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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:55:33 GMT -6
Since u ask and call me out do I think all those great players at lab fell in ur lap? Well when u put together a team like that whether u are alumni or not you have to be ready for people to question how you did it Comes with the territory Did lab do anything illegal obviously not but I also don't think it happened by osmosis
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 20:58:15 GMT -6
Yes I do know the difference for whatever reason u are asking me this question Recruiting would be actively going out to get players to come to the school and attracting would be players coming to play at the school bc of success You are making this point to me why? I'm asking you to explain it to me because to me it's the same thing. I'm making the point because it comes from your "on point" article that singled out the school that I'm an alumnus of. So u think there's no difference bw recruiting and attracting? If you believe that then what arguement are u making for southern lab bc u certainly not helping there case lol
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 21:00:58 GMT -6
And before you all say it yes I know scotlandville, southern lab and Madison prep all made the dome and are close in proximity and istrouma closed blah blah blah I understand all that Talent rich area obviously
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 21:03:30 GMT -6
I'm asking you to explain it to me because to me it's the same thing. I'm making the point because it comes from your "on point" article that singled out the school that I'm an alumnus of. So u think there's no difference bw recruiting and attracting? If you believe that then what arguement are u making for southern lab bc u certainly not helping there case lol The school's attractive. The education is above average, it's very family oriented, teachers personally care about the students, and they send athletes to the collegiate and professional rank. That ATTRACTS students and student-athletes to the school. I'm opposed to any split so there's no argument for just Southern Lab. Everyone should play within the class that their enrollment calls for them to play on. If you go to a small school that gets their butts kicked then transfer to a better school or don't play at all!
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 21:06:54 GMT -6
So u think there's no difference bw recruiting and attracting? If you believe that then what arguement are u making for southern lab bc u certainly not helping there case lol The school's attractive. The education is above average, it's very family oriented, teachers personally care about the students, and they send athletes to the collegiate and professional rank. That ATTRACTS students and student-athletes to the school. I'm opposed to any split so there's no argument for just Southern Lab. Everyone should play within the class that their enrollment calls for them to play on. If you go to a small school that gets their butts kicked then transfer to a better school or don't play at all! I agree with you on ur point about lab attracting students I think it's great so why in the world would you say there's no difference between attracting and recruiting Recruiting is illegal That's where u lose me on ur point
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 21:13:49 GMT -6
The school's attractive. The education is above average, it's very family oriented, teachers personally care about the students, and they send athletes to the collegiate and professional rank. That ATTRACTS students and student-athletes to the school. I'm opposed to any split so there's no argument for just Southern Lab. Everyone should play within the class that their enrollment calls for them to play on. If you go to a small school that gets their butts kicked then transfer to a better school or don't play at all! I agree with you on ur point about lab attracting students I think it's great so why in the world would you say there's no difference between attracting and recruiting Recruiting is illegal That's where u lose me on ur point The words are interchangeable. There is no difference.
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 21:15:27 GMT -6
So u think there's no difference bw recruiting and attracting? If you believe that then what arguement are u making for southern lab bc u certainly not helping there case lol The school's attractive. The education is above average, it's very family oriented, teachers personally care about the students, and they send athletes to the collegiate and professional rank. That ATTRACTS students and student-athletes to the school. I'm opposed to any split so there's no argument for just Southern Lab. Everyone should play within the class that their enrollment calls for them to play on. If you go to a small school that gets their butts kicked then transfer to a better school or don't play at all! So u think John Curtis and evangel should play 2a? That what you are advocating? And bc a school compiles plenty of collegiate and pro players then kids who get there butts kicked should transfer? You are a great advocate of high school sports geez
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 21:17:25 GMT -6
I agree with you on ur point about lab attracting students I think it's great so why in the world would you say there's no difference between attracting and recruiting Recruiting is illegal That's where u lose me on ur point The words are interchangeable. There is no difference. So if the words are interchangeable and you say Southern Lab attracts? By ur definition are they also recruiting? I don't think that's true to tie those two words together but it sounds to me that's what you are saying
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 21:35:56 GMT -6
The school's attractive. The education is above average, it's very family oriented, teachers personally care about the students, and they send athletes to the collegiate and professional rank. That ATTRACTS students and student-athletes to the school. I'm opposed to any split so there's no argument for just Southern Lab. Everyone should play within the class that their enrollment calls for them to play on. If you go to a small school that gets their butts kicked then transfer to a better school or don't play at all! So u think John Curtis and evangel should play 2a? That what you are advocating? And bc a school compiles plenty of collegiate and pro players then kids who get there butts kicked should transfer? You are a great advocate of high school sports geez Yes they should play in whatever class their enrollment calls fit for. I'm an advocate of everyone can't be a winner so if you don't win, work hard until you do!
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 13, 2016 21:39:24 GMT -6
The words are interchangeable. There is no difference. So if the words are interchangeable and you say Southern Lab attracts? By ur definition are they also recruiting? I don't think that's true to tie those two words together but it sounds to me that's what you are saying "Parents are going to send their kids where they have the best opportunity to succeed both academically and athletically, and it doesn't have to be a recruiting situation for kids to want to change schools." I stand corrected they aren't interchangeable. What schools like Lab, ECA, and Curtis do is ATTRACT not recruit (agreeing to disagree).
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 21:43:33 GMT -6
Ok I agree on that point I was just confused with ur arguement I agree with u on that and respect ur point on playing in whatever class ur number is I think different but I also think there's room and arguement could be made for both
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Post by Sixpack on Dec 13, 2016 22:13:10 GMT -6
Ok I agree on that point I was just confused with ur arguement I agree with u on that and respect ur point on playing in whatever class ur number is I think different but I also think there's room and arguement could be made for both There is no logical argument for schools like John Curtis and Evangel to play football in the classification that their enrollment puts them in. If it was that simple there never would have been a problem in the first place. The problem began with the 5A schools complaining about not being able to compete with those two schools so what sense would it make to put them in with the small schools in their classification. In fact that was tried with Evangel and naturally it was a disaster. Private schools have good coaching and they work hard but they also can use players from outside their assigned zones and whether you like it or not that is an advantage that helps them build football powerhouse programs. Because of that advantage the powerhouse private programs should be required tp play up in classification. Evangel has always volunteered to play up and now JC does also. So those two schools are no longer the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 22:42:00 GMT -6
Goldburg just wants Lab out of division 4 😂😂😂😂
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Post by goldburg on Dec 13, 2016 22:51:54 GMT -6
Goldburg just wants Lab out of division 4 😂😂😂😂 Yep
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 22:53:49 GMT -6
Goldburg just wants Lab out of division 4 😂😂😂😂 Yep Too bad. Lab not moving bruh.
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Post by jgjetson on Dec 13, 2016 23:37:50 GMT -6
Too bad. Lab not moving bruh. The kids fell into labs lap coincidentally really! I can tell u this. The class that graduated last year had been playing together since middle school like 6th grade a lot of their parents were lab grads so all the boys wanted to play together at a school so it ended up being lab. When u get a real good player off a brec team the parents talk and they want them to stay together! This is the way Prep gets kids and Sville! Prep has a 8th grade team loaded because they all played little league together and parents wasn't tonkeep them together. The same thing that happenes At Uhigh with big baby tasmin bass, Tyrus AAU together SeiomeAugustusnat Capitol same thing during their run at Capitol. BR teams winning are usually kids who want to stick together Parkview baptist championship teams and i even heard STM players that won this year have been together since 5th
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Post by sh34 on Dec 14, 2016 5:33:21 GMT -6
Agreed I just read the article and I agree with him. In fact, he is proposing 2 things I have vigorously supported on this site-- Indiana plan and a reformed governance of LHSAA. That doesn't mean just fire Bonine. It means restructuring, like I proposed on the other thread ( I think on the non- sports board). In summary: The eag High School Athletic Organization Proposal eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. EC is the policy- making branch. Policy that attains a 75% vote in EC can be brought to members at large for approval vote. That way any policy crafted must be acceptable to coaches, principals, public, and private to at least a reasonable degree. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Member schools submit any issues to the regional reps, and vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC. (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) Basic rule outline: 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine. Let's say an average student attempts an AP class and fails it, should he be ruled ineligible if the rest of his grades are not high enough?
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Post by sh34 on Dec 14, 2016 5:34:06 GMT -6
1.5 multiplier on "select " Bring all back together. Let a school play up if they want. Divide total football playing schools by 4 and take that number and split into class A and AA (1A and 1AA, etc) This keeps teams from playing against much larger enrollments. Helps out the smaller select and non select from playing schools with double or even triple their enrollment. Why a multiplayer just on privates? Church Point has feeder schools in 5 different towns and more out of parish students than ND, why not them? I said select, did not say privates.
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Post by btown on Dec 14, 2016 8:08:19 GMT -6
Agreed I just read the article and I agree with him. In fact, he is proposing 2 things I have vigorously supported on this site-- Indiana plan and a reformed governance of LHSAA. That doesn't mean just fire Bonine. It means restructuring, like I proposed on the other thread ( I think on the non- sports board). In summary: The eag High School Athletic Organization Proposal eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. EC is the policy- making branch. Policy that attains a 75% vote in EC can be brought to members at large for approval vote. That way any policy crafted must be acceptable to coaches, principals, public, and private to at least a reasonable degree. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Member schools submit any issues to the regional reps, and vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC. (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) Basic rule outline: 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine. Let's say an average student attempts an AP class and fails it, should he be ruled ineligible if the rest of his grades are not high enough? A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine? They are students first then athletes.
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 14, 2016 8:09:43 GMT -6
Ok I agree on that point I was just confused with ur arguement I agree with u on that and respect ur point on playing in whatever class ur number is I think different but I also think there's room and arguement could be made for both There is no logical argument for schools like John Curtis and Evangel to play football in the classification that their enrollment puts them in. If it was that simple there never would have been a problem in the first place. The problem began with the 5A schools complaining about not being able to compete with those two schools so what sense would it make to put them in with the small schools in their classification. In fact that was tried with Evangel and naturally it was a disaster. Private schools have good coaching and they work hard but they also can use players from outside their assigned zones and whether you like it or not that is an advantage that helps them build football powerhouse programs. Because of that advantage the powerhouse private programs should be required tp play up in classification. Evangel has always volunteered to play up and now JC does also. So those two schools are no longer the problem.When was it a disaster? I remember them barely getting by class 1A SU Lab in 2006 or 2007 in a game they should've lost.
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Post by OICU812 on Dec 14, 2016 8:22:00 GMT -6
There is no logical argument for schools like John Curtis and Evangel to play football in the classification that their enrollment puts them in. If it was that simple there never would have been a problem in the first place. The problem began with the 5A schools complaining about not being able to compete with those two schools so what sense would it make to put them in with the small schools in their classification. In fact that was tried with Evangel and naturally it was a disaster. Private schools have good coaching and they work hard but they also can use players from outside their assigned zones and whether you like it or not that is an advantage that helps them build football powerhouse programs. Because of that advantage the powerhouse private programs should be required tp play up in classification. Evangel has always volunteered to play up and now JC does also. So those two schools are no longer the problem. When was it a disaster? I remember them barely getting by class 1A SU Lab in 2006 or 2007 in a game they should've lost. It was a disaster when they were forced to play in a 1A district with the likes of Ringgold and Cotton Valley who could barely field more than 20 players total.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 14, 2016 8:26:02 GMT -6
Agreed I just read the article and I agree with him. In fact, he is proposing 2 things I have vigorously supported on this site-- Indiana plan and a reformed governance of LHSAA. That doesn't mean just fire Bonine. It means restructuring, like I proposed on the other thread ( I think on the non- sports board). In summary: The eag High School Athletic Organization Proposal eHSAO Organizational structure: Exec Director -- communicator and figurehead. Does the nuts and bold meetings, administrative duties, etc. Exec Committee-- made up of equal number of coaches and principals. Terms of 3 years but the first group would have staggered terms of 1, 2, and 3 years so the whole crew isn't replaced at once. All policy is proposed and brought to the floor by this group, who has the fiduciary duty to look out for the best interest of the eHSAO and NOT their individual schools. I would start with this being a rotation and not an election ( each school eventually gets a turn), but would listen to opposing views on that. Would be done by regions and by public/private. 6 regions, 2 members from each, at least 4 of the 12 must represent tuition-paying schools. EC is the policy- making branch. Policy that attains a 75% vote in EC can be brought to members at large for approval vote. That way any policy crafted must be acceptable to coaches, principals, public, and private to at least a reasonable degree. The membership-- all dues-paying schools. Member schools submit any issues to the regional reps, and vote on policy issues brought to the floor by the EC. (You know, things like kicking eag the heck out of the organization!) Basic rule outline: 1) Play anywhere you attend school. Attendance zone issues are for school boards, not Athletic organizations. 2) Eligible at any school you start attending in grade 9 3) Sit a year if you change schools after grade 9 unless Bonafide Move 4) Bonafide move is greater than 50 miles and reason must be shown. Household must actually move. Committee in place to examine each of these critically. 5) Indiana plan metric for excessive success. 6) 2.5 GPA A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine. Let's say an average student attempts an AP class and fails it, should he be ruled ineligible if the rest of his grades are not high enough? Yes. In my opinion if a student fails any class, they should be ineligible until the next grading period is over. Do you realize how easy high school is now a days? If they bring their grades up then they can rejoin the team for games, they can still practice and stay in shape. For a school that uses block schedule the student daily schedule is usually like this. 1st period - elective (ag, keyboading, home ec, etc.) 2nd period - math, English, science, 3rd period - math, English, science or elective, 4th period - Athletics. This means the student only has to study for 1 maybe 2 classes. If they are a senior they only 2 or 3 total classes usually. If they cant do this then they don't deserve to be participating in after school activities. And some schools offer study hall or tutoring at some point during the day.
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Post by sh34 on Dec 14, 2016 9:06:53 GMT -6
A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine. Let's say an average student attempts an AP class and fails it, should he be ruled ineligible if the rest of his grades are not high enough? Yes. In my opinion if a student fails any class, they should be ineligible until the next grading period is over. Do you realize how easy high school is now a days? If they bring their grades up then they can rejoin the team for games, they can still practice and stay in shape. For a school that uses block schedule the student daily schedule is usually like this. 1st period - elective (ag, keyboading, home ec, etc.) 2nd period - math, English, science, 3rd period - math, English, science or elective, 4th period - Athletics. This means the student only has to study for 1 maybe 2 classes. If they are a senior they only 2 or 3 total classes usually. If they cant do this then they don't deserve to be participating in after school activities. And some schools offer study hall or tutoring at some point during the day. This may be true for some/a lot, but not all students. Some actually try to earn TOPPS and attempt challenging classes. If you think AP classes are "easy", you are clearly uninformed.
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Post by sh34 on Dec 14, 2016 9:10:41 GMT -6
A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine. Let's say an average student attempts an AP class and fails it, should he be ruled ineligible if the rest of his grades are not high enough? A 2.5 GPA requirement is assanine? They are students first then athletes. Very assanine!
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Post by pinion on Dec 14, 2016 13:50:20 GMT -6
So u think John Curtis and evangel should play 2a? That what you are advocating? And bc a school compiles plenty of collegiate and pro players then kids who get there butts kicked should transfer? You are a great advocate of high school sports geez Yes they should play in whatever class their enrollment calls fit for. I'm an advocate of everyone can't be a winner so if you don't win, work hard until you do! You say that teams should play in whatever class their enrollment calls for.. You say that currently because your team is owning that class. The moment a Curtis or ECA had 1A numbers and was giving SLab a short season every year, you'd not be such a big fan of it. Other than hurt the program, lower classifications does nothing for ECA, or any other school that plays up. I guess it's good for you that Lab cannot move up, because if they could, they would, and you'd be unhappy.
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Post by pinion on Dec 14, 2016 13:58:39 GMT -6
There is no logical argument for schools like John Curtis and Evangel to play football in the classification that their enrollment puts them in. If it was that simple there never would have been a problem in the first place. The problem began with the 5A schools complaining about not being able to compete with those two schools so what sense would it make to put them in with the small schools in their classification. In fact that was tried with Evangel and naturally it was a disaster. Private schools have good coaching and they work hard but they also can use players from outside their assigned zones and whether you like it or not that is an advantage that helps them build football powerhouse programs. Because of that advantage the powerhouse private programs should be required tp play up in classification. Evangel has always volunteered to play up and now JC does also. So those two schools are no longer the problem. When was it a disaster? I remember them barely getting by class 1A SU Lab in 2006 or 2007 in a game they should've lost. 2005 is when they played. 23-12 doesn't really qualify as "barely getting by" or a "game they should have lost". The only thing negative about that win is that SLab was terrible that year and Evangel should have hung 30 or more on them like they did everyone else (practically) in 1A. Any time a team doubles your score, they didn't "barely get by".
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Post by goldburg on Dec 14, 2016 14:24:24 GMT -6
Yes they should play in whatever class their enrollment calls fit for. I'm an advocate of everyone can't be a winner so if you don't win, work hard until you do! You say that teams should play in whatever class their enrollment calls for.. You say that currently because your team is owning that class. The moment a Curtis or ECA had 1A numbers and was giving SLab a short season every year, you'd not be such a big fan of it. Other than hurt the program, lower classifications does nothing for ECA, or any other school that plays up. I guess it's good for you that Lab cannot move up, because if they could, they would, and you'd be unhappy. Agree 100%
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Post by goldburg on Dec 14, 2016 14:28:07 GMT -6
When was it a disaster? I remember them barely getting by class 1A SU Lab in 2006 or 2007 in a game they should've lost. It was a disaster when they were forced to play in a 1A district with the likes of Ringgold and Cotton Valley who could barely field more than 20 players total. Agree 100%
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Post by goldburg on Dec 14, 2016 14:28:56 GMT -6
Ok I agree on that point I was just confused with ur arguement I agree with u on that and respect ur point on playing in whatever class ur number is I think different but I also think there's room and arguement could be made for both There is no logical argument for schools like John Curtis and Evangel to play football in the classification that their enrollment puts them in. If it was that simple there never would have been a problem in the first place. The problem began with the 5A schools complaining about not being able to compete with those two schools so what sense would it make to put them in with the small schools in their classification. In fact that was tried with Evangel and naturally it was a disaster. Private schools have good coaching and they work hard but they also can use players from outside their assigned zones and whether you like it or not that is an advantage that helps them build football powerhouse programs. Because of that advantage the powerhouse private programs should be required tp play up in classification. Evangel has always volunteered to play up and now JC does also. So those two schools are no longer the problem.Agree 100%
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Post by sulab05 on Dec 14, 2016 16:11:45 GMT -6
Yes they should play in whatever class their enrollment calls fit for. I'm an advocate of everyone can't be a winner so if you don't win, work hard until you do! You say that teams should play in whatever class their enrollment calls for.. You say that currently because your team is owning that class. The moment a Curtis or ECA had 1A numbers and was giving SLab a short season every year, you'd not be such a big fan of it. Other than hurt the program, lower classifications does nothing for ECA, or any other school that plays up. I guess it's good for you that Lab cannot move up, because if they could, they would, and you'd be unhappy. Contrary to what you may believe I wouldn't be unhappy. I was raised to suck it up and be better! If those schools jump into 1A guess what? More athletes will go to Lab as they'll have the opportunity to play against those "powerhouses."
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