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Post by indy on Dec 13, 2016 12:16:29 GMT -6
1.5 multiplier on "select " Bring all back together. Let a school play up if they want. Divide total football playing schools by 4 and take that number and split into class A and AA (1A and 1AA, etc) This keeps teams from playing against much larger enrollments. Helps out the smaller select and non select from playing schools with double or even triple their enrollment. Why a multiplayer just on privates? Church Point has feeder schools in 5 different towns and more out of parish students than ND, why not them?
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 12:30:01 GMT -6
If any parent is doing this I would not rely on the school to tell me it is ok. This is extremely gray area with LHSAA and no place in the handbook is it clear addressed. Someone will tell it is ok and other will tell it is not and the little attention LHSAA gives to school moves you could be sitting there having to tell you child that they cannot play sports for 1 year. Gray? The LHSAA rules have been extremely gray since the split. Geez. We split because of zones and recruiting, right? Well the first thing the principals did is do away with zones and say publics can recruit up to 25% of their enrollment and be legal. Geez and you concerned about gray areas. It only shows their hypocrisy. If they had legit intentions they would have tightened the rules to prove their point further. Tighten the rules you have to have someone to enforce the rules you do have, then you can tighten them. The failure of the LHSAA to enforce the rules forced, what you call principals, to take thing in their hands. It is like a person scared of snake they do not take the time to see if it non poisons or not they kill them all. Does not make it right, makes it a fact of life. Was it right when 5A and 4A said JC and Evangel could longer play, no. It is the same thing and people running LHSAA are the s. They were the s back then and they are the s now.
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Post by pinion on Dec 13, 2016 12:32:23 GMT -6
No I don't. you guys are whiners.....Get a life. Keep whining. It's comical you guys thinking we are getting kids from all over the parish. LOL Hillarious. It's not whining when the complaint from bigmouth Booker is that private schools get players from all over and Many is doing the same thing. That's not whining, at that point it's FACT. In your previous post you said yourself that there is a kid on the team that's not in Many's zone. Well, 1, 5, or 50... Many is SELECTING students. If a kid lives next door to Negreet and wants to play football, he goes to Many to play it. He may very well sit out a year or donate blood or whatever, but he goes to Many and plays football. Which I am 100% okay with. Other than for school funding reasons, I don't care if the kid lives in North Dakota. If he wants to play football, let him play wherever he wishes to play. His choice should only be questioned when it comes to how his being there is funded. If his parents are paying taxes in another town, parish, state, or country, that's another matter that is completely unrelated to sports and the school board needs to deal with that. If Sabine parish is okay paying for an out of parish kid to attend school there, that's their business.
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Post by indy on Dec 13, 2016 12:38:01 GMT -6
Gray? The LHSAA rules have been extremely gray since the split. Geez. We split because of zones and recruiting, right? Well the first thing the principals did is do away with zones and say publics can recruit up to 25% of their enrollment and be legal. Geez and you concerned about gray areas. It only shows their hypocrisy. If they had legit intentions they would have tightened the rules to prove their point further. Tighten the rules you have to have someone to enforce the rules you do have, then you can tighten them. The failure of the LHSAA to enforce the rules forced, what you call principals, to take thing in their hands. It is like a person scared of snake they do not take the time to see if it non poisons or not they kill them all. Does not make it right, makes it a fact of life. Was it right when 5A and 4A said JC and Evangel could longer play, no. It is the same thing and people running LHSAA are the s. They were the s back then and they are the s now. Same (group) of s. 4and 5A self serving principals force JC and E down, 2A and 1A principals lead the split, all self serving s, simply different groups.
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 12:41:40 GMT -6
Tighten the rules you have to have someone to enforce the rules you do have, then you can tighten them. The failure of the LHSAA to enforce the rules forced, what you call principals, to take thing in their hands. It is like a person scared of snake they do not take the time to see if it non poisons or not they kill them all. Does not make it right, makes it a fact of life. Was it right when 5A and 4A said JC and Evangel could longer play, no. It is the same thing and people running LHSAA are the s. They were the s back then and they are the s now. Same (group) of s. 4and 5A self serving principals force JC and E down, 2A and 1A principals lead the split, all self serving s, simply different groups. So you are saying all the blame is on the principals, non on the people running LHSAA. Tell me one thing that the LHSAA has done to find common ground for both sides?
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Post by indy on Dec 13, 2016 12:45:07 GMT -6
Same (group) of s. 4and 5A self serving principals force JC and E down, 2A and 1A principals lead the split, all self serving s, simply different groups. So you are saying all the blame is on the principals, non on the people running LHSAA. Tell me one thing that the LHSAA has done to find common ground for both sides? Everything relevant comes down to principals votes. It's a principals organization. Sound familiar?
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Post by pinion on Dec 13, 2016 12:48:48 GMT -6
Same (group) of s. 4and 5A self serving principals force JC and E down, 2A and 1A principals lead the split, all self serving s, simply different groups. So you are saying all the blame is on the principals, non on the people running LHSAA. Tell me one thing that the LHSAA has done to find common ground for both sides? Personally, I blame (if there's really a need for that) all of it on both. The public school folks lead the charge and the LHSAA really didn't do much to stop it or to help find a compromise. At that point, all they did was allow the situation to escalate and stand by to still get money from both sides, while not doing much FOR either side. Obviously, the public folks were fine with it because they were getting exactly what they wanted. That said, the initial problem (going way back) is indeed on the LHSAA for not enforcing their own rules equally across the board. Had they just did that, I believe none of this would have ever come about. Just as, if the private schools were never forced to compete in their numerically designated classes, none of this would have ever happened. Instead of forcing private schools out of the higher classes, a multiplier should have been put in place. That would have alleviated a lot of hurt feelings.
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 12:56:03 GMT -6
So you are saying all the blame is on the principals, non on the people running LHSAA. Tell me one thing that the LHSAA has done to find common ground for both sides? Everything relevant comes down to principals votes. It's a principals organization. Sound familiar? Yes it does, I have said it. People are put in power so that they can be the clear thinking ones. Until the leadership of the LHSAA get to the driving force for the split, educate the principals on reality, we will continue in the direction we are going. Bad idea after bad idea. 5A and 4A not liking JC and E in their classification, ok we will get class B and C to vote with use and put them back in 2A and 1A. 2A and 1a not liking JC and E we going to get B and C and hope we can convince other classifications to go with on the split. Bad idea after Bad idea and the people running LHSAA say ok and are still getting paid. Any organization or government agency is only as good as the leadership. What will Bonine bring to the table in January, what has done this past year?
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 12:58:32 GMT -6
So you are saying all the blame is on the principals, non on the people running LHSAA. Tell me one thing that the LHSAA has done to find common ground for both sides? Personally, I blame (if there's really a need for that) all of it on both. The public school folks lead the charge and the LHSAA really didn't do much to stop it or to help find a compromise. At that point, all they did was allow the situation to escalate and stand by to still get money from both sides, while not doing much FOR either side. Obviously, the public folks were fine with it because they were getting exactly what they wanted. That said, the initial problem (going way back) is indeed on the LHSAA for not enforcing their own rules equally across the board. Had they just did that, I believe none of this would have ever come about. Just as, if the private schools were never forced to compete in their numerically designated classes, none of this would have ever happened. Instead of forcing private schools out of the higher classes, a multiplier should have been put in place. That would have alleviated a lot of hurt feelings. There are people working for LHSAA drawing pay checks and someone needs to asking them for a refund.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Dec 13, 2016 13:01:15 GMT -6
Everything relevant comes down to principals votes. It's a principals organization. Sound familiar? Yes it does, I have said it. People are put in power so that they can be the clear thinking ones. Until the leadership of the LHSAA get to the driving force for the split, educate the principals on reality, we will continue in the direction we are going. Bad idea after bad idea. 5A and 4A not liking JC and E in their classification, ok we will get class B and C to vote with use and put them back in 2A and 1A. 2A and 1a not liking JC and E we going to get B and C and hope we can convince other classifications to go with on the split. Bad idea after Bad idea and the people running LHSAA say ok and are still getting paid. Any organization or government agency is only as good as the leadership. What will Bonine bring to the table in January, what has done this past year? I really believe that Bonine could bring the best plan ever in recorded history and won't get it on the agenda because at this time no one trust him. I would hope that a group of coaches from both the "select" & "non-select" side could get together and come up with a plan that they could in turn "sell" to the Principals. I believe that this will be the only way that the LHSAA could ever come back together.
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 13:04:23 GMT -6
Yes it does, I have said it. People are put in power so that they can be the clear thinking ones. Until the leadership of the LHSAA get to the driving force for the split, educate the principals on reality, we will continue in the direction we are going. Bad idea after bad idea. 5A and 4A not liking JC and E in their classification, ok we will get class B and C to vote with use and put them back in 2A and 1A. 2A and 1a not liking JC and E we going to get B and C and hope we can convince other classifications to go with on the split. Bad idea after Bad idea and the people running LHSAA say ok and are still getting paid. Any organization or government agency is only as good as the leadership. What will Bonine bring to the table in January, what has done this past year? I really believe that Bonine could bring the best plan ever in recorded history and won't get it on the agenda because at this time no one trust him. I would hope that a group of coaches from both the "select" & "non-select" side could get together and come up with a plan that they could in turn "sell" to the Principals. I believe that this will be the only way that the LHSAA could ever come back together. Bonine dug his own hole and needs to go. There is such a distrust there the principals and coaches will never be able to come together until they have someone running LHSAA that is trusted.
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Post by eag on Dec 13, 2016 13:29:51 GMT -6
I really believe that Bonine could bring the best plan ever in recorded history and won't get it on the agenda because at this time no one trust him. I would hope that a group of coaches from both the "select" & "non-select" side could get together and come up with a plan that they could in turn "sell" to the Principals. I believe that this will be the only way that the LHSAA could ever come back together. Bonine dug his own hole and needs to go. There is such a distrust there the principals and coaches will never be able to come together until they have someone running LHSAA that is trusted. All goes back to leadership, like you say. And, as I've said before, the principals themselves should never have been able to bring this plan to a vote. They should have pressured the EC for a solution and the EC should have cobbled a plan that could get support from all sides
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 13:40:31 GMT -6
Bonine dug his own hole and needs to go. There is such a distrust there the principals and coaches will never be able to come together until they have someone running LHSAA that is trusted. All goes back to leadership, like you say. And, as I've said before, the principals themselves should never have been able to bring this plan to a vote. They should have pressured the EC for a solution and the EC should have cobbled a plan that could get support from all sides EC has also been sitting on their hands. EC and Bonine have done nothing. If the police will not help to protect you and your property what do you do? Most people will take thing into their own hands. EC and Bonine failed to protect schools, from a perceived advantage, so the principals took thing into their own hands. Yes, I will say perceived advantage for arguments so we can get down what caused the problem. Every idea can be pitched on how thing should be done, split, multiplier or what ever, but until it is documented and proven why it is needed or not needed we will never move forward.
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Post by eag on Dec 13, 2016 14:44:56 GMT -6
Agreed I just read the article and I agree with him. In fact, he is proposing 2 things I have vigorously supported on this site-- Indiana plan and a reformed governance of LHSAA. That doesn't mean just fire Bonine. It means restructuring, like I proposed on the other thread ( I think on the non- sports board).
In summary: The eag High School Athletic Organization Proposal
eHSAO Organizational structure:
Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. EC is the policy- making branch. Policy that attains a 75% vote in EC can be brought to members at large for approval vote. That way any policy crafted must be acceptable to coaches, principals, public, and private to at least a reasonable degree. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Member schools submit any issues to the regional reps, and vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC. (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!)
Basic rule outline:
1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations.
2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9
3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move
4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically.
5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success.
6) 2.5 GPA
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 15:03:43 GMT -6
Agreed I just read the article and I agree with him. In fact, he is proposing 2 things I have vigorously supported on this site-- Indiana plan and a reformed governance of LHSAA. That doesn't mean just fire Bonine. It means restructuring, like I proposed on the other thread ( I think on the non- sports board). In summary: The eag High School Athletic Organization Proposal eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. EC is the policy- making branch. Policy that attains a 75% vote in EC can be brought to members at large for approval vote. That way any policy crafted must be acceptable to coaches, principals, public, and private to at least a reasonable degree. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Member schools submit any issues to the regional reps, and vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC. (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) Basic rule outline: 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA May not agree on all points, but again this a starting point. A committee could work out the details of each one. Still say Bonine has to go no trust. Second is to have something set up to investigate and audit schools and not someone that is retired from the school systems.
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Post by eag on Dec 13, 2016 15:35:39 GMT -6
Yep. Full time employee or employees who do that as a job. Maybe mixed with other duties but not working for anyone but LHSAA.
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Post by btown on Dec 13, 2016 15:39:44 GMT -6
Yep. Full time employee or employees who do that as a job. Maybe mixed with other duties but not working for anyone but LHSAA. I would take that job.
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 17:00:35 GMT -6
So what u are saying is that the state of ur program makes kids interested in coming to many? Interesting concept bc when it's a private school that would be labeled as recruiting by public people But at many it's bc of the state of the program I gotcha No Goldburg, that's not what's being said. For privates a student could be out of zone, or parish for that matter and still attend and play. For Many, they would have to make a legitimate move to be able to play football. Not exactly the same thing So do u understand the rules of private school attendance zones? Bc the truth is that for "eligibility" there is absolutely no differences bw public school zones and private school zones If a kid lives outside of a private school attendance zone and goes to a private school aftrrr 8th grade they are ineligible No difference from public school As been proven by the many example in this thread yes they can attend publics!T hU say east Texas and surrounding parishes want to go to many bc of the successs of program but can't bc they would be ineligible No difference from a kid living in Kaplan who wants to go to st thomas more, he's still ineligible There's to much misinformation out there about eligibility at private schools There's no difference The difference that public schools like to site is kids can't attend public schools from outside attendance zone which is a seperate issue but even the
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 17:03:22 GMT -6
The reason no one can get anywhere with this arguement is bc the main thing is publics fail to recognize that they are as guilty as the people they criticize That's part of the issue
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 19:39:24 GMT -6
There are 34 active desegregation orders in Louisiana. We are under one and can not accept kids out of our zone,,,,,,,but others outside the Parish can get them, and then we have to play them.
I have announced our games for 25 years, I had to announce the game when Evangel was sent back down to 1A to punish them, it was not pretty. Those seasons ruined our Football program for a number of years.
The only good thing was we concentrated on Basketball and became Dominant. There is not a one size fits all answer,,,,,,split is great for us in Football,,,,,but Horrible for us in Basketball.
No solutions here, just giving info.
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 20:01:32 GMT -6
Tell me about the difference between attracting and recruiting. Don't players (student-athletes) go to any school because they find it ATTRACTive and see the benefits of going there?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 20:05:51 GMT -6
Goldburg at it again 😂😂😂😂😂 So bc Lab has won 2 championships, they don't belong in division 4? That's crazy. Let's get rid of the split all together.
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:12:14 GMT -6
Yea jklee im back baby That was in article I just happen to agree with him And don't worry I would love to get rid of the split all together And about the other point made by Southern Lab guy I don't think that attracting players bc of success is wrong I was disagreeing with many fan bc he was using that arguement that people wafted to go to many bc of success I don't doubt that it happens that way at lab or John Curtis I'm a private school guy! I know it's not all recruiting u talking to wrong guy My arguement with teams like lab and others who dominate is to have a success clause in Lhsaa as it says in this article That part I agree with
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:15:20 GMT -6
Tell me about the difference between attracting and recruiting. Don't players (student-athletes) go to any school because they find it ATTRACTive and see the benefits of going there? Yes they do I haven't argued against that The topic debated in this thread was about kids being eligible to play sports if they attend a school from outside there attendance zone Not sure why u quoted me and asked me that question u preaching to wrong side I agree Talk to fridaynightlights
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 20:27:38 GMT -6
Tell me about the difference between attracting and recruiting. Don't players (student-athletes) go to any school because they find it ATTRACTive and see the benefits of going there? Yes they do I haven't argued against that The topic debated in this thread was about kids being eligible to play sports if they attend a school from outside there attendance zone Not sure why u quoted me and asked me that question u preaching to wrong side I agree Talk to fridaynightlights You posted the original article and said that the comments about Southern Lab and Lafayette Christian were on point. I didn't read any other comments, only the article and the original post. BTW Lafayette Christian isn't doing anything special. We all know who dominated first.
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:31:51 GMT -6
Yes they do I haven't argued against that The topic debated in this thread was about kids being eligible to play sports if they attend a school from outside there attendance zone Not sure why u quoted me and asked me that question u preaching to wrong side I agree Talk to fridaynightlights You posted the original article and said that the comments about Southern Lab and Lafayette Christian were on point. I didn't read any other comments, only the article and the original post. BTW Lafayette Christian isn't doing anything special. We all know who dominated first. I do think the articles on point yes I do
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 20:38:57 GMT -6
You posted the original article and said that the comments about Southern Lab and Lafayette Christian were on point. I didn't read any other comments, only the article and the original post. BTW Lafayette Christian isn't doing anything special. We all know who dominated first. I do think the articles on point yes I do So then you know and can tell me what the difference between ATTRACTing and recruiting student-athletes?
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:43:52 GMT -6
Yes I do know the difference for whatever reason u are asking me this question Recruiting would be actively going out to get players to come to the school and attracting would be players coming to play at the school bc of success You are making this point to me why?
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 20:47:25 GMT -6
Yes I do know the difference for whatever reason u are asking me this question Recruiting would be actively going out to get players to come to the school and attracting would be players coming to play at the school bc of success You are making this point to me why? I'm asking you to explain it to me because to me it's the same thing. I'm making the point because it comes from your "on point" article that singled out the school that I'm an alumnus of.
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:52:18 GMT -6
Article did not talk about southern lab attracting players Article said southern lab and Lafayette christian shouldn't be playing in the divisions they play in That's on point nothing to do with recruiting or attracting U are way off point
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