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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:08:19 GMT -6
According to the Football Rule book (2013-15) section 14.8 states that the district champ/1st place finisher & runner-up automatically make playoffs, then the wildcard's are selected by a committee. I'm all for the kids earning district honors and state honors, the difference is the district honors include all schools in that district while state honors are separated into "select" & "non-select" I think (I may be wrong on the state honors, if I am please let me know). I just don't understand that if they can compete in district why not the playoffs. I went to a public school and only made playoffs 1 year, but it was earned. When a team that's 2-8, 1-9, or 0-10 make playoffs that isn't earning the spot in the playoffs, that's being given something. I understand why the split came to be but if the rules are enforced to every team in the LHSAA then I fail to understand why we can't all compete together. I know that the power rankings are for seeding in the brackets. Your issue is the easiest fix of all and all pro split people I have talked to are in favor, 16 team brackets. That means ot 0-10 teams making playoffs. Simple fix, I agree. I prefer the 24 team bracket with the top 8 teams getting first round byes, but I think everyone can certainly live with a 16 team bracket.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 9:09:54 GMT -6
Back to my 1st question---If the rules are enforced across the board on every school, would you be in favor of coming back together for the playoffs?
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:11:55 GMT -6
Back to my 1st question---If the rules are enforced across the board on every school, would you be in favor of coming back together for the playoffs? No. As long as private schools have no attendance zone they have a big advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 9:26:39 GMT -6
Back to my 1st question---If the rules are enforced across the board on every school, would you be in favor of coming back together for the playoffs? The problem is the same problem we have with nearly any law or rule. Enforcement is nearly impossible. When you have a segment (select schools) who are given opportunity to attain, deny, and retain enrollment over non defined boundary, then the temptation to do the same thing for athletic purposes proves to much for those with less integrity. PROVING that this happened is nearly impossible, as the kid, the parents, and the school, will seldom if ever "rat themselves" out. Public schools have defined boundaries. Even when and if people there have less than admirable integrity, it is MUCH harder to pull of the same "bait and switch" mode of student enrollment
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 9:34:14 GMT -6
Back to my 1st question---If the rules are enforced across the board on every school, would you be in favor of coming back together for the playoffs? No. As long as private schools have no attendance zone they have a big advantage. So do some of the rural public schools, for example (I've used this before): Sabine Parish only 1 school offers football, so any kid in the Parish can go to Many High School that wants to as long as that student has their own transportation. MHS now has an advantage over other 2A schools because they can get students out of their attendance zone. Many High School and Menard High School, in the same district are similar in this because Menard is the only Catholic High School in Rapides Parish, so if a parent wants to send their child to a Catholic school Menard is the only one. What do you think the attendance zones for private schools be? Getting students from out of zone is an easy fix, put a multiplier (1.5) on each student that attends. This can be for both private & public schools, I know no public school ever has anyone that it's not zoned for. With the voucher program though a student from a failing school can attend another school either private or public that it's not zoned for. This way the rule can be enforced across the board.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 9:43:44 GMT -6
Back to my 1st question---If the rules are enforced across the board on every school, would you be in favor of coming back together for the playoffs? The problem is the same problem we have with nearly any law or rule. Enforcement is nearly impossible. When you have a segment (select schools) who are given opportunity to attain, deny, and retain enrollment over non defined boundary, then the temptation to do the same thing for athletic purposes proves to much for those with less integrity. PROVING that this happened is nearly impossible, as the kid, the parents, and the school, will seldom if ever "rat themselves" out. Public schools have defined boundaries. Even when and if people there have less than admirable integrity, it is MUCH harder to pull of the same "bait and switch" mode of student enrollment Bob I can see where this may happen in the metro areas, but I haven't seen or hear about this happening much in the rural areas. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I haven't heard about it. I agree that it is hard to prove, but if a committee would look into each transfer and investigate it then maybe the schools/adm with "less integrity" will get caught. As far as Public Schools have boundaries see what I posted above about Sabine Parish.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:44:47 GMT -6
No. As long as private schools have no attendance zone they have a big advantage. So do some of the rural public schools, for example (I've used this before): Sabine Parish only 1 school offers football, so any kid in the Parish can go to Many High School that wants to as long as that student has their own transportation. MHS now has an advantage over other 2A schools because they can get students out of their attendance zone. Many High School and Menard High School, in the same district are similar in this because Menard is the only Catholic High School in Rapides Parish, so if a parent wants to send their child to a Catholic school Menard is the only one. What do you think the attendance zones for private schools be? Getting students from out of zone is an easy fix, put a multiplier (1.5) on each student that attends. This can be for both private & public schools, I know no public school ever has anyone that it's not zoned for. With the voucher program though a student from a failing school can attend another school either private or public that it's not zoned for. This way the rule can be enforced across the board. Private schools should not have attendance zones, that is why they are select. My deal with split is the principals have never been allowed to improve on they system, always fighting to keep what they have. If it does not move forward then I will evlauate the system again and give a opinion. Schools Boards are the cause of alot of our issues. They all have different rules, which LHSAA cannot control. One parish allows transfers for kids that what to play a sport that another school does have the sport. I know of one parish that does allow sports as a reason to transfer. As for as Many it sounds like Sabine parish is there attendance zone for football. School Board only decides to put money into one school for football.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 9:46:23 GMT -6
No. As long as private schools have no attendance zone they have a big advantage. So do some of the rural public schools, for example (I've used this before): Sabine Parish only 1 school offers football, so any kid in the Parish can go to Many High School that wants to as long as that student has their own transportation. MHS now has an advantage over other 2A schools because they can get students out of their attendance zone. Many High School and Menard High School, in the same district are similar in this because Menard is the only Catholic High School in Rapides Parish, so if a parent wants to send their child to a Catholic school Menard is the only one. What do you think the attendance zones for private schools be? Getting students from out of zone is an easy fix, put a multiplier (1.5) on each student that attends. This can be for both private & public schools, I know no public school ever has anyone that it's not zoned for. With the voucher program though a student from a failing school can attend another school either private or public that it's not zoned for. This way the rule can be enforced across the board. Also how many parishes does Menard draw kids from?
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Post by gentsandpios on Apr 27, 2016 9:49:41 GMT -6
So do some of the rural public schools, for example (I've used this before): Sabine Parish only 1 school offers football, so any kid in the Parish can go to Many High School that wants to as long as that student has their own transportation. MHS now has an advantage over other 2A schools because they can get students out of their attendance zone. Many High School and Menard High School, in the same district are similar in this because Menard is the only Catholic High School in Rapides Parish, so if a parent wants to send their child to a Catholic school Menard is the only one. What do you think the attendance zones for private schools be? Getting students from out of zone is an easy fix, put a multiplier (1.5) on each student that attends. This can be for both private & public schools, I know no public school ever has anyone that it's not zoned for. With the voucher program though a student from a failing school can attend another school either private or public that it's not zoned for. This way the rule can be enforced across the board. Also how many parishes does Menard draw kids from? [ Do you think Menard creates an athletic disadvantage for non-select schools? I understand you can say they can, but do you believe they have?
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Post by OICU812 on Apr 27, 2016 9:54:23 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing students from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made.
Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined..
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 9:54:57 GMT -6
I agree that the Principals haven't been given the opportunity to evaluate & try to fix the problems. However, they did vote to split all the "Major Sports" which makes me believe that the majority of Principals not only like the split but think that it's working. If they wanted to they could have come with a plan to tweak the split instead of just voting to spit all the "Major Sports".
I've seen a bunch of ideas on this forum that could help fix the split, either being able to come back together by using a multiplier or a committee that can move a school up or down in classification or by making the "non-select" brackets smaller. All of these are good ideas that may not work by themselves but together they might be able to work.
Just my two cents.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 27, 2016 9:57:44 GMT -6
So do some of the rural public schools, for example (I've used this before): Sabine Parish only 1 school offers football, so any kid in the Parish can go to Many High School that wants to as long as that student has their own transportation. MHS now has an advantage over other 2A schools because they can get students out of their attendance zone. Many High School and Menard High School, in the same district are similar in this because Menard is the only Catholic High School in Rapides Parish, so if a parent wants to send their child to a Catholic school Menard is the only one. What do you think the attendance zones for private schools be? Getting students from out of zone is an easy fix, put a multiplier (1.5) on each student that attends. This can be for both private & public schools, I know no public school ever has anyone that it's not zoned for. With the voucher program though a student from a failing school can attend another school either private or public that it's not zoned for. This way the rule can be enforced across the board. Private schools should not have attendance zones, that is why they are select. Private schools have attendance zones assigned by the LHSAA, but that is not good enough for the split principals. Instead of working to change the rules, they throw the private schools out of the State Championships.My deal with split is the principals have never been allowed to improve on they system, always fighting to keep what they have. If it does not move forward then I will evlauate the system again and give a opinion. No one, nor the LHSAA has ever tried to stop improvement, only to stop isolationist. Removing the private schools from the State Championship to a Division Championship has not improved the State Champion it has weakened it. YYou will not get the option because the private schools are going to sue the LHSAA and leave the organization with discrimination as the basis. Schools Boards are the cause of alot of our issues. They all have different rules, which LHSAA cannot control. One parish allows transfers for kids that what to play a sport that another school does have the sport. I know of one parish that does allow sports as a reason to transfer. As for as Many it sounds like Sabine parish is there attendance zone for football. School Board only decides to put money into one school for football. Agreed, but school boards are not under the control of the LHSAA. So next once the private schools leave the LHSAA, schools like Many and West Monroe will be singled out and sent to a separate division based on the parish transfer rule. After, having only one high school in a parish, or worst, one high school that is allowed to participate in football gives them an inherent and blatant advantage over the other schools in surrounding parishes that can only accept students from a smaller attendance zone.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 10:05:11 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing students from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made. Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined.. Yes, Menard can have students from other Parishes. This is where the multiplier for out of zone/parish however you want to say it could come in. The transfer rule applies to all member schools. The only way they don't sit is if it's their school of choice, incoming freshman year. Thanks for the update on state honors, didn't know.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 27, 2016 10:15:08 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing students from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made. Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined.. Those EXACT same rules exist for private schools. They have an attendance zone, They are allowed feeder schools just like public schools. Plus, ANY one transferring after the 6th grade to a feeder MUST sit out one year. It is why some schools do not play freshman on their varsity or JV teams. The rules are the same for both Public and private, you come from out of zone, or from not a feeder school, you have to sit out. STM has it's own feeder system. If you come from one of those schools within the catholic diocese you are eligible, those being, St. Cecilia Broussard, Comeaux attendance zone, part of the Diocese feeder system to STM and an owner parish for STM, ST. Pious X, same as St. Cecilia, Cathedral, owner parish, feeder school but in the Lafayette High zone and Fatima same as Cathedral. STM was established when they consolidated Cathedral and Fatima into one school. If you attend STM from any public elementary school in the Comeaux High School attendance zone your eligible. If you come from the Lafayette High attendance zone your are ineligible and have to sit out as well as any other elementary or middle school in parish. If you went to public school in St. Martin, Acadia, St. Landry or Iberia parish you are ineligible for one year and have to sit out of varsity sports. The LHSAA reviews and investigates this EVERY year with reports and spot checks, some have even come the day of a playoff game at the last minute.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 10:50:08 GMT -6
Nope, not the same.
True, in any LHSAA school if you transfer in, you must sit one year. Not a problem. Everyone does it, correct. What is not true is that you will ONLY take kids from your "feeder system". If fact, because of the very nature of your school, you will take kids from anywhere in the United States (and possibly other countries) if the are accepeted into your school by whoever does that for you guys. Public schools have ATTENDANCE ZONES and will ONLY accept kids that prove they live in those zones. Do some kids slip through the cracks, falsify address, etc? Sure, not often, but sometimes. In your school NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ZONE!!!!
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Post by pinion on Apr 27, 2016 11:14:29 GMT -6
Nope, not the same. True, in any LHSAA school if you transfer in, you must sit one year. Not a problem. Everyone does it, correct. What is not true is that you will ONLY take kids from your "feeder system". If fact, because of the very nature of your school, you will take kids from anywhere in the United States (and possibly other countries) if the are accepeted into your school by whoever does that for you guys. Public schools have ATTENDANCE ZONES and will ONLY accept kids that prove they live in those zones. Do some kids slip through the cracks, falsify address, etc? Sure, not often, but sometimes. In your school NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ZONE!!!! Evangel has an attendance zone. So, I'm not sure what your problem is. They take kids from elsewhere, but that child must sit out a year before they can play. so that fixes anyone just showing up and getting on the field. That should be enough. But somehow (no surprise), it's not. All the while, you fail to see that public school boards set attendance zones. Not the LHSAA, not private schools, and football coaches, not you, not me. The school board does it. Find another angle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 11:20:42 GMT -6
Nope, not the same. True, in any LHSAA school if you transfer in, you must sit one year. Not a problem. Everyone does it, correct. What is not true is that you will ONLY take kids from your "feeder system". If fact, because of the very nature of your school, you will take kids from anywhere in the United States (and possibly other countries) if the are accepeted into your school by whoever does that for you guys. Public schools have ATTENDANCE ZONES and will ONLY accept kids that prove they live in those zones. Do some kids slip through the cracks, falsify address, etc? Sure, not often, but sometimes. In your school NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ZONE!!!! Evangel has an attendance zone. So, I'm not sure what your problem is. They take kids from elsewhere, but that child must sit out a year before they can play. so that fixes anyone just showing up and getting on the field. That should be enough. But somehow (no surprise), it's not. All the while, you fail to see that public school boards set attendance zones. Not the LHSAA, not private schools, and football coaches, not you, not me. The school board does it. Find another angle. NOPE, Evangel has an attendance zone for athletics, NOT FOR ENROLLMENT. All public schools have enrollment zones. PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT. Sitting out a year is a mute point. Kid arrives in 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th................so what? They wouldnt be playing varsity anyway. You know the difference. Playing ignorant is not gonna help.
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Post by eag on Apr 27, 2016 11:36:55 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing students from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made. Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined.. Maybe they can draw students from Mars, but it is pretty clear that they are not using this potential advantage for the purposes of creating an athletic factory. It is pretty evident just by looking at their decent but not spectacular record on the field. Many is clearly better, especially of late, if you look at the records. It is probably because Many can have all the football playing kids in Sabine without having to have 4A enrollment numbers, and without having to worry about them having enough money to pay tuition. It also likely can keep kids with minor discipline issues that. might be pushed out the door at a private school. Advantage Many, and this can be seen on the field. Between these two individual schools, not public/private in general, which one would you bet your house on if you had to for a single game? Or even a string of 10 games? Which school has more potential D1 players? Which has a more storied history? Further illustration that the issue needs to be tackled on the individual school level ( success metric,multiplier, committee, whatever) instead of a straight public/private split.
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Post by eag on Apr 27, 2016 11:37:38 GMT -6
Nope, not the same. True, in any LHSAA school if you transfer in, you must sit one year. Not a problem. Everyone does it, correct. What is not true is that you will ONLY take kids from your "feeder system". If fact, because of the very nature of your school, you will take kids from anywhere in the United States (and possibly other countries) if the are accepeted into your school by whoever does that for you guys. Public schools have ATTENDANCE ZONES and will ONLY accept kids that prove they live in those zones. Do some kids slip through the cracks, falsify address, etc? Sure, not often, but sometimes. In your school NONE OF THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ZONE!!!! What does the split give you that a system that moves schools up as needed does not give you?
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 12:19:29 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing students from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made. Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined.. Yes, Menard can have students from other Parishes. This is where the multiplier for out of zone/parish however you want to say it could come in. The transfer rule applies to all member schools. The only way they don't sit is if it's their school of choice, incoming freshman year. Thanks for the update on state honors, didn't know. LHSAA cannot police simple transfer rules, how are the going to enforce multipliers? They will not be able to, that is why I like the split.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 12:26:37 GMT -6
Yes, Menard can have students from other Parishes. This is where the multiplier for out of zone/parish however you want to say it could come in. The transfer rule applies to all member schools. The only way they don't sit is if it's their school of choice, incoming freshman year. Thanks for the update on state honors, didn't know. LHSAA cannot police simple transfer rules, how are the going to enforce multipliers? They will not be able to, that is why I like the split. btown I agree that LHSAA doesn't do a good job on enforcing the rules for everybody. There is another topic on this that may work. I think you've posted on it if not,it is titled the fix is right in front of us, there are some good ideas on it. If you haven't read it, check it out and see if you see a beginning to a solution. It's a shame that a group of principals can't get together (both public & private) and come up with a solution that everyone can live with to get all schools back together. Everyone doesn't have to like it but compromise is getting some things and giving up some things.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 12:30:14 GMT -6
LHSAA cannot police simple transfer rules, how are the going to enforce multipliers? They will not be able to, that is why I like the split. btown I agree that LHSAA doesn't do a good job on enforcing the rules for everybody. There is another topic on this that may work. I think you've posted on it if not,it is titled the fix is right in front of us, there are some good ideas on it. If you haven't read it, check it out and see if you see a beginning to a solution. It's a shame that a group of principals can't get together (both public & private) and come up with a solution that everyone can live with to get all schools back together. Everyone doesn't have to like it but compromise is getting some things and giving up some things. Do not think about the split when I ask you this question. If were the majority group to voted something in and every turn you were being backed door by someone or somegroup, whould you be opened minded to work with the other side or would you be in defense mode all the time?
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Post by Raven on Apr 27, 2016 12:34:52 GMT -6
Yes, Menard can have students from other Parishes. This is where the multiplier for out of zone/parish however you want to say it could come in. The transfer rule applies to all member schools. The only way they don't sit is if it's their school of choice, incoming freshman year. Thanks for the update on state honors, didn't know. LHSAA cannot police simple transfer rules, how are the going to enforce multipliers? They will not be able to, that is why I like the split. The LHSAA handles multipliers already for all-boys and all-girls schools. They multiply their enrollment x2. It's simple and effective, just as any multiplier would be.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 12:39:18 GMT -6
btown I agree that LHSAA doesn't do a good job on enforcing the rules for everybody. There is another topic on this that may work. I think you've posted on it if not,it is titled the fix is right in front of us, there are some good ideas on it. If you haven't read it, check it out and see if you see a beginning to a solution. It's a shame that a group of principals can't get together (both public & private) and come up with a solution that everyone can live with to get all schools back together. Everyone doesn't have to like it but compromise is getting some things and giving up some things. Do not think about the split when I ask you this question. If were the majority group to voted something in and every turn you were being backed door by someone or somegroup, whould you be opened minded to work with the other side or would you be in defense mode all the time? Yes I would be defensive. That is why, I think, the only way the schools can ever get back together is if a group of principals (both public & private) get together and come up with a solution. Even then I'm not sure if it will pass. If that doesn't pass I would be for the private schools to form their own league/association or join a different one, even if it's the MAIS. I'm not for the split, but understand some of what the split supporters feel are the problems. I just wish the principals wouldn't have taken a shotgun approach. Identify the problem and find a solution.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:39:51 GMT -6
BTOWN beat me to it....Menard is capable of drawing studYeents from any where it wants. Many's must come from within the parish, and are subject to all transfer rules. They must sit out a year unless a full move into the zone is made. Select and non-select state awards are not different by the way. All-state teams are combined.. Maybe they can draw students from Mars, but it is pretty clear that they are not using this potential advantage for the purposes of creating an athletic factory. It is pretty evident just by looking at their decent but not spectacular record on the field. Many is clearly better, especially of late, if you look at the records. It is probably because Many can have all the football playing kids in Sabine without having to have 4A enrollment numbers, and without having to worry about them having enough money to pay tuition. It also likely can keep kids with minor discipline issues that. might be pushed out the door at a private school. Advantage Many, and this can be seen on the field. Between these two individual schools, not public/private in general, which one would you bet your house on if you had to for a single game? Or even a string of 10 games? Which school has more potential D1 players? Which has a more storied history? Further illustration that the issue needs to be tackled on the individual school level ( success metric,multiplier, committee, whatever) instead of a straight public/private split. Yes, everyone feels sorry for Evangel, not that the mediocre coaching along with Calvary getting the bulk of the mercenary players, has ended the dominance. As for Many, do a little research on the kids zoned for other schools that play football at Many. You will find a big, fat, zero. If you are talking about history, lets...........how long did it take Evangel and Calvary to vault to athletic power..............now...........lets study Many's up and down years. We all know, You know, its just your bubble had been burst. Shhhhhhhh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:43:33 GMT -6
LHSAA cannot police simple transfer rules, how are the going to enforce multipliers? They will not be able to, that is why I like the split. The LHSAA handles multipliers already for all-boys and all-girls schools. They multiply their enrollment x2. It's simple and effective, just as any multiplier would be. Simple yes, effective no. Check the states that already use multipliers. Tell you what, give Plain Dealing Calvarys top 10 players, count all students at PD as many as you want, puts them in what........2A, maybe 3A? So what, they instantly were super competitive and championship caliber. Multipliers are like Brer Rabbit............PLEASE dont throw me in that briar patch!!!!
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 12:43:48 GMT -6
Do not think about the split when I ask you this question. If were the majority group to voted something in and every turn you were being backed door by someone or somegroup, whould you be opened minded to work with the other side or would you be in defense mode all the time? Yes I would be defensive. That is why, I think, the only way the schools can ever get back together is if a group of principals (both public & private) get together and come up with a solution. Even then I'm not sure if it will pass. If that doesn't pass I would be for the private schools to form their own league/association or join a different one, even if it's the MAIS. I'm not for the split, but understand some of what the split supporters feel are the problems. I just wish the principals wouldn't have taken a shotgun approach. Identify the problem and find a solution. In time the system will develope into something everyone likes, just has never be able to move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:47:44 GMT -6
Yes I would be defensive. That is why, I think, the only way the schools can ever get back together is if a group of principals (both public & private) get together and come up with a solution. Even then I'm not sure if it will pass. If that doesn't pass I would be for the private schools to form their own league/association or join a different one, even if it's the MAIS. I'm not for the split, but understand some of what the split supporters feel are the problems. I just wish the principals wouldn't have taken a shotgun approach. Identify the problem and find a solution. In time the system will develope into something everyone likes, just has never be able to move forward. Agree 100%. When the elite have had their way for SO long, they really rebel at equality sought by the oppressed. DOWN TO THE MAN!!!!
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Post by eag on Apr 27, 2016 12:51:22 GMT -6
Maybe they can draw students from Mars, but it is pretty clear that they are not using this potential advantage for the purposes of creating an athletic factory. It is pretty evident just by looking at their decent but not spectacular record on the field. Many is clearly better, especially of late, if you look at the records. It is probably because Many can have all the football playing kids in Sabine without having to have 4A enrollment numbers, and without having to worry about them having enough money to pay tuition. It also likely can keep kids with minor discipline issues that. might be pushed out the door at a private school. Advantage Many, and this can be seen on the field. Between these two individual schools, not public/private in general, which one would you bet your house on if you had to for a single game? Or even a string of 10 games? Which school has more potential D1 players? Which has a more storied history? Further illustration that the issue needs to be tackled on the individual school level ( success metric,multiplier, committee, whatever) instead of a straight public/private split. Yes, everyone feels sorry for Evangel, not that the mediocre coaching along with Calvary getting the bulk of the mercenary players, has ended the dominance. As for Many, do a little research on the kids zoned for other schools that play football at Many. You will find a big, fat, zero. If you are talking about history, lets...........how long did it take Evangel and Calvary to vault to athletic power..............now...........lets study Many's up and down years. We all know, You know, its just your bubble had been burst. Shhhhhhhh Good grief you can be tough to have a reasoned discussion with. I am trying to arrive at what you actually see as wrong with proposals I've made. You have been clearly told what I think is wrong with the split -- it makes small, normal private schools and puts them in a worse position. As far as the discussion of Many vs Menard above --Many can have kids that would otherwise go to non-football schools in Sabine Parish, but does not have to take the non-football kids. I don't know if they do, but they can. By your own words, that is more important than if they do. Now, instead of insulting me or discussing schools I never once mentioned, can you tell me what is wrong specifically with an Indiana-type proposal? What does it not give you? It certainly solves the problem of competitive balance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:54:21 GMT -6
The real problem is all these private schools recruiting out of Pre-Pre-K. You see little Studly running the wrong way at the t-ball park with his diaper dragging the ground behind him and think to yourself. Man that kid really can run. Lets recruit him for high school, we can get him going in the right direction eventually. Mom, Dad send t-boy to private school so he can play for us. Here some cash to help out for the next 14-16 years worth of financial investment depending if he is a dummy or not. LOL..... REally. Some of you people have no idea the sacrifice parents make to send their kids to private school much less the cost of having an unpaid (scholarhip) child in any school. Pre-school and elementary registration (low end estimates) $250 annually, Tuition $3500 annually = $37,500. Does not include participation fees for 5-8th grade sports. Up to $250 per year per kid for multi-sports. Now your up to $40K. And that's per child. If you have 3 kids all going to Private school your up over $120K out of pocket and now we are going to a private high school. Registration Fees jump to $500 per year and tuition to $10K out of pocket $42K without sports participation. If little stud johnny is only a one sport stud, and he will not be , you have participation fees to pay depending on school up to $400 per year plus some sports require additional fees. Easily, for one kid at a private school to participate $2K for 4 years. Then there are uniform cost, testing cost, books to buy, computer and lab fees. From start to finish you could easily put out $250K and more for 3 kids to go to a private school. Now, if I find out they are giving a kid a free ride, and he is taking my kids place on the starting lineup, someone is going to get an ear full. All that magic money flying around is just crazy. Yeah. hahaha. I remember when Brock Berlin was at ECA and they were facerolling everyone. I heard a lot of people talking about how Evangel had recruited him "all the way from Florida". He was in 3rd or 4th grade when they moved to Shreveport. Nobody can look at a kid that young and tell if they're going to make a great quarterback. Professionals often have a hard time telling if a college QB is going to be okay in the NFL. Do you remember when the WR from Logansport was a senior, and moved to Evangel? I do.
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