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Post by doby on Mar 18, 2016 12:17:36 GMT -6
Short answer, nope
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Post by btown on Mar 18, 2016 20:06:26 GMT -6
One of the articles quoted Mike Boyer from Teurlings who basically said 2016 was too soon regardless of if it happens or not. It would be a detriment to high school football in this state if there was a permanent split, even worse than there is now with the split playoffs. While I don't think this new association is an idle threat, I do think it is initially a bargaining tactic to try to bring the public schools back to the table to see if there is any hope of bringing all the schools back together again. If there is any way to work it out, I doubt a new league happens. In the event that the public school principles are just too far gone in their belief that there can be no reconciliation without a split playoff, then I think the new league could become a reality as early as 2017-18. Explain how you think a new association would initially a bargaining tactic?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 19, 2016 7:48:53 GMT -6
If the right 60 schools go to the new league this could be the best thing for the LHSAA. I see it as a win/win. hopefully all 1A, 2A, and 3A privates, Catholics, etc. 1A and 2A select combine for 51 football teams, plus a few all-girls schools, B and C privates, and maybe some of MAIS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 18:39:10 GMT -6
One of the articles quoted Mike Boyer from Teurlings who basically said 2016 was too soon regardless of if it happens or not. It would be a detriment to high school football in this state if there was a permanent split, even worse than there is now with the split playoffs. While I don't think this new association is an idle threat, I do think it is initially a bargaining tactic to try to bring the public schools back to the table to see if there is any hope of bringing all the schools back together again. If there is any way to work it out, I doubt a new league happens. In the event that the public school principles are just too far gone in their belief that there can be no reconciliation without a split playoff, then I think the new league could become a reality as early as 2017-18. Explain how you think a new association would initially a bargaining tactic? I'm wondering the same thing, I doubt most schools would be worried. I'd guess the majority are hoping they go.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 21, 2016 7:04:56 GMT -6
Explain how you think a new association would initially a bargaining tactic? I'm wondering the same thing, I doubt most schools would be worried. I'd guess the majority are hoping they go. This is not a negotiation tactic. ANY institution that loses up to 40% of their membership will suffer both financially and in status. Private schools and Charter schools are the only educational segment in Louisiana that is growing. Public schools are consolidating and heading down the path to financial instability and failure. The state Average ACT score this year was below a 19. You have public school valedictorians who cannot sore a 17 on the ACT yet they teach towards the testing. The state has just increased sales taxes to the highest in the US and we still are underfunded due to incompetence and out of control spending. As this mismanagement of both the talent of our children and the resources of our state continues, people will flee to privates, Charters or out of state.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Mar 21, 2016 8:59:17 GMT -6
That has to be the best example of misguided use of statistical information I've seen. So if we put together a school made up of the finest athletes along with financial stability the direct outcome expected would be a very good team. Now we take from public schools financial resources and the top students and make what we call magnet schools then take more of the financial resources and give them to a private corporation and call them charter schools and the expected result should be ...... Oh then there are those privates schools. And if you truly want to throw in the latest tax increases made by the state it has little effect on schools and much of the issue there stems from decades of not only mismanagement but more specifically every private school hero in Bobby Jindal and the state as a whole in that it would rather protect those funds going to areas that are a drain on society rather than areas like education, and add that to the loss of revenue from a down turn in oil prices and it is a recipe for budget deficits. The only direct effect this has on education is TOPS and that is higher ed.
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Post by Common Sense on Mar 21, 2016 10:10:07 GMT -6
Common Sense tells you that few, if any, school systems would allow one or more of their system schools to join alternate organizations. So, with that in mind, this new league would encompass
1) Most if not all Catholic Schools 2) Some but not all other relegious or non demoninational schools 3) Some, but not all charter or lab schools.
With this in mind, 60 is possible, although it may be not many more than that. If this were to happen, the LHSAA would not allow its members to play this other league and the NFHS can and will only recognize 1 league per state. Since this league is now the LHSAA, and it would continue to be the majority of schools in the state, Common Sense would tell you that would remain the same.
Now, with all that said, there are more than a few Catholic schools who are not on board with this idea. There are MANY non-catholic private/charter/and lab schools who are also not on board with this new plan. The predominant question remains, "If we form a new league, how does that actually change our situation?"
My two cents is simply this. I hope the new league is formed. I think it would be......fun if not funny.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 10:30:25 GMT -6
One of the articles quoted Mike Boyer from Teurlings who basically said 2016 was too soon regardless of if it happens or not. It would be a detriment to high school football in this state if there was a permanent split, even worse than there is now with the split playoffs. While I don't think this new association is an idle threat, I do think it is initially a bargaining tactic to try to bring the public schools back to the table to see if there is any hope of bringing all the schools back together again. If there is any way to work it out, I doubt a new league happens. In the event that the public school principles are just too far gone in their belief that there can be no reconciliation without a split playoff, then I think the new league could become a reality as early as 2017-18. Explain how you think a new association would initially a bargaining tactic? I believe that in a way this is a bargaining tactic. Take into consideration that the LHSAA is and always has been a cash hound. They have a large staff, a new facility, and a hall of fame to maintain. This being said the amount of revenue that they would lose would hit them in the worst place in the world "THEIR CHECKING ACCOUNT." The dues they lose are minimal, its the gates that they lose from jamborees, and playoff games that would hurt the most. Remember that the LHSAA receives 10% off the top of the gate for each jamboree, and playoff game in football, basketball, volleyball, softball, and baseball. When you take into account the number of jamborees and playoff gates they would lose, they would feel it.
I can promise you that the LHSAA will not stop living high on the hog so there will have to cutbacks or some other way for them to receive the revenue they require.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 10:51:41 GMT -6
Common Sense tells you that few, if any, school systems would allow one or more of their system schools to join alternate organizations. So, with that in mind, this new league would encompass 1) Most if not all Catholic Schools 2) Some but not all other relegious or non demoninational schools 3) Some, but not all charter or lab schools. With this in mind, 60 is possible, although it may be not many more than that. If this were to happen, the LHSAA would not allow its members to play this other league and the NFHS can and will only recognize 1 league per state. Since this league is now the LHSAA, and it would continue to be the majority of schools in the state, Common Sense would tell you that would remain the same. Now, with all that said, there are more than a few Catholic schools who are not on board with this idea. There are MANY non-catholic private/charter/and lab schools who are also not on board with this new plan. The predominant question remains, "If we form a new league, how does that actually change our situation?" My two cents is simply this. I hope the new league is formed. I think it would be......fun if not funny. This post is dead on.
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Post by btown on Mar 21, 2016 19:23:30 GMT -6
Common Sense tells you that few, if any, school systems would allow one or more of their system schools to join alternate organizations. So, with that in mind, this new league would encompass 1) Most if not all Catholic Schools 2) Some but not all other relegious or non demoninational schools 3) Some, but not all charter or lab schools. With this in mind, 60 is possible, although it may be not many more than that. If this were to happen, the LHSAA would not allow its members to play this other league and the NFHS can and will only recognize 1 league per state. Since this league is now the LHSAA, and it would continue to be the majority of schools in the state, Common Sense would tell you that would remain the same. Now, with all that said, there are more than a few Catholic schools who are not on board with this idea. There are MANY non-catholic private/charter/and lab schools who are also not on board with this new plan. The predominant question remains, "If we form a new league, how does that actually change our situation?" My two cents is simply this. I hope the new league is formed. I think it would be......fun if not funny. This post is dead on. Common sense is pretty smart, you would be playing the same people in the new league that you are now playing in the LHSAA playoff system. Just more to choose from during regular season with LHSAA and short travel times for teams.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 10:21:33 GMT -6
Another thing to think about when it comes to a new association, what about referees? LHSAA already has a hard time finding enough and would LHSAA let their referees referee another league? My guess would be no.
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Post by pinion on Mar 22, 2016 11:04:56 GMT -6
Will LHSAA schools be allowed to play the new organization schools? My gut tells me no. Seems like I remember a matchup with an LHSAA school and a Louisiana Non LHSAA team a few years back, so that might indicate that they would have to make a rule change to prevent it.
I'm not 100% in the know on this game either. All I know is that the one team was in the LHSAA online database and the other wasn't. And I am pretty sure the LHSAA school got credit for this game, just like schools who play out of state opponents.
I will try to find it if I can.
A rule change would prevent any LHSAA teams from playing a new organization. You can bet on that. Given that the split went down the way it has, you can believe that the butthurt from the publics would continue to flow and they'd make sure the organizations couldn't play. It would be arranged so that publics couldn't play privates now if they could figure a way to make it happen.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 11:14:32 GMT -6
Another thing to think about when it comes to a new association, what about referees? LHSAA already has a hard time finding enough and would LHSAA let their referees referee another league? My guess would be no. They could not stop them. With competition, the referees stand to gain considerably. Almost 100% of the private schools were in favor of raising the referee pay per game. If given an opportunity to compete, the new organization could offer to pay more and actually pull the better referees not wanting to deal with the fights and abuse that goes on at some games these day. NO referee is bound to the LHSAA, that would make it slave labor, plus Louisiana is a right to work state and no referee is an employee of the LHSAA, they are all certified independent contractors. If the LHSAA were to require a non competitive agreement from their referees, it would drive the better more independent refs away permanently. In addition, this idea of controlling the referees smacks of the same resentment and bias that has driven the LHSAA to the injustice of the split.
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Post by pinion on Mar 22, 2016 11:14:41 GMT -6
Another thing to think about when it comes to a new association, what about referees? LHSAA already has a hard time finding enough and would LHSAA let their referees referee another league? My guess would be no. Offer them more money, they'll come right on over. It could actually work out nicely for refs. If new organization offers $10 more per game, then LHSAA offers 5 more than that. Then new org offers 5 more than that, and so on. Refs may end up rolling bank for every game. haha. I've given this new organization idea a bit more thought. I think that if it happens, what could end up happening is the same sort of thing when private schools were forced to play to their enrollment; the smaller public schools will be the ones paying the price for it. small public schools would have fewer other small schools to compete with because the smaller private schools would be gone. That means more expenses to get to games and more beat downs from larger schools. If you have rural public school A close to rural private school A and private school is in a different league, they may just draw away any talent public school has because there will be no punishment for doing so. A big school can lose a kid or 2 and it may not hurt them that much. A small school loses a kid or 2 and it can ruin their season. That said, I'm still 100% behind the idea because I do not believe the LHSAA gives a rip about private schools and only wants their money. I also believe that public schools do not want us there, so why stay? If my boss walks in right now and tells me he'd rather me not work here, I'm packing my things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 11:46:34 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 11:53:33 GMT -6
Another thing to think about when it comes to a new association, what about referees? LHSAA already has a hard time finding enough and would LHSAA let their referees referee another league? My guess would be no. Offer them more money, they'll come right on over. It could actually work out nicely for refs. If new organization offers $10 more per game, then LHSAA offers 5 more than that. Then new org offers 5 more than that, and so on. Refs may end up rolling bank for every game. haha. I've given this new organization idea a bit more thought. I think that if it happens, what could end up happening is the same sort of thing when private schools were forced to play to their enrollment; the smaller public schools will be the ones paying the price for it. small public schools would have fewer other small schools to compete with because the smaller private schools would be gone. That means more expenses to get to games and more beat downs from larger schools. If you have rural public school A close to rural private school A and private school is in a different league, they may just draw away any talent public school has because there will be no punishment for doing so. A big school can lose a kid or 2 and it may not hurt them that much. A small school loses a kid or 2 and it can ruin their season. That said, I'm still 100% behind the idea because I do not believe the LHSAA gives a rip about private schools and only wants their money. I also believe that public schools do not want us there, so why stay? If my boss walks in right now and tells me he'd rather me not work here, I'm packing my things. On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates.
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Post by gentsandpios on Mar 22, 2016 11:56:10 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA. my question is what will LHSAA do with select schools that stay if majority pull out to new organization? There won't be enough to split into separate divisions so do they pull everyone back together? If yes what has changed about the perceived advantages that make it impossible to have everyone together now? If no then how will they have select only playoffs with so few teams?
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 11:57:39 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA. Just look at the location of some of the private schools and make a schedule for the different sports. There are private schools that are not located close to other private schools. It would be ok for football but what other sports. Private Schools in the Baton Rouge area and New Orleans will not have any problems, but take a private school like St. Louis, trying make a schedule for them that does not have long travel to play games.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 11:59:57 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA. my question is what will LHSAA do with select schools that stay if majority pull out to new organization? There won't be enough to split into separate divisions so do they pull everyone back together? If yes what has changed about the perceived advantages that make it impossible to have everyone together now? If no then how will they have select only playoffs with so few teams? Hard to answer your question, they would have to wait to see if a new league happens and how many teams go with them. That would be one of those bridges you would have to cross when you get to it.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 12:04:39 GMT -6
There are 75 current Select schools that play football, (which by definition is all the current selects) with the addition of those Select schools that are non football (all girl schools, class b and C) the total jumps to over 120 select schools. In addition, you have to include possibly any guessed on, MAIS to LHSAC transfers. Farseeing an organization of up to 130 possibly even more within 5 years. Charter schools are outside of the control of the local school board and will eventually be forced out, or will be forced to live with the tyranny of the traditional public school principals. (ah FASCISM at its finest)
If the LHSAC goes to 60 schools within the 2nd year for football that leaves almost no Select schools for a viable select playoff in the LHSAA (15 would remain), it would leave huge holes in football schedules for the remainder of public schools and would decimate the New Orleans Districts. Which are mostly private and charter schools (No public schools left in Orleans Parish).
Here is a prediction, if the LHSAA does not immediately find a resolution to this issue, it will find the state split North/South with the LHSAA being the majority association in North Louisiana and the LHSAC a majority association in the South. Both Lake Charles and Lafayette have new Charter Schools as does Baton Rouge. In addition, as public school parents seek autonomy from the school boards you will see more independent school districts. Eventual independent school associations such as Carencro, Youngsville and Broussard in the Lafayette area (and possibly Scott which is home of Acadiana High school) are all possible. We are all aware of the failed but still alive St. Gabriel in Baton Rouge. I could see City's such as Sulphur abandoning Calcasieu Parish as well as Sam Houston and there are others that have tired of the second hand status given them by the local school boards. With poor educational standards mismanagement of money to continue other communities will rebel. Just today it was announce that two public school closures in ST. Mary parish. Would Baldwin and Patterson also seek independent status? Zachary and Central as well as West Monroe would all be free to currently move to a new association without consent of the local school board.
All of these would be candidates for inclusion into a new association.
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Post by gentsandpios on Mar 22, 2016 12:06:47 GMT -6
my question is what will LHSAA do with select schools that stay if majority pull out to new organization? There won't be enough to split into separate divisions so do they pull everyone back together? If yes what has changed about the perceived advantages that make it impossible to have everyone together now? If no then how will they have select only playoffs with so few teams? Hard to answer your question, they would have to wait to see if a new league happens and how many teams go with them. That would be one of those bridges you would have to cross when you get to it. I agree but they should be prepared to answer now to keep some of those selects from having to leave just to have a place to play. I'm thinking primarily of the public magnet schools such as Byrd and Scotlandville. I'm sure those school boards don't want them to leave LHSAA but if that is their only option then thief hands may be forced.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 12:13:23 GMT -6
There are 75 current Select schools that play football, (which by definition is all the current selects) with the addition of those Select schools that are non football (all girl schools, class b and C) the total jumps to over 120 select schools. In addition, you have to include possibly any guessed on, MAIS to LHSAC transfers. Farseeing an organization of up to 130 possibly even more within 5 years. Charter schools are outside of the control of the local school board and will eventually be forced out, or will be forced to live with the tyranny of the traditional public school principals. (ah FASCISM at its finest) If the LHSAC goes to 60 schools within the 2nd year for football that leaves almost no Select schools for a viable select playoff in the LHSAA (15 would remain), it would leave huge holes in football schedules for the remainder of public schools and would decimate the New Orleans Districts. Which are mostly private and charter schools (No public schools left in Orleans Parish). Here is a prediction, if the LHSAA does not immediately find a resolution to this issue, it will find the state split North/South with the LHSAA being the majority association in North Louisiana and the LHSAC a majority association in the South. Both Lake Charles and Lafayette have new Charter Schools as does Baton Rouge. In addition, as public school parents seek autonomy from the school boards you will see more independent school districts. Eventual independent school associations such as Carencro, Youngsville and Broussard in the Lafayette area (and possibly Scott which is home of Acadiana High school) are all possible. We are all aware of the failed but still alive St. Gabriel in Baton Rouge. I could see City's such as Sulphur abandoning Calcasieu Parish as well as Sam Houston and there are others that have tired of the second hand status given them by the local school boards. With poor educational standards mismanagement of money to continue other communities will rebel. Just today it was announce that two public school closures in ST. Mary parish. Would Baldwin and Patterson also seek independent status? Zachary and Central as well as West Monroe would all be free to currently move to a new association without consent of the local school board. All of these would be candidates for inclusion into a new association. You have alot in there so I will ask one question Sulphur and Sam Houston where would their school be since Calcasieu Parish School Board owns the school. It seems a little more complicated for public schools.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Mar 22, 2016 12:21:21 GMT -6
The issue of referees is legit and yes they will be able to do whatever games they choose in whatever league or multiple leagues they so desire but there are only so many to go around and despite the spattering on here of money being offered it will not be enough to make a huge difference. Then there is the ultimate issue as the NFHS only recognizes one association per state and I doubt seriously they will be recognized by any other association as long as the LHSAA is in tact. Just look at Texas and see what association is recognized by the NFHS.
The sad thing is you have those on either side that are so head strong against the other much like the lack of leadership we have seen in our present LHSAA and the members - principals from both public and private schools who are more concerned with their own and forgetting the kids.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 12:22:57 GMT -6
Offer them more money, they'll come right on over. It could actually work out nicely for refs. If new organization offers $10 more per game, then LHSAA offers 5 more than that. Then new org offers 5 more than that, and so on. Refs may end up rolling bank for every game. haha. I've given this new organization idea a bit more thought. I think that if it happens, what could end up happening is the same sort of thing when private schools were forced to play to their enrollment; the smaller public schools will be the ones paying the price for it. small public schools would have fewer other small schools to compete with because the smaller private schools would be gone. That means more expenses to get to games and more beat downs from larger schools. If you have rural public school A close to rural private school A and private school is in a different league, they may just draw away any talent public school has because there will be no punishment for doing so. A big school can lose a kid or 2 and it may not hurt them that much. A small school loses a kid or 2 and it can ruin their season. That said, I'm still 100% behind the idea because I do not believe the LHSAA gives a rip about private schools and only wants their money. I also believe that public schools do not want us there, so why stay? If my boss walks in right now and tells me he'd rather me not work here, I'm packing my things. On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. I will answer your questions. We are not playing for the same championships, but rather a separate and unequal championship with teams forced out of their natural classification, played with less fanfare and reduction in status at times that prohibit fan participation. There is no public school being forced to compete UP in classification. We are also out gate money because we have fewer playoff games. We are also denied a voice in decision making and have been subjected to the tyranny of the majority. Even though we pay the same amount of money to the LHSAA for membership we are treated as substandard and unwanted members. If the LHSAA had any real moral and ethical standards, they would go ahead and vote all private, Charter and Magnet schools out of the LHSAA. You could do it with a simple majority vote.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 12:27:51 GMT -6
The issue of referees is legit and yes they will be able to do whatever games they choose in whatever league or multiple leagues they so desire but there are only so many to go around and despite the spattering on here of money being offered it will not be enough to make a huge difference. Then there is the ultimate issue as the NFHS only recognizes one association per state and I doubt seriously they will be recognized by any other association as long as the LHSAA is in tact. Just look at Texas and see what association is recognized by the NFHS. The sad thing is you have those on either side that are so head strong against the other much like the lack of leadership we have seen in our present LHSAA and the members - principals from both public and private schools who are more concerned with their own and forgetting the kids. This is just a question. I am a principal and I have one vote, should my concern and how to vote be about best for LHSAA or my school? Second the problem comes down to the leadership of the LHSAA, they have no leader and he did nothing to solve the problem, all he did was blind side one group and then think they would come together to work on a common goal. Do not blame the principals blame Bonine.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 12:33:34 GMT -6
There are 75 current Select schools that play football, (which by definition is all the current selects) with the addition of those Select schools that are non football (all girl schools, class b and C) the total jumps to over 120 select schools. In addition, you have to include possibly any guessed on, MAIS to LHSAC transfers. Farseeing an organization of up to 130 possibly even more within 5 years. Charter schools are outside of the control of the local school board and will eventually be forced out, or will be forced to live with the tyranny of the traditional public school principals. (ah FASCISM at its finest) If the LHSAC goes to 60 schools within the 2nd year for football that leaves almost no Select schools for a viable select playoff in the LHSAA (15 would remain), it would leave huge holes in football schedules for the remainder of public schools and would decimate the New Orleans Districts. Which are mostly private and charter schools (No public schools left in Orleans Parish). Here is a prediction, if the LHSAA does not immediately find a resolution to this issue, it will find the state split North/South with the LHSAA being the majority association in North Louisiana and the LHSAC a majority association in the South. Both Lake Charles and Lafayette have new Charter Schools as does Baton Rouge. In addition, as public school parents seek autonomy from the school boards you will see more independent school districts. Eventual independent school associations such as Carencro, Youngsville and Broussard in the Lafayette area (and possibly Scott which is home of Acadiana High school) are all possible. We are all aware of the failed but still alive St. Gabriel in Baton Rouge. I could see City's such as Sulphur abandoning Calcasieu Parish as well as Sam Houston and there are others that have tired of the second hand status given them by the local school boards. With poor educational standards mismanagement of money to continue other communities will rebel. Just today it was announce that two public school closures in ST. Mary parish. Would Baldwin and Patterson also seek independent status? Zachary and Central as well as West Monroe would all be free to currently move to a new association without consent of the local school board. All of these would be candidates for inclusion into a new association. You have alot in there so I will ask one question Sulphur and Sam Houston where would their school be since Calcasieu Parish School Board owns the school. It seems a little more complicated for public schools. Not really, Zachary High School existed before they went independent as did Central and West Monroe. If the community splits off they get to keep the buildings because ostensibly the taxes to build those schools came from the populace (taxpayers) of those communities. (precedence) This is where you show your thinking. Government actually owns nothing, EVERYTHING is owned by the people. Government's job is to manage the public's assets. Your library is owned and open to the public as are your schools and the constitution allows for the people to overthrow a tyrannical and corrupt government. The school board is suppose to serve the people, but today it has been corrupted to be the people are subservient to the government, especially the school board which dictates to you where your children go to school, who their classmates will be, what the teachers can teach and how it will be taught. You have become a slave to the government by your own acquiescence.
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Post by Raven on Mar 22, 2016 12:33:49 GMT -6
Offer them more money, they'll come right on over. It could actually work out nicely for refs. If new organization offers $10 more per game, then LHSAA offers 5 more than that. Then new org offers 5 more than that, and so on. Refs may end up rolling bank for every game. haha. I've given this new organization idea a bit more thought. I think that if it happens, what could end up happening is the same sort of thing when private schools were forced to play to their enrollment; the smaller public schools will be the ones paying the price for it. small public schools would have fewer other small schools to compete with because the smaller private schools would be gone. That means more expenses to get to games and more beat downs from larger schools. If you have rural public school A close to rural private school A and private school is in a different league, they may just draw away any talent public school has because there will be no punishment for doing so. A big school can lose a kid or 2 and it may not hurt them that much. A small school loses a kid or 2 and it can ruin their season. That said, I'm still 100% behind the idea because I do not believe the LHSAA gives a rip about private schools and only wants their money. I also believe that public schools do not want us there, so why stay? If my boss walks in right now and tells me he'd rather me not work here, I'm packing my things. On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. That question has been answered, although maybe not to your satisfaction. I suppose you were a fan of Jim Crow laws, separate-but-equal. They have the same thing we have so why can't they just be happy over there? It may sound trite to compare high school sports to the struggle for racial equality, but when you boil it down to its basics, the issues are the same. The split supporters didn't have the guts to simply vote all the private schools out of the LHSAA, which would have been met with too much backlash and have been a PR nightmare for the association, so they come up with this split playoff format and then wonder why the private schools can't just be happy playing each other. How can you not see the inherent inequity in that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 12:34:32 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA. Just look at the location of some of the private schools and make a schedule for the different sports. There are private schools that are not located close to other private schools. It would be ok for football but what other sports. Private Schools in the Baton Rouge area and New Orleans will not have any problems, but take a private school like St. Louis, trying make a schedule for them that does not have long travel to play games. Have you ever taken the time to closely at what the LHSAA has done. I would say the answer is no. Look at the 2-A baseball, softball, and basketball district that has only Notre Dame, Sacred Heart, and Opelousas Catholic in it. At the same time they have Mamou who is within 45 minutes of each of these schools in a district with Vinton.
They put E.D. White in district that has games in Northern Vermillion Parish. How is this any different?
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 12:35:59 GMT -6
On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. I will answer your questions. We are not playing for the same championships, but rather a separate and unequal championship with teams forced out of their natural classification, played with less fanfare and reduction in status at times that prohibit fan participation. There is no public school being forced to compete UP in classification. We are also out gate money because we have fewer playoff games. We are also denied a voice in decision making and have been subjected to the tyranny of the majority. Even though we pay the same amount of money to the LHSAA for membership we are treated as substandard and unwanted members. If the LHSAA had any real moral and ethical standards, they would go ahead and vote all private, Charter and Magnet schools out of the LHSAA. You could do it with a simple majority vote. 1. I agree with number of playoff games and that is why all brackets should be only 16 teams. 2. Why do you play with less fanfare. Public school my kids go to have no issue with that. We would have the same amount of fans with we played a 7am Monday morning or 8pm Saturday night. If you a true fan times and dates do not matter. 3. You pay the same amount and have the same vote, 1. So in anything in life if you are out vote you should leave? If that is the case I should have left this country 7 years ago, but I dinn't.
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Post by Nah on Mar 22, 2016 12:39:51 GMT -6
On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. I will answer your questions. We are not playing for the same championships, but rather a separate and unequal championship with teams forced out of their natural classification, played with less fanfare and reduction in status at times that prohibit fan participation. There is no public school being forced to compete UP in classification. We are also out gate money because we have fewer playoff games. We are also denied a voice in decision making and have been subjected to the tyranny of the majority. Even though we pay the same amount of money to the LHSAA for membership we are treated as substandard and unwanted members. If the LHSAA had any real moral and ethical standards, they would go ahead and vote all private, Charter and Magnet schools out of the LHSAA. You could do it with a simple majority vote. "Natural Classification" goes out the window when you can deny enrollment. Nothing "natural" about that. Gate in playoffs? You do realize that 10% off the top, then a 50/50 split. Not much gate, assuming you make the playoffs at all. Teams that dont make the playoffs, are "denied gate" as well. You a socialist? No denied voice. You got to vote. You just lost the vote. "Tyranny", well, does every one who loses a vote get to scream "Tyranny"? If thats the case, every team that gets skull drug by John Curtis should scream "Tyranny" of the better players recruited from all of greater NOLA. So your believe that if the LHSAA voted all Charter, Magnet, and Private schools out of the LHSAA, that would show ethics and morals? Drama much?
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