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Post by retired on Feb 22, 2016 12:28:06 GMT -6
Put him at East Ibberville and you would be complaining about how unfair it is they have won so much! Guess we will never know. Show me ONE, super select school coach, who has went back to the non select sector, and duplicated his results. One, just one. They dont exist. They understand their advantages. Anyone with a brain does. So, no apples play apples, oranges play oranges. While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 17:02:05 GMT -6
Guess we will never know. Show me ONE, super select school coach, who has went back to the non select sector, and duplicated his results. One, just one. They dont exist. They understand their advantages. Anyone with a brain does. So, no apples play apples, oranges play oranges. While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective.
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Post by gentsandpios on Feb 22, 2016 17:52:55 GMT -6
While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective. Is it your position that if non select schools could deny enrollment it would be an advantage for them in regards to athletic success?
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Post by eagle2180 on Feb 22, 2016 18:20:54 GMT -6
While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective. How did denying enrollment help JC and Evangel when they were playing in 4a and 5a?
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Post by eagle2180 on Feb 22, 2016 18:25:26 GMT -6
Put him at East Ibberville and you would be complaining about how unfair it is they have won so much! Guess we will never know. Show me ONE, super select school coach, who has went back to the non select sector, and duplicated his results. One, just one. They dont exist. They understand their advantages. Anyone with a brain does. So, no apples play apples, oranges play oranges. Hmmm, Chick Childress. LISA to LHSAA.
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Post by retired on Feb 22, 2016 19:07:15 GMT -6
While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective. I have seen you refer to this several times, as if you think that some schools are intentionally turning away students so that they can remain in certain athletic classifications? That they intentionally reject kids for the sole purpose of staying "down" in class, even though the biggest "offenders" tried to play up whenever possible?
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Post by eagle2180 on Feb 22, 2016 19:15:21 GMT -6
Pinion, Why did Evangel expel "Fergie" ? Wasn't he Evangel's leading receiver @ 1991?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Feb 23, 2016 10:41:54 GMT -6
Personally, I think the private schools in Louisiana should join the MAIS and form a East & West division. Do playoffs until you have a East Champion and a West Champion then let the champions play each other for the MAIS Championship. Made for ESPN or Fox Sports to televise the championship games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 11:34:41 GMT -6
While it does not exactly answer your question, I would argue that Stubbs, (as you have mentioned) had greater success at Salmen than he has had at Riverside. Also Crutch had more success at South Plaq than he had at St. Aug.
Also while I think everyone here understands what you are trying to convey, keep in mind that one could argue that public schools have "advantages" as well. Namely, they automatically have an enrollment.
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective. Stupid point manboobsnonjohnson, refusing enrollment has nothing to do with anything as the evil empires elect to play up. All schools can limit participation in athletics thus turds don't play unless someone decided to let them.
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Post by pinion on Feb 23, 2016 12:12:29 GMT -6
Pinion, Why did Evangel expel "Fergie" ? Wasn't he Evangel's leading receiver @ 1991? gawd. I haven't heard that name in quite awhile. I honestly don't remember what all happened. If I'm not mistaken, whatever happened, happened when after I was asked to leave. Or at least that's what it seems like was the case. I know when I came back my senior year he wasn't there. I saw him once, a couple of years after I graduated at a CircleK. We talked for a couple of minutes, but I had my daughter with me and didn't really have time to hang around and talk. That's the last time I saw or heard anything out of him. That was 94 or so. Now that I type that, it seems like maybe I saw him at a game some time after that, but didn't get a chance to speak to him. I'll have to ask some of the guys I still keep up with about Fergie. A few of us still keep up on Facebook.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 13:40:05 GMT -6
Yep, and they "absolutely" cannot refuse enrollment. Same thing, different perspective. Stupid point manboobsnonjohnson, refusing enrollment has nothing to do with anything as the evil empires elect to play up. All schools can limit participation in athletics thus turds don't play unless someone decided to let them. True, but you cant limit "turds" in the student body, and those enrollment figures count against you for classification purposes. If all Select schools played 5A, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If I can "cull the herd" of my "turds", my student enrollment then is only the children who offer a positive to the school academic and athletic enviroment. Thats the ONLY reason you have a Select school!!!
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Post by LATigerFan on Feb 23, 2016 13:41:44 GMT -6
Stupid point manboobsnonjohnson, refusing enrollment has nothing to do with anything as the evil empires elect to play up. All schools can limit participation in athletics thus turds don't play unless someone decided to let them. True, but you cant limit "turds" in the student body, and those enrollment figures count against you for classification purposes. If all Select schools played 5A, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If I can "cull the herd" of my "turds", my student enrollment then is only the children who offer a positive to the school academic and athletic enviroment. Thats the ONLY reason you have a Select school!!! So select schools have nothing to do with religion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 13:52:24 GMT -6
Absolutely, some do, but not all. Just another way the enrollment is segregated. Many, in fact, IF they allow a "non follower" in, charge higher tuition for those students.
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Post by retired on Feb 23, 2016 15:15:24 GMT -6
Stupid point manboobsnonjohnson, refusing enrollment has nothing to do with anything as the evil empires elect to play up. All schools can limit participation in athletics thus turds don't play unless someone decided to let them. True, but you cant limit "turds" in the student body, and those enrollment figures count against you for classification purposes. If all Select schools played 5A, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If I can "cull the herd" of my "turds", my student enrollment then is only the children who offer a positive to the school academic and athletic enviroment. Thats the ONLY reason you have a Select school!!! Again, you keep saying this as if some private /select schools are sitting there saying "Hmm, we want to "cull our herd" so that we compete in 2A and not 3A. Or that some public schools are sitting there saying "UGH, this 'turds' are forcing us to play in 3A, and not in 2A" I don't believe that is the case. Keep in mind that the schools that everyone complains about, and that were the catalyst for all of this were playing above their enrollment 20 years ago.
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Post by eag on Feb 23, 2016 16:23:46 GMT -6
Stupid point manboobsnonjohnson, refusing enrollment has nothing to do with anything as the evil empires elect to play up. All schools can limit participation in athletics thus turds don't play unless someone decided to let them. True, but you cant limit "turds" in the student body, and those enrollment figures count against you for classification purposes. If all Select schools played 5A, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If I can "cull the herd" of my "turds", my student enrollment then is only the children who offer a positive to the school academic and athletic enviroment. Thats the ONLY reason you have a Select school!!! Meh This supposed advantage is a two way street. Sure, private schools have a lower overall population of poor students and behavior issues. That means you control somewhat the environment but it also means you lose some studs. Believe it or not, some private schools will expel kids for things like smoking weed, etc., even if they are athletes. The parents who pay to send their kid to a certain environment don't want exceptions for athletes in most cases.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 8:13:37 GMT -6
True, but you cant limit "turds" in the student body, and those enrollment figures count against you for classification purposes. If all Select schools played 5A, we wouldnt be having this conversation. If I can "cull the herd" of my "turds", my student enrollment then is only the children who offer a positive to the school academic and athletic enviroment. Thats the ONLY reason you have a Select school!!! Meh This supposed advantage is a two way street. Sure, private schools have a lower overall population of poor students and behavior issues. That means you control somewhat the environment but it also means you lose some studs. Believe it or not, some private schools will expel kids for things like smoking weed, etc., even if they are athletes. The parents who pay to send their kid to a certain environment don't want exceptions for athletes in most cases. It amazes me that poor students or students with behavior issues somehow are thought to contribute athletically, when they do not contribute any other way. So you gonna hire poor workers with discipline issues for your business....................or are you gonna hire good workers whom you can rely? Ridiculous. Ship has sailed. DONE
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Post by eag on Feb 24, 2016 12:10:33 GMT -6
C'mon Bob. I'd hope you are better than that.
We are talking about different things. Who says they don't contribute in any way? I'm talking about the very low tolerance a lot of private schools have for such things, not necessarily a kid with an orange jumpsuit in his near future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 12:15:40 GMT -6
C'mon Bob. I'd hope you are better than that. We are talking about different things. Who says they don't contribute in any way? I'm talking about the very low tolerance a lot of private schools have for such things, not necessarily a kid with an orange jumpsuit in his near future. Private schools segregate themselves from the public sector for any number of reasons. With this in mind, it is ridiculous to think (since the very nature of segregaton) that private schools do not possess some inherent advantage by doing so. If it applies in one facet of education, it certainly applies in others.
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Post by retired on Feb 24, 2016 14:58:07 GMT -6
C'mon Bob. I'd hope you are better than that. We are talking about different things. Who says they don't contribute in any way? I'm talking about the very low tolerance a lot of private schools have for such things, not necessarily a kid with an orange jumpsuit in his near future. Private schools segregate themselves from the public sector for any number of reasons. With this in mind, it is ridiculous to think (since the very nature of segregaton) that private schools do not possess some inherent advantage by doing so. If it applies in one facet of education, it certainly applies in others. And that is why you see Crescent City Baptist crushing Haynesville in football every year
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Post by Sixpack on Feb 24, 2016 19:42:09 GMT -6
Private schools segregate themselves from the public sector for any number of reasons. With this in mind, it is ridiculous to think (since the very nature of segregaton) that private schools do not possess some inherent advantage by doing so. If it applies in one facet of education, it certainly applies in others. And that is why you see Crescent City Baptist crushing Haynesville in football every year Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules.
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Post by BGH on Feb 24, 2016 20:28:18 GMT -6
And that is why you see Crescent City Baptist crushing Haynesville in football every year Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Actually Evangel has won 13. You accurately stated what the problem was. Those two schools simply won too much. Don't forget Haynesville's 9 state titles since Evangel won its first. Why are they not a problem?
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Post by eagle2180 on Feb 24, 2016 20:59:52 GMT -6
Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Actually Evangel has won 13. You accurately stated what the problem was. Those two schools simply won too much. Don't forget Haynesville's 9 state titles since Evangel won its first. Why are they not a problem?
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Post by eagle2180 on Feb 24, 2016 21:07:41 GMT -6
Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Actually Evangel has won 13. You accurately stated what the problem was. Those two schools simply won too much. Don't forget Haynesville's 9 state titles since Evangel won its first. Why are they not a problem? Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their butt. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't poop.
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Post by retired on Feb 24, 2016 21:48:14 GMT -6
And that is why you see Crescent City Baptist crushing Haynesville in football every year Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Sixpack That is kind of the point. Everyone wants to paint "PRIVATES" or "SELECTS" with a large brush. It just isn't so. And That is the issue, people need to identify actual "problems" if they are looking for solutions.
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Post by 86namnit on Feb 24, 2016 22:13:09 GMT -6
Actually Evangel has won 13. You accurately stated what the problem was. Those two schools simply won too much. Don't forget Haynesville's 9 state titles since Evangel won its first. Why are they not a problem? Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their butt. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't poop. He beat Joe Louis' a**....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 9:34:03 GMT -6
Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Sixpack That is kind of the point. Everyone wants to paint "PRIVATES" or "SELECTS" with a large brush. It just isn't so. And That is the issue, people need to identify actual "problems" if they are looking for solutions. Similar to how everyone did paint "publics" and "charters" with a large brush. It just isnt so. No one was looking for solutions to why the Lakeview's of the world were obligated to take beatings from the Evangels and Calvarys of the world then.............so, a solution was found.
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Post by btown on Feb 25, 2016 10:44:54 GMT -6
Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it.
What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Sixpack That is kind of the point. Everyone wants to paint "PRIVATES" or "SELECTS" with a large brush. It just isn't so. And That is the issue, people need to identify actual "problems" if they are looking for solutions. The actual problem was in 2A. Public schools out number private schools, but the privates dominated in championships for football, baseball and softball, not sure about basketball. There was a obvisous that the privates had a advantage. I still think the split needs to be looked at by classfication and voted on by classfication. A 5A public school should be able to compete with a 5A private school. The student body is large enough to find enough kids to pull from, same thing in 4A. I am sure about 3A and have never be able to draw a opinion. In class 2A there is a big difference in public and private schools and it shows in the playoff brackets. I know I will get hit with what about this and what about that. I am just stating what I see.
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Post by eag on Feb 25, 2016 12:05:53 GMT -6
And that is why you see Crescent City Baptist crushing Haynesville in football every year Come on now retired, you can do better than that. Crescent City Baptist is not the problem and you know it. What about the 26 state titles John Curtis has won in football, including 19 straight state title appearances, and the 11 state titles Evangel has won including the 5A titles they won even though the school itself had a small school enrollment at the time. I won't take a thing away from JC and ECA when it comes to dedication, hard work and tradition. But that's not all they had when they were winning all those titles. They also had open zones and they knew how to use them without breaking any rules. Then why is Crescent City Baptist segregated out with JC and Evangel? I, and I think most other split opponents, have no problem with trying to find a solution to the "26 state titles John Curtis has won". We just don't see how segregating CCB, Vandy, etc is helping or necessary. Using select status alone is a poor one.
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Post by pinion on Feb 25, 2016 12:07:26 GMT -6
Sixpack That is kind of the point. Everyone wants to paint "PRIVATES" or "SELECTS" with a large brush. It just isn't so. And That is the issue, people need to identify actual "problems" if they are looking for solutions. Similar to how everyone did paint "publics" and "charters" with a large brush. It just isnt so. No one was looking for solutions to why the Lakeview's of the world were obligated to take beatings from the Evangels and Calvarys of the world then.............so, a solution was found. The solution? Really? Did you just move here or something? When it was first mentioned that private schools would have to play in whatever class their enrollment dictated, EVERYBODY with a brain predicted what would happen. But that didn't matter because the big schools would be rid of ECA and Curtis. The solution would have been to put in place a multiplier or change the rules as to where a school can get kids from. Nobody wanted to do that, for some reason. Which has left me to believe that all along it has never been about making a "level" playing field and it still isn't. It was about positioning private schools to where publics won't have to play them. You have mentioned how unfair it is that private schools can draw students from wherever. I don't necessarily see that as an advantage, but I can see where some might. So let's just assume that it does give private schools an advantage. If ECA changes their enrollment policy to where they will only take students from Caddo parish, will they be allowed to then play with the "non-selects"? No. I don't believe they would be. Even though they would then be drawing students like every other school in the parish, that still wouldn't be enough. Why? I do agree with you that a solution was found. However, there are several solutions and the most retarded one possible was the one chosen. It's about like cutting off your leg to deal with an ingrown toe nail. Yes, it does get rid of the infected toe, but there are better ways to alleviate that condition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 12:19:34 GMT -6
Sixpack That is kind of the point. Everyone wants to paint "PRIVATES" or "SELECTS" with a large brush. It just isn't so. And That is the issue, people need to identify actual "problems" if they are looking for solutions. The actual problem was in 2A. Public schools out number private schools, but the privates dominated in championships for football, baseball and softball, not sure about basketball. There was a obvisous that the privates had a advantage. I still think the split needs to be looked at by classfication and voted on by classfication. A 5A public school should be able to compete with a 5A private school. The student body is large enough to find enough kids to pull from, same thing in 4A. I am sure about 3A and have never be able to draw a opinion. In class 2A there is a big difference in public and private schools and it shows in the playoff brackets. I know I will get hit with what about this and what about that. I am just stating what I see. I agree, 100%. However, Mein Fuhrer Bonine wouldnt allow that and passed the buck when he got called on it, to the constituion and the parlimentarian
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