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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 19:55:41 GMT -6
I saw where someone stated this in the debate about the split. It is very telling. If you believe this, then you are simply not capable of problem solving.
We really need people who can see past their bias to actually solve this issue.
Here is one idea: establish the performance committee and have the known powerhouses or whoever has the athlete/student population ratio imbalance (this needs to be defined) and make them account for every student athlete on the team. When did they enroll in school, how much is the tuition charged?, who pays it? Is it paid monthly or lump sum? Standard proof of legit move, etc. on the whole team annually. Make coaches responsible for violations (like NCAA show cause), treat public and private the same since we know these issues are not one sided. Then allow the committee to have leeway to punish. Add a clause in the bylaws that member schools agree to be subject to the decisions of the committee. That will reduce the court challenges since it is agreed upon as a condition of membership. Just some ideas...
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 21, 2016 4:26:46 GMT -6
I saw where someone stated this in the debate about the split. It is very telling. If you believe this, then you are simply not capable of problem solving. We really need people who can see past their bias to actually solve this issue. Here is one idea: establish the performance committee and have the known powerhouses or whoever has the athlete/student population ratio imbalance (this needs to be defined) and make them account for every student athlete on the team. When did they enroll in school, how much is the tuition charged?, who pays it? Is it paid monthly or lump sum? Standard proof of legit move, etc. on the whole team annually. Make coaches responsible for violations (like NCAA show cause), treat public and private the same since we know these issues are not one sided. Then allow the committee to have leeway to punish. Add a clause in the bylaws that member schools agree to be subject to the decisions of the committee. That will reduce the court challenges since it is agreed upon as a condition of membership. Just some ideas... I'm all for it as long as public schools are also held to the same standard. Of course we know no one pays tuition there, which eliminates a major hurdle for transfers. West Monroe, Barbe, Neville and many others have gotten transfers recently that don't appear to pass the smell test.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 6:04:26 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though
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Post by btown on Apr 21, 2016 6:13:27 GMT -6
I saw where someone stated this in the debate about the split. It is very telling. If you believe this, then you are simply not capable of problem solving. We really need people who can see past their bias to actually solve this issue. Here is one idea: establish the performance committee and have the known powerhouses or whoever has the athlete/student population ratio imbalance (this needs to be defined) and make them account for every student athlete on the team. When did they enroll in school, how much is the tuition charged?, who pays it? Is it paid monthly or lump sum? Standard proof of legit move, etc. on the whole team annually. Make coaches responsible for violations (like NCAA show cause), treat public and private the same since we know these issues are not one sided. Then allow the committee to have leeway to punish. Add a clause in the bylaws that member schools agree to be subject to the decisions of the committee. That will reduce the court challenges since it is agreed upon as a condition of membership. Just some ideas... LHSAA has rules that they cannot enforce. Whether it is good idea or bad idea how will you get LHSAA to enforce. Most issue people have there are rules in LHSAA to prevent just not enforced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 8:07:14 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 21, 2016 8:32:43 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all Not a bad idea, but I would like to see some sort of committee set up for hardship transfers. Not gonna try to list all but ex: death of parent, divorce, or something like that. No reason to further punish a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 9:08:59 GMT -6
Agreed. I think a hardship committee (NOT Eddie Bonine) should decide this.
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Post by eag on Apr 21, 2016 9:39:44 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all First, let me state that I'm not against something like this, especially if there is a committee assigned to evaluate for a truly necessary transfer. That said, I guess I'm just living in a bubble, but how common do you really think it is that kids are shifting schools at 10 years old in order to position themselves to play a sport 5 years later? I guess it would seem to me that most kids transferring at 5th or 6th grade are doing it for reasons more 'personal' than that. I'd hate to see a kid whose parents bought a new house in another school zone when he was 10 miss his sopre year of high school sports because of it. That's why for me it would be better if the clock started later, like about 8th grade. But, like I said, I could live with it if there was a way to evaluate for real legitimate transfers. I guess I'm of the point of view that athletics and extracurriculars are very important within the school you attend but not important enough to be the reason you pick a certain school. You play for the pride of the school you go to, not that you go to the school you'd be proud to play for if that makes sense. Maybe I'm in a great minority though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 10:02:55 GMT -6
Happens all the time. As soon as children begin falling by the wayside athletically from their classmates, parents begin moving. If a kid moves for "other reasons" like you say, then that could be evaluated in the hardship. Bottom line is actually, the great minority move for "other reasons". Parents know the loopholes, so fix them. Simple. Having an early date to move in order not to be penalized, forces a parent to make a decision.
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Post by laprepfb on Apr 21, 2016 11:00:08 GMT -6
I've long argued that this would be a good policy. I think you would find that the vast vast majority of Catholic school kids have always been Catholic school kids.
Now I'm sure there will still be complaints that ND gets kids from Iota, Rayne, etc. I suspect that pretty much all of those kids are from Catholic feeder schools and have been since Pre-K, Kindergarten or whatever.
I also say what's good for one side is good for the other. For example if a kid goes to Catholic school K-8 and then decides to go to Crowley High or Barbe then they should sit too.
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Post by eag on Apr 21, 2016 11:10:36 GMT -6
Happens all the time. As soon as children begin falling by the wayside athletically from their classmates, parents begin moving. If a kid moves for "other reasons" like you say, then that could be evaluated in the hardship. Bottom line is actually, the great minority move for "other reasons". Parents know the loopholes, so fix them. Simple. Having an early date to move in order not to be penalized, forces a parent to make a decision. OK. I don't dispute that though in my world I don't think it was the case. Agree that as long as cases can be evaluated then I like the rule. It goes both ways as it should. I absolutely feel like kids who switch schools solely for sports are missing the point of athletics. Definitely OK with making that harder.
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Post by pinion on Apr 21, 2016 11:20:13 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all so what if I want to put my kid at "school A" and there is a waiting list to get him in there and he ends up not being able to attend until 7th grade because of a waiting list? Or what if move across town? Not to mention that there are feeder schools (middle) that feed 2 or more different high schools. Who's going to make sure those public school coaches are not trying to convince little Johnny to choose his school over the other? I think punishing a kid in high school for something that happened in 6th grade is retarded. But that's just me. Personally, I don't give a rip and none of that would have affected me anyway. my step son started at private school when he moved here from NorthCarolina. Which.... is somewhat funny. You people think that private schools are all about trying to get some athletes in to play football. We enrolled my son at Evangel and nobody saw him until a week into the school year when he got to Louisiana. We paid tuition and they were happy to have him, regardless of his physical condition. they certainly had no way of knowing that he's was a budding monster. He's not blood related to me and his mom is Korean, so there was no reason to assume he would be pushing 6ft in the 7th grade.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 12:33:21 GMT -6
If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all so what if I want to put my kid at "school A" and there is a waiting list to get him in there and he ends up not being able to attend until 7th grade because of a waiting list? Or what if move across town? Not to mention that there are feeder schools (middle) that feed 2 or more different high schools. Who's going to make sure those public school coaches are not trying to convince little Johnny to choose his school over the other? I think punishing a kid in high school for something that happened in 6th grade is retarded. But that's just me. Personally, I don't give a rip and none of that would have affected me anyway. my step son started at private school when he moved here from NorthCarolina. Which.... is somewhat funny. You people think that private schools are all about trying to get some athletes in to play football. We enrolled my son at Evangel and nobody saw him until a week into the school year when he got to Louisiana. We paid tuition and they were happy to have him, regardless of his physical condition. they certainly had no way of knowing that he's was a budding monster. He's not blood related to me and his mom is Korean, so there was no reason to assume he would be pushing 6ft in the 7th grade. Yes, you are correct. Evangel has always lived by the integrity and intent of all LHSAA rules regarding athletes............always. Ask anyone
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 22, 2016 7:59:19 GMT -6
One thing that was mentioned to both sides was 1-yr ineligibility regardless of move. Public school coaches agreed with the principals if this was the case we most likely wouldn't have a split. If you are not in the attendance zone of either public or private you must sit for one calendar year no matter what. It needs to be proposed, we would agree to that. I have a feeling basketball schools wouldn't like it though If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all Ok, I am in for this too. Here is your scenario: Lives in Lafayette, LA going to Lafayette High feeder. IN 5th grade, I sell my house in December and move into home in Broussard a New Southside High school feeder. Now my 10 year old is ineligible to play any sport at any high school other than Lafayette High until he is 17? Right? If I sell my home in Lafayette and move to Crowley, LA same scenario within that 50 miles no play until 17. Or to Livonia, or to Eunice or Franklin. But if I move to Lake Charles 76 miles away, I can play at Barbe. Sweet!!!! That's a rule with some teeth. NEEVVVEER WILL happen.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 22, 2016 10:00:38 GMT -6
so what if I want to put my kid at "school A" and there is a waiting list to get him in there and he ends up not being able to attend until 7th grade because of a waiting list? Or what if move across town? Not to mention that there are feeder schools (middle) that feed 2 or more different high schools. Who's going to make sure those public school coaches are not trying to convince little Johnny to choose his school over the other? I think punishing a kid in high school for something that happened in 6th grade is retarded. But that's just me. Personally, I don't give a rip and none of that would have affected me anyway. my step son started at private school when he moved here from NorthCarolina. Which.... is somewhat funny. You people think that private schools are all about trying to get some athletes in to play football. We enrolled my son at Evangel and nobody saw him until a week into the school year when he got to Louisiana. We paid tuition and they were happy to have him, regardless of his physical condition. they certainly had no way of knowing that he's was a budding monster. He's not blood related to me and his mom is Korean, so there was no reason to assume he would be pushing 6ft in the 7th grade. Yes, you are correct. Evangel has always lived by the integrity and intent of all LHSAA rules regarding athletes............always. Ask anyone The real problem is all these private schools recruiting out of Pre-Pre-K. You see little Studly running the wrong way at the t-ball park with his diaper dragging the ground behind him and think to yourself. Man that kid really can run. Lets recruit him for high school, we can get him going in the right direction eventually. Mom, Dad send t-boy to private school so he can play for us. Here some cash to help out for the next 14-16 years worth of financial investment depending if he is a dummy or not. LOL..... REally. Some of you people have no idea the sacrifice parents make to send their kids to private school much less the cost of having an unpaid (scholarhip) child in any school. Pre-school and elementary registration (low end estimates) $250 annually, Tuition $3500 annually = $37,500. Does not include participation fees for 5-8th grade sports. Up to $250 per year per kid for multi-sports. Now your up to $40K. And that's per child. If you have 3 kids all going to Private school your up over $120K out of pocket and now we are going to a private high school. Registration Fees jump to $500 per year and tuition to $10K out of pocket $42K without sports participation. If little stud johnny is only a one sport stud, and he will not be , you have participation fees to pay depending on school up to $400 per year plus some sports require additional fees. Easily, for one kid at a private school to participate $2K for 4 years. Then there are uniform cost, testing cost, books to buy, computer and lab fees. From start to finish you could easily put out $250K and more for 3 kids to go to a private school. Now, if I find out they are giving a kid a free ride, and he is taking my kids place on the starting lineup, someone is going to get an ear full. All that magic money flying around is just crazy.
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Post by pinion on Apr 22, 2016 11:05:35 GMT -6
so what if I want to put my kid at "school A" and there is a waiting list to get him in there and he ends up not being able to attend until 7th grade because of a waiting list? Or what if move across town? Not to mention that there are feeder schools (middle) that feed 2 or more different high schools. Who's going to make sure those public school coaches are not trying to convince little Johnny to choose his school over the other? I think punishing a kid in high school for something that happened in 6th grade is retarded. But that's just me. Personally, I don't give a rip and none of that would have affected me anyway. my step son started at private school when he moved here from NorthCarolina. Which.... is somewhat funny. You people think that private schools are all about trying to get some athletes in to play football. We enrolled my son at Evangel and nobody saw him until a week into the school year when he got to Louisiana. We paid tuition and they were happy to have him, regardless of his physical condition. they certainly had no way of knowing that he's was a budding monster. He's not blood related to me and his mom is Korean, so there was no reason to assume he would be pushing 6ft in the 7th grade. Yes, you are correct. Evangel has always lived by the integrity and intent of all LHSAA rules regarding athletes............always. Ask anyone I don't have to ask anyone. I was there the first year they put a team on the field and I've been around the program since then. So, no. I really don't need to ask. My experience in listening to others discuss Evangel has been an insane amount of misinformation and outright lies. While there have been a few instances where the LHSAA ruled against them, that certainly doesn't mean any rules were deliberately violated.
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Post by pinion on Apr 22, 2016 11:11:02 GMT -6
Yes, you are correct. Evangel has always lived by the integrity and intent of all LHSAA rules regarding athletes............always. Ask anyone The real problem is all these private schools recruiting out of Pre-Pre-K. You see little Studly running the wrong way at the t-ball park with his diaper dragging the ground behind him and think to yourself. Man that kid really can run. Lets recruit him for high school, we can get him going in the right direction eventually. Mom, Dad send t-boy to private school so he can play for us. Here some cash to help out for the next 14-16 years worth of financial investment depending if he is a dummy or not. LOL..... REally. Some of you people have no idea the sacrifice parents make to send their kids to private school much less the cost of having an unpaid (scholarhip) child in any school. Pre-school and elementary registration (low end estimates) $250 annually, Tuition $3500 annually = $37,500. Does not include participation fees for 5-8th grade sports. Up to $250 per year per kid for multi-sports. Now your up to $40K. And that's per child. If you have 3 kids all going to Private school your up over $120K out of pocket and now we are going to a private high school. Registration Fees jump to $500 per year and tuition to $10K out of pocket $42K without sports participation. If little stud johnny is only a one sport stud, and he will not be , you have participation fees to pay depending on school up to $400 per year plus some sports require additional fees. Easily, for one kid at a private school to participate $2K for 4 years. Then there are uniform cost, testing cost, books to buy, computer and lab fees. From start to finish you could easily put out $250K and more for 3 kids to go to a private school. Now, if I find out they are giving a kid a free ride, and he is taking my kids place on the starting lineup, someone is going to get an ear full. All that magic money flying around is just crazy. Yeah. hahaha. I remember when Brock Berlin was at ECA and they were facerolling everyone. I heard a lot of people talking about how Evangel had recruited him "all the way from Florida". He was in 3rd or 4th grade when they moved to Shreveport. Nobody can look at a kid that young and tell if they're going to make a great quarterback. Professionals often have a hard time telling if a college QB is going to be okay in the NFL.
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Post by iknownuthing on Apr 25, 2016 9:15:25 GMT -6
The real problem is all these private schools recruiting out of Pre-Pre-K. You see little Studly running the wrong way at the t-ball park with his diaper dragging the ground behind him and think to yourself. Man that kid really can run. Lets recruit him for high school, we can get him going in the right direction eventually. Mom, Dad send t-boy to private school so he can play for us. Here some cash to help out for the next 14-16 years worth of financial investment depending if he is a dummy or not. LOL..... REally. Some of you people have no idea the sacrifice parents make to send their kids to private school much less the cost of having an unpaid (scholarhip) child in any school. Pre-school and elementary registration (low end estimates) $250 annually, Tuition $3500 annually = $37,500. Does not include participation fees for 5-8th grade sports. Up to $250 per year per kid for multi-sports. Now your up to $40K. And that's per child. If you have 3 kids all going to Private school your up over $120K out of pocket and now we are going to a private high school. Registration Fees jump to $500 per year and tuition to $10K out of pocket $42K without sports participation. If little stud johnny is only a one sport stud, and he will not be , you have participation fees to pay depending on school up to $400 per year plus some sports require additional fees. Easily, for one kid at a private school to participate $2K for 4 years. Then there are uniform cost, testing cost, books to buy, computer and lab fees. From start to finish you could easily put out $250K and more for 3 kids to go to a private school. Now, if I find out they are giving a kid a free ride, and he is taking my kids place on the starting lineup, someone is going to get an ear full. All that magic money flying around is just crazy. Yeah. hahaha. I remember when Brock Berlin was at ECA and they were facerolling everyone. I heard a lot of people talking about how Evangel had recruited him "all the way from Florida". He was in 3rd or 4th grade when they moved to Shreveport. Nobody can look at a kid that young and tell if they're going to make a great quarterback. Professionals often have a hard time telling if a college QB is going to be okay in the NFL. Heck, elite college coaches have a hard time determining if high school juniors are going to become great college quarterbacks. Just look at the boondoggle at the QB position at LSU. You would think that one of the wealthiest most successful football programs in the history of the sport could actually recruit a qualified QB? But it's been years since they had a real QB and leader of the team on and off the field. Look for the same ole results this year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 6:48:55 GMT -6
If everyone TRULY wants to do away with a split, and TRULY wants kids at their school for the right reasons, NOT ATHLETICS, here is a simple rule that will solve the entire issue. If you transfer to a school or its feeder schools after the 5th grade, from another member school within a 50 mile radius, you are ineligible for ALL levels of play, your first 2 years in high school. Done, simple, over. Applies the same to all Not a bad idea, but I would like to see some sort of committee set up for hardship transfers. Not gonna try to list all but ex: death of parent, divorce, or something like that. No reason to further punish a kid. This was also mentioned to the principals. We want the head coaches of the district to be the committee for each case. If a kids parents die, and come into a rivals zone for his/her senior year i say leave it up to the head coaches in that district to determine whether it was a bonified move or not
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 26, 2016 6:58:02 GMT -6
Not a bad idea, but I would like to see some sort of committee set up for hardship transfers. Not gonna try to list all but ex: death of parent, divorce, or something like that. No reason to further punish a kid. This was also mentioned to the principals. We want the head coaches of the district to be the committee for each case. If a kids parents die, and come into a rivals zone for his/her senior year i say leave it up to the head coaches in that district to determine whether it was a bonified move or not igt Not sure if head coaches in the district will/can be unbiased. Maybe a group of retired coaches that still love the game. I just don't think if the kid or parent can't control what's happening that the kid should not be punished.
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Post by btown on Apr 26, 2016 10:47:14 GMT -6
This was also mentioned to the principals. We want the head coaches of the district to be the committee for each case. If a kids parents die, and come into a rivals zone for his/her senior year i say leave it up to the head coaches in that district to determine whether it was a bonified move or not igt Not sure if head coaches in the district will/can be unbiased. Maybe a group of retired coaches that still love the game. I just don't think if the kid or parent can't control what's happening that the kid should not be punished. LHSAA has rules in place to deal with all of this, just not enforced. That look at the surface, the surface looks good, so they say it is ok. No one does good invsetigation on anything.
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Post by pinion on Apr 26, 2016 11:01:51 GMT -6
igt Not sure if head coaches in the district will/can be unbiased. Maybe a group of retired coaches that still love the game. I just don't think if the kid or parent can't control what's happening that the kid should not be punished. LHSAA has rules in place to deal with all of this, just not enforced. That look at the surface, the surface looks good, so they say it is ok. No one does good invsetigation on anything. I've seen you mention the "not enforcing rules" thing several times. I don't disagree with you at all. However, you seem to be A-Okay with punishing 1 segment due to the inaction of the LHSAA. I'm starting to notice a pattern where the reasoning behind the split is all determined by whom you happen to ask. There's the "didn't enforce rules" crowd, the "private schools recruit" crowd, the "playing field not level" crowd, the "other states are doing it" crowd, and so on.
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Post by btown on Apr 26, 2016 11:33:55 GMT -6
LHSAA has rules in place to deal with all of this, just not enforced. That look at the surface, the surface looks good, so they say it is ok. No one does good invsetigation on anything. I've seen you mention the "not enforcing rules" thing several times. I don't disagree with you at all. However, you seem to be A-Okay with punishing 1 segment due to the inaction of the LHSAA. I'm starting to notice a pattern where the reasoning behind the split is all determined by whom you happen to ask. There's the "didn't enforce rules" crowd, the "private schools recruit" crowd, the "playing field not level" crowd, the "other states are doing it" crowd, and so on. Who is being punished?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 26, 2016 11:48:23 GMT -6
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If the LHSAA started enforcing all the rules, with a committee to do the investigation you would be for the split ending?
Not saying anyone is being punished but please answer this. Why is it only the playoffs are split? If the "select schools" are so different that they can't play each other in the playoffs why do they still play each other in the regular season/district and complete for district honors?
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Post by btown on Apr 26, 2016 11:57:23 GMT -6
btown If the LHSAA started enforcing all the rules, with a committee to do the investigation you would be for the split ending? Not saying anyone is being punished but please answer this. Why is it only the playoffs are split? If the "select schools" are so different that they can't play each other in the playoffs why do they still play each other in the regular season/district and complete for district honors? Same as why 1A schools play 4A schools during regular season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 12:12:11 GMT -6
btown If the LHSAA started enforcing all the rules, with a committee to do the investigation you would be for the split ending? Not saying anyone is being punished but please answer this. Why is it only the playoffs are split? If the "select schools" are so different that they can't play each other in the playoffs why do they still play each other in the regular season/district and complete for district honors? Same as why 1A schools play 4A schools during regular season. 1A does not compete with 4A for district honors. How about an honest answer?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 26, 2016 12:16:06 GMT -6
btown If the LHSAA started enforcing all the rules, with a committee to do the investigation you would be for the split ending? Not saying anyone is being punished but please answer this. Why is it only the playoffs are split? If the "select schools" are so different that they can't play each other in the playoffs why do they still play each other in the regular season/district and complete for district honors? Same as why 1A schools play 4A schools during regular season. Ok you got me during the non district schedule, but during district all schools compete against each other. For example district 3-2A: Many, Bunkie, Oakdale, Rosepine, & Pickering are all "non-select" while Menard a "select" competes for the same district champion and the players are all able to be selected to the all district team. All I'm asking is if they can compete against each other in district why not the playoffs?
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Post by btown on Apr 26, 2016 12:29:00 GMT -6
Same as why 1A schools play 4A schools during regular season. 1A does not compete with 4A for district honors. How about an honest answer? District honors are individual so it does not matter, best kid goes to the top. As for as district title it carries no weight going into the playoffs. That part was taken care of when they went to power ranking. If you think back they did address it just did not notice. District Champs, runner-up and wild card would go playoffs. What they did was took the district champ out and went by power ranking and seeded schools. Only thing a district title allows if you are not in the top 32 power ranking you go to 32 spot and have to play number 1. WOW that title helps alot. Keeping district allows more kids to get awards(what you are against)when competing in smaller groups.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Apr 27, 2016 8:07:41 GMT -6
1A does not compete with 4A for district honors. How about an honest answer? District honors are individual so it does not matter, best kid goes to the top. As for as district title it carries no weight going into the playoffs. That part was taken care of when they went to power ranking. If you think back they did address it just did not notice. District Champs, runner-up and wild card would go playoffs. What they did was took the district champ out and went by power ranking and seeded schools. Only thing a district title allows if you are not in the top 32 power ranking you go to 32 spot and have to play number 1. WOW that title helps alot. Keeping district allows more kids to get awards(what you are against)when competing in smaller groups. According to the Football Rule book (2013-15) section 14.8 states that the district champ/1st place finisher & runner-up automatically make playoffs, then the wildcard's are selected by a committee. I'm all for the kids earning district honors and state honors, the difference is the district honors include all schools in that district while state honors are separated into "select" & "non-select" I think (I may be wrong on the state honors, if I am please let me know). I just don't understand that if they can compete in district why not the playoffs. I went to a public school and only made playoffs 1 year, but it was earned. When a team that's 2-8, 1-9, or 0-10 make playoffs that isn't earning the spot in the playoffs, that's being given something. I understand why the split came to be but if the rules are enforced to every team in the LHSAA then I fail to understand why we can't all compete together. I know that the power rankings are for seeding in the brackets.
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Post by btown on Apr 27, 2016 8:59:33 GMT -6
District honors are individual so it does not matter, best kid goes to the top. As for as district title it carries no weight going into the playoffs. That part was taken care of when they went to power ranking. If you think back they did address it just did not notice. District Champs, runner-up and wild card would go playoffs. What they did was took the district champ out and went by power ranking and seeded schools. Only thing a district title allows if you are not in the top 32 power ranking you go to 32 spot and have to play number 1. WOW that title helps alot. Keeping district allows more kids to get awards(what you are against)when competing in smaller groups. According to the Football Rule book (2013-15) section 14.8 states that the district champ/1st place finisher & runner-up automatically make playoffs, then the wildcard's are selected by a committee. I'm all for the kids earning district honors and state honors, the difference is the district honors include all schools in that district while state honors are separated into "select" & "non-select" I think (I may be wrong on the state honors, if I am please let me know). I just don't understand that if they can compete in district why not the playoffs. I went to a public school and only made playoffs 1 year, but it was earned. When a team that's 2-8, 1-9, or 0-10 make playoffs that isn't earning the spot in the playoffs, that's being given something. I understand why the split came to be but if the rules are enforced to every team in the LHSAA then I fail to understand why we can't all compete together. I know that the power rankings are for seeding in the brackets. Your issue is the easiest fix of all and all pro split people I have talked to are in favor, 16 team brackets. That means ot 0-10 teams making playoffs.
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