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Post by Truthman on Apr 8, 2016 10:53:20 GMT -6
A GREAT example of the Inherent advantage!!! They have an inherent advantage because they have an open house? Public schools have an inherent advantage because they're getting millions to do what they do. If a public school can't figure it out with the money the school boards are raking in, then there are bigger issues at hand. and there are. How much money you have, or dont have, doesnt give you an athletic advantage. Simple formula, if I can control my enrollment, I can control everything. Yes, an open house is most certainly an advantage. Attendees of the open house are from all over. Different zones, parishes, maybe even states depending on the school. No such luxury of enrollment exists for Public schools
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Post by pinion on Apr 8, 2016 11:03:12 GMT -6
They have an inherent advantage because they have an open house? Public schools have an inherent advantage because they're getting millions to do what they do. If a public school can't figure it out with the money the school boards are raking in, then there are bigger issues at hand. and there are. How much money you have, or dont have, doesnt give you an athletic advantage. Simple formula, if I can control my enrollment, I can control everything. Yes, an open house is most certainly an advantage. Attendees of the open house are from all over. Different zones, parishes, maybe even states depending on the school. No such luxury of enrollment exists for Public schools If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time.
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Post by Gisseles kid on Apr 8, 2016 11:25:04 GMT -6
How much money you have, or dont have, doesnt give you an athletic advantage. Simple formula, if I can control my enrollment, I can control everything. Yes, an open house is most certainly an advantage. Attendees of the open house are from all over. Different zones, parishes, maybe even states depending on the school. No such luxury of enrollment exists for Public schools If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Magnet school are select schools in most cases. Thanks for making my point. Fault has nothing to do with competitive advantage. Private schools students(parents) have a choice to attend. Attendence IS NOT up to the LHSAA, you are correct, classification options is up to the LHSAA. Open house at a public school has no bearing as the local tax dollars that fund such a school DO NOT travel with an out of zoned student (via property or sales tax) Thus the reason public school seldom if ever take out of zoned kids by MUST take ALL of the zoned kids (inablilty to control enrollment) Byrd is a select school, they should be good. Parkway has had a run, but it is cyclical. Not true in John Curtis, Calvalry, Parkview, ND, etc....so forth. You can throw out all the what ifs ya want. Bottom line is currently no less than 30 states are dealing with this Private/Public (select/non select) issue. In Louisiana we have chosen to handle it this way...............within the rules of the association, and democratically. Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. Thats the real problem. Now the private sector is having a harder time using kids, almost always along racial lines, for the betterment of their athletic programs.
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Post by Raven on Apr 8, 2016 12:27:33 GMT -6
If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Magnet school are select schools in most cases. Thanks for making my point. Fault has nothing to do with competitive advantage. Private schools students(parents) have a choice to attend. Attendence IS NOT up to the LHSAA, you are correct, classification options is up to the LHSAA. Open house at a public school has no bearing as the local tax dollars that fund such a school DO NOT travel with an out of zoned student (via property or sales tax) Thus the reason public school seldom if ever take out of zoned kids by MUST take ALL of the zoned kids (inablilty to control enrollment) Byrd is a select school, they should be good. Parkway has had a run, but it is cyclical. Not true in John Curtis, Calvalry, Parkview, ND, etc....so forth. You can throw out all the what ifs ya want. Bottom line is currently no less than 30 states are dealing with this Private/Public (select/non select) issue. In Louisiana we have chosen to handle it this way...............within the rules of the association, and democratically. Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. Thats the real problem. Now the private sector is having a harder time using kids, almost always along racial lines, for the betterment of their athletic programs. Make up another usermane in an attempt to fool people into believing there are more split supporters? How many can you think of? "Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. Thats the real problem. " Umm... no. Not in the least. Private school and charter school numbers are growing quickly. With more of the latter popping up every year. You can try to deny all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It won't be long before traditional public schools are the minority in this state.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 8, 2016 13:16:19 GMT -6
If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Magnet school are select schools in most cases. Thanks for making my point. Fault has nothing to do with competitive advantage. Private schools students(parents) have a choice to attend. Attendence IS NOT up to the LHSAA, you are correct, classification options is up to the LHSAA. Open house at a public school has no bearing as the local tax dollars that fund such a school DO NOT travel with an out of zoned student (via property or sales tax) Untrue, they report a total enrollment. Many parents falsify address with an apartment or other address (auntie, uncle, side friend) that lives in the zone.Thus the reason public school seldom if ever take out of zoned kids by MUST take ALL of the zoned kids (inablilty to control enrollment) NieveByrd is a select school, they should be good. Parkway has had a run, but it is cyclical. Not true in John Curtis, Calvalry, Parkview, ND, etc....so forth. Curtis has not won a state championship in 3 years. When they played in 4A it was Cyclical. Same thing for e in 5A. Parkview has been cyclical also. Notre Dame is highly cyclical but all these schools cycle at a different level than the average public school.You can throw out all the what ifs ya want. Bottom line is currently no less than 30 states are dealing with this Private/Public (select/non select) issue. In Louisiana we have chosen to handle it this way...............within the rules of the association, and democratically. Both of these points are debateable. Many believe the vote was illegal according to LHSAA bylaw but it never received a proper day in court. Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. No they won't. You misunderstand why parents send their kids to private schools. Those parents who do it for athletes only get discouraged and move their kids back to the public school. You have done nothing to diminish the alure of private schools. In fact you have enhanced it by making them even more appealing and ultimately they will be released from the public school restrictions enforced by the LHSAA. Thats the real problem. Now the private sector is having a harder time using kids, almost always along racial lines, for the betterment of their athletic programs. While public schools force kids along racial lines into substandard buildings, that leak in the rain, have mold and poor construction. Private schools do not use kids, they FREE them from their public school masters who work to keep them mired in a failed educational system. That is why private schools flourish in New Orleans, Baton Rouge and Lafayette.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 8, 2016 17:55:27 GMT -6
only an inherent advantage in the small classes... you should have came to the Chalmette Holy Cross baseball game last night and told both teams they shouldn't be able to play each other in the state playoffs... wonder how that would have went over
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 8, 2016 18:05:45 GMT -6
It is against the LHSAA rules for any coach to ask a kid or a kid's parents to come to their school and play sports. They cannot ask them. How many of your neighbors own unicorns. Do some of them have lolly pop gardens. That's why at the Jefferson Parish youth track meet you had two coaches from a west bank NEW ORLEANS PUBLIC SCHOOL in the stands with a note pads. Oh they wouldn't be there to scout kids for their program, they're a public school. i hope we were there lol...
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Post by Singular on Apr 11, 2016 7:17:54 GMT -6
only an inherent advantage in the small classes... you should have came to the Chalmette Holy Cross baseball game last night and told both teams they shouldn't be able to play each other in the state playoffs... wonder how that would have went over I agree 100%. Smaller classes are the ones getting screwed. 4A and 5A should all be together. 3A should vote on their decision 1A and 2A should be split, in all sports.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 9:19:08 GMT -6
How much money you have, or dont have, doesnt give you an athletic advantage. Simple formula, if I can control my enrollment, I can control everything. Yes, an open house is most certainly an advantage. Attendees of the open house are from all over. Different zones, parishes, maybe even states depending on the school. No such luxury of enrollment exists for Public schools If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Public schools don't need an open house because they do not compete for students. Their students are automatically bused in from the local school board. It is a fact that the largest private schools in the state are 1/3 the size of the public schools. They do not AUTOMATICALLY get student numbers. Instead we have to work to secure the existing students coming out of the private feeder system and make our private schools more desirable than the public system. The real cause of split was the feeling of ownership. Private school people feel they own and have a right to all the students in a zone. Yet, the parents of those children are all looking for a better, safer and more successful alternative. Until the public system rids itself of the sense of entitlement and ownership, they will fail to draw the better students and the better athletes to their schools.
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Post by dite on Apr 11, 2016 9:55:02 GMT -6
If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Public schools don't need an open house because they do not compete for students. Their students are automatically bused in from the local school board. It is a fact that the largest private schools in the state are 1/3 the size of the public schools. They do not AUTOMATICALLY get student numbers. Instead we have to work to secure the existing students coming out of the private feeder system and make our private schools more desirable than the public system. The real cause of split was the feeling of ownership. Private school people feel they own and have a right to all the students in a zone. Yet, the parents of those children are all looking for a better, safer and more successful alternative. Until the public system rids itself of the sense of entitlement and ownership, they will fail to draw the better students and the better athletes to their schools. Lol, ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that. In ANY other grouping of people in the world, makes no difference what, if we cull out the bad, keep the good, the product is always better. I didnt notice all the golfers from the general Augusta area playing yesterday in the the final round of the Masters. If they had, I feel sure they would have won.............right?
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Post by pinion on Apr 11, 2016 10:58:35 GMT -6
If you think having plenty of money isn't an advantage, you have no understanding of how the world works, and certainly not a sports program. Public schools control their enrollment; magnet schools. Aside from that, it's no fault of the private schools that public schools obtain students the way they do. It's not a sports related problem and it's certainly not one that private schools chose for the public schools. If public schools want to choose students differently, then that's up to the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. If a public school wants to have an open house, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything preventing them from doing it. Other than lack of commitment to a serious sports program. If someone from out of the school board inflicted "zone" wants to go there, that kid will be there. Take a pile of all that money and build a big stadium, a nice weight room, and a huge fancy locker room and kids will find a way to go to your school. Byrd and Parkway are great examples in the Shreveport area. They both find the money to make things happen and they're both sitting with good programs. Southwood has no stadium, aged facilities, and practically no interest from parents or the school (for football) and they're the homecoming team for everyone most of the time. Magnet school are select schools in most cases. Thanks for making my point. Fault has nothing to do with competitive advantage. Private schools students(parents) have a choice to attend. Attendence IS NOT up to the LHSAA, you are correct, classification options is up to the LHSAA. Open house at a public school has no bearing as the local tax dollars that fund such a school DO NOT travel with an out of zoned student (via property or sales tax) Thus the reason public school seldom if ever take out of zoned kids by MUST take ALL of the zoned kids (inablilty to control enrollment) Byrd is a select school, they should be good. Parkway has had a run, but it is cyclical. Not true in John Curtis, Calvalry, Parkview, ND, etc....so forth. You can throw out all the what ifs ya want. Bottom line is currently no less than 30 states are dealing with this Private/Public (select/non select) issue. In Louisiana we have chosen to handle it this way...............within the rules of the association, and democratically. Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. Thats the real problem. Now the private sector is having a harder time using kids, almost always along racial lines, for the betterment of their athletic programs. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but uh. Byrd is playing in Non-Select. So yeah. There's that. are there any magnet schools playing in Select? Okay, so "fault" was a bad choice of words. If there is a "competitive advantage" (as you claim), that's due to how public schoolboards do and/or do not choose their students. Public schools have a choice as to what kids they do or do not use on their team. That's "selective".
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Post by Truthman on Apr 11, 2016 11:04:50 GMT -6
Magnet school are select schools in most cases. Thanks for making my point. Fault has nothing to do with competitive advantage. Private schools students(parents) have a choice to attend. Attendence IS NOT up to the LHSAA, you are correct, classification options is up to the LHSAA. Open house at a public school has no bearing as the local tax dollars that fund such a school DO NOT travel with an out of zoned student (via property or sales tax) Thus the reason public school seldom if ever take out of zoned kids by MUST take ALL of the zoned kids (inablilty to control enrollment) Byrd is a select school, they should be good. Parkway has had a run, but it is cyclical. Not true in John Curtis, Calvalry, Parkview, ND, etc....so forth. You can throw out all the what ifs ya want. Bottom line is currently no less than 30 states are dealing with this Private/Public (select/non select) issue. In Louisiana we have chosen to handle it this way...............within the rules of the association, and democratically. Now that the alure of playing at the local private school has been taken away considering public schools no longer have to compete against said private in playoff competition, more and more kids are chosing to stay at their local public school. Thats the real problem. Now the private sector is having a harder time using kids, almost always along racial lines, for the betterment of their athletic programs. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but uh. Byrd is playing in Non-Select. So yeah. There's that. are there any magnet schools playing in Select? Okay, so "fault" was a bad choice of words. If there is a "competitive advantage" (as you claim), that's due to how public schoolboards do and/or do not choose their students. Public schools have a choice as to what kids they do or do not use on their team. That's "selective". I hate to be the one to break it to YOU, but Byrd NOW is back in Select. We have returned to the assigned school zones, as opposed to Parish bounaries. Will take affect 2016-2017 school year. Who you allow to play or not play is now what makes you select. What makes you select is the ability to SELECT the grouping from which you can pick a team, therefore, controlling your culture. The ENTIRE purpose of a private school is SELECTIVE ENROLLMENT.
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Post by eag on Apr 11, 2016 11:34:44 GMT -6
Public schools don't need an open house because they do not compete for students. Their students are automatically bused in from the local school board. It is a fact that the largest private schools in the state are 1/3 the size of the public schools. They do not AUTOMATICALLY get student numbers. Instead we have to work to secure the existing students coming out of the private feeder system and make our private schools more desirable than the public system. The real cause of split was the feeling of ownership. Private school people feel they own and have a right to all the students in a zone. Yet, the parents of those children are all looking for a better, safer and more successful alternative. Until the public system rids itself of the sense of entitlement and ownership, they will fail to draw the better students and the better athletes to their schools. Lol, ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that. In ANY other grouping of people in the world, makes no difference what, if we cull out the bad, keep the good, the product is always better. I didnt notice all the golfers from the general Augusta area playing yesterday in the the final round of the Masters. If they had, I feel sure they would have won.............right? This argument get so tired. "Culling" the student body only works to make you have more successful athletic teams if you cull for athletic reasons. This idea that private schools are sitting there poring over applications and picking the best athletes maybe true in a very select few private school, but it is certainly not true for all. The majority of them will take anyone willing to pay the tuition. If they do select, it is usually on the basis of academics, service, and the like. That will have no significant affect on athletic teams. The golf at augusta yesterday was quite good because they selected golfers to put on the course. If they had selected the best cattle farmers, i'd venture to say that a rank-and-file Augusta area golf enthusiast might well have been able to win! Selecting only works in regards to the trait you select for.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 11:55:44 GMT -6
Lol, ok buddy. Keep telling yourself that. In ANY other grouping of people in the world, makes no difference what, if we cull out the bad, keep the good, the product is always better. I didnt notice all the golfers from the general Augusta area playing yesterday in the the final round of the Masters. If they had, I feel sure they would have won.............right? This argument get so tired. "Culling" the student body only works to make you have more successful athletic teams if you cull for athletic reasons. This idea that private schools are sitting there poring over applications and picking the best athletes maybe true in a very select few private school, but it is certainly not true for all. The majority of them will take anyone willing to pay the tuition. If they do select, it is usually on the basis of academics, service, and the like. That will have no significant affect on athletic teams. The golf at augusta yesterday was quite good because they selected golfers to put on the course. If they had selected the best cattle farmers, i'd venture to say that a rank-and-file Augusta area golf enthusiast might well have been able to win! Selecting only works in regards to the trait you select for. The idea of "Culling" for athletic purposes is absurd. NO one does this in the state of Louisiana. It is another fabrication of the public school minions fermenting hate. If we can be accused of "CULLING" it would be for the disruptive and unable to academically compete, but athletically. There are some who cannot take the academic rigors of most private schools due to a lack of discipline and devotion to education. No successful private school has even a majority of outstanding athlete's walking their halls. That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage private schools and charter schools in general.
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Post by Truthman on Apr 11, 2016 12:28:33 GMT -6
This argument get so tired. "Culling" the student body only works to make you have more successful athletic teams if you cull for athletic reasons. This idea that private schools are sitting there poring over applications and picking the best athletes maybe true in a very select few private school, but it is certainly not true for all. The majority of them will take anyone willing to pay the tuition. If they do select, it is usually on the basis of academics, service, and the like. That will have no significant affect on athletic teams. The golf at augusta yesterday was quite good because they selected golfers to put on the course. If they had selected the best cattle farmers, i'd venture to say that a rank-and-file Augusta area golf enthusiast might well have been able to win! Selecting only works in regards to the trait you select for. The idea of "Culling" for athletic purposes is absurd. NO one does this in the state of Louisiana. It is another fabrication of the public school minions fermenting hate. If we can be accused of "CULLING" it would be for the disruptive and unable to academically compete, but athletically. There are some who cannot take the academic rigors of most private schools due to a lack of discipline and devotion to education. No successful private school has even a majority of outstanding athlete's walking their halls. That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage private schools and charter schools in general. So, your assertion is that John Curtis HS, Calvary, ND, and other accept all that enroll in their school? Your asseretion is that NEVER in the history of HS athletic, in the state of Louisiana, has a student been induced to attend a private school for athletic purposes and that same student would also be induced had he/she NOT been superior athletically? That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage public schools in general.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 12:36:43 GMT -6
So, your assertion is that John Curtis HS, Calvary, ND, and other accept all that enroll in their school? Your asseretion is that NEVER in the history of HS athletic, in the state of Louisiana, has a student been induced to attend a private school for athletic purposes and that same student would also be induced had he/she NOT been superior athletically? That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage public schools in general. So, your assertion is that WM HS, Neville, Acadiana, and other accept all that go out for football from their school? Your assertion is that NEVER in the history of HS athletics, in the state of Louisiana, has a student been recruited (on TV, on a national show (DJ Banks) to attend a public school for athletic purposes and that same student would also be induced had he/she NOT been superior athletically? Nor would his/her family been offered a job and apartment to live in while attending. That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage all schools in general.
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Post by eag on Apr 11, 2016 12:57:43 GMT -6
The idea of "Culling" for athletic purposes is absurd. NO one does this in the state of Louisiana. It is another fabrication of the public school minions fermenting hate. If we can be accused of "CULLING" it would be for the disruptive and unable to academically compete, but athletically. There are some who cannot take the academic rigors of most private schools due to a lack of discipline and devotion to education. No successful private school has even a majority of outstanding athlete's walking their halls. That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage private schools and charter schools in general. So, your assertion is that John Curtis HS, Calvary, ND, and other accept all that enroll in their school? Your asseretion is that NEVER in the history of HS athletic, in the state of Louisiana, has a student been induced to attend a private school for athletic purposes and that same student would also be induced had he/she NOT been superior athletically? That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage public schools in general. I'll answer. Sure, some schools have done that. Public and private. But you cannot, no matter how much you want to, divide the issue as a public/private issue. It is an 'emphasis on athletics' issue. That is why it is best addressed by a committee or a success metric. Show me where Ecole Classique has an inordinate number of athletes. Clearly they do, as you and other split supporters dumped them out on their butts along with Curtis. If this reclassing of EC is appropriate, you should be able to provide objective data to back up the claim. If you cannot, and EC does not have excessive athleticism, then the current split is exposed as a horrible solution to a problem. Which one is it? Has to be one or the other.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 11, 2016 13:45:50 GMT -6
The idea of "Culling" for athletic purposes is absurd. NO one does this in the state of Louisiana. It is another fabrication of the public school minions fermenting hate. If we can be accused of "CULLING" it would be for the disruptive and unable to academically compete, but athletically. There are some who cannot take the academic rigors of most private schools due to a lack of discipline and devotion to education. No successful private school has even a majority of outstanding athlete's walking their halls. That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage private schools and charter schools in general. So, your assertion is that John Curtis HS, Calvary, ND, and other accept all that enroll in their school? Your asseretion is that NEVER in the history of HS athletic, in the state of Louisiana, has a student been induced to attend a private school for athletic purposes and that same student would also be induced had he/she NOT been superior athletically? That concept is either pure ignorance or a willful attempt to disparage public schools in general. That is all your opinion and not factual. All of the mentions schools have registration standards. NONE of those standards are based on athletic ability. They are all based on ability to succeed at each particular school based on past academic and behavior record. Some schools even have a minimum test score requirement on an entrance exam. NONE of that is based on athletic ability. When the LHSAA finds that students are "INDUCED" to attend any school public or private, they are declared ineligible. So can you give me ONE proven case where at any of your mentioned schools a student received an inducement? No you cannot. Now you need to make sure you understand what is an actual inducement. If financial assistance to attend a school is also given to the general population, that is not an inducement. If you give clothing that others do not receive, it is an inducement. If you pay the parents CASH, that is an inducement. Offering tuition assistance is not if there is a prescribed and registered process for the LHSAA to review. And let me tell you, they review them in detail. At STM it is in the handbook and all students are able to apply for financial assistance and then a review board approves it based on a predetermined criteria. Not one of those criteria are based on athletic capability. That is what I am saying. I do know of schools that have been caught offering inducements, in the same zone as STM. Comeaux HIgh. They recruited the kids out of the STM summer football program and the Acadiana principal turned Comeaux with proof of the inducements from Comeaux. Both were public high schools. One of those kids just transferred out of ULL's basketball program a couple of weeks ago. Any student who meets the academic, behavioral, religious and financial requirements will be gladly accepted into any of those schools. Your assumption is that if ANY superior athlete attends a private school he was induced. I will say, rather his parents were induced because they want a better, safer, academic opportunity for their kids and that is all the inducement they need. I have seen kids come into the private school system from the public in 9th grading thinking that they were going to be the great stud, only to find out after the first 6 weeks report cards, that they cannot do the academic regimen. These schools are not like Ohio State where Cardele Jones looks at class work as unnecessary and a burden. (todays news) Finally, my assertion is that you cannot prove any of your accusations that any student was illegally induced to attend any of these schools. The LHSAA looks at them in detail annually and NONE have been penalized for offering inducements. So where is your proof of you accusation? After all, are we not all innocent until proven guilty? Or does just the accusation preclude guilt? Obviously in the LHSAA family it is the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 10:21:34 GMT -6
So you are saying all mentioned allow all that apply enter their schools? Thats dumb.
Select school people always want to defend that they "dont recruit". OK, lets pretend thats true. Defend that you dont deny enrollment. Convince me.
Doesnt matter anyway. You're not that stupid. We all know the truth. Its over boys. Enjoy your watered down league.
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Post by pinion on Apr 12, 2016 10:47:25 GMT -6
I hate to be the one to break this to you, but uh. Byrd is playing in Non-Select. So yeah. There's that. are there any magnet schools playing in Select? Okay, so "fault" was a bad choice of words. If there is a "competitive advantage" (as you claim), that's due to how public schoolboards do and/or do not choose their students. Public schools have a choice as to what kids they do or do not use on their team. That's "selective". I hate to be the one to break it to YOU, but Byrd NOW is back in Select. We have returned to the assigned school zones, as opposed to Parish bounaries. Will take affect 2016-2017 school year. Who you allow to play or not play is now what makes you select. What makes you select is the ability to SELECT the grouping from which you can pick a team, therefore, controlling your culture. The ENTIRE purpose of a private school is SELECTIVE ENROLLMENT. That's good to know. My biggest issue with this has been that only certain "select" schools were being held to those standards. So it doesn't break my heart at all if magnet schools are being made to play in the "select" category. I disagree on what you said about the purpose of the split though. It is not and never has been about leveling the playing field or making things "fair". It has always been about trying to find a way to draw kids away from private schools because kids going to a private school are lost dollars for public schools. So as it stands, you should be tickled about the way things are. You certainly seem to be. That being said, why are you still trying to sell an idea that's currently in practice? Why keep preaching the same (false) message when we have the split you wanted? Since you have the split, maybe it's time for you to STFU and move on to something else.. Just putting it out there.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Apr 12, 2016 10:50:58 GMT -6
I hate to be the one to break it to YOU, but Byrd NOW is back in Select. We have returned to the assigned school zones, as opposed to Parish bounaries. Will take affect 2016-2017 school year. Who you allow to play or not play is now what makes you select. What makes you select is the ability to SELECT the grouping from which you can pick a team, therefore, controlling your culture. The ENTIRE purpose of a private school is SELECTIVE ENROLLMENT. That's good to know. My biggest issue with this has been that only certain "select" schools were being held to those standards. So it doesn't break my heart at all if magnet schools are being made to play in the "select" category. I disagree on what you said about the purpose of the split though. It is not and never has been about leveling the playing field or making things "fair". It has always been about trying to find a way to draw kids away from private schools because kids going to a private school are lost dollars for public schools. So as it stands, you should be tickled about the way things are. You certainly seem to be. That being said, why are you still trying to sell an idea that's currently in practice? Why keep preaching the same (false) message when we have the split you wanted? Since you have the split, maybe it's time for you to STFU and move on to something else.. Just putting it out there. What I don't get is the thinking that kids will remain in public schools bc they have their own championship. They're still the same schools they were before. Parents are choosing private bc they actually learn and put the kids first, and they'd choose private even if sports didn't exist
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 11:16:55 GMT -6
Any and all educators worth a grain of salt understand that when you take the elite students, put them in ANY school, and then keep the struggling kids, or the ones who have no interest in an education out, you will AUTOMATICALLY have a "good school"
Its very, very, simple. If you can control your enrollment, you have an advantage in almost everyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 11:18:39 GMT -6
That's good to know. My biggest issue with this has been that only certain "select" schools were being held to those standards. So it doesn't break my heart at all if magnet schools are being made to play in the "select" category. I disagree on what you said about the purpose of the split though. It is not and never has been about leveling the playing field or making things "fair". It has always been about trying to find a way to draw kids away from private schools because kids going to a private school are lost dollars for public schools. So as it stands, you should be tickled about the way things are. You certainly seem to be. That being said, why are you still trying to sell an idea that's currently in practice? Why keep preaching the same (false) message when we have the split you wanted? Since you have the split, maybe it's time for you to STFU and move on to something else.. Just putting it out there. What I don't get is the thinking that kids will remain in public schools bc they have their own championship. They're still the same schools they were before. Parents are choosing private bc they actually learn and put the kids first, and they'd choose private even if sports didn't exist And you are correct, to some degree. Those parents who are choosing to send their kids to private schools for a better learning enviroment, will still do so. HOWEVER, those parents who are choosing for OTHER reasons (athletic), will now think twice. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Not conjecture. FACT
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Post by Raven on Apr 12, 2016 12:06:02 GMT -6
What I don't get is the thinking that kids will remain in public schools bc they have their own championship. They're still the same schools they were before. Parents are choosing private bc they actually learn and put the kids first, and they'd choose private even if sports didn't exist And you are correct, to some degree. Those parents who are choosing to send their kids to private schools for a better learning enviroment, will still do so. HOWEVER, those parents who are choosing for OTHER reasons (athletic), will now think twice. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Not conjecture. FACT You have, in fact, done just the opposite. By creating the select-playoffs you have effectively told all the kids at the traditional schools that they are unable to compete at that level. That creates an even bigger mystique around the select schools, which will only serve to draw the more talented kids there. Then they can tout their achievement of being "selected" to attend University High or Catholic or Rummel or wherever. That notoriety will then spur more athletes to try to get into those schools who will then get better without doing a lick of recruiting at all. How do you not see that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 12:13:03 GMT -6
And you are correct, to some degree. Those parents who are choosing to send their kids to private schools for a better learning enviroment, will still do so. HOWEVER, those parents who are choosing for OTHER reasons (athletic), will now think twice. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Not conjecture. FACT You have, in fact, done just the opposite. By creating the select-playoffs you have effectively told all the kids at the traditional schools that they are unable to compete at that level. That creates an even bigger mystique around the select schools, which will only serve to draw the more talented kids there. Then they can tout their achievement of being "selected" to attend University High or Catholic or Rummel or wherever. That notoriety will then spur more athletes to try to get into those schools who will then get better without doing a lick of recruiting at all. How do you not see that? Because, thats not what has happened in other states, and not what is happening here. No one has said anyone is better than anyone. The "split" as its known by the haters, is merely another way of classification based on how a school attains, retains, and denys enrollment. How can you not see that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 12:14:05 GMT -6
The TRUTH is, the "split" HURTS select schools, that why you are bellyaching so much. It HURTS the mystic.
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Post by Raven on Apr 12, 2016 14:28:08 GMT -6
You have, in fact, done just the opposite. By creating the select-playoffs you have effectively told all the kids at the traditional schools that they are unable to compete at that level. That creates an even bigger mystique around the select schools, which will only serve to draw the more talented kids there. Then they can tout their achievement of being "selected" to attend University High or Catholic or Rummel or wherever. That notoriety will then spur more athletes to try to get into those schools who will then get better without doing a lick of recruiting at all. How do you not see that? Because, thats not what has happened in other states, and not what is happening here. No one has said anyone is better than anyone. The "split" as its known by the haters, is merely another way of classification based on how a school attains, retains, and denys enrollment. How can you not see that? And as we all know, Louisiana is just like every other state. You don't want to believe it will happen here, but it already is happening. No other state in the union has the tradition of private school education that Louisiana does. No other state has the percentage of students attending private schools that Louisiana does. As much as you want Louisiana to be like other states and to react like other states, it just doesn't happen that way here. And while it may never have been SAID that select schools are better, it has certainly been implied. The fact that the split playoffs has even been voted into being is a very bold STATEMENT that says that very thing.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 13, 2016 8:49:09 GMT -6
Any and all educators worth a grain of salt understand that when you take the elite students, put them in ANY school, and then keep the struggling kids, or the ones who have no interest in an education out, you will AUTOMATICALLY have a "good school" Its very, very, simple. If you can control your enrollment, you have an advantage in almost everyway. What you complain about big boob, with private schools is actually going on at public schools. Lafayette High parents are now upset that Comeaux High starting in a couple of years will also be a "Gifted" High school. Kid go to Academies in Lafayette Parish by a lottery after they is determined by testing, grade point and behavior to go to Comeaux and Lafayette High. (In the advertiser today) They are selecting the best students and keeping out the "non-select" student. Acadiana has a selection process for kids to attend it's academic programs too. Meanwhile some kids are forced into failed Northside simply because of residency. So will all Lafayette Parish school be sent over to "Select"? Here is the answer NO!!!!! www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2016/04/11/lpss-proposes-sweeping-changes-academies-gifted-services/82888170/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 8:54:25 GMT -6
Any and all educators worth a grain of salt understand that when you take the elite students, put them in ANY school, and then keep the struggling kids, or the ones who have no interest in an education out, you will AUTOMATICALLY have a "good school" Its very, very, simple. If you can control your enrollment, you have an advantage in almost everyway. What you complain about big boob, with private schools is actually going on at public schools. Lafayette High parents are now upset that Comeaux High starting in a couple of years will also be a "Gifted" High school. Kid go to Academies in Lafayette Parish by a lottery after they is determined by testing, grade point and behavior to go to Comeaux and Lafayette High. (In the advertiser today) They are selecting the best students and keeping out the "non-select" student. Acadiana has a selection process for kids to attend it's academic programs too. Meanwhile some kids are forced into failed Northside simply because of residency. So will all Lafayette Parish school be sent over to "Select"? Here is the answer NO!!!!! www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2016/04/11/lpss-proposes-sweeping-changes-academies-gifted-services/82888170/Any school that has over 25% kids from out of district will be select.
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 13, 2016 9:00:21 GMT -6
OK, so what about a school like Vermilion Catholic? If 75% or more of their kids are from the Abbeville school district, do they get to be non-select? Doubtful.
Your use of ANY is also inaccurate. I'm using rounded numbers here, but Barbe gets approximately 500 of its 2000 students (25%) from out of its school zone. Will they be select as well? Also doubtful.
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