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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 12:42:49 GMT -6
I would guess many of the small, academics first, private schools would stay in the LHSAA. Just look at the location of some of the private schools and make a schedule for the different sports. There are private schools that are not located close to other private schools. It would be ok for football but what other sports. Private Schools in the Baton Rouge area and New Orleans will not have any problems, but take a private school like St. Louis, trying make a schedule for them that does not have long travel to play games. St. Louis really is not that difficult. School from Lafayette and Lake Charles already are forced to travel over an hour one way to play. Private schools for St. Louis to play, (which they do already regularly) STM, Teurlings, Notre Dame St. Ed's Catholic NI, Lafayette Christian, Hamilton Christian along with the new Charter Schools coming on line (2 in Lake Charles, Two in Lafayette and Select school Thibodeaux High School in Lafayette for non football sports. HOme on home, that's a 20 game schedule, pick a sport.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 12:46:53 GMT -6
If they all leave, which no ones knows what schools will split, if any.
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Post by nah on Mar 22, 2016 12:52:11 GMT -6
True dat
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 12:52:39 GMT -6
I will answer your questions. We are not playing for the same championships, but rather a separate and unequal championship with teams forced out of their natural classification, played with less fanfare and reduction in status at times that prohibit fan participation. There is no public school being forced to compete UP in classification. We are also out gate money because we have fewer playoff games. We are also denied a voice in decision making and have been subjected to the tyranny of the majority. Even though we pay the same amount of money to the LHSAA for membership we are treated as substandard and unwanted members. If the LHSAA had any real moral and ethical standards, they would go ahead and vote all private, Charter and Magnet schools out of the LHSAA. You could do it with a simple majority vote. "Natural Classification" goes out the window when you can deny enrollment. Nothing "natural" about that. Gate in playoffs? You do realize that 10% off the top, then a 50/50 split. Not much gate, assuming you make the playoffs at all. Teams that dont make the playoffs, are "denied gate" as well. You a socialist? No denied voice. You got to vote. You just lost the vote. "Tyranny", well, does every one who loses a vote get to scream "Tyranny"? If thats the case, every team that gets skull drug by John Curtis should scream "Tyranny" of the better players recruited from all of greater NOLA. So your believe that if the LHSAA voted all Charter, Magnet, and Private schools out of the LHSAA, that would show ethics and morals? Drama much? I answered the question, you did not like the answer your denials make no sense and are without clear reasoning because teams that make the playoffs, many as district champions, are denied this revenue that less teams in their districts are afforded. This is still a denial of equal status of membership by an organization to certain members. Slander and personal attacks are meaningless and tyranny is never admitted by the tyrannical. Finally yes, it is the way of cowardice for a group such as 4A public Schools and 5A public schools to ban together at the detriment of other public schools, 1A and 2A, to demand that John Curtis and Evangel play against much lesser schools, that West Monroe and Ruston would not have to face them in the playoffs. Yes, it is tyranny when a larger group violates the very bylaws and ethics of fair play against members of a minority class. By definition.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 13:02:32 GMT -6
"Natural Classification" goes out the window when you can deny enrollment. Nothing "natural" about that. Gate in playoffs? You do realize that 10% off the top, then a 50/50 split. Not much gate, assuming you make the playoffs at all. Teams that dont make the playoffs, are "denied gate" as well. You a socialist? No denied voice. You got to vote. You just lost the vote. "Tyranny", well, does every one who loses a vote get to scream "Tyranny"? If thats the case, every team that gets skull drug by John Curtis should scream "Tyranny" of the better players recruited from all of greater NOLA. So your believe that if the LHSAA voted all Charter, Magnet, and Private schools out of the LHSAA, that would show ethics and morals? Drama much? I answered the question, you did not like the answer your denials make no sense and are without clear reasoning because teams that make the playoffs, many as district champions, are denied this revenue that less teams in their districts are afforded. This is still a denial of equal status of membership by an organization to certain members. Slander and personal attacks are meaningless and tyranny is never admitted by the tyrannical. Finally yes, it is the way of cowardice for a group such as 4A public Schools and 5A public schools to ban together at the detriment of other public schools, 1A and 2A, to demand that John Curtis and Evangel play against much lesser schools, that West Monroe and Ruston would not have to face them in the playoffs. Yes, it is tyranny when a larger group violates the very bylaws and ethics of fair play against members of a minority class. By definition. "ruling with absolute power over a population cruelly kept submissive and fearful." That is the definition on tyrannical. I do not see any program being cruelly kept submissive and fearful.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 13:12:33 GMT -6
I will answer your questions. We are not playing for the same championships, but rather a separate and unequal championship with teams forced out of their natural classification, played with less fanfare and reduction in status at times that prohibit fan participation. There is no public school being forced to compete UP in classification. We are also out gate money because we have fewer playoff games. We are also denied a voice in decision making and have been subjected to the tyranny of the majority. Even though we pay the same amount of money to the LHSAA for membership we are treated as substandard and unwanted members. If the LHSAA had any real moral and ethical standards, they would go ahead and vote all private, Charter and Magnet schools out of the LHSAA. You could do it with a simple majority vote. 1. I agree with number of playoff games and that is why all brackets should be only 16 teams. 2. Why do you play with less fanfare. Public school my kids go to have no issue with that. We would have the same amount of fans with we played a 7am Monday morning or 8pm Saturday night. If you a true fan times and dates do not matter. 3. You pay the same amount and have the same vote, 1. So in anything in life if you are out vote you should leave? If that is the case I should have left this country 7 years ago, but I dinn't. Ah yes #3 by that reasoning I would have been on the boat with you 7 years ago, but it did not stop me from working to make the changes to restrict what happens by my continued vote and voice my disapproval of all that has been done that I disagree with. I wrote letters, made calls, supported politicians and attempted to get things changed or stopped. I did not simply accepted whatever dictates where cast down. Same thing here with the split. Where FASCISM and tyranny does is attempt to deny my voice of opposition to both the split and the government. Those trying to silence the voice of descent are the fascist tyrants of which I speak.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 13:16:17 GMT -6
1. I agree with number of playoff games and that is why all brackets should be only 16 teams. 2. Why do you play with less fanfare. Public school my kids go to have no issue with that. We would have the same amount of fans with we played a 7am Monday morning or 8pm Saturday night. If you a true fan times and dates do not matter. 3. You pay the same amount and have the same vote, 1. So in anything in life if you are out vote you should leave? If that is the case I should have left this country 7 years ago, but I dinn't. Ah yes #3 by that reasoning I would have been on the boat with you 7 years ago, but it did not stop me from working to make the changes to restrict what happens by my continued vote and voice my disapproval of all that has been done that I disagree with. I wrote letters, made calls, supported politicians and attempted to get things changed or stopped. I did not simply accepted whatever dictates where cast down. Same thing here with the split. Where FASCISM and tyranny does is attempt to deny my voice of opposition to both the split and the government. Those trying to silence the voice of descent are the fascist tyrants of which I speak. So then you have set down with the principal of the school you support, tried to come with a plan that would work and the principal will put it on the agenda at next years meeting.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 13:24:17 GMT -6
I answered the question, you did not like the answer your denials make no sense and are without clear reasoning because teams that make the playoffs, many as district champions, are denied this revenue that less teams in their districts are afforded. This is still a denial of equal status of membership by an organization to certain members. Slander and personal attacks are meaningless and tyranny is never admitted by the tyrannical. Finally yes, it is the way of cowardice for a group such as 4A public Schools and 5A public schools to ban together at the detriment of other public schools, 1A and 2A, to demand that John Curtis and Evangel play against much lesser schools, that West Monroe and Ruston would not have to face them in the playoffs. Yes, it is tyranny when a larger group violates the very bylaws and ethics of fair play against members of a minority class. By definition. "ruling with absolute power over a population cruelly kept submissive and fearful." That is the definition on tyrannical. I do not see any program being cruelly kept submissive and fearful. But that is exactly what is happening, you just do not, cannot or are unwilling to see it. Every Select program is cruelly being kept submissive and fearful that the next shoe will drop. How long will it be before within the LHSAA by a majority vote will come along and the bylaws will be change to put into place a fee or surcharge for private school membership by student participation. How long will it be before private schools will be restricted as some have suggested on this board, to not allow their students to participate in athletics. I live in a parish that does not have a local private school but within a short (less than 15 minutes drive) there are 4 very good private schools. By some on this board, my kids should not be allowed to play at any of these private schools even though my kids NEVER attended a public school. That by definition is denial of rights, being forced into submission and fearful that penalties and actions will be taken against my family by the community in this case the public school principals who simply want my kids at their school. (by the way, not really, the superintendent of that local school board offered to give me a letter of release to attend any school public or private because they simply did not want to pay to send a school bus to pick up my kids, not that I am remote but it is an 8 mile run that no school bus currently or ever has made).
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 22, 2016 13:29:44 GMT -6
Ah yes #3 by that reasoning I would have been on the boat with you 7 years ago, but it did not stop me from working to make the changes to restrict what happens by my continued vote and voice my disapproval of all that has been done that I disagree with. I wrote letters, made calls, supported politicians and attempted to get things changed or stopped. I did not simply accepted whatever dictates where cast down. Same thing here with the split. Where FASCISM and tyranny does is attempt to deny my voice of opposition to both the split and the government. Those trying to silence the voice of descent are the fascist tyrants of which I speak. So then you have set down with the principal of the school you support, tried to come with a plan that would work and the principal will put it on the agenda at next years meeting. Not just my school but also my brother in law who is a principal at another school and a friend who is the principal at a local public high school. Our kids were in Boy Scouts together. Some of them have been very active in opposing the split as it exists. And they all know that I have long favored a complete split.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 13:41:44 GMT -6
"ruling with absolute power over a population cruelly kept submissive and fearful." That is the definition on tyrannical. I do not see any program being cruelly kept submissive and fearful. But that is exactly what is happening, you just do not, cannot or are unwilling to see it. Every Select program is cruelly being kept submissive and fearful that the next shoe will drop. How long will it be before within the LHSAA by a majority vote will come along and the bylaws will be change to put into place a fee or surcharge for private school membership by student participation. How long will it be before private schools will be restricted as some have suggested on this board, to not allow their students to participate in athletics. I live in a parish that does not have a local private school but within a short (less than 15 minutes drive) there are 4 very good private schools. By some on this board, my kids should not be allowed to play at any of these private schools even though my kids NEVER attended a public school. That by definition is denial of rights, being forced into submission and fearful that penalties and actions will be taken against my family by the community in this case the public school principals who simply want my kids at their school. (by the way, not really, the superintendent of that local school board offered to give me a letter of release to attend any school public or private because they simply did not want to pay to send a school bus to pick up my kids, not that I am remote but it is an 8 mile run that no school bus currently or ever has made). Your issue with your kid not being allowed to play is with your School Board not LHSAA. Waiting for the next shoe to drop, yes if you sit back and do nothing you are by right waiting on the next shoe to drop. Work with your principal and come up with a better plan, there is always a better plan. But saying every time that you are out vote you need to go start a new group is not reality. There nothing that was put into place that hurts any school. Every school has regular season games, then there are playoffs and then a champion is crowned. Cannot show how any school that is hurt by then new system. Only difference is size of playoff brackets and I say all playoff brackets should be 16 teams. If private want their championships games played on Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon I say give it to them, it makes no difference to our fans we support no matter what time.
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Post by btown on Mar 22, 2016 13:43:58 GMT -6
So then you have set down with the principal of the school you support, tried to come with a plan that would work and the principal will put it on the agenda at next years meeting. Not just my school but also my brother in law who is a principal at another school and a friend who is the principal at a local public high school. Our kids were in Boy Scouts together. Some of them have been very active in opposing the split as it exists. And they all know that I have long favored a complete split. Sounds like you have a plan, get with your school and start a new league. There also is one out there already, you need to talk to your school and get them to join that one.
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Post by eag on Mar 23, 2016 8:01:04 GMT -6
But that is exactly what is happening, you just do not, cannot or are unwilling to see it. Every Select program is cruelly being kept submissive and fearful that the next shoe will drop. How long will it be before within the LHSAA by a majority vote will come along and the bylaws will be change to put into place a fee or surcharge for private school membership by student participation. How long will it be before private schools will be restricted as some have suggested on this board, to not allow their students to participate in athletics. I live in a parish that does not have a local private school but within a short (less than 15 minutes drive) there are 4 very good private schools. By some on this board, my kids should not be allowed to play at any of these private schools even though my kids NEVER attended a public school. That by definition is denial of rights, being forced into submission and fearful that penalties and actions will be taken against my family by the community in this case the public school principals who simply want my kids at their school. (by the way, not really, the superintendent of that local school board offered to give me a letter of release to attend any school public or private because they simply did not want to pay to send a school bus to pick up my kids, not that I am remote but it is an 8 mile run that no school bus currently or ever has made). Your issue with your kid not being allowed to play is with your School Board not LHSAA. Waiting for the next shoe to drop, yes if you sit back and do nothing you are by right waiting on the next shoe to drop. Work with your principal and come up with a better plan, there is always a better plan. But saying every time that you are out vote you need to go start a new group is not reality. There nothing that was put into place that hurts any school. Every school has regular season games, then there are playoffs and then a champion is crowned. Cannot show how any school that is hurt by then new system. Only difference is size of playoff brackets and I say all playoff brackets should be 16 teams. If private want their championships games played on Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon I say give it to them, it makes no difference to our fans we support no matter what time. To answer your earlier question about what has been taken from private schools with the split: private schools who are no more equipped to be competitive with football factories have been moved into brackets that now have a much larger concentration of said factories than the previous brackets. They were send there by schools who were supposed to be working together for competitive balance, but who seem COMPLETELY satisfied with throwing their neighbor to the lions rather than getting rid of the lions. There is still terrible competitive imbalance within the select brackets, but the rank and file no longer care. Also, if you look critically at the private brackets, it is evident that these playoffs will be the same match ups year after year. Teams won't get the experience of playing new schools in new areas. As far as the majority vote thing, the difference is that the votes were individual votes but they voted to move an entire class out of the mainstream. When my school is being penalized for activities of another school because we share a superficial characteristic, then that is a different animal. And I'll never be able to overturn it as my 'group' is smaller than the other 'group'. My vote therefore will never count again.
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Post by iknownuthing on Mar 23, 2016 9:15:54 GMT -6
But that is exactly what is happening, you just do not, cannot or are unwilling to see it. Every Select program is cruelly being kept submissive and fearful that the next shoe will drop. How long will it be before within the LHSAA by a majority vote will come along and the bylaws will be change to put into place a fee or surcharge for private school membership by student participation. How long will it be before private schools will be restricted as some have suggested on this board, to not allow their students to participate in athletics. I live in a parish that does not have a local private school but within a short (less than 15 minutes drive) there are 4 very good private schools. By some on this board, my kids should not be allowed to play at any of these private schools even though my kids NEVER attended a public school. That by definition is denial of rights, being forced into submission and fearful that penalties and actions will be taken against my family by the community in this case the public school principals who simply want my kids at their school. (by the way, not really, the superintendent of that local school board offered to give me a letter of release to attend any school public or private because they simply did not want to pay to send a school bus to pick up my kids, not that I am remote but it is an 8 mile run that no school bus currently or ever has made). Your issue with your kid not being allowed to play is with your School Board not LHSAA. Waiting for the next shoe to drop, yes if you sit back and do nothing you are by right waiting on the next shoe to drop. Work with your principal and come up with a better plan, there is always a better plan. But saying every time that you are out vote you need to go start a new group is not reality. There nothing that was put into place that hurts any school. Every school has regular season games, then there are playoffs and then a champion is crowned. Cannot show how any school that is hurt by then new system. Only difference is size of playoff brackets and I say all playoff brackets should be 16 teams. If private want their championships games played on Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon I say give it to them, it makes no difference to our fans we support no matter what time. Wow, I posted on this earlier and it is gone. Wonder what happened. Any way: My issue is not with the school boards they were willing to work with me. It is with those public school parents who want to stop kids from participating at their chosen school. They want to limit my right of free association. I have worked with not only my private school but with the local public school too. My plan would be the complete split. You don't want us so we will take our money and go away. Schools hurt by the playoff split: STM, Parkview Baptist, Rummel, Catholic BR who played 2 fewer games than the non select schools and were short changed at the gate compared to their Public school finalist., John Curtis and Evangel ( of course that is the intent for the last two) St. Pauls, Brother Martin, U Lab and De La Salle all were short changed and hurt by the playoff formats by one fewer game than the public sector opportunity.
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Post by btown on Mar 23, 2016 9:25:57 GMT -6
Your issue with your kid not being allowed to play is with your School Board not LHSAA. Waiting for the next shoe to drop, yes if you sit back and do nothing you are by right waiting on the next shoe to drop. Work with your principal and come up with a better plan, there is always a better plan. But saying every time that you are out vote you need to go start a new group is not reality. There nothing that was put into place that hurts any school. Every school has regular season games, then there are playoffs and then a champion is crowned. Cannot show how any school that is hurt by then new system. Only difference is size of playoff brackets and I say all playoff brackets should be 16 teams. If private want their championships games played on Friday afternoon and Saturday afternoon I say give it to them, it makes no difference to our fans we support no matter what time. To answer your earlier question about what has been taken from private schools with the split: private schools who are no more equipped to be competitive with football factories have been moved into brackets that now have a much larger concentration of said factories than the previous brackets. They were send there by schools who were supposed to be working together for competitive balance, but who seem COMPLETELY satisfied with throwing their neighbor to the lions rather than getting rid of the lions. There is still terrible competitive imbalance within the select brackets, but the rank and file no longer care. Also, if you look critically at the private brackets, it is evident that these playoffs will be the same match ups year after year. Teams won't get the experience of playing new schools in new areas. As far as the majority vote thing, the difference is that the votes were individual votes but they voted to move an entire class out of the mainstream. When my school is being penalized for activities of another school because we share a superficial characteristic, then that is a different animal. And I'll never be able to overturn it as my 'group' is smaller than the other 'group'. My vote therefore will never count again. So you are saying since it does not benifit you it is bad. In any system there will always be someone or some group on the outside looking in. Sorry that you do not like the new system but it is not the fault of any person that comes up with a idea that benifits their school, which is and should be their only concern, and does not help yours. The new system came about from the lack of enforcement of rules and the turning of heads when rules are broken and a lack of oversight by the LHSAA. I keep slapping you in the face every day and eventually you will do something about. Is the split the best, I will be the first to say that there is probably something better out there but it is that best proposal that has been but out there. But when I look at the the playoff brackets from quarter finals own prior to the split and private school are the domate schools then there are issue, especial when in the LHSAA membership private schools are out numbered by public. You can cut it, dice it I don't care what you show me there is a advantage for private schools that public schools do not have and those issues have been debated over and over again and neither side sees the other. So then we get to what has Bonine done to solve the problem, nothing. He came to the first LHSAA meeting and told everyone give me a year to see what needs to be done and what did he do nothing. I do not know about you but I would have found the big backers of he split and start meeting with them to see what their concerns were, which he did not. Then I would do the same thing with none split supports, then bring the groups togehter and see what could be done to make both sides happy. No wait what he decide do is wait until the agenda was final and put out, drop a bomb on everyone and then think everybody will come togehter to work towards a common goal. You want the split solved then LHSAA needs a new leader until then the principals will probably stay split also.
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Post by pinion on Mar 23, 2016 11:13:21 GMT -6
Offer them more money, they'll come right on over. It could actually work out nicely for refs. If new organization offers $10 more per game, then LHSAA offers 5 more than that. Then new org offers 5 more than that, and so on. Refs may end up rolling bank for every game. haha. I've given this new organization idea a bit more thought. I think that if it happens, what could end up happening is the same sort of thing when private schools were forced to play to their enrollment; the smaller public schools will be the ones paying the price for it. small public schools would have fewer other small schools to compete with because the smaller private schools would be gone. That means more expenses to get to games and more beat downs from larger schools. If you have rural public school A close to rural private school A and private school is in a different league, they may just draw away any talent public school has because there will be no punishment for doing so. A big school can lose a kid or 2 and it may not hurt them that much. A small school loses a kid or 2 and it can ruin their season. That said, I'm still 100% behind the idea because I do not believe the LHSAA gives a rip about private schools and only wants their money. I also believe that public schools do not want us there, so why stay? If my boss walks in right now and tells me he'd rather me not work here, I'm packing my things. On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. a 32 team playoff bracket. The ability to play whomever makes the 32 team cut for a championship. If it's a simple as you say, then there should be no problem and we can do away with the split. We can rehash the whole discussion from the top if you want. I stand by what I've said from the very start of this: Any "advantage" private schools have has been created by the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. School boards decide where they will and won't take kids from.
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Post by btown on Mar 23, 2016 12:24:30 GMT -6
On the rural private school drawing talent from the rural public school, if the parents could afford to send them to the private school they would have already enrolled their kid in the private school. I have the same question that I have been looking for a answer to that no one can give. What are the private schools being denied that the public schools are being allowed to do. Does everyone get to play for a State Championship? I think so, so the public schools get no more than the privates. a 32 team playoff bracket. The ability to play whomever makes the 32 team cut for a championship. If it's a simple as you say, then there should be no problem and we can do away with the split. We can rehash the whole discussion from the top if you want. I stand by what I've said from the very start of this: Any "advantage" private schools have has been created by the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. School boards decide where they will and won't take kids from. Does not having a 32 bracket hurt your school and also if you see I said go to 16 team brackets. But does not matter the split is here to stay and schools break away and make there on association. then so be it. We will still play football on friday nights, play two basketball, baseball and softball games per week with a few tournaments. Nothing changes.
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Post by Brad on Mar 23, 2016 12:31:44 GMT -6
I stand by what I've said from the very start of this: Any "advantage" private schools have has been created by the school boards. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. School boards decide where they will and won't take kids from. I assume what you mean by this is that if the Jefferson/Orleans/Plaquemines/St Tammany/St Charles/Etc Parish school boards combined to allow students to go to any school in the New Orleans metro area then the Private schools wouldn't have an advantage?? How would this work exactly? And as a school board, why would they ever approve something like this? Even within their own Parish it wouldn't work.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Mar 23, 2016 12:53:54 GMT -6
parents and taxpayers are holding down their schools... saying "we do not want kids from Orleans crossing the St. Bernard/Jefferson/Plaquemines etc. line. we pay tax to educate our kids and our kids only". those are the kids going to Landry Walker, Karr, Easton, and 35 getting offers, and parents at Chalmette or Belle Chasse or wherever don't want to accept them because it will hurt their academics. some places haven't completely sold out to win in football.
in less populated areas of the state, there are simply not enough kids to compete no matter how far and wide they take them from. granted their best kids are better than the best select school kids in their bracket, but their worse kids are far worse due to coaching
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Post by Raven on Mar 23, 2016 14:36:53 GMT -6
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Post by eag on Mar 23, 2016 16:19:47 GMT -6
To answer your earlier question about what has been taken from private schools with the split: private schools who are no more equipped to be competitive with football factories have been moved into brackets that now have a much larger concentration of said factories than the previous brackets. They were send there by schools who were supposed to be working together for competitive balance, but who seem COMPLETELY satisfied with throwing their neighbor to the lions rather than getting rid of the lions. There is still terrible competitive imbalance within the select brackets, but the rank and file no longer care. Also, if you look critically at the private brackets, it is evident that these playoffs will be the same match ups year after year. Teams won't get the experience of playing new schools in new areas. As far as the majority vote thing, the difference is that the votes were individual votes but they voted to move an entire class out of the mainstream. When my school is being penalized for activities of another school because we share a superficial characteristic, then that is a different animal. And I'll never be able to overturn it as my 'group' is smaller than the other 'group'. My vote therefore will never count again. So you are saying since it does not benifit you it is bad. In any system there will always be someone or some group on the outside looking in. Sorry that you do not like the new system but it is not the fault of any person that comes up with a idea that benifits their school, which is and should be their only concern, and does not help yours. The new system came about from the lack of enforcement of rules and the turning of heads when rules are broken and a lack of oversight by the LHSAA. I keep slapping you in the face every day and eventually you will do something about. Is the split the best, I will be the first to say that there is probably something better out there but it is that best proposal that has been but out there. But when I look at the the playoff brackets from quarter finals own prior to the split and private school are the domate schools then there are issue, especial when in the LHSAA membership private schools are out numbered by public. You can cut it, dice it I don't care what you show me there is a advantage for private schools that public schools do not have and those issues have been debated over and over again and neither side sees the other. So then we get to what has Bonine done to solve the problem, nothing. He came to the first LHSAA meeting and told everyone give me a year to see what needs to be done and what did he do nothing. I do not know about you but I would have found the big backers of he split and start meeting with them to see what their concerns were, which he did not. Then I would do the same thing with none split supports, then bring the groups togehter and see what could be done to make both sides happy. No wait what he decide do is wait until the agenda was final and put out, drop a bomb on everyone and then think everybody will come togehter to work towards a common goal. You want the split solved then LHSAA needs a new leader until then the principals will probably stay split also. So you are saying since it does not benifit you it is bad. No, I'm saying that it is bad because it targets too broadly. I keep slapping you in the face every day and eventually you will do something about. What this is like would be closer to if a Hispanic guy at school slapped you in the face repeatedly and all whites voted and made ALL Hispanics have to attend separate break periods from the rest of the students. Nothing specific done against the guy who slapped you, just all of them. Yes, it solves the issue in that you are no longer exposed to the slapper, but it is a really bad plan. Slapper is still slapping folks, but you are ok with it because they are Hispanic just like the slapper and YOU aren't getting slapped? And the Hispanics can never overturn the vote as there are not enough of them. The issue is that majority votes work when applicable an individual, but not when applying to a class. I'd have no issue if a majority on LHSAA members voted to move my school in class due to what my school did. But not class warfare like this.
what has Bonine done to solve the problem, nothing Agree from quarter finals own prior to the split and private school are the domate schools Lot of private schools have not made the quarters. Lots. Why did we move them?
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 7:31:35 GMT -6
So you are saying since it does not benifit you it is bad. In any system there will always be someone or some group on the outside looking in. Sorry that you do not like the new system but it is not the fault of any person that comes up with a idea that benifits their school, which is and should be their only concern, and does not help yours. The new system came about from the lack of enforcement of rules and the turning of heads when rules are broken and a lack of oversight by the LHSAA. I keep slapping you in the face every day and eventually you will do something about. Is the split the best, I will be the first to say that there is probably something better out there but it is that best proposal that has been but out there. But when I look at the the playoff brackets from quarter finals own prior to the split and private school are the domate schools then there are issue, especial when in the LHSAA membership private schools are out numbered by public. You can cut it, dice it I don't care what you show me there is a advantage for private schools that public schools do not have and those issues have been debated over and over again and neither side sees the other. So then we get to what has Bonine done to solve the problem, nothing. He came to the first LHSAA meeting and told everyone give me a year to see what needs to be done and what did he do nothing. I do not know about you but I would have found the big backers of he split and start meeting with them to see what their concerns were, which he did not. Then I would do the same thing with none split supports, then bring the groups togehter and see what could be done to make both sides happy. No wait what he decide do is wait until the agenda was final and put out, drop a bomb on everyone and then think everybody will come togehter to work towards a common goal. You want the split solved then LHSAA needs a new leader until then the principals will probably stay split also. So you are saying since it does not benifit you it is bad. No, I'm saying that it is bad because it targets too broadly. I keep slapping you in the face every day and eventually you will do something about. What this is like would be closer to if a Hispanic guy at school slapped you in the face repeatedly and all whites voted and made ALL Hispanics have to attend separate break periods from the rest of the students. Nothing specific done against the guy who slapped you, just all of them. Yes, it solves the issue in that you are no longer exposed to the slapper, but it is a really bad plan. Slapper is still slapping folks, but you are ok with it because they are Hispanic just like the slapper and YOU aren't getting slapped? And the Hispanics can never overturn the vote as there are not enough of them. The issue is that majority votes work when applicable an individual, but not when applying to a class. I'd have no issue if a majority on LHSAA members voted to move my school in class due to what my school did. But not class warfare like this.
what has Bonine done to solve the problem, nothing Agree from quarter finals own prior to the split and private school are the domate schools Lot of private schools have not made the quarters. Lots. Why did we move them? Until the LHSAA is willing to enforce the rules the split is what we will have. You are correct not all private and there are public schools also that bend the rules and break them. But that is what you get when rules are not enforced, you have a group that came up with split and it passed.
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Post by Truthman on Mar 24, 2016 8:33:51 GMT -6
The truth is very simple. Some people cheat, period. They understand the spirit of the rules, and blatantly break them. We, me, you, do it most everytime we drive. We dont think we are hurting anyone, but we fudge a little on the speed limit. Its in most folks human nature.
When it comes to HS athletic, its much the same. Some, most, cheat to some degree. The difference is the select schools ability to deny enrollment and control the everyday culture of their schools which GREATLY influences test scores, hallway and class room discipline, etc...... is a HUGE advantage.
Hence, we split. Now, the kids in the Louisiana Legislature are trying to force the hand of the non select schools. They may be successful. Its unlikely, but possible. If they are, there is one, simple, fact, they are forgetting. You cant FORCE anyone to play anyone. You will see some schools simply refuse to play. They will play a fine, and move on. If this happens enough, are we any better off? You cant legislate morality, sexuality, or a parents will with their children.
The La. Legislature better be careful what they meddle with, or wish for. They may just get it.
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Post by pioneerforlife on Mar 24, 2016 9:10:52 GMT -6
The issue of referees is legit and yes they will be able to do whatever games they choose in whatever league or multiple leagues they so desire but there are only so many to go around and despite the spattering on here of money being offered it will not be enough to make a huge difference. Then there is the ultimate issue as the NFHS only recognizes one association per state and I doubt seriously they will be recognized by any other association as long as the LHSAA is in tact. Just look at Texas and see what association is recognized by the NFHS. The sad thing is you have those on either side that are so head strong against the other much like the lack of leadership we have seen in our present LHSAA and the members - principals from both public and private schools who are more concerned with their own and forgetting the kids. This is just a question. I am a principal and I have one vote, should my concern and how to vote be about best for LHSAA or my school? Second the problem comes down to the leadership of the LHSAA, they have no leader and he did nothing to solve the problem, all he did was blind side one group and then think they would come together to work on a common goal. Do not blame the principals blame Bonine. I would hope your vote comes down to whats best for your school. Have you talked to each head coach and asked them how they feel about this?
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 9:39:11 GMT -6
This is just a question. I am a principal and I have one vote, should my concern and how to vote be about best for LHSAA or my school? Second the problem comes down to the leadership of the LHSAA, they have no leader and he did nothing to solve the problem, all he did was blind side one group and then think they would come together to work on a common goal. Do not blame the principals blame Bonine. I would hope your vote comes down to whats best for your school. Have you talked to each head coach and asked them how they feel about this? The vote shows how they feel the majority voted for the new playoff systeem. If the head coach and principal are not working hand in hand then that school has more problems than the split.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 9:48:29 GMT -6
The truth is very simple. Some people cheat, period. They understand the spirit of the rules, and blatantly break them. We, me, you, do it most everytime we drive. We dont think we are hurting anyone, but we fudge a little on the speed limit. Its in most folks human nature. When it comes to HS athletic, its much the same. Some, most, cheat to some degree. The difference is the select schools ability to deny enrollment and control the everyday culture of their schools which GREATLY influences test scores, hallway and class room discipline, etc...... is a HUGE advantage. Hence, we split. Now, the kids in the Louisiana Legislature are trying to force the hand of the non select schools. They may be successful. Its unlikely, but possible. If they are, there is one, simple, fact, they are forgetting. You cant FORCE anyone to play anyone. You will see some schools simply refuse to play. They will play a fine, and move on. If this happens enough, are we any better off? You cant legislate morality, sexuality, or a parents will with their children. The La. Legislature better be careful what they meddle with, or wish for. They may just get it. I already know of some head football coaches that refuse to schedule any private schools. Whether it is right or wrong that is the facts and what people need to understand there are bigger issues that need to be fixed if they ever want the playoffs system to come back together. What is bad, perception is 100% of reality and until this can be change nothing will change. The legislatures cannot force any group to get along. We can argue each side but until the realy issues (perception) are sovled LHSAA will not move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 9:52:56 GMT -6
The truth is very simple. Some people cheat, period. They understand the spirit of the rules, and blatantly break them. We, me, you, do it most everytime we drive. We dont think we are hurting anyone, but we fudge a little on the speed limit. Its in most folks human nature. When it comes to HS athletic, its much the same. Some, most, cheat to some degree. The difference is the select schools ability to deny enrollment and control the everyday culture of their schools which GREATLY influences test scores, hallway and class room discipline, etc...... is a HUGE advantage.Hence, we split. Now, the kids in the Louisiana Legislature are trying to force the hand of the non select schools. They may be successful. Its unlikely, but possible. If they are, there is one, simple, fact, they are forgetting. You cant FORCE anyone to play anyone. You will see some schools simply refuse to play. They will play a fine, and move on. If this happens enough, are we any better off? You cant legislate morality, sexuality, or a parents will with their children. The La. Legislature better be careful what they meddle with, or wish for. They may just get it. This has zero advantage athletically. Every football team selects who from the school can play on the team and will kick a trouble maker off the team. No team is keeping bad apples on the team, on the practice field, or in the game. This is a the absolute epitome of jealousy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 9:55:05 GMT -6
I already know of some head football coaches that refuse to schedule any private schools. Whether it is right or wrong that is the facts and what people need to understand there are bigger issues that need to be fixed if they ever want the playoffs system to come back together. What is bad, perception is 100% of reality and until this can be change nothing will change. The legislatures cannot force any group to get along. We can argue each side but until the realy issues (perception) are sovled LHSAA will not move forward. But, what they can do is not allow public schools to be associated with the LHSAA. If the law passes
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 9:58:53 GMT -6
I already know of some head football coaches that refuse to schedule any private schools. Whether it is right or wrong that is the facts and what people need to understand there are bigger issues that need to be fixed if they ever want the playoffs system to come back together. What is bad, perception is 100% of reality and until this can be change nothing will change. The legislatures cannot force any group to get along. We can argue each side but until the realy issues (perception) are sovled LHSAA will not move forward. But, what they can do is not allow public schools to be associated with the LHSAA. If the law passes I understand that, what I am saying just because you pass a law that says we have to play together does not mean I have to play nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 10:05:05 GMT -6
But, what they can do is not allow public schools to be associated with the LHSAA. If the law passes I understand that, what I am saying just because you pass a law that says we have to play together does not mean I have to play nice. That is true. And evident by the vote. It wasn't done to correct anything, it was just done to "get them". You know currently, private schools that have participated in tournaments and meets across N.LA. are deciding not to participate this year and are forming their own tournaments and meets. I see next year an attempt to not support each other as schools. Similar to the way we split politically. It doesn't ever seem to get better does it. Politically it has lead to probably the worst crop of candidates for the highest office in our country. Where will this lead? A new association and a hostile legislature? seems sad and short sighted to me.
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Post by btown on Mar 24, 2016 10:10:42 GMT -6
But again what has Bonine done to fix this, nothing. I keep saying and saying, people do agree. We keep argueing back at each other about our on opinion, what we need to be posting about is LHSAA sending Bonine back west and find someone that can lead LHSAA.
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