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Post by Raven on Mar 28, 2016 11:18:27 GMT -6
So, are you saying that a kid who lives in Negreet but wants to play football is likely to be prevented from going to the football playing school (Many) by the school board, thus leaving him no option to play football at all? And if it is theoretically possible, how common is it? I am really asking, as my understanding has always been that those type of transfers were pretty well always ok unless there was some issue with the kid. I've always thought that but I'd like to learn more if I am wrong. Now, I'm sure there needs to be a paper trail as mentioned above. That's not what I'm talking about. Im talking about how often is such a move actually prevented. Cannot speak for that parish, but I do know of some that sports is not valid reason to transfer in certain parishes and that has to do with school boards. Not saying it would not happen but not as easy as people think. But don't you see? That's exactly what the split supporters have been saying about private schools. While some private schools are able to entice the elite athletes to attend and are able to have nice facilities not all of them put that kind of emphasis on athletics. We aren't saying that it doesn't happen, just that it's not majority and it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. Another major point of contention for the split supporters was that they wanted to put "like schools" together. As many people have pointed out, and some in this thread have shown, not all "traditional" public schools get their students the same way. If a school like Many can pull athletes from other schools, and not have to count all or even a portion of the students from that other school in their enrollment, that is a huge advantage. Not trying to single them out, just using the example that someone else posted. I don't know how many other public schools can do that, but it seems very suspicious that the principle from Many was the driving force to get the split passed to begin with. People were pointing their fingers at Louis Cook and his metro/rural plan claiming that it was self-serving and he was only doing it to better his chances of winning a title. Looks like that may have been exactly was Booker was doing knowing his advantages at Many.
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Post by eag on Mar 28, 2016 12:26:28 GMT -6
Cannot speak for that parish, but I do know of some that sports is not valid reason to transfer in certain parishes and that has to do with school boards. Not saying it would not happen but not as easy as people think. But don't you see? That's exactly what the split supporters have been saying about private schools. While some private schools are able to entice the elite athletes to attend and are able to have nice facilities not all of them put that kind of emphasis on athletics. We aren't saying that it doesn't happen, just that it's not majority and it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. Another major point of contention for the split supporters was that they wanted to put "like schools" together. As many people have pointed out, and some in this thread have shown, not all "traditional" public schools get their students the same way. If a school like Many can pull athletes from other schools, and not have to count all or even a portion of the students from that other school in their enrollment, that is a huge advantage. Not trying to single them out, just using the example that someone else posted. I don't know how many other public schools can do that, but it seems very suspicious that the principle from Many was the driving force to get the split passed to begin with. People were pointing their fingers at Louis Cook and his metro/rural plan claiming that it was self-serving and he was only doing it to better his chances of winning a title. Looks like that may have been exactly was Booker was doing knowing his advantages at Many. you're exactly right. You expressed perfectly my reasons for being against the split. I do not dispute that there are football factories that have huge success and advantages. I simply dispute that all private schools have those same abilities, so they should not all be stigmatized the same way. In fact, according to this post, Many may have some advantages over some of the smaller private schools in more rural areas.
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Post by btown on Mar 28, 2016 12:48:47 GMT -6
Cannot speak for that parish, but I do know of some that sports is not valid reason to transfer in certain parishes and that has to do with school boards. Not saying it would not happen but not as easy as people think. But don't you see? That's exactly what the split supporters have been saying about private schools. While some private schools are able to entice the elite athletes to attend and are able to have nice facilities not all of them put that kind of emphasis on athletics. We aren't saying that it doesn't happen, just that it's not majority and it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. Another major point of contention for the split supporters was that they wanted to put "like schools" together. As many people have pointed out, and some in this thread have shown, not all "traditional" public schools get their students the same way. If a school like Many can pull athletes from other schools, and not have to count all or even a portion of the students from that other school in their enrollment, that is a huge advantage. Not trying to single them out, just using the example that someone else posted. I don't know how many other public schools can do that, but it seems very suspicious that the principle from Many was the driving force to get the split passed to begin with. People were pointing their fingers at Louis Cook and his metro/rural plan claiming that it was self-serving and he was only doing it to better his chances of winning a title. Looks like that may have been exactly was Booker was doing knowing his advantages at Many. I hear what you are saying, but then what do you do with a 2A private school that has 5 middle schools connected to it? Cannot tell me that is not a advantage.
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Post by Raven on Mar 28, 2016 13:12:12 GMT -6
But don't you see? That's exactly what the split supporters have been saying about private schools. While some private schools are able to entice the elite athletes to attend and are able to have nice facilities not all of them put that kind of emphasis on athletics. We aren't saying that it doesn't happen, just that it's not majority and it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. Another major point of contention for the split supporters was that they wanted to put "like schools" together. As many people have pointed out, and some in this thread have shown, not all "traditional" public schools get their students the same way. If a school like Many can pull athletes from other schools, and not have to count all or even a portion of the students from that other school in their enrollment, that is a huge advantage. Not trying to single them out, just using the example that someone else posted. I don't know how many other public schools can do that, but it seems very suspicious that the principle from Many was the driving force to get the split passed to begin with. People were pointing their fingers at Louis Cook and his metro/rural plan claiming that it was self-serving and he was only doing it to better his chances of winning a title. Looks like that may have been exactly was Booker was doing knowing his advantages at Many. I hear what you are saying, but then what do you do with a 2A private school that has 5 middle schools connected to it? Cannot tell me that is not a advantage. You have to take into account the size of those feeder schools. Most have less than 200 kids in grades 1-6. I am guessing that you refer to Notre Dame of Crowley? The only reason those feeder schools still exist is because only the high school grades were consolidated when Notre Dame was built. Prior to the 60s I think each school housed a 1st-12th grade. Someone from that area may have more accurate information than I do. If all those feeder schools were closed and a new elementary school built to hold all those kids were to open, would you still have a problem with it? Even though it's all the same kids now attending one school? I don't see how it's any different.
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Post by eag on Mar 28, 2016 15:32:43 GMT -6
But don't you see? That's exactly what the split supporters have been saying about private schools. While some private schools are able to entice the elite athletes to attend and are able to have nice facilities not all of them put that kind of emphasis on athletics. We aren't saying that it doesn't happen, just that it's not majority and it isn't as easy as some people seem to think. Another major point of contention for the split supporters was that they wanted to put "like schools" together. As many people have pointed out, and some in this thread have shown, not all "traditional" public schools get their students the same way. If a school like Many can pull athletes from other schools, and not have to count all or even a portion of the students from that other school in their enrollment, that is a huge advantage. Not trying to single them out, just using the example that someone else posted. I don't know how many other public schools can do that, but it seems very suspicious that the principle from Many was the driving force to get the split passed to begin with. People were pointing their fingers at Louis Cook and his metro/rural plan claiming that it was self-serving and he was only doing it to better his chances of winning a title. Looks like that may have been exactly was Booker was doing knowing his advantages at Many. I hear what you are saying, but then what do you do with a 2A private school that has 5 middle schools connected to it? Cannot tell me that is not a advantage. If it is advantage, it will show on the field year in and year out. Performance metric takes care of it. If you play like a 3 or 4A team every year in 2A, you need to be reclassified. That way no one has to judge what MIGHT be an advantage, but everyone who actually HAS an advantage will be appropriately handled.
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Post by eag on Mar 28, 2016 15:36:11 GMT -6
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Post by fridaynights on Mar 28, 2016 19:19:01 GMT -6
No kids playing football at Many are out of the Many school zone none. I've been there for ten years and can't remember a kid sitting out and playing for Many. Absolutely NO advantage. The kids living 13 miles up the road in Natchitoches parish or east Texas( in football communities would like to come but absolutely can not). Lol you guys are reaching for things.
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Post by btown on Mar 28, 2016 20:18:31 GMT -6
I hear what you are saying, but then what do you do with a 2A private school that has 5 middle schools connected to it? Cannot tell me that is not a advantage. You have to take into account the size of those feeder schools. Most have less than 200 kids in grades 1-6. I am guessing that you refer to Notre Dame of Crowley? The only reason those feeder schools still exist is because only the high school grades were consolidated when Notre Dame was built. Prior to the 60s I think each school housed a 1st-12th grade. Someone from that area may have more accurate information than I do. If all those feeder schools were closed and a new elementary school built to hold all those kids were to open, would you still have a problem with it? Even though it's all the same kids now attending one school? I don't see how it's any different. So you do not think having 5 middle schools spread out helps your program?
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Post by CrusadingLions on Mar 29, 2016 3:19:34 GMT -6
No kids playing football at Many are out of the Many school zone none. I've been there for ten years and can't remember a kid sitting out and playing for Many. Absolutely NO advantage. The kids living 13 miles up the road in Natchitoches parish or east Texas( in football communities would like to come but absolutely can not). Lol you guys are reaching for things. So you are saying that NO (as in ZERO) kids ever came out of Natchitoches to play for Many? ?
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Post by Footballdad on Mar 29, 2016 7:47:42 GMT -6
I can tell you that MHS has had players from the other parish schools in the past, can't speak as of today. I don't remember them having to sit out after coming from Zwolle or Negreet school zones. Not telling Fridaynights he's wrong now but in the past MHS have had players from the Parish, Mr. Booker actually played on those teams.
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Post by Raven on Mar 29, 2016 9:46:31 GMT -6
You have to take into account the size of those feeder schools. Most have less than 200 kids in grades 1-6. I am guessing that you refer to Notre Dame of Crowley? The only reason those feeder schools still exist is because only the high school grades were consolidated when Notre Dame was built. Prior to the 60s I think each school housed a 1st-12th grade. Someone from that area may have more accurate information than I do. If all those feeder schools were closed and a new elementary school built to hold all those kids were to open, would you still have a problem with it? Even though it's all the same kids now attending one school? I don't see how it's any different. So you do not think having 5 middle schools spread out helps your program? What I'm saying is that it would be no different that having one large middle school with all the same kids attending. If you have 5 middle schools with 40-60 kids in each one, how is that different than one middle school with 200-300 kids?
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Post by Brad on Mar 29, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -6
Anyone know when the House will vote on this bill?
Also, it appears with the exception of one voter, the vote went entirely along Party lines as does most bills in State or Country. Which party has majority in Louisiana?
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Post by Raven on Mar 29, 2016 11:16:11 GMT -6
Right now there is a Republican majority in both houses.
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Post by Brad on Mar 29, 2016 11:32:37 GMT -6
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Post by btown on Mar 30, 2016 9:18:57 GMT -6
Right now there is a Republican majority in both houses. Any news on the vote?
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Post by pioneer on Mar 30, 2016 15:18:46 GMT -6
Passed.
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Post by tocentralhigh on Mar 30, 2016 15:52:00 GMT -6
The schedule says it's on the floor tomorrow for debate.
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Post by Brad on Mar 31, 2016 5:29:43 GMT -6
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Post by attilathehun on Mar 31, 2016 6:14:18 GMT -6
THAT'S what you think the problem is? Not a runaway Legislature that can't even balance a $25 Billion budget? You really are clueless. Actually if you are surprised by the "runaway legislature" then you are the one who is clueless. The legislature has tried more than once to intervene. That was a KNOWN risk. The short term "vote me a trophy" mindset is/was foolish for not seeing this attack coming. I think the LHSAA better stop hoping it will come to nothing and start addressing the issue at the core of this. There is no hope for you. Hope your school joins the new association.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Mar 31, 2016 6:55:55 GMT -6
No kids playing football at Many are out of the Many school zone none. I've been there for ten years and can't remember a kid sitting out and playing for Many. Absolutely NO advantage. The kids living 13 miles up the road in Natchitoches parish or east Texas( in football communities would like to come but absolutely can not). Lol you guys are reaching for things. Wasn't your quarterback who graduated in 2012 from Natchitoches?
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Post by gentlemanjack on Mar 31, 2016 15:31:55 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 18:36:20 GMT -6
Has no chance of passing. We have addressed the issue. We spilt like many states in the country. It's what OUR organization thinks is best. Its what is called scared.
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Post by OICU812 on Mar 31, 2016 22:14:58 GMT -6
Wasn't your quarterback who graduated in 2012 from Natchitoches? Originally from Natchitoches, family made a legitimate move to Many when his dad was hired as a coach there.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 1, 2016 7:01:31 GMT -6
Wasn't your quarterback who graduated in 2012 from Natchitoches? Originally from Natchitoches, family made a legitimate move to Many when his dad was hired as a coach there. Didn't know they had moved, saw in the LC Baseball roster that he graduated from MHS but was from Natchitoches. I've been to a few of the games and saw his parents & always thought they were from Natchotoches. MY BAD? ?
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 1, 2016 8:44:51 GMT -6
Funny how it doesn't seem so sinister when they are familiar with the situation, but it really is pretty much similar to a private school except no tuition. And taking any kid who wants to play footballl gives those schools to take athletes without having to count all the rest of the student body, so it creates a roster more similar to a larger school. Hmmmm The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have. So what you are saying is that these public schools can "deny enrollment" to some students...HAHAHAHAHAHA...the hypocrisy knows no bounds with some of you people...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 8:49:13 GMT -6
It was tabled because it would have been voted down easily. Pure spin by Bonine and Talbot.
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Post by Knowledge is power on Apr 3, 2016 18:48:44 GMT -6
The one thing yall are leaving out and not realizing is that the school board can veto any move a kid wants to make. They can't just walk in the door and enroll. Paperwork must be filled, the other schools principal has to approve and the superintendent has to approve. It's nothing like what privates have. So what you are saying is that these public schools can "deny enrollment" to some students...HAHAHAHAHAHA...the hypocrisy knows no bounds with some of you people... If the student does not live in their school zone I'm sure they can deny them. If the student lives within their zone then they must accept the student, no questions asked. Regardless of grades, attendance history, criminal record, athletic abilities, etc. if they breath then they are accepted,IF they live within the attendance zone. You our are trying to make public schools sound like they can recruit, veto admissions, and sound like a private school it's not working. Their nothing alike. Completely different set of rules and that's ok, that's why there is a split.
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Post by Truthman on Apr 4, 2016 7:05:11 GMT -6
It was tabled because it would have been voted down easily. Pure spin by Bonine and Talbot. The truth is, Bonine is playing both sides of the coin. He personally begged the committee member to pass the the bill out of committee, under the agreement that it would be tabled to "give him time to fix this". What he actually is doing, trying to make good on prior promised he made to influential members of the House. Now, he is also playing the angle that should he not be able to "fix this", that if and when the Legislature were to take over High School Athletics, HE would be appointed and payed by the State of Louisiana to oversee such new administrative duties. The problem Mr. Bonine and the State Legislature has, is getting this past the Full House, a Senate Sub-committee, The Senate, and lastly (and most importantly), The Governor (who has previously pledged not to support such action). However, I put nothing out of the realm of possibility for politics in Louisiana. Here, ultimately, is what will solve this issue. When public schools REFUSE to play select enrollment schools they see as cheaters, something will have to be done. Many of you will say that will never happen. It's already happened nation wide, not in Louisiana just yet, but its coming should anyone attempt to force this issue.
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Post by Raven on Apr 4, 2016 8:28:12 GMT -6
Yep, lots of people fought against desegregation too. Doesn't mean they were right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 8:39:22 GMT -6
It was tabled because it would have been voted down easily. Pure spin by Bonine and Talbot. The truth is, Bonine is playing both sides of the coin. He personally begged the committee member to pass the the bill out of committee, under the agreement that it would be tabled to "give him time to fix this". What he actually is doing, trying to make good on prior promised he made to influential members of the House. Now, he is also playing the angle that should he not be able to "fix this", that if and when the Legislature were to take over High School Athletics, HE would be appointed and payed by the State of Louisiana to oversee such new administrative duties. The problem Mr. Bonine and the State Legislature has, is getting this past the Full House, a Senate Sub-committee, The Senate, and lastly (and most importantly), The Governor (who has previously pledged not to support such action). However, I put nothing out of the realm of possibility for politics in Louisiana. Here, ultimately, is what will solve this issue. When public schools REFUSE to play select enrollment schools they see as cheaters, something will have to be done. Many of you will say that will never happen. It's already happened nation wide, not in Louisiana just yet, but its coming should anyone attempt to force this issue. Does Mr. Bonine not realize that everyone see's through his charade? He's like a petulant child who's trying to pull something over on his parents.
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