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Post by Lewis on Jun 22, 2021 21:53:29 GMT -6
The only “benefits” I would agree that they are missing is taking a course in the classroom and that’s only the online students. They have a contract with a workout facility and use it everyday, actually have their own key to the place, they practice 2-3 hours a day which is the same as a JUCO, one of the major parts to me is that THEY ARE RECEIVING AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE!! So wow LCC is helping kids get a degree which will better their future but you guys see a problem with the program, that’s crazy. Any “benefits” I’m missing? Oh and once again the other prep programs don’t offer this that’s why we chose LCC over the others so you would think y’all would be focusing on the other ones. But like they said when you doing great things people will have a problem with it somehow. Serious question… Is this associates degree online schooling being provided to them free of charge because they are playing football? Or are these kids paying the same fees that regular students are paying? Like retired said, their college athletic eligibility clock has started if they are taking college courses. And if they are paying full cost, like any other student…and the payoff is MAYBE an “offer” to play football at a school that will cost an arm and a leg to attend…then this probably isn’t the best route for any kid to take that doesn’t either come from a wealthy family or just wants to play another year or two of organized football. If either of those scenarios are the case, then good for them for taking the opportunity to keep playing the game they love, but if these guys are selling that playing at LCC is a path to playing college football on scholarship, I think they are selling a a pipe dream. All of that said, if they are providing tuition toward the associates degree for playing ball, then its a great thing they are doing for some of these kids that wouldn’t be able to afford it otherwise No how will the classes be offered free of charge? But also you said LCC is selling a pipe dream of playing for them will lead to a scholarship and that’s not what they say or do. They tell the kids that you can play football for them while attaining an associates degree. As a person who was around them this past year, these guys really are about education and helping these kids work towards getting having a better life.
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Post by JustAFootballDude on Jun 23, 2021 13:47:33 GMT -6
Ok they may not say it directly, but they do repost, on their page, people claiming them to be a JUCO. Their head coach did an interview about being the first JUCO football program. And they themselves did claim to be the first 2 year COLLEGE football team in Louisiana, not a PREP football team. All those things lead people to believe they are, or claim to be, a JUCO. Brothers and sisters y’all have to learn to read. Once again and hopefully for the last time my nephew played for the team last season and never have I heard or seen them call themselves a JUCO. You made my point when you said people call them a JUCO and you said they repost it, they only repost when someone comments about going to their program. Now if the kid put JUCO product on their own personal page how is the program calling themselves that. Also I said earlier they had an interview where they were called the first JUCO in Louisiana and the founder said he contacted them and told them they were a prep and that coach is no longer with the program. Now I’m not saying that’s the reason he’s no longer with them so please don’t think that’s what I’m saying. As for the first 2 year college in Louisiana, that’s incorrect. Go on the page and scroll down, it says the first 2 year program. When I inquired about the program for my nephew last year I asked the founder about that and he said the other 2 prep programs at the time only had kids coming to their programs for 6 months and not working towards a degree whereas they will have kids working towards their AA degree which is 2 years. So that’s why they said first 2 year PROGRAM not COLLEGE! I’m going to figure out how to post screenshots to this forum. I have their Twitter pulled up, and am reading a tweet from them that says, and I quote, “We would like to thank ... for bringing the first 2 year COLLEGE football program to Louisiana!” I’m not saying what they are or what they aren’t. I was answering the question as to WHY people think they are a JUCO.
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Post by JustAFootballDude on Jun 23, 2021 13:51:15 GMT -6
And I mentioned them retweeting other people’s posts calling them a JUCO because they repost without correcting.
So most people that read those reposts will assume they are a JUCO.
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Post by Lewis on Jun 23, 2021 15:15:14 GMT -6
Brothers and sisters y’all have to learn to read. Once again and hopefully for the last time my nephew played for the team last season and never have I heard or seen them call themselves a JUCO. You made my point when you said people call them a JUCO and you said they repost it, they only repost when someone comments about going to their program. Now if the kid put JUCO product on their own personal page how is the program calling themselves that. Also I said earlier they had an interview where they were called the first JUCO in Louisiana and the founder said he contacted them and told them they were a prep and that coach is no longer with the program. Now I’m not saying that’s the reason he’s no longer with them so please don’t think that’s what I’m saying. As for the first 2 year college in Louisiana, that’s incorrect. Go on the page and scroll down, it says the first 2 year program. When I inquired about the program for my nephew last year I asked the founder about that and he said the other 2 prep programs at the time only had kids coming to their programs for 6 months and not working towards a degree whereas they will have kids working towards their AA degree which is 2 years. So that’s why they said first 2 year PROGRAM not COLLEGE! I’m going to figure out how to post screenshots to this forum. I have their Twitter pulled up, and am reading a tweet from them that says, and I quote, “We would like to thank ... for bringing the first 2 year COLLEGE football program to Louisiana!” I’m not saying what they are or what they aren’t. I was answering the question as to WHY people think they are a JUCO. I just seen that tweet you’re talking about along with the interview. Like I also stated plenty of times after that interview came out he contacted them and told them his program is not a JUCO. So if he corrected them about the interview I’m pretty sure he corrected them about the tweet also and the person over the page probably forgot to change it or take it down. I see that post is from January 4, 2020 and from that date you don’t see anything before and definitely after that stating college or JUCO because he corrected everyone. But if one tweet out of 100s have y’all saying they’re a college especially something well over a year ago, then you guys are just looking for something to make it seem bad. I can’t believe this world has come to knocking someone who trying to do positive and help the community
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Post by retired on Jun 23, 2021 15:39:58 GMT -6
I agree. From all of your messages here, LCC is clearly not a JUCO. It is much much worse. From what you have said, the kids clocks are running like a JUCO so they are using up their eligibility like a JUCO but rather than getting any of the benefits of playing for an actual college, they are simply playing for an adult travel team. I would say that playing for a JUCO would be much better for the men involved. The only “benefits” I would agree that they are missing is taking a course in the classroom and that’s only the online students. They have a contract with a workout facility and use it everyday, And the workouts are designed by who? Supervised by who? A CSCS certified coach? (CSCS certification requires a bachelors degree as well as passing a rigorous (only 63% of first time candidates pass) 220 question exam. Guy who got a weekend certification at a crossfit or some other easy to get personal trainer certification? Guy who lifts weights a lot? except the JUCO practices are planned, organized and run by guys professional coaches, almost all who have bachelor degrees, many have masters degrees, all who have and who are further developing a professional coaching resume as a part of a school based athletic program held accountable by a professional athletic director. LCC's coaches are some guys who like to coach football. As I mentioned, a google search of the name and city of the HC comes up with linked in profile of a painting in pressure washing business in Lafayette and an unfortunate other search record. How exactly is LCC helping? You mentioned how many of the players are enrolled with the California school. Were you aware that the the California school is about 50% more expensive than SoLCC, and offers a much less diverse and applicable degree program? How exactly is a local adult travel football program run by a few guys who have a good heart and like coaching helping them to get degrees? Couldn't each and every one of those guys be pursuing degrees without being part of a club football team? I am not very familiar with any other program. I only learned about LCC from this thread, and have only looked into it to give feedback here. BUT from looking at CMP's website it looks like what they do is have players take 6 credits in summer and 9 in fall so that their clocks don't start--and then amp up to 15 credit hours the remaining terms to get an AA on time. Even though you said LCC requires full time students, I am betting that was just a miscommunication and they do the exact same thing. In looking at CMP's website, I see no mention of any schools, so I would say that is a red flag and LCC seems a bit more transparent. But I have to ask, exactly what do you consider "great things" I don't see anything I would consider great, because as mentioned, it seems that LCC is funneling kids to a school with a more limited academic program at almost 50% more cost.
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Post by Lewis on Jun 23, 2021 15:51:05 GMT -6
The only “benefits” I would agree that they are missing is taking a course in the classroom and that’s only the online students. They have a contract with a workout facility and use it everyday, And the workouts are designed by who? Supervised by who? A CSCS certified coach? (CSCS certification requires a bachelors degree as well as passing a rigorous (only 63% of first time candidates pass) 220 question exam. Guy who got a weekend certification at a crossfit or some other easy to get personal trainer certification? Guy who lifts weights a lot? except the JUCO practices are planned, organized and run by guys professional coaches, almost all who have bachelor degrees, many have masters degrees, all who have and who are further developing a professional coaching resume as a part of a school based athletic program held accountable by a professional athletic director. LCC's coaches are some guys who like to coach football. As I mentioned, a google search of the name and city of the HC comes up with linked in profile of a painting in pressure washing business in Lafayette and an unfortunate other search record. How exactly is LCC helping? You mentioned how many of the players are enrolled with the California school. Were you aware that the the California school is about 50% more expensive than SoLCC, and offers a much less diverse and applicable degree program? How exactly is a local adult travel football program run by a few guys who have a good heart and like coaching helping them to get degrees? Couldn't each and every one of those guys be pursuing degrees without being part of a club football team? I am not very familiar with any other program. I only learned about LCC from this thread, and have only looked into it to give feedback here. BUT from looking at CMP's website it looks like what they do is have players take 6 credits in summer and 9 in fall so that their clocks don't start--and then amp up to 15 credit hours the remaining terms to get an AA on time. Even though you said LCC requires full time students, I am betting that was just a miscommunication and they do the exact same thing. In looking at CMP's website, I see no mention of any schools, so I would say that is a red flag and LCC seems a bit more transparent. But I have to ask, exactly what do you consider "great things" I don't see anything I would consider great, because as mentioned, it seems that LCC is funneling kids to a school with a more limited academic program at almost 50% more cost. CMP also have kids going full time so some of their kids clocks are starting. I think I said this before but maybe I didn’t, LCC gives everyone the option to attend the school in California or SLCC. As far as all coaches at JUCO with degrees is not true. As a guy who have applied for college coaching positions and seen the requirements, I also have friends who coach at JUCOs, and my other nephew played at a JUCO, I know first hand all the coaches don’t have a bachelor degrees. With that being said I don’t know about all the LCC coaches but I do know the founder has one and the two coaches that were in direct contact with me have one because we constantly talked. Also two of the coaches played college ball, not saying they graduated but know they were in college at one time. Great things to me is helping keep people off the streets, helping kids work towards receiving an AA degree to hopefully have a better life and get a career, that’s great things to me.
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Post by Lewis on Jun 23, 2021 15:57:46 GMT -6
But look we been discussing this for probably a week and when I look at the original messages it goes back to February if I’m not mistaken. You guys will feel your way about them no matter what and with me experiencing it first hand and see what they’re doing is going to have me feeling my way about them. We won’t change and I’m pretty sure we all have better things to do. Y’all be cool and maybe I’ll comment with you guys on another post.
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Post by retired on Jun 24, 2021 10:07:39 GMT -6
And the workouts are designed by who? Supervised by who? A CSCS certified coach? (CSCS certification requires a bachelors degree as well as passing a rigorous (only 63% of first time candidates pass) 220 question exam. Guy who got a weekend certification at a crossfit or some other easy to get personal trainer certification? Guy who lifts weights a lot? except the JUCO practices are planned, organized and run by guys professional coaches, almost all who have bachelor degrees, many have masters degrees, all who have and who are further developing a professional coaching resume as a part of a school based athletic program held accountable by a professional athletic director. LCC's coaches are some guys who like to coach football. As I mentioned, a google search of the name and city of the HC comes up with linked in profile of a painting in pressure washing business in Lafayette and an unfortunate other search record. How exactly is LCC helping? You mentioned how many of the players are enrolled with the California school. Were you aware that the the California school is about 50% more expensive than SoLCC, and offers a much less diverse and applicable degree program? How exactly is a local adult travel football program run by a few guys who have a good heart and like coaching helping them to get degrees? Couldn't each and every one of those guys be pursuing degrees without being part of a club football team? I am not very familiar with any other program. I only learned about LCC from this thread, and have only looked into it to give feedback here. BUT from looking at CMP's website it looks like what they do is have players take 6 credits in summer and 9 in fall so that their clocks don't start--and then amp up to 15 credit hours the remaining terms to get an AA on time. Even though you said LCC requires full time students, I am betting that was just a miscommunication and they do the exact same thing. In looking at CMP's website, I see no mention of any schools, so I would say that is a red flag and LCC seems a bit more transparent. But I have to ask, exactly what do you consider "great things" I don't see anything I would consider great, because as mentioned, it seems that LCC is funneling kids to a school with a more limited academic program at almost 50% more cost. CMP also have kids going full time so some of their kids clocks are starting. I think I said this before but maybe I didn’t, LCC gives everyone the option to attend the school in California or SLCC. As far as all coaches at JUCO with degrees is not true. As a guy who have applied for college coaching positions and seen the requirements, I also have friends who coach at JUCOs, and my other nephew played at a JUCO, I know first hand all the coaches don’t have a bachelor degrees. With that being said I don’t know about all the LCC coaches but I do know the founder has one and the two coaches that were in direct contact with me have one because we constantly talked. Also two of the coaches played college ball, not saying they graduated but know they were in college at one time. Great things to me is helping keep people off the streets, helping kids work towards receiving an AA degree to hopefully have a better life and get a career, that’s great things to me. Any "professional coach" or anyone with aspirations of making a career in coaching will have a college degree. Almost all of the coaches from Blynn, Holmes, Hinds, PRCC, MGCCC, Southwest Mississippi CC list degrees in their bios, including all of the senior level coaches. Many have advanced degrees. Plus, those guys are spending the day working on football. It is their career path. They aren't doing it on the side. To try and compare the two situations is silly. The LCC guys are likely doing it as a hobby, probably unpaid (how would they get paid other than $$$ from the players) Make sure you understand I am not trying to compare LCC with CMP and say one is better, one is not etc. I am sure that can be done, but I have no interest in comparing LCC with CMP or other teams like this. They are just football teams formed by some guys. Adult travel teams. That is it. You have spent most of this discussion trying to convey that LCC is not a JUCO and does not claim to be a JUCO. You seem to be correct on both. I have pointed out the differences several times. My bigger issue is that I don't think these programs are in the best interest of many. That doesn't mean that the men involved are doing anything nefarious or that it is a scam anymore than Starbucks is a scam. But I would argue that it is not in the best interest of many to spend $5-$7 on a cup of coffee. I have also pointed out that from the perspective of the player, there is no difference after the first playing season. You have typed many times here "PEOPLE IF YOU WOULD READ WHAT I WROTE". Well, as I have written several times, the CCC tuition is almost 50% higher than local school tuitions (both 2 and 4 year schools), and they offer a limited range of academic programs. I don't think I would say that steering most to enroll there would be "great things". I also don't think perpetuating the perverted "blessed to receive" [offers that are not offers] landscape that has boomed during the social media times. Helping facilitate heavy student debt burdens by furthering this culture would not be considered "great things" in my eyes. My purpose in this thread has simply been to present a counter point so that parents such as the one who posted earlier in the thread have a much broader perspective from which to make a decision. For example, at the beginning of this thread unbiasedobserver thought this was good because it provided an opportunity for high school graduates to continue playing football. Now he sees the much broader picture and how it may not be a good thing.
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Post by CLEAN on Jul 3, 2021 10:09:24 GMT -6
Just read that Delphina Prep already dissolved
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Post by retired on Jul 3, 2021 12:03:08 GMT -6
Just read that Delphina Prep already dissolved Travel ball teams come and go all the time, just like beer league softball teams.
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Post by spyda3 on Jul 14, 2021 19:07:44 GMT -6
LCC is getting bash so much because some are calling them a "Juco". I see some guy's are dragging the program calling them a travel adult football team. What LCC is doing is great providing a second opportunity something positive by helping kids get into a 4 year college/university. If a kid wants to play for them and attend a online school I'm all for it. I did some research myself & LCC is no different than what they are doing in Arizona. If you don't know Arizona has cut all Juco Football programs due to Financial reasons. Some of the Coaches were upset by the cuts so they decided to create Hohokam Junior College Athletic Conference (HJCA) which is not apart of the NJCAA www.hjcac.com/ & is similar to what the NIAA is doing. HJCA has 5 football programs. Matter of fact HJCA just announced a partnership with Snow College which will provide academics to there programs online degree. Sounds familiar? Here's a link www.einpresswire.com/article/546153867/snow-college-and-athletic-advancement-assoc-of-america-announce-partnership-providing-education-to-az-student-athletesLooks to me that LCC & NIAA are doing the same thing like what they are doing in Arizona. The same negative energy & bashing y'all doing LCC & NIAA please do the same to the HJCA & teams because they partner with a Online College & call themselves & conference a Juco. Here's another Fun Fact: Southern Shreveport Jaguars are actually a Prep/Club team they used to be called Texas A&T they were the only Prep school to play against Texas Juco's and build that relationship with the schools. After they moved they partner up with Southern University at Shreveport. People call them a Juco & they are not apart of the NJCAA. If they are a "Juco" then why do they not appear on the NJCAA website. Here's the link www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/teams-page Not only that Southern Shreveport is not recognized as a team or club for Southern University of Shreveport as you can see on the school website. Southern University of Shreveport are just providing academics for Southern Shreveport. Another thing is why would Southern University of Shreveport have 2 athletic directors?https://www.susla.edu/page/athletics Here is the link for Southern Shreveport Jaguars www.ssjagsfootball.com/teams/?u=SOUTHERNSHREVEPORTJAGS&s=footballI have provided information that many didn't know about. Instead of Bashing & Dragging LCC. Let's support LCC & according to the NJCAA LCC is considered an Independent Juco because they have partner up with a College but LCC is not under the NJCAA government body. Oh they do have a Office building in Lafayette they are getting a new website & that's why you don't see it.
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Post by retired on Jul 14, 2021 20:03:43 GMT -6
LCC is getting bash so much because some are calling them a "Juco". I see some guy's are dragging the program calling them a travel adult football team. What LCC is doing is great providing a second opportunity something positive by helping kids get into a 4 year college/university. If a kid wants to play for them and attend a online school I'm all for it. I did some research myself & LCC is no different than what they are doing in Arizona. If you don't know Arizona has cut all Juco Football programs due to Financial reasons. Some of the Coaches were upset by the cuts so they decided to create Hohokam Junior College Athletic Conference (HJCA) which is not apart of the NJCAA www.hjcac.com/ & is similar to what the NIAA is doing. HJCA has 5 football programs. Matter of fact HJCA just announced a partnership with Snow College which will provide academics to there programs online degree. Sounds familiar? Here's a link www.einpresswire.com/article/546153867/snow-college-and-athletic-advancement-assoc-of-america-announce-partnership-providing-education-to-az-student-athletesLooks to me that LCC & NIAA are doing the same thing like what they are doing in Arizona. The same negative energy & bashing y'all doing LCC & NIAA please do the same to the HJCA & teams because they partner with a Online College & call themselves & conference a Juco. Here's another Fun Fact: Southern Shreveport Jaguars are actually a Prep/Club team they used to be called Texas A&T they were the only Prep school to play against Texas Juco's and build that relationship with the schools. After they moved they partner up with Southern University at Shreveport. People call them a Juco & they are not apart of the NJCAA. If they are a "Juco" then why do they not appear on the NJCAA website. Here's the link www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/teams-page Not only that Southern Shreveport is not recognized as a team or club for Southern University of Shreveport as you can see on the school website. Southern University of Shreveport are just providing academics for Southern Shreveport. Another thing is why would Southern University of Shreveport have 2 athletic directors?https://www.susla.edu/page/athletics Here is the link for Southern Shreveport Jaguars www.ssjagsfootball.com/teams/?u=SOUTHERNSHREVEPORTJAGS&s=footballI have provided information that many didn't know about. Instead of Bashing & Dragging LCC. Let's support LCC & according to the NJCAA LCC is considered an Independent Juco because they have partner up with a College but LCC is not under the NJCAA government body. Oh they do have a Office building in Lafayette they are getting a new website & that's why you don't see it. How is calling the program what it is (An adult travel football program) "dragging it" (whatever the hell that means). Because that all it is. Its a group of guys in their late teens/early 20s that are playing football that happen to take online classes with the same online school (which happens to be significantly more expensive than other JCs or even 4 year schools here in Louisiana). If they are doing similar things in Arizona, I would probably have the same opinion on it. If you read through this thread, you will see why I don't think it is inherently "great" that some if not most of these individuals are attempting to be student athletes at many of the 4 year schools in question. Also, not sure how LCC is helping them get into these schools at all.
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Post by spyda3 on Jul 15, 2021 6:51:59 GMT -6
LCC is getting bash so much because some are calling them a "Juco". I see some guy's are dragging the program calling them a travel adult football team. What LCC is doing is great providing a second opportunity something positive by helping kids get into a 4 year college/university. If a kid wants to play for them and attend a online school I'm all for it. I did some research myself & LCC is no different than what they are doing in Arizona. If you don't know Arizona has cut all Juco Football programs due to Financial reasons. Some of the Coaches were upset by the cuts so they decided to create Hohokam Junior College Athletic Conference (HJCA) which is not apart of the NJCAA www.hjcac.com/ & is similar to what the NIAA is doing. HJCA has 5 football programs. Matter of fact HJCA just announced a partnership with Snow College which will provide academics to there programs online degree. Sounds familiar? Here's a link www.einpresswire.com/article/546153867/snow-college-and-athletic-advancement-assoc-of-america-announce-partnership-providing-education-to-az-student-athletesLooks to me that LCC & NIAA are doing the same thing like what they are doing in Arizona. The same negative energy & bashing y'all doing LCC & NIAA please do the same to the HJCA & teams because they partner with a Online College & call themselves & conference a Juco. Here's another Fun Fact: Southern Shreveport Jaguars are actually a Prep/Club team they used to be called Texas A&T they were the only Prep school to play against Texas Juco's and build that relationship with the schools. After they moved they partner up with Southern University at Shreveport. People call them a Juco & they are not apart of the NJCAA. If they are a "Juco" then why do they not appear on the NJCAA website. Here's the link www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/teams-page Not only that Southern Shreveport is not recognized as a team or club for Southern University of Shreveport as you can see on the school website. Southern University of Shreveport are just providing academics for Southern Shreveport. Another thing is why would Southern University of Shreveport have 2 athletic directors?https://www.susla.edu/page/athletics Here is the link for Southern Shreveport Jaguars www.ssjagsfootball.com/teams/?u=SOUTHERNSHREVEPORTJAGS&s=footballI have provided information that many didn't know about. Instead of Bashing & Dragging LCC. Let's support LCC & according to the NJCAA LCC is considered an Independent Juco because they have partner up with a College but LCC is not under the NJCAA government body. Oh they do have a Office building in Lafayette they are getting a new website & that's why you don't see it. How is calling the program what it is (An adult travel football program) "dragging it" (whatever the hell that means). Because that all it is. Its a group of guys in their late teens/early 20s that are playing football that happen to take online classes with the same online school (which happens to be significantly more expensive than other JCs or even 4 year schools here in Louisiana). If they are doing similar things in Arizona, I would probably have the same opinion on it. If you read through this thread, you will see why I don't think it is inherently "great" that some if not most of these individuals are attempting to be student athletes at many of the 4 year schools in question. Also, not sure how LCC is helping them get into these schools at all. Man you one of the Biggest Haters out Here. You Probably Mad You Didn't Come Up With The Idea. I hope you know that Traveling Adult(Semi-Pro) teams don't play College's 🤔. Why would colleges like Trinity Valley & other's schedule them. Oh that's because they are not a Semi Pro Team. Oh LCC isn't helping kids but I see LCC has a hudl to help kids get into www.hudl.com/v/2FXKqT 4 year colleges. Oh that's right LCC is not getting kids into your PWI schools like Alabama, LSU or USC but some of there players are getting into a Louisiana College, Millsap or Oklahoma Panhandle. So they are a "Traveling Adult Team" 😂😂😂 that's what Traveling Teams Do.😂😂😂
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Post by retired on Jul 15, 2021 8:29:41 GMT -6
How is calling the program what it is (An adult travel football program) "dragging it" (whatever the hell that means). Because that all it is. Its a group of guys in their late teens/early 20s that are playing football that happen to take online classes with the same online school (which happens to be significantly more expensive than other JCs or even 4 year schools here in Louisiana). If they are doing similar things in Arizona, I would probably have the same opinion on it. If you read through this thread, you will see why I don't think it is inherently "great" that some if not most of these individuals are attempting to be student athletes at many of the 4 year schools in question. Also, not sure how LCC is helping them get into these schools at all. Man you one of the Biggest Haters out Here. You Probably Mad You Didn't Come Up With The Idea. I hope you know that Traveling Adult(Semi-Pro) teams don't play College's 🤔. Why would colleges like Trinity Valley & other's schedule them. Oh that's because they are not a Semi Pro Team. Oh LCC isn't helping kids but I see LCC has a hudl to help kids get into www.hudl.com/v/2FXKqT 4 year colleges. Oh that's right LCC is not getting kids into your PWI schools like Alabama, LSU or USC but some of there players are getting into a Louisiana College, Millsap or Oklahoma Panhandle. So they are a "Traveling Adult Team" 😂😂😂 that's what Traveling Teams Do.😂😂😂 Any individual playing for LCC could have just as easily enrolled in those schools without LCC. As I have stated many times, the schools featured by students "blessed to receive" ( ) have coaches who are tasked with bringing in as many bodies as possible. In fact the amount of incoming students to be "football players" is sometimes part of the coach's compensation. Look at Louisiana College who prior to leaving the NCAA had its 50+ a year "signees" sign nothing. Or Millsaps, who had over 50 "sign" nothing this year (including multiple kickers and quarterbacks...) The recruiting culture has become so perverted, and when combined with the zeitgeist enabled by social media- ("Look at me" "Look at me" ) this is the result. You get kids (like the one on the LCC twitter feed) "blessed to receive" offers from a football program that isn't even officially a school based interscholastic team (UNC Greensboro--a club football team). As was shown early in the thread by unbiasedobserver among others, people who don't know better see reports of this type of recruiting and "offers" , and equate them to offers from LSU, or Tulane or Nicholls or Northwestern State etc. It takes a little digging to see that is not the case, ESPECIALLY when you then start to discuss the ensuing costs of attending those schools. If the "offers" have any monetary value at all, they are simply a small discount on a high ticket expense. It seems that after learning these things, those people, now knowing better, recognize the situation for what it is and have a different opinion. I and others have pointed out in this thread it probably is not in the best interest of those students or their families to attend such schools. Having a kid from say Crowley attend: Arizona Christian $41k a year, or Mid America Nazarene $30k a year, or Tabor College $43K a year or, Oklahoma panhandle state $15,000 a year, or Avila University $29k a year, or Lawrence Tech University $47k or Point University $30k plus fees etc... just to be a part of the football program is probably not a smart decision. If you tell me that these kids were interested in such schools as HS students but it took being a part of the LCC program to make it happen, I am going to call you a liar. And any financial aid they may receive is the same as these kids and families being told they would be given a $5,000-$10,000 discount off of a new 2021 Mercedes S Class sedan. Still doesn't make it a wise decision for most given the Louisiana Median Income sits under $50,000 annually. That isn't hating. That is pointing out facts. Based on those facts, I agree with what brightlights stated it up early on in the thread- eventually one has to realize it is time to hang up the cleats. LCC exists because people don't want to admit that and want to be part of the perverted recruiting process in our "look at me" world. They aren't a scam. But pointing out what they actually are (a group of recent high school graduates forming a club to play football and having to take online classes at one of two potential schools being a requirement to be in the club) is is not hating. Pointing out that the path offered to members of that football club is probably not in the best interest of those kids and their families is not hating.
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Post by Lewis on Jul 15, 2021 22:55:00 GMT -6
Man you one of the Biggest Haters out Here. You Probably Mad You Didn't Come Up With The Idea. I hope you know that Traveling Adult(Semi-Pro) teams don't play College's 🤔. Why would colleges like Trinity Valley & other's schedule them. Oh that's because they are not a Semi Pro Team. Oh LCC isn't helping kids but I see LCC has a hudl to help kids get into www.hudl.com/v/2FXKqT 4 year colleges. Oh that's right LCC is not getting kids into your PWI schools like Alabama, LSU or USC but some of there players are getting into a Louisiana College, Millsap or Oklahoma Panhandle. So they are a "Traveling Adult Team" 😂😂😂 that's what Traveling Teams Do.😂😂😂 Any individual playing for LCC could have just as easily enrolled in those schools without LCC. As I have stated many times, the schools featured by students "blessed to receive" ( ) have coaches who are tasked with bringing in as many bodies as possible. In fact the amount of incoming students to be "football players" is sometimes part of the coach's compensation. Look at Louisiana College who prior to leaving the NCAA had its 50+ a year "signees" sign nothing. Or Millsaps, who had over 50 "sign" nothing this year (including multiple kickers and quarterbacks...) The recruiting culture has become so perverted, and when combined with the zeitgeist enabled by social media- ("Look at me" "Look at me" ) this is the result. You get kids (like the one on the LCC twitter feed) "blessed to receive" offers from a football program that isn't even officially a school based interscholastic team (UNC Greensboro--a club football team). As was shown early in the thread by unbiasedobserver among others, people who don't know better see reports of this type of recruiting and "offers" , and equate them to offers from LSU, or Tulane or Nicholls or Northwestern State etc. It takes a little digging to see that is not the case, ESPECIALLY when you then start to discuss the ensuing costs of attending those schools. If the "offers" have any monetary value at all, they are simply a small discount on a high ticket expense. It seems that after learning these things, those people, now knowing better, recognize the situation for what it is and have a different opinion. I and others have pointed out in this thread it probably is not in the best interest of those students or their families to attend such schools. Having a kid from say Crowley attend: Arizona Christian $41k a year, or Mid America Nazarene $30k a year, or Tabor College $43K a year or, Oklahoma panhandle state $15,000 a year, or Avila University $29k a year, or Lawrence Tech University $47k or Point University $30k plus fees etc... just to be a part of the football program is probably not a smart decision. If you tell me that these kids were interested in such schools as HS students but it took being a part of the LCC program to make it happen, I am going to call you a liar. And any financial aid they may receive is the same as these kids and families being told they would be given a $5,000-$10,000 discount off of a new 2021 Mercedes S Class sedan. Still doesn't make it a wise decision for most given the Louisiana Median Income sits under $50,000 annually. That isn't hating. That is pointing out facts. Based on those facts, I agree with what brightlights stated it up early on in the thread- eventually one has to realize it is time to hang up the cleats. LCC exists because people don't want to admit that and want to be part of the perverted recruiting process in our "look at me" world. They aren't a scam. But pointing out what they actually are (a group of recent high school graduates forming a club to play football and having to take online classes at one of two potential schools being a requirement to be in the club) is is not hating. Pointing out that the path offered to members of that football club is probably not in the best interest of those kids and their families is not hating. You said you don’t even know if LCC is helping the kids get into these schools or helping them get the offers. Once again as a person who was around them this year, most of these kids don’t have any offers before attending LCC so yes they are getting the offers for them. If I didn’t state this before the founder of the program is an educator and former high school football coach so he has contacts at the collegiate level. You brought up Oklahoma Panhandle State and I’m glad you did because I never knew the tuition for the year but you said it’s $15,000 well the kid who got the offer from them is receiving $12,000 so that’s not bad at all. My brother in law attended LSU and his scholarship had him come out of pocket for $2,000 for the year. Now I already know you probably going to compare LSU to OPSU and that’s not the point I’m making. The point I’m making is they’re helping kids get real scholarships and getting it to where they don’t have to come out of pocket or where they not coming out of pocket with a great amount. I keep telling you guys you need to talk to the founder or just be at one of their events because at the report date meeting last year he told the kids and their families that he don’t want kids to come to the program, get an offer from a college, and just take it because it’s an offer. He told them if they get an offer and it’s only taking care of 35% of your tuition he said to stay and get something better. Now I’m not calling you or anyone else a hater but I would hope that people would get all the information before coming out and commenting on situations. That’s not just for sports that’s for everything.
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Post by boninesdrippins on Jul 16, 2021 3:40:28 GMT -6
It’s a prep school, it’s in no way a college. Also, all Div 1 schools only, by rule, can give 100% scholarships. Anything below D1 has varying degrees of awards depending on level and institution. ANYTIME you hand a school money to attend, that’s not really a scholarship. A reduction in tuition, maybe, but let’s be real, this is rec ball at best to “play” at a community online school
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Post by retired on Jul 16, 2021 4:13:40 GMT -6
It’s a prep school, it’s in no way a college. Also, all Div 1 schools only, by rule, can give 100% scholarships. Anything below D1 has varying degrees of awards depending on level and institution. ANYTIME you hand a school money to attend, that’s not really a scholarship. A reduction in tuition, maybe, but let’s be real, this is rec ball at best to “play” at a community online school Your information regarding NCAA athletic scholarships policy is inaccurate. I think what you are trying to say is that football is a head count sport in the FBS, meaning that regardless of the amount of the scholarship given, each student-athlete counts fully against the 85 person limit. In FCS (which is very much Division 1) football is an equivalency sport, meaning that schools are limited to 63 equivalencies. To put that into numbers, if giving every football player a 100% scholarship, LSU is limited to 85 student athletes at one time, and Mcneese 63. In theory though, LSU and Mcneese could both award every football player a 50% scholarship - the difference is that LSU would still only be able to award 85 student-athletes where as the Cowboys could award 126 players. Head Counter vs Equivalency. There is no rule requiring scholarships to be "100%", there is just no strategic benefit for FBS schools to award less than 100%. Any decision to do so would be due to financial issues (ie. the school could not fully fund 85 scholarships). And, as I said, FCS is very much in D1. As for your definition of reduction in tuition, while that is your personal definition, it is not the actual definition. I do agree with the sentiments conveyed in your last sentence though.
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Post by boninesdrippins on Jul 16, 2021 9:44:07 GMT -6
While you are technically accurate, you are practically not so. Also, none of this has anything to do with the understanding that this is nothing more than a rec league, club type program. It is simply a way for kids to act as if they are “signing” so that they “can be blessed”
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Post by retired on Jul 16, 2021 10:11:39 GMT -6
While you are technically accurate, you are practically not so. Also, none of this has anything to do with the understanding that this is nothing more than a rec league, club type program. It is simply a way for kids to act as if they are “signing” so that they “can be blessed” I have been expressing my dismay at the realities of your last sentence the entirety of the thread. We don't disagree much on that aspect, since we both seem to believe that it is probably better for the student and the families to hang up the cleats and move on. I was simply clarifying that your statements were wrong on two fronts. 1) Division 1 includes FCS which as an equivalency sport does indeed give "partials" and that there is NO rule (because you said "by rule") stating that Div 1 (including FBS programs) must offer 100% of cost of attendance in aid. There is no reason to hold discussions involving false information. There is no such thing as being "practically not accurate" The posters on this thread that support LCC have made it abundantly clear that LCC is not a school, and that they don't try to portray themselves as one despite other's tweets. I have come to the mindset that this is 100% correct, AND it is actually a worse situation for many of the participants.
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Post by Lewis on Jul 16, 2021 11:13:58 GMT -6
While you are technically accurate, you are practically not so. Also, none of this has anything to do with the understanding that this is nothing more than a rec league, club type program. It is simply a way for kids to act as if they are “signing” so that they “can be blessed” I have a question for you and retired. So LCC last year was a first year program and got a bunch of kids scholarship offers at the D2, D3, and NAIA levels. Did this only in their first year but y’all knock them. The question is, if they start getting kids D1 offers will your views of them change or will this still be a rec team or league? By the way their schedule before Covid had Kilgore, Navarro, ASA Miami, Trinity Valley, Mary Hardin Baylor JV, Arkansas Baptist, and North American University. Rec teams won’t play a JUCO schedule. They still ply against Trinity Valley and Northt American last year and beat North American.
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Post by boninesdrippins on Jul 16, 2021 12:15:56 GMT -6
D3 does not offer athletic scholarships. D2 and NAIA does, typically partials. Point stands, it’s not college football but the signees portray it as such. That’s the gripe. Diminishes the academic and athletic accomplishments of actual college signees.
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Post by retired on Jul 16, 2021 14:44:13 GMT -6
While you are technically accurate, you are practically not so. Also, none of this has anything to do with the understanding that this is nothing more than a rec league, club type program. It is simply a way for kids to act as if they are “signing” so that they “can be blessed” I have a question for you and retired. So LCC last year was a first year program and got a bunch of kids scholarship offers at the D2, D3, and NAIA levels. Did this only in their first year but y’all knock them. The question is, if they start getting kids D1 offers will your views of them change or will this still be a rec team or league? By the way their schedule before Covid had Kilgore, Navarro, ASA Miami, Trinity Valley, Mary Hardin Baylor JV, Arkansas Baptist, and North American University. Rec teams won’t play a JUCO schedule. They still ply against Trinity Valley and Northt American last year and beat North American. It is apparent that boninesdrippins and I have different viewpoints on this. He seems to be most distressed by HS graduates tweeting that they "signed" with LCC. I agree that is fairly ridiculous, but my bigger issue is with the promoting the idea of kids to take (online) community college courses (especially the fairly expensive one they seemed to "partnered with" based in California for the reasons I have mentioned in this thread) in the hopes of : -1) after one semester/ season being "blessed to receive" a small amount of financial aid at very likely a fairly expensive out of state school that was never on the student's radar to begin with. Just to play football (but realistically just to tweet "blessed to receive" as the majority of these kids that even end up enrolling leave after a semester. 2) While keeping in mind that the school making the "offer" likely compensates its football coach for the amount of students the program brings in, leading to signing classes of 50+ kids. This thread started because nobody really knew what LCC (or any other virtual prep football program was). After the 5 pages here, I think that is no longer the case.
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Post by Lewis on Jul 16, 2021 22:31:13 GMT -6
D3 does not offer athletic scholarships. D2 and NAIA does, typically partials. Point stands, it’s not college football but the signees portray it as such. That’s the gripe. Diminishes the academic and athletic accomplishments of actual college signees. Yes D3 offers academic scholarships only but once again the question still stands because you guys didn’t answer it. So I’m waiting for the answer to that question.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Jul 16, 2021 23:06:18 GMT -6
D3 does not offer athletic scholarships. D2 and NAIA does, typically partials. Point stands, it’s not college football but the signees portray it as such. That’s the gripe. Diminishes the academic and athletic accomplishments of actual college signees. Yes D3 offers academic scholarships only but once again the question still stands because you guys didn’t answer it. So I’m waiting for the answer to that question. I’m not one that you asked, but a counter question would be…what were these kids offered at these schools? Academic scholarships at a D3 school has nothing to do with football. And if they were offered a partial “scholarship” at a a D2 or NAIA, they are likely still paying a whole lot more to attend those schools and be on the football team than they would getting TOPS and attending a state school and being a regular student. I think thats the point thats being made here. I think it’s great for kids that want to keep playing ball after they graduate have a place to do so, but thinking that playing at a place like this is anything more than that seems a bit far fetched to me. So saying that its basically a club team seems to be fairly accurate. Not much different than playing men’s soccer at UL-Lafayette. That said, I know nothing more about LCC than Ive read on this thread.
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Post by retired on Jul 16, 2021 23:34:51 GMT -6
D3 does not offer athletic scholarships. D2 and NAIA does, typically partials. Point stands, it’s not college football but the signees portray it as such. That’s the gripe. Diminishes the academic and athletic accomplishments of actual college signees. Yes D3 offers academic scholarships only but once again the question still stands because you guys didn’t answer it. So I’m waiting for the answer to that question. What question? That if instead of delaying the start of the next chapter of their lives, (be it a legitimate college experience entering the work force) so that they could take online courses from an overpriced Christian community college based in California with limited programs of study in the hopes of tweeting that they were "blessed to receive" an offer to go into potentially significant debt to be a part of an out of state football program that brings in 50+ freshmen a year LCC Players instead started to receive actual athletic scholarships to schools the players have an interest in attending would I judge it differently? If that started to routinely happen like at a Hargrave Military Academy, or with actual JUCOs...I would still say they were by definition just an adult travel team. Because that is what they are. However, I might also say it may now be in a players interest to try the LCC path, or at least it isn't automatically assumed to not be in their best interest. Let me ask you something though...why on Earth do you think that is going to happen? Why do think there will be a pool of kids that FBS and FCS will not offer as HS seniors but will after a fall of playing for LCC? From what I have investigated, right now what LCC is trying to capitalize on is a delayed eligibility clock. If the kids only take part time classes that first semester, their eligibility clocks don't start and so if a 4 year school offers them after that one semester they have the full 5 to play 4. After that..its just like attending a JUCO.
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Post by boninesdrippins on Jul 17, 2021 3:25:36 GMT -6
Simpler than that. What LCC is attempting to capitalize on is out of state tuition fees that are no where near fully covered by the “athletic scholarships” given, as a previous poster said. Coached make $$$ per head, it’s a simple, fuller brush type scam. Over sell, over price, deliver minimal. Quick question, does LCC provide equipment, insurance, transportation? Also, if they “never claimed to be college football”, what’s the last C in LCC stand for?
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Post by CLEAN on Jul 17, 2021 5:41:04 GMT -6
Retired got himself a topic that he’s attached to like a pitbull with a big juicy bone
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Post by Lewis on Jul 17, 2021 8:22:41 GMT -6
Simpler than that. What LCC is attempting to capitalize on is out of state tuition fees that are no where near fully covered by the “athletic scholarships” given, as a previous poster said. Coached make $$$ per head, it’s a simple, fuller brush type scam. Over sell, over price, deliver minimal. Quick question, does LCC provide equipment, insurance, transportation? Also, if they “never claimed to be college football”, what’s the last C in LCC stand for? Yes they provide equipment, transportation, and insurance. And you guys started this thread but added another C to it. LCC is Louisiana Community Christian. You guys turned it into LCCC Louisiana Community Christian College. But once again I see you guys are doing what people do when politics are discussed and someone asks a question, don’t answer it. Anytime you guys ask me a question I directly answer your questions. If you want to write a paragraph then do so but at least start with a yes or no to the question.
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Post by Lewis on Jul 17, 2021 8:27:00 GMT -6
Yes D3 offers academic scholarships only but once again the question still stands because you guys didn’t answer it. So I’m waiting for the answer to that question. What question? That if instead of delaying the start of the next chapter of their lives, (be it a legitimate college experience entering the work force) so that they could take online courses from an overpriced Christian community college based in California with limited programs of study in the hopes of tweeting that they were "blessed to receive" an offer to go into potentially significant debt to be a part of an out of state football program that brings in 50+ freshmen a year LCC Players instead started to receive actual athletic scholarships to schools the players have an interest in attending would I judge it differently? If that started to routinely happen like at a Hargrave Military Academy, or with actual JUCOs...I would still say they were by definition just an adult travel team. Because that is what they are. However, I might also say it may now be in a players interest to try the LCC path, or at least it isn't automatically assumed to not be in their best interest. Let me ask you something though...why on Earth do you think that is going to happen? Why do think there will be a pool of kids that FBS and FCS will not offer as HS seniors but will after a fall of playing for LCC? From what I have investigated, right now what LCC is trying to capitalize on is a delayed eligibility clock. If the kids only take part time classes that first semester, their eligibility clocks don't start and so if a 4 year school offers them after that one semester they have the full 5 to play 4. After that..its just like attending a JUCO. Retired you still didn’t answer the question. You’re trying to answer a question with a question but like I always do I will answer your question even though mine don’t get answered. You asked do I believe a kid will get offered from a D1 school from LCC and the answer is yes. They already have a CB that is receiving interest from two D1 schools but his high school gpa was low so he has to receive his AA Degree first. Memphis was interested in one of the RB and McNeese is talking to the QB. So yes I do see a D1 eventually offering a player or players from the program. Now once again can I get an answer to my question? Yes or no?
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Post by Lewis on Jul 17, 2021 8:32:10 GMT -6
Yes D3 offers academic scholarships only but once again the question still stands because you guys didn’t answer it. So I’m waiting for the answer to that question. I’m not one that you asked, but a counter question would be…what were these kids offered at these schools? Academic scholarships at a D3 school has nothing to do with football. And if they were offered a partial “scholarship” at a a D2 or NAIA, they are likely still paying a whole lot more to attend those schools and be on the football team than they would getting TOPS and attending a state school and being a regular student. I think thats the point thats being made here. I think it’s great for kids that want to keep playing ball after they graduate have a place to do so, but thinking that playing at a place like this is anything more than that seems a bit far fetched to me. So saying that its basically a club team seems to be fairly accurate. Not much different than playing men’s soccer at UL-Lafayette. That said, I know nothing more about LCC than Ive read on this thread. And I answered this question earlier. I know what two kids were offered and that’s because one was my nephew and the other one was close with my nephew. My nephew scholarship is taking care of 85% of his tuition and the other kid was 80%. My wife ask me why I keep responding to you guys, she said there’s too much negativity in the world. I know you guys are going to say “I’m not being negative just stating facts.” I read someone say that earlier on this thread but it is being negative when all the proof I have given you and the other man/woman has given you guys. This thread is starting to show that
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