
So now that we know that everyone has until end of business Thurs, who is going to talk to the principal of the school they support? I know I will. That is what I like to hear. Does not matter if we agree or disagree on the split, if you want a change get involved. Do not just type on this forum and complain it is not fair. I would hope you will talk to your principal as well, that is if you aren't your principal. LOL
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Post by btown on May 18, 2016 14:21:08 GMT -6
That is what I like to hear. Does not matter if we agree or disagree on the split, if you want a change get involved. Do not just type on this forum and complain it is not fair. I would hope you will talk to your principal as well, that is if you aren't your principal. LOL Not a principal, just a parent.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 18, 2016 14:41:19 GMT -6
I would hope you will talk to your principal as well, that is if you aren't your principal. LOL Not a principal, just a parent. Me as well, just trying to add a little humor. Not as good at it as some of the others on here.
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Post by btown on May 18, 2016 20:56:35 GMT -6
Not a principal, just a parent. Me as well, just trying to add a little humor. Not as good at it as some of the others on here. I am a public school dad, but had a parent that was a principal in a private school. One of those small private schools that have had to swim with the sharks on the select side. So I do have good insight to the private side and he has given me insight what happens in some private schools and public schools.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 19, 2016 7:05:59 GMT -6
Me as well, just trying to add a little humor. Not as good at it as some of the others on here. I am a public school dad, but had a parent that was a principal in a private school. One of those small private schools that have had to swim with the sharks on the select side. So I do have good insight to the private side and he has given me insight what happens in some private schools and public schools. Care to share any of your insight? I support a small private school now, more emphasis is put on academics than sports. We haven't won a playoff game since before the split was even an idea, so I know what it's like to swim with the sharks (both "select" & "non-select").
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Post by btown on May 19, 2016 7:14:17 GMT -6
I am a public school dad, but had a parent that was a principal in a private school. One of those small private schools that have had to swim with the sharks on the select side. So I do have good insight to the private side and he has given me insight what happens in some private schools and public schools. Care to share any of your insight? I support a small private school now, more emphasis is put on academics than sports. We haven't won a playoff game since before the split was even an idea, so I know what it's like to swim with the sharks (both "select" & "non-select"). No I do not. It will only turn into more arguing. Just ready for another vote on June 8th and move forward after that. There nothing I can say to make the non split supporters change their mind.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 19, 2016 12:23:28 GMT -6
Care to share any of your insight? I support a small private school now, more emphasis is put on academics than sports. We haven't won a playoff game since before the split was even an idea, so I know what it's like to swim with the sharks (both "select" & "non-select"). No I do not. It will only turn into more arguing. Just ready for another vote on June 8th and move forward after that. There nothing I can say to make the non split supporters change their mind. I am starting to believe that nothing the non split supporters offer as a different approach to come back together will change the split supporters mind either. I will listen to ideas to improve the split, even though I prefer not splitting. The split is here until someone offers a plan that will end it.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 19, 2016 19:42:51 GMT -6
I am a public school dad, but had a parent that was a principal in a private school. One of those small private schools that have had to swim with the sharks on the select side. So I do have good insight to the private side and he has given me insight what happens in some private schools and public schools. Care to share any of your insight? I support a small private school now, more emphasis is put on academics than sports. We haven't won a playoff game since before the split was even an idea, so I know what it's like to swim with the sharks (both "select" & "non-select"). so you know the public schools have certain advantages you don't... namely lack of tuition and guaranteed enrollment... why didn't yall try to make the split yalls idea before the public schools did? if that had been the case i wonder if the jane griffin and norman booker crew would have fought it lol
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 20, 2016 6:59:47 GMT -6
Care to share any of your insight? I support a small private school now, more emphasis is put on academics than sports. We haven't won a playoff game since before the split was even an idea, so I know what it's like to swim with the sharks (both "select" & "non-select"). so you know the public schools have certain advantages you don't... namely lack of tuition and guaranteed enrollment... why didn't yall try to make the split yalls idea before the public schools did? if that had been the case i wonder if the jane griffin and norman booker crew would have fought it lol Never thought of splitting. Sports has always been a part of High School, not the main reason, for me personally. Can't speak for Mrs. Griffin or Mr. Booker if they would have thought it was such a great idea if the private schools had come up with the idea. I hope cooler heads will try to come up with something to either fix what we have now or preferably a way to be 1 association again.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 7:43:18 GMT -6
so you know the public schools have certain advantages you don't... namely lack of tuition and guaranteed enrollment... why didn't yall try to make the split yalls idea before the public schools did? if that had been the case i wonder if the jane griffin and norman booker crew would have fought it lol Never thought of splitting. Sports has always been a part of High School, not the main reason, for me personally. Can't speak for Mrs. Griffin or Mr. Booker if they would have thought it was such a great idea if the private schools had come up with the idea. I hope cooler heads will try to come up with something to either fix what we have now or preferably a way to be 1 association again. The smaller schools that wanted out are in the MAIS.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 20, 2016 7:57:39 GMT -6
Never thought of splitting. Sports has always been a part of High School, not the main reason, for me personally. Can't speak for Mrs. Griffin or Mr. Booker if they would have thought it was such a great idea if the private schools had come up with the idea. I hope cooler heads will try to come up with something to either fix what we have now or preferably a way to be 1 association again. The smaller schools that wanted out are in the MAIS. Very we may be where they went. Do you think if the private schools go to a new association that any of them will follow to it or will they stay in the MAIS?
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Post by iknownuthing on May 20, 2016 9:17:56 GMT -6
The smaller schools that wanted out are in the MAIS. Very we may be where they went. Do you think if the private schools go to a new association that any of them will follow to it or will they stay in the MAIS? See my rant in the new thread. I think having a private schools controlled association will be enticing to the Louisiana private schools currently participating in the MAIS. I believe most of the current Private schools in the LHSAA will move over to the Cooperative and a few Louisiana MAIS schools will move back to a local state organization. I doubt that any private school who is having financial issues will move over to the MAIS due the increase travel costs. Maybe one or two in N. LA.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 23, 2016 8:53:25 GMT -6
Has anyone heard when the agenda will be out? and Will it be made public or just sent to the schools?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 9:45:57 GMT -6
I'm guessing Bonine will try to be sneaky, that seems like his MO. No agenda until everyone shows up.
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Post by btown on May 23, 2016 9:53:07 GMT -6
I'm guessing Bonine will try to be sneaky, that seems like his MO. No agenda until everyone shows up. And they want everyone to work together. Shows lots of trust.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on May 23, 2016 10:13:37 GMT -6
I'm guessing Bonine will try to be sneaky, that seems like his MO. No agenda until everyone shows up. And they want everyone to work together. Shows lots of trust. That's why I was asking if anyone knew if agenda was out or not and if it would be shared with the public or just principal's. I am hoping that it gets out soon rather than later so at least everyone know's what they are voting on so they can do their research and vote for the best plan, no matter what it is.
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Post by btown on May 23, 2016 10:20:30 GMT -6
And they want everyone to work together. Shows lots of trust. That's why I was asking if anyone knew if agenda was out or not and if it would be shared with the public or just principal's. I am hoping that it gets out soon rather than later so at least everyone know's what they are voting on so they can do their research and vote for the best plan, no matter what it is. Bonine's plan at every turn has been to blind side people.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 18:36:22 GMT -6
That's why I was asking if anyone knew if agenda was out or not and if it would be shared with the public or just principal's. I am hoping that it gets out soon rather than later so at least everyone know's what they are voting on so they can do their research and vote for the best plan, no matter what it is. Bonine's plan at every turn has been to blind side people. [br I'm sure he'll be at his old tricks again soon. He's not smart enough to create a plan that will be good for all.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 19:39:00 GMT -6
It's not really his job to come up with the plan. He just needs to do what the principals tell him to do. He works for them, but he seems to forget that.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 23, 2016 20:34:46 GMT -6
It's not really his job to come up with the plan. He just needs to do what the principals tell him to do. He works for them, but he seems to forget that. Really, this is the kind of thinking that has the public schools and the LHSAA in a shambles. He does not work for the principals. He works for the LHSAA. The principals are only the voting representative of the member schools. The LHSAA is autonomous and exist outside of the control of the principals except that they get to "approve" agenda items as presented to them through a committee per the constitution. (one of the issues with the initial split, it should have never been allowed to hit the floor by the executive committee). The principals have NO authority to hire or fire ANY employee of the LHSAA. Heck some can't even hire or fire their own teachers without the school board HR department's consent. Kind of like telling the Police Officer that he can't give you a ticket because you pay his salary, he works for you. Down right ic on that issue and you could end up in confinement. All members of the LHSAA have joined voluntarily and as a private organization, they cannot make unilateral decisions. But what the public school people want is complete control over the LHSAA and to discriminate against a class of members even though they are suppose to be equal, in good standing with organization.. That fascist socialist tyranny thingy.
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Post by indy on May 24, 2016 6:58:56 GMT -6
It's not really his job to come up with the plan. He just needs to do what the principals tell him to do. He works for them, but he seems to forget that. This just might be the dumbest post ever. We are getting use to the excuses of zones, attain and deny. Etc that want to cull over 1/3 of the LHSAA because of a handful of schools y'all are scared to compete against. But this is down right ignorance of the LHSAA. Geez
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Post by iknownuthing on May 24, 2016 7:27:19 GMT -6
It's not really his job to come up with the plan. He just needs to do what the principals tell him to do. He works for them, but he seems to forget that. This just might be the dumbest post ever. We are getting use to the excuses of zones, attain and deny. Etc that want to cull over 1/3 of the LHSAA because of a handful of schools y'all are scared to compete against. But this is down right ignorance of the LHSAA. Geez It is evidence of the mindset of socialist marxist propaganda and brain washing. If anything, it is the PUBLIC SCHOOL teachers and the principals who work for the taxpayers. 100% of their salaries and funding of their schools comes from the taxpayer. They forget that private school people pay those salaries and fund those schools. They forget that as a group, we pay the greatest percentage of taxes, especially the large property owners who sends his kids to private school. It is disproportionate. Yet we are denied all the basic services. Now we have to be full paying members of the LHSAA be denied the same basic benefits of that ownership and must endure the lies distortion and hate filed rants of the public school principals and supporters. Minions, useless minions.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 11:21:13 GMT -6
This just might be the dumbest post ever. We are getting use to the excuses of zones, attain and deny. Etc that want to cull over 1/3 of the LHSAA because of a handful of schools y'all are scared to compete against. But this is down right ignorance of the LHSAA. Geez It is evidence of the mindset of socialist marxist propaganda and brain washing. If anything, it is the PUBLIC SCHOOL teachers and the principals who work for the taxpayers. 100% of their salaries and funding of their schools comes from the taxpayer. They forget that private school people pay those salaries and fund those schools. They forget that as a group, we pay the greatest percentage of taxes, especially the large property owners who sends his kids to private school. It is disproportionate. Yet we are denied all the basic services. Now we have to be full paying members of the LHSAA be denied the same basic benefits of that ownership and must endure the lies distortion and hate filed rants of the public school principals and supporters. Minions, useless minions. It seems yall have no understanding of the LHSAA. It's an association created by the principals, run by the principals, for the principals. Bonine works for them, to assist them. You are asking for a socialist/marxist situation when you want Bonine to create policy in the same way creates executive orders. Him doing that is what got the additional sports split so easily.
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Post by iknownuthing on May 24, 2016 13:49:02 GMT -6
It is evidence of the mindset of socialist marxist propaganda and brain washing. If anything, it is the PUBLIC SCHOOL teachers and the principals who work for the taxpayers. 100% of their salaries and funding of their schools comes from the taxpayer. They forget that private school people pay those salaries and fund those schools. They forget that as a group, we pay the greatest percentage of taxes, especially the large property owners who sends his kids to private school. It is disproportionate. Yet we are denied all the basic services. Now we have to be full paying members of the LHSAA be denied the same basic benefits of that ownership and must endure the lies distortion and hate filed rants of the public school principals and supporters. Minions, useless minions. It seems yall have no understanding of the LHSAA. It's an association created by the principals, run by the principals, for the principals. Bonine works for them, to assist them. You are asking for a socialist/marxist situation when you want Bonine to create policy in the same way creates executive orders. Him doing that is what got the additional sports split so easily. It was created by the schools, both public and private. Principals were key in its organization and in its management today, but the LHSAA by its very charter does not exist to do the whim of the principals. If what you say is so, it should be shut down now. For its charter states that is for the students, the kids, the athletes. NO where does it even mention principals, parents or adults. Principals can vote, but so can athletic directors and specific coaches designated as representatives. YOU are the one who lacks an understanding of how it was chartered and why it exists. Today it is in violation of its charter because of this wrong headed thinking.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 24, 2016 14:47:11 GMT -6
It is evidence of the mindset of socialist marxist propaganda and brain washing. If anything, it is the PUBLIC SCHOOL teachers and the principals who work for the taxpayers. 100% of their salaries and funding of their schools comes from the taxpayer. They forget that private school people pay those salaries and fund those schools. They forget that as a group, we pay the greatest percentage of taxes, especially the large property owners who sends his kids to private school. It is disproportionate. Yet we are denied all the basic services. Now we have to be full paying members of the LHSAA be denied the same basic benefits of that ownership and must endure the lies distortion and hate filed rants of the public school principals and supporters. Minions, useless minions. It seems yall have no understanding of the LHSAA. It's an association created by the principals, run by the principals, for the principals. Bonine works for them, to assist them. You are asking for a socialist/marxist situation when you want Bonine to create policy in the same way creates executive orders. Him doing that is what got the additional sports split so easily.i don't believe that in the slightest... your side was ready to do that with or without Bonine's actions...
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Post by eag on May 24, 2016 14:55:06 GMT -6
It's not really his job to come up with the plan. He just needs to do what the principals tell him to do. He works for them, but he seems to forget that. Not really accurate. The reason an organization such as the LHSAA exists is to provide for the greater good of the organization itself and all the members. If the principals alone were the only authority there would not need to be any organization at all. Now, Btown ( and others) continuing assertion that the LHSAA EC and director have failed may have some merit. As an example, this split thing should never have come up for vote as it is not in the best interest of a significant part of the membership. That said, the issues of competitive imbalance and advantage that may be occurring in spite of adherence to existing rules should have long ago been a priority for a creative solution. Talk to everyone, meet a lot, get unofficial ideas from everyone even if it's just over a cup of coffee, get to work and the EC should have crafted a plan long ago that could have been voted on without vitriol. That is how I think it should work in an ideal world. You represent you, I represent me, and our board or EC takes all that info and synthesizes a plan for all of us.
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