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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 14:27:33 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 14:32:57 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is.
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Post by gentsandpios on Mar 23, 2016 14:38:45 GMT -6
In a lighter note who ever compared Catholic of Baton Rouge as a football powerhouse comparable to John Curtis? Just find that quote in the article as humorous
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Post by Raven on Mar 23, 2016 16:05:02 GMT -6
In a lighter note who ever compared Catholic of Baton Rouge as a football powerhouse comparable to John Curtis? Just find that quote in the article as humorous The state power that since 1929 has brought in: State Championships (1) State Runners-Up (1) State Playoff Appearances (28) District Championships (16) (from the Catholic High website)
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Post by fridaynights on Mar 23, 2016 17:02:40 GMT -6
Virtually has no chance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 18:43:08 GMT -6
Seriously doubt the pro public school Governor would sign it into law.
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Post by attilathehun on Mar 24, 2016 6:16:36 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is. THAT'S what you think the problem is? Not a runaway Legislature that can't even balance a $25 Billion budget? You really are clueless.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 7:20:29 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is. THAT'S what you think the problem is? Not a runaway Legislature that can't even balance a $25 Billion budget? You really are clueless. The Legistatures are great for sticking their nose where it does not belong. How much money is spent trying to pass this bill. Seems like they would worry more about a balance budget, instead of wasting more money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 8:56:29 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is. THAT'S what you think the problem is? Not a runaway Legislature that can't even balance a $25 Billion budget? You really are clueless. Actually if you are surprised by the "runaway legislature" then you are the one who is clueless. The legislature has tried more than once to intervene. That was a KNOWN risk. The short term "vote me a trophy" mindset is/was foolish for not seeing this attack coming. I think the LHSAA better stop hoping it will come to nothing and start addressing the issue at the core of this.
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Post by fridaynights on Mar 24, 2016 9:47:11 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best.
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Post by Sirdog on Mar 24, 2016 10:28:09 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is. Just who won a "vote me a trophy" championship? Please, enlighten us.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 10:30:11 GMT -6
Another poorly thought out action. If it passes, every school that receives public money is in violation and no alternative is in place. EVERY SCHOOL could lose a year of sports trying to follow the law. This is what chaos arises from the "vote me a trophy" mindset. The easy way out never really is. Just who won a "vote me a trophy" championship? Please, enlighten us. I would also like the answer to that, they make it sound like every team got a state championship trophy.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Mar 24, 2016 11:16:51 GMT -6
I do want the association back together. However I would prefer we come back together by having meaningful discussions and hopefully meeting each other halfway.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 11:24:30 GMT -6
I do want the association back together. However I would prefer we come back together by having meaningful discussions and hopefully meeting each other halfway. You hit it dead on the head and I will ask the same question I have been asking, what has Bonine done to move towards this, nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 13:51:49 GMT -6
There is a REALLY simple answer...allow each class to vote individually on select/non-select.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 14:01:37 GMT -6
There is a REALLY simple answer...allow each class to vote individually on select/non-select. They tried that and they said no. It is fun how we keep coming back to the same issues. 5A school should be able to find 35 kids (Starters and skilled players) to compete with anyone. Not talking total roster but around 35 kids out of full roster. 4A same 3A I have mix feeling that is why it should be voted on by class. 2A and 1A there are big difference in public and private school programs, but let them vote on by class. You probably would only have the split in 1A and 2A if you voted on it by classfication, maybe 3A.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 14:02:34 GMT -6
Also simple is to easy.
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Post by Raven on Mar 24, 2016 15:04:44 GMT -6
I doubt there would be a split in 1A if schools were allowed to vote by class. The most vehement supporters of the split seem to be in 2A and some in 3A.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 16:57:22 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best. You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from?
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 19:43:37 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best. You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from? You cannot just transfer to play football.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 19:44:34 GMT -6
I doubt there would be a split in 1A if schools were allowed to vote by class. The most vehement supporters of the split seem to be in 2A and some in 3A. So let them vote by class.
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Post by 1stdown on Mar 25, 2016 4:08:18 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best. You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from? In all my days in kinder, I never recall any star football player coming from reeves. How ironic that most private school supporters on this site champion haynesville as a "prime example" when quoting championships won by public schools vs private. They also draw from a few nonfootball schools in their area. Now this notion is being used to ding public schools. Hypocrisy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2016 7:24:39 GMT -6
You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from? In all my days in kinder, I never recall any star football player coming from reeves. How ironic that most private school supporters on this site champion haynesville as a "prime example" when quoting championships won by public schools vs private. They also draw from a few nonfootball schools in their area. Now this notion is being used to ding public schools. Hypocrisy. If you had read the whole post you would have seen that it said "there are more." It also said "can" not "did."
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Post by Knowledge is power on Mar 25, 2016 20:03:44 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best. You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from? You make a valid point but there are a few things you are not realizing. If a students plays football for one of these schools they must attend that school so they do get counted towards their enrollment numbers, they can't attend one school and play for another. These students must also find their own transportation because a bus will not pick these kids up. Also if a student transferred from a school like Atlanta, Reeves, Converse,etc.they would be ineligible for one year. Reason being because more than likely this student was on a high school roster in the 7th grade and by rule that means that student has already made their school of choice. Let's also consider that the school board would have to approve the transfer and athletics is not a viable transfer excuse. I can promise you there are maybe 3 students at most that live in these small communities that want to play football at these 3 schools.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 8:56:23 GMT -6
You mention OUR organization. I wonder when OUR organization is going to wise up about public schools that have the ability to draw students from other schools in there parish that don't offer football. These schools have an unfair advantage over other public schools. Many High has an enrollment of 306 students. Since no other school in the parish offers football, Many can draw students from Converse (145), Florien (152), Negreet (149), Pleasant Hill (71), and Zwolle (201). Total enrollment of non football schools in Sabine parish is 718. This gives Many High the ability to draw football players from an enrollment of 1024, while only having to report the 306 that attend the school. The total of 1024 would make them larger than Neville, Warren Easton, Terlings Catholic and many more. If they were forced to claim all the students that they can draw their football team from, they would be a 4-A school. Many is not alone Kinder can draw from Reeves (85), This would make them a 3-A school. Winfield High can draw from Atlanta (63), Calvin (94), Dodson (104) this in effect gives them an additional 261 students and they would be a 4-A school. And this is just a few. There are more. Is this fair to schools that have to claim everyone that they can draw from? You make a valid point but there are a few things you are not realizing. If a students plays football for one of these schools they must attend that school so they do get counted towards their enrollment numbers, they can't attend one school and play for another. These students must also find their own transportation because a bus will not pick these kids up. Also if a student transferred from a school like Atlanta, Reeves, Converse,etc.they would be ineligible for one year. Reason being because more than likely this student was on a high school roster in the 7th grade and by rule that means that student has already made their school of choice. Let's also consider that the school board would have to approve the transfer and athletics is not a viable transfer excuse. I can promise you there are maybe 3 students at most that live in these small communities that want to play football at these 3 schools. Wow!!!! You mean just like most private schools. Must find their own transportation, must sit out a year if they transfer in. As for as for maybe three students at these schools. In 2-A football the right three could make a big difference. And you can't tell me that the coaches a the football schools don't promote their program to these kids.
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Post by eag on Mar 26, 2016 16:03:24 GMT -6
You make a valid point but there are a few things you are not realizing. If a students plays football for one of these schools they must attend that school so they do get counted towards their enrollment numbers, they can't attend one school and play for another. These students must also find their own transportation because a bus will not pick these kids up. Also if a student transferred from a school like Atlanta, Reeves, Converse,etc.they would be ineligible for one year. Reason being because more than likely this student was on a high school roster in the 7th grade and by rule that means that student has already made their school of choice. Let's also consider that the school board would have to approve the transfer and athletics is not a viable transfer excuse. I can promise you there are maybe 3 students at most that live in these small communities that want to play football at these 3 schools. Wow!!!! You mean just like most private schools. Must find their own transportation, must sit out a year if they transfer in. As for as for maybe three students at these schools. In 2-A football the right three could make a big difference. And you can't tell me that the coaches a the football schools don't promote their program to these kids. Funny how it doesn't seem so sinister when they are familiar with the situation, but it really is pretty much similar to a private school except no tuition. And taking any kid who wants to play footballl gives those schools to take athletes without having to count all the rest of the student body, so it creates a roster more similar to a larger school. Hmmmm
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Post by Knowledge is power on Mar 26, 2016 17:06:42 GMT -6
Wow!!!! You mean just like most private schools. Must find their own transportation, must sit out a year if they transfer in. As for as for maybe three students at these schools. In 2-A football the right three could make a big difference. And you can't tell me that the coaches a the football schools don't promote their program to these kids. Funny how it doesn't seem so sinister when they are familiar with the situation, but it really is pretty much similar to a private school except no tuition. And taking any kid who wants to play footballl gives those schools to take athletes without having to count all the rest of the student body, so it creates a roster more similar to a larger school. Hmmmm The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have.
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Post by btown on Mar 26, 2016 18:14:24 GMT -6
Funny how it doesn't seem so sinister when they are familiar with the situation, but it really is pretty much similar to a private school except no tuition. And taking any kid who wants to play footballl gives those schools to take athletes without having to count all the rest of the student body, so it creates a roster more similar to a larger school. Hmmmm The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have. They think those kids can go from one school to another with no issues. That shows they still do not understand the restriction School Boards put on public schools when it comes to attendance zone.
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Post by eag on Mar 28, 2016 7:46:56 GMT -6
Funny how it doesn't seem so sinister when they are familiar with the situation, but it really is pretty much similar to a private school except no tuition. And taking any kid who wants to play footballl gives those schools to take athletes without having to count all the rest of the student body, so it creates a roster more similar to a larger school. Hmmmm The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have. So, are you saying that a kid who lives in Negreet but wants to play football is likely to be prevented from going to the football playing school (Many) by the school board, thus leaving him no option to play football at all? And if it is theoretically possible, how common is it? I am really asking, as my understanding has always been that those type of transfers were pretty well always ok unless there was some issue with the kid. I've always thought that but I'd like to learn more if I am wrong. Now, I'm sure there needs to be a paper trail as mentioned above. That's not what I'm talking about. Im talking about how often is such a move actually prevented.
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Post by btown on Mar 28, 2016 10:21:54 GMT -6
The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have. So, are you saying that a kid who lives in Negreet but wants to play football is likely to be prevented from going to the football playing school (Many) by the school board, thus leaving him no option to play football at all? And if it is theoretically possible, how common is it? I am really asking, as my understanding has always been that those type of transfers were pretty well always ok unless there was some issue with the kid. I've always thought that but I'd like to learn more if I am wrong. Now, I'm sure there needs to be a paper trail as mentioned above. That's not what I'm talking about. Im talking about how often is such a move actually prevented. Cannot speak for that parish, but I do know of some that sports is not valid reason to transfer in certain parishes and that has to do with school boards. Not saying it would not happen but not as easy as people think.
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