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Post by iamray on May 13, 2019 15:13:31 GMT -6
the thing that gets lost in the public private debate is that public schools can get every single kid from a given zone where as privates can't does anyone on this message board really think that a kid with at least the same talent level doesn't exist inside the crowley zone that didn't attend nd the gents have the son of a nfl player playing quarter back he's 6' 3 170 and can fly they have a giant defensive lineman kendall harmon they have grandson of a mcneese guy at rb they also have a big linebacker by the name of Rodney Goodley they are kids in the crowley zone that would greatly improve notre dame's chances of winning that they don't have these are just seniors class of 20 they have juniors class of 21 and soph class of 22 No, what gets lost in these diatribes is the fact that all of this started because private schools abused the inherent privilege of being a private school. Sorry Notre Dame didn’t win big like Curtis or E, but that’s how the cookie crumbles. You can’t fault principals for wanting a level playing field. You, yourself have already stated that a team with 60 players from a school of 180 should not have to matchup with a team of 60 players from a school of 600 students. This is exactly why the split happened. How in the hell did Evangel, with only 300-400 students, COMPETE AND WHOOP a team like WM who has nearly 2,000 kids?? Same with JC in 4A. You don’t realize the hypocrisy of you saying that? Fact is, two private schools ruined it for everyone. Your steadfast pandering to all things private only proves that you cannot take a step back and be impartial. You make up bs terms and throw out rules you hear others speak of at football games but know nothing of them yourself. I’ll give you another chance. Tell me how OCS can send buses to West Monroe and Bastrop when the closest public school is Sterlington? If, AS YOU SAY, private schools have zones assigned by the LHSAA common to the closest public school. Either you are making the rule up or OCS is in direct violation. And, if the rule does exist, it only proves without a doubt that privates have advantages over publics.
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Post by Raven on May 13, 2019 16:27:26 GMT -6
You might want to read up on your own history. That might be a true of some private schools, but not the majority. The majority of private schools in LA are Catholic schools and most Catholic schools were started prior to the advent of public school education, many in 1850s and some even earlier than that. And even in the 1960s most privates were admitting black students before they were allowed to attend their local "white" public schools. So don't bring your cries of racism in this direction. Segregation isn't just about race. It can also be directed against people due to their religious beliefs. Since most private schools are affiliated with a church or particular faith it appears as though they are being singled out due to that. Most non-discrimination policies contain something to the effect of: "shall not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, etc..." Evidently the LHSAA does not follow such a policy, or if they do they are willfully ignoring it in the case of the private schools. Bud I didn't bring racism into this conversation, I believe you did comparing the split to Jim Crow. I didn't say you did. I said don't direct it this way, which you did by implying that private schools exist because of racism. This is simply not true.
Most people don't spend thousands of dollars to send their kids to private school because they are "good" Catholics. They send them there to get them away from the crime and bull s**t flooding the hallways in public schools. So you, in your infinite wisdom, have looked into the hearts and minds of these parents and students and have determined that they are all just living a lie? People continue to send their kids to Catholic schools because in most families, it tradition. Parents and grandparents attended the same school. My family has 6 generations of kids that went to Catholic school going back to the 1870s. As for getting away from the BS at the public schools, I won't deny that's a bonus, but it has no root in segregation. There are much cheaper options available to parents these days who are simply looking for a way out of the public system. As public education in general has continued to get worse in this state, more people are opting for charter or home school options. Some kids are leaving private schools also for these other options, but the traditional religious schools will always have at their core a group of parents and students who are there for the faith-based education.
Religious academies were the first form of education throughout the United States. One of the main reasons so many still exist today is because they can use a form of segregation to build their student body. See previous comment. Also, if this is true why do school's offer tuition assistance and scholarships to help kids who want to attend? You can't claim that private schools are lily-white bastions of purity that exist to keep out the less fortunate, and at the same time accuse them of "cherry-picking" (offering tuition assistance and scholarships to) these same students in an attempt to get them into their schools. That just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by indy on May 13, 2019 18:46:47 GMT -6
IAMRAYCHARLES
again with your busses maybe i can't keep up because that's what you are stuck on in lafayette parish the LEA allows the public "non select" schools to bus out of zone kids so why not come down on them
maybe ouachita christian wouldn't have to bus all over if the school board would change zoned areas for them like they do for Neville i know that ouachita christian wouldn't have to bus if they had a guaranteed population like the different public schools
not as far as the rule you keep referring to about privates having zones
if privates didn't why are only certain kids eligible for varsity as freshman
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Post by kennypowers on May 13, 2019 19:02:44 GMT -6
the thing that gets lost in the public private debate is that public schools can get every single kid from a given zone where as privates can't does anyone on this message board really think that a kid with at least the same talent level doesn't exist inside the crowley zone that didn't attend nd the gents have the son of a nfl player playing quarter back he's 6' 3 170 and can fly they have a giant defensive lineman kendall harmon they have grandson of a mcneese guy at rb they also have a big linebacker by the name of Rodney Goodley they are kids in the crowley zone that would greatly improve notre dame's chances of winning that they don't have these are just seniors class of 20 they have juniors class of 21 and soph class of 22 No, what gets lost in these diatribes is the fact that all of this started because private schools abused the inherent privilege of being a private school. Sorry Notre Dame didn’t win big like Curtis or E, but that’s how the cookie crumbles. You can’t fault principals for wanting a level playing field. You, yourself have already stated that a team with 60 players from a school of 180 should not have to matchup with a team of 60 players from a school of 600 students. This is exactly why the split happened. How in the hell did Evangel, with only 300-400 students, COMPETE AND WHOOP a team like WM who has nearly 2,000 kids?? Same with JC in 4A. You don’t realize the hypocrisy of you saying that? Fact is, two private schools ruined it for everyone. Your steadfast pandering to all things private only proves that you cannot take a step back and be impartial. You make up bs terms and throw out rules you hear others speak of at football games but know nothing of them yourself. I’ll give you another chance. Tell me how OCS can send buses to West Monroe and Bastrop when the closest public school is Sterlington? If, AS YOU SAY, private schools have zones assigned by the LHSAA common to the closest public school. Either you are making the rule up or OCS is in direct violation. And, if the rule does exist, it only proves without a doubt that privates have advantages over publics. Here ya go, here is just one article from Google alone where it states non -public schools take the nearest public school zoning in which it falls. lhsaa.org/uploads/documents/Eligibility_transfers.pdf
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Post by iamray on May 13, 2019 19:42:01 GMT -6
No, what gets lost in these diatribes is the fact that all of this started because private schools abused the inherent privilege of being a private school. Sorry Notre Dame didn’t win big like Curtis or E, but that’s how the cookie crumbles. You can’t fault principals for wanting a level playing field. You, yourself have already stated that a team with 60 players from a school of 180 should not have to matchup with a team of 60 players from a school of 600 students. This is exactly why the split happened. How in the hell did Evangel, with only 300-400 students, COMPETE AND WHOOP a team like WM who has nearly 2,000 kids?? Same with JC in 4A. You don’t realize the hypocrisy of you saying that? Fact is, two private schools ruined it for everyone. Your steadfast pandering to all things private only proves that you cannot take a step back and be impartial. You make up bs terms and throw out rules you hear others speak of at football games but know nothing of them yourself. I’ll give you another chance. Tell me how OCS can send buses to West Monroe and Bastrop when the closest public school is Sterlington? If, AS YOU SAY, private schools have zones assigned by the LHSAA common to the closest public school. Either you are making the rule up or OCS is in direct violation. And, if the rule does exist, it only proves without a doubt that privates have advantages over publics. Here ya go, here is just one article from Google alone where it states non -public schools take the nearest public school zoning in which it falls. lhsaa.org/uploads/documents/Eligibility_transfers.pdfThank god. How hard was that? I did the same google search. Since Indy can't seem to do this and since you seem eager to answer his questions for him, then please answer this question. If, as the rule is written, non-public LHSAA schools are bound inside the same zone as the traditional public school, then how can OCS send buses to Bastrop and West Monroe without breaking said rule? Question 2 - If private schools share a zone with the closest public school, how did Evangel win so many more games over the last 25 years than Huntington? Same zone, right? And hell, Huntington is free and is literally two blocks away. What gives? Why has John Curtis won so many more games and titles than East Jefferson? Same zone, right? And hell, EJ is free. What gives? This is exactly why the split happened. Two private schools took advantage of being private. My point is that private schools have had advantages, whether it be the sit out rule which public schools could not use or the attendance boundary. These advantages split our system. Props to you for linking the rule. You're better at this than others.
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Post by iamray on May 13, 2019 19:51:28 GMT -6
IAMRAYCHARLES again with your busses maybe i can't keep up because that's what you are stuck on in lafayette parish the LEA allows the public "non select" schools to bus out of zone kids so why not come down on them maybe ouachita christian wouldn't have to bus all over if the school board would change zoned areas for them like they do for Neville i know that ouachita christian wouldn't have to bus if they had a guaranteed population like the different public schools not as far as the rule you keep referring to about privates having zones if privates didn't why are only certain kids eligible for varsity as freshman But OCS does have a guaranteed population seeing as they get the same zone as Sterlington....and apparently West Monroe....and Bastrop....hmm. Maybe that is why they charge tuition, right? To cover transportation costs for such an extensive reach. Admit it. You had absolutely zero experience with the rule. If it weren't for your buddy bailing you out, you still wouldn't be able to link the rule. Just be honest with yourself. Can you really not lay blame at the feet of Curtis and Evangel for the split?? Really? If Evangel and Huntington "share a zone," then why hasn't Huntington had remotely the same level of success as Evangel? Huntington is free and literally right around the corner! Evangel siphoned all the talented players they wanted in that "zone" while Huntington had to play the hand they were dealt. You'd be a fool to ignore this advantage.
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Post by iamray on May 13, 2019 19:54:19 GMT -6
have 100 boys on a team out of 180 in the school in no way should match up with a school with 100 boys on a team out of 600 And, PLEASE, address this incredibly hypocritical nonsense! By your own admission, there is no way a school the size of Curtis or Evangel should have ever been able to match up with schools like West Monroe or Neville. Lol, come on, man! You are making the same argument most public schools made. What gives? Please elaborate on this golden nugget of info!
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Post by iamray on May 13, 2019 19:57:48 GMT -6
Geez, where do I even begin with this?
Segregation because the color of skin you are born with (which might I add, no one has control over) does not equate to splitting sports programs private/ public. Obviously a private school could decide to become public? But.....then you would be required to quit picking and choosing your student body right?
Second, for private schools to make the comparison is completely laughable and hypocritical. There is a reason the vast majority of private schools were started in the 60's and 70's. May want to catch up on your history before using Jim Crow laws in your complaint.
Most non-discrimination policies contain something to the effect of: "shall not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, etc..." Evidently the LHSAA does not follow such a policy, or if they do they are willfully ignoring it in the case of the private schools. How and where is the LHSAA guilty of not following or willfully ignoring this policy in regards to private schools?
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Post by indy on May 13, 2019 20:01:13 GMT -6
oh my god ray you are more dense than a quantum singularity
Thank god. How hard was that? I did the same google search. Since Indy can't seem to do this and since you seem eager to answer his questions for him, then please answer this question. - referenced that rule already
If, as the rule is written, non-public LHSAA schools are bound inside the same zone as the traditional public school, then how can OCS send buses to Bastrop and West Monroe without breaking said rule? - NO RULE EXIST ABOUT BUSING infact the lhsaa allows privates a larger zone because not every kid in a zone can attend they also allow busing out of zone kids for public schools too example orleans, rapides & lafayette parish
Question 2 - If private schools share a zone with the closest public school, how did Evangel win so many more games over the last 25 years than Huntington? Same zone, right? And hell, Huntington is free and is literally two blocks away. What gives? - no chance it was a better culture, work ethic or coaching maybe it was magic maybe Scientology
Why has John Curtis won so many more games and titles than East Jefferson? Same zone, right? And hell, EJ is free. What gives?
probably because coach Curtis sold his soul to devil in exchange for winning state champions because there is literally no chance it has anything to do with John Curtis starting football with third graders and run they run the same system through high school, no way it's dedication and worth ethic of coaches and players, five days a week summer workouts don't contribute either and John Curtis intense practices and focus on special teams are just a giant smoke screen hiding the truth too
This is exactly why the split happened. Two private schools took advantage of being private. My point is that private schools have had advantages, whether it be the sit out rule which public schools could not use or the attendance boundary. These advantages split our system. Props to you for linking the rule. You're better at this than others. wait two schools won and caused a split - not supposed to demonize the two public schools who caused it though right love the consistency can't blame two public who pushed it but let's send those two privates through the mud
by the way your biggest blind spot is actually thinking public schools follow zones exclusively didn't happen in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s or now
"Fire House Gang" ring a bell?
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 7:26:34 GMT -6
oh my god ray you are more dense than a quantum singularity Thank god. How hard was that? I did the same google search. Since Indy can't seem to do this and since you seem eager to answer his questions for him, then please answer this question. - referenced that rule already If, as the rule is written, non-public LHSAA schools are bound inside the same zone as the traditional public school, then how can OCS send buses to Bastrop and West Monroe without breaking said rule? - NO RULE EXIST ABOUT BUSING infact the lhsaa allows privates a larger zone because not every kid in a zone can attend they also allow busing out of zone kids for public schools too example orleans, rapides & lafayette parishQuestion 2 - If private schools share a zone with the closest public school, how did Evangel win so many more games over the last 25 years than Huntington? Same zone, right? And hell, Huntington is free and is literally two blocks away. What gives? - no chance it was a better culture, work ethic or coaching maybe it was magic maybe Scientology
Why has John Curtis won so many more games and titles than East Jefferson? Same zone, right? And hell, EJ is free. What gives? probably because coach Curtis sold his soul to devil in exchange for winning state champions because there is literally no chance it has anything to do with John Curtis starting football with third graders and run they run the same system through high school, no way it's dedication and worth ethic of coaches and players, five days a week summer workouts don't contribute either and John Curtis intense practices and focus on special teams are just a giant smoke screen hiding the truth tooThis is exactly why the split happened. Two private schools took advantage of being private. My point is that private schools have had advantages, whether it be the sit out rule which public schools could not use or the attendance boundary. These advantages split our system. Props to you for linking the rule. You're better at this than others. wait two schools won and caused a split - not supposed to demonize the two public schools who caused it though right love the consistency can't blame two public who pushed it but let's send those two privates through the mud
by the way your biggest blind spot is actually thinking public schools follow zones exclusively didn't happen in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s or now
"Fire House Gang" ring a bell? "NO RULE EXIST ABOUT BUSING infact the lhsaa allows privates a larger zone because not every kid in a zone can attend they also allow busing out of zone kids for public schools too example orleans, rapides & lafayette parish" - Ha! Figures. So, OCS can send buses all the way to Bastrop and West Monroe for their students even though they should supposedly be bound to the same zone as Sterlington. Makes no sense whatsoever. Why make a rule constraining privates to a zone and then allow them to travel far beyond it? "in fact the lhsaa allows privates a larger zone"
- LOL, what?! But, but, according to you and the "rule" privates have the same zone as the closest public school?? One of these can't be true. They are in direct contradiction with each other. Get your story straight. Either privates have the same zone or they have a larger zone. Can't be both. Some of you private school goons love talking out of both sides of your mouth."no chance it was a better culture, work ethic or coaching maybe it was magic maybe Scientology"
- See, this is what people who know they can't honestly answer a question resort to. Being facetious. How do you know Huntington didn't have culture, work ethic or coaching? Don't you think Evangel's "coaching," "culture," and "work ethic" has a lot to do with WHO THEY WERE COACHING?? How do you know Huntington wouldn't have had the same success? "probably because coach Curtis sold his soul to devil in exchange for winning state champions because there is literally no chance it has anything to do with John Curtis starting football with third graders and run they run the same system through high school, no way it's dedication and worth ethic of coaches and players, five days a week summer workouts don't contribute either and John Curtis intense practices and focus on special teams are just a giant smoke screen hiding the truth too"
- This is what I really can't stand about some of you private school goons. Not one thing you listed is exclusive to John Curtis. And, you say ALL of this without once mentioning how much the PLAYERS THEY CHOSE contributed. Having the best players equals having great culture, work ethic, coaching, yatta yatta. Most programs do all of this. Curtis and Evangel abused their privilege of being private and split the LHSAA."wait two schools won and caused a split - not supposed to demonize the two public schools who caused it though rightlove the consistency can't blame two public who pushed it but let's send those two privates through the mud"Yes, two schools won A LOT, and caused the split. What two public schools caused the split? Last I checked the overwhelming majority of private and public schools voted in favor of it so your statement can't be true. And let's recap your own statement:
Indy: "A school with a team of 100 players on a team out of 180 in the school in no way should match up with a school with 100 boys on a team out of 600."- This is the SAME argument public schools used! Thanks for making the case for them. Nice to know come private school goons can acknowledge the advantage of being private in some areas.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 7:59:13 GMT -6
ray you suck at math
split votes have been 60% or less
good try with overwhelming majority
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 8:08:23 GMT -6
Ray Ouachita Christian as well as every other private school has a zone only kids from said zone can be eligible for varsity the lhsaa allows schools to enroll kids from outside said zone
HOW ABOUT ADDRESS OUT OF ZONE BUSING BY PUBLIC SCHOOLS?
by the way my culture claim on curtis and evangel go back and read what you said about "selects" you said that the private advantage is excluding kids from their campus i'm using this as basis of culture claim of curtis and evangel there you go your rule justified why evangel and curtis win
once you realize this is stupid your pro split arguement falls apart so go cry to neville and the kid from ferriday who played for them this past year
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Post by Raven on May 14, 2019 9:49:52 GMT -6
Most non-discrimination policies contain something to the effect of: "shall not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, etc..." Evidently the LHSAA does not follow such a policy, or if they do they are willfully ignoring it in the case of the private schools. How and where is the LHSAA guilty of not following or willfully ignoring this policy in regards to private schools? By excluding the private (religious) schools from the traditional playoff format. That could be considered discrimination based on religious beliefs. Even though a separate playoff format has been provided, schools who are members of the same organization, pay the same dues and (theoretically) are supposed to have the same benefits are prevented from competing in the playoffs of their designated classification. Separate but equal, right?
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:11:45 GMT -6
Ray Ouachita Christian as well as every other private school has a zone only kids from said zone can be eligible for varsity the lhsaa allows schools to enroll kids from outside said zone HOW ABOUT ADDRESS OUT OF ZONE BUSING BY PUBLIC SCHOOLS? by the way my culture claim on curtis and evangel go back and read what you said about "selects" you said that the private advantage is excluding kids from their campus i'm using this as basis of culture claim of curtis and evangel there you go your rule justified why evangel and curtis win once you realize this is stupid your pro split arguement falls apart so go cry to neville and the kid from ferriday who played for them this past year This is really tough to read. Next time at least attempt some punctuation. You really just seem upset that Public schools are now doing what privates have always done. It affects your school now, so you have faux outrage. Go prove Neville had a player living in Ferriday while playing for them. You seem to know it all so put your money where your mouth is. Your "culture" claim is bs. You do what every private goon does: "But Curtis and Evangel have better culture, better coaches, more work ethic....blah blah blah." Give me a break. They have all of that because of the players they chose to play for them. Facts. So instead of complaining about public schools, why don't you direct the blame at Evangel and Curtis. Because you and I both know that their success was the catalyst for the split.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 12:15:50 GMT -6
Ray
“Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.” ...
“I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse.” ...
“You don't understand! ...
“Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.” ...
“Here's looking at you, kid.” ...
“Go ahead, make my day.” ...
“All right, Mr. ...
“May the Force be with you.”
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:16:48 GMT -6
How and where is the LHSAA guilty of not following or willfully ignoring this policy in regards to private schools? By excluding the private (religious) schools from the traditional playoff format. That could be considered discrimination based on religious beliefs. Even though a separate playoff format has been provided, schools who are members of the same organization, pay the same dues and (theoretically) are supposed to have the same benefits are prevented from competing in the playoffs of their designated classification. Separate but equal, right? But the principals voted on this measure. It cannot be considered discrimination because it was settled with a vote which included all parties.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 12:17:23 GMT -6
by saying they publics now play out of zone kids and you don't care shows you just hate private schools so it's pointless to argue with you because you just have irrational hatred of private schools
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:18:13 GMT -6
ray you suck at math split votes have been 60% or less good try with overwhelming majority Really? The vote in 2011 was 206-119. When the vote is nearly 2-1 in favor, then yes, overwhelming majority.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 12:18:15 GMT -6
great vote Ray
95 "select" 210 "non select"
can't imagine why this vote turned out one way
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 12:20:30 GMT -6
ray failed civics
2/3 vote is required to over turn a veto
you didn't get 2/3rds vote nice try on overwhelming majority
i bet you wanna eliminate the electoral college too
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:23:47 GMT -6
by saying they publics now play out of zone kids and you don't care shows you just hate private schools so it's pointless to argue with you because you just have irrational hatred of private schools
Show me where I said that I don't care about publics playing out of zone kids. You can't. You have made up so much crap in an effort to be right that you've forgotten to get it right. Again, please address this hypocritical nonsense YOU said: "A school with a team of 100 players on a team out of 180 in the school in no way should match up with 100 boys on a team out of 600." At the very least, acknowledge that this is the SAME ARGUMENT used by public schools who supported the split. I don't have an irrational hatred of private schools. I'm only arguing my opinion. I've stated numerous times in this thread that I wish it would go back to how it was when I was in school (02-06). This was when Evangel played up in 5A and Curtis in 4A. Settle it all on the field. But I'm not stupid. I understand completely why the split happened. The public schools had a very legitimate complaint about those two programs. You'd be a fool to say otherwise.
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:26:07 GMT -6
ray failed civics
2/3 vote is required to over turn a veto
you didn't get 2/3rds vote nice try on overwhelming majority
i bet you wanna eliminate the electoral college too Goodness I've gotten under your skin. I'm going to start charging rent for the amount of space I take up in that head of yours. in 2011, principals in this state voted 206-119 in favor of the split. That is nearly 2 ye's for every nay. Majority.
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:27:58 GMT -6
great vote Ray
95 "select" 210 "non select"
can't imagine why this vote turned out one way Yea, why on earth would 210 principals all feel the same as I do? But hey, the privates did a good job of getting some of the public votes. Lol, the majority made their decision. It probably wouldn't have come to this if not for Evangel and Curtis. God knows Notre Dame wasn't good enough to spark this type of change.
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Post by Raven on May 14, 2019 12:28:28 GMT -6
By excluding the private (religious) schools from the traditional playoff format. That could be considered discrimination based on religious beliefs. Even though a separate playoff format has been provided, schools who are members of the same organization, pay the same dues and (theoretically) are supposed to have the same benefits are prevented from competing in the playoffs of their designated classification. Separate but equal, right? But the principals voted on this measure. It cannot be considered discrimination because it was settled with a vote which included all parties. Which is why I mentioned the Jim Crow laws earlier in this thread. They were also passed by a majority of voters. That didn't make it right nor less discriminatory.
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Post by indy on May 14, 2019 12:32:33 GMT -6
This is really tough to read. Next time at least attempt some punctuation. You really just seem upset that Public schools are now doing what privates have always done. It affects your school now, so you have faux outrage.
this is where
and i'm not even sure what to put you seem to skate around what you don't wanna believe and can't support
i point out actually neville kids you want hard proof you infer on evangel and curtis kids
double standard much
neville and west monroe have skirted around more rules than curtis and evangel admit it
many and winnfield wanted to push an agenda and still don't win
those two are to blame for split as much as evangel and curtis
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:35:47 GMT -6
But the principals voted on this measure. It cannot be considered discrimination because it was settled with a vote which included all parties. Which is why I mentioned the Jim Crow laws earlier in this thread. They were also passed by a majority of voters. That didn't make it right nor less discriminatory. Yes, but every participating school got the same vote. No one was excluded or denied the right to vote. Now I think we would both agree the split is a joke, but I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say the LHSAA utilizes religious discrimination against private schools.
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Post by iamray on May 14, 2019 12:42:27 GMT -6
This is really tough to read. Next time at least attempt some punctuation. You really just seem upset that Public schools are now doing what privates have always done. It affects your school now, so you have faux outrage.this is where
and i'm not even sure what to put you seem to skate around what you don't wanna believe and can't support
i point out actually neville kids you want hard proof you infer on evangel and curtis kids
double standard much
neville and west monroe have skirted around more rules than curtis and evangel admit it
many and winnfield wanted to push an agenda and still don't win
those two are to blame for split as much as evangel and curtis
Double standard huh? You point out Neville kids, but offer no proof. You know what that's called. A guess. Another hypocritical post from Indy. How can you blame Many and Winnfield equally with Curtis and Evangel? Makes no sense to simply disregard the fact that Evangel and Curtis built all-star teams by abusing their privilege of being private. If not for that abuse, you have no complaints from Many or Winnfield.
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Post by warriorsblue on May 14, 2019 13:16:05 GMT -6
I am afraid that with the way it is going,,, it will be two separate associations in the future. Hopefully if that happens the LHSAA will change their mind about allowing games to be played between the two. I hate that the split happened,,, the playoffs are not the same since it is two separate playoffs.
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Post by Raven on May 14, 2019 13:50:09 GMT -6
Which is why I mentioned the Jim Crow laws earlier in this thread. They were also passed by a majority of voters. That didn't make it right nor less discriminatory. Yes, but every participating school got the same vote. No one was excluded or denied the right to vote. Yet, even had every single eligible black voter voted against them, there still would not have been enough votes to overturn the old Jim Crow laws. There simply weren't enough of them. In that respect, the two issues run parallel. Now I think we would both agree the split is a joke, but I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say the LHSAA utilizes religious discrimination against private schools. You are correct, but it's hyperbole to make a point. I realize that the struggle for equality for an entire race of Americans is orders of magnitude greater in importance than who gets to compete against each other in a Louisiana high school playoff game. That's not the point of my comparison. It was merely to illustrate that there are instances where just because a plurality of voters decides that an issue should be a certain way does not automatically make it the correct or the right or the just decision.
It is good to see that many public school supporters are also against the split in its current form. Even the ones that still think private schools have an advantage.
If any future proposals come out to get the private and public schools back together it will be necessary for it to get its start and gain its initial traction on the public side. Any proposal introduced by a private school for this purpose will immediately be attacked and picked apart and amended to the point where it will be nearly useless and then no one will want to vote for it. Similar to what happened with the rural/metro proposal. Even coming from one of the most well-respected coaches in the state (by both sides) it was still destined for the dust bin after being ripped apart with changes.
There will always be some public school principals who will be against any form of reuniting. We can't do anything to change those minds. But the ones who are willing to listen, willing to have the discussion, willing to stand their ground against the loudest and angriest "never togethers", those are the ones who will need to be the backbone behind any kind of push to reunite the two sides.
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Post by chalmetteowl on May 14, 2019 13:55:15 GMT -6
i like how you talked about Curtis and "culture"
when EJ finally got a coach who built a program up, after one championship run, they couldn't keep him, and now EJ is back to being EJ again
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