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Post by jhtiger on Feb 9, 2021 23:19:08 GMT -6
Is this an actual school? Where is the campus?
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Post by DQTigers1995 on Feb 10, 2021 0:09:35 GMT -6
Is this an actual school? Where is the campus? It’s a JUCO Prep school
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 10, 2021 6:56:42 GMT -6
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Post by jhtiger on Feb 10, 2021 8:36:21 GMT -6
But Is there anyway actual physical campus where students attend classes? Doesn’t seem to be!
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 10, 2021 8:40:24 GMT -6
I hope LCCA has some staying power. It would be nice for kids looking to keep playing to have a place to do it without having to leave the state.
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Post by jhtiger on Feb 10, 2021 8:45:06 GMT -6
But is it an actual thing? There seems to be no campus, no stadium, nothing. Is it a virtual JC based out of california that “offers” kids as long as they pay tuition? What the hell is it?
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Post by iknownuthing on Feb 10, 2021 9:31:51 GMT -6
But is it an actual thing? There seems to be no campus, no stadium, nothing. Is it a virtual JC based out of california that “offers” kids as long as they pay tuition? What the hell is it? The website says 916 Russo Road New Iberia. That is a vacant lot in a subdivision. So the answer is NO campus. But do they really need one?
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Post by jhtiger on Feb 10, 2021 10:24:48 GMT -6
I don’t know. Sounds like a scam to me. I see they are “signing” Kids from all over but looks like it’s just an online school that kids have to pay tuition to attend and practice and play who knows where? Symptom of the day I guess. Gives kids the opportunity to say they’ve “signed” somewhere.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 10, 2021 11:19:57 GMT -6
I don't even count these "prep" schools when doing my offers and commitments lists. A few have come and gone. Louisiana Community Christian, Southern Prep, Vandegrift Prep, CMP Prep. CMP seems to be the only one that has had some staying power.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 10, 2021 19:09:42 GMT -6
But is it an actual thing? There seems to be no campus, no stadium, nothing. Is it a virtual JC based out of california that “offers” kids as long as they pay tuition? What the hell is it? The website says 916 Russo Road New Iberia. That is a vacant lot in a subdivision. So the answer is NO campus. But do they really need one? That’s just down the road from my house
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Post by jhtiger on Feb 10, 2021 22:23:12 GMT -6
Yeah, nothing is there right? This thing stinks to high heaven. Taking advantage of kids and parents who don’t know any better. High school coaches should study this scam!
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Post by retired on Feb 11, 2021 6:28:43 GMT -6
Yeah, nothing is there right? This thing stinks to high heaven. Taking advantage of kids and parents who don’t know any better. High school coaches should study this scam! It’s not the high school coaches – in fact most of them probably already know what’s real and what’s not. Situations like this generally do not recruit through the high schools but rather direct with students and parents. When the high school coach tries to caution the proud parents that their little Johnny is not good enough and these people are only preying upon them, that’s when the drama starts Situations like this have arisen because of people who have turned recruiting into a season of its own. People creating (and consumers subscribing) to recruiting sites. A slice a sports media dedicated specifically to recruiting, Signing ceremonies on TV, the “hat dance”, people like some on this board whose posts show that deep down they feel the purpose of hs ball/ heck hs in general is to get “scholarships”. The constant discussion about “the next level”— all of these types of activities plus others have opened a market for such endeavors. Truth be told, it isnt just this place (but this does seem like a new cellar floor). I bet most people would be shocked by how many of those individuals that Fireman reports “signed” with D3 schools actually finish there. The standard practice is they pay their 30,000 or so for tuition, they go for a year and leave. All so they (and their parents) can believe they were “recruited to the ‘next level’ “
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Post by kingfish on Feb 11, 2021 8:48:51 GMT -6
Well put retired. Parents and social media have made recruiting a joke. Kids that go to this “institution” and “institutions” like it, want to see there name on screen much more than they should. Coaches have a greater responsibility than letting their kids fall for these lies.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 11, 2021 8:57:37 GMT -6
So do they play games or not? I see the point in what everyone is saying here, but if they actually play football, places like this can provide kids the opportunity to keep playing the game they love.
I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority of people here, who played ball in high school or college, and didn’t make a career out it, would have loved the chance to continue to play.
That said, I know absolutely nothing about this program, but it sounds like (from reading the posts here) that these types of programs are somehow taking advantage of kids (or their parents) financially. If thats the case, then obviously my opinion changes dramatically.
Edit: Since I posted this message, a friend of mine (local coach) just told me that these places are a joke and a money grab. He said that the above post from “retired” is spot on.
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Post by jayjohnson on Feb 12, 2021 11:29:55 GMT -6
I hope LCCA has some staying power. It would be nice for kids looking to keep playing to have a place to do it without having to leave the state. I know nothing about LCCA but Southern Shreveport looks like there foootball program is starting off well.
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Post by brightlights on Feb 13, 2021 12:33:48 GMT -6
At some point, you have to come to a realization that it is time to ha g the cleats up. Why play for some scam like lcca or some d3 school that you have to go in debt for? I don’t understand! Get an accredited degree, go to trade school, get a job, or join the military, but don’t waste time and go into debt for nothing.
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Post by abbebusoni on Feb 13, 2021 18:52:54 GMT -6
At some point, you have to come to a realization that it is time to ha g the cleats up. Why play for some scam like lcca or some d3 school that you have to go in debt for? I don’t understand! Get an accredited degree, go to trade school, get a job, or join the military, but don’t waste time and go into debt for nothing. Haha, yeah...D3 schools are a scam without accredited degrees. Stupid post of the week.
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Post by unbiasedobserver on Feb 13, 2021 19:03:33 GMT -6
At some point, you have to come to a realization that it is time to ha g the cleats up. Why play for some scam like lcca or some d3 school that you have to go in debt for? I don’t understand! Get an accredited degree, go to trade school, get a job, or join the military, but don’t waste time and go into debt for nothing. Haha, yeah...D3 schools are a scam without accredited degrees. Stupid post of the week. Yeah I don’t get the comparison at all. In fact, some D3 schools will provide a superior education than a Power 5 football factory.
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Post by retired on Feb 13, 2021 20:14:43 GMT -6
Haha, yeah...D3 schools are a scam without accredited degrees. Stupid post of the week. Yeah I don’t get the comparison at all. In fact, some D3 schools will provide a superior education than a Power 5 football factory. I think his point was that rather than attend a school such as Nicholls or ULL or LSU or UNO or Southern etc and pay $2,500-$4,000 a semester for tuition guys such as three of the players from Southern Louisiana who didn't even make first team all district in their respective districts will travel up to Pineville and pay more than double that for tuition PLUS room and board for the "privilege" of being one of 54 "signed" HS seniors declaring their intent to be a Wildcat. Or Pay nearly $40,000 a year in tuition alone to "sign" at a school like Millsaps. Those guys aren't signing full grant in aids like Sage Ryan. They are signing a sheet of paper saying they intend to attend the school, and the bulk of the financial aid they receive comes in the form of loans. Debt that is primarily due to them wanting to be "recruited" to play ball. In essence, they are paying $$$ to play low level college football. Fortunately, some of those never make it to campus in August but of those that do the VAST majority do not graduate from those schools. Sadly any debt accumulated sticks around like a social disease. I don't think brightlights ' s post was saying that D3 schools are poor educational institutions. His post was saying that kids who go there because they want to be "recruited" and to play football by and large are worse off for doing so. His post was simply suggesting that it would probably be better for those students and for their families if they recognized that it was time to stop trying to play football and move on.
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Post by fisherman1 on Feb 13, 2021 20:41:47 GMT -6
I dont get the point.There is nothing wrong with going to play at a Millsaps or a La. College if you really like football.The post was about make believe colleges that dont exist but are telling kids they can play college football.The Saints have had a few division 3 players on its roster over the years. .
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Post by abbebusoni on Feb 13, 2021 20:42:11 GMT -6
Yeah I don’t get the comparison at all. In fact, some D3 schools will provide a superior education than a Power 5 football factory. I think his point was that rather than attend a school such as Nicholls or ULL or LSU or UNO or Southern etc and pay $2,500-$4,000 a semester for tuition guys such as three of the players from Southern Louisiana who didn't even make first team all district in their respective districts will travel up to Pineville and pay more than double that for tuition PLUS room and board for the "privilege" of being one of 54 "signed" HS seniors declaring their intent to be a Wildcat. Or Pay nearly $40,000 a year in tuition alone to "sign" at a school like Millsaps. Those guys aren't signing full grant in aids like Sage Ryan. They are signing a sheet of paper saying they intend to attend the school, and the bulk of the financial aid they receive comes in the form of loans. Debt that is primarily due to them wanting to be "recruited" to play ball. In essence, they are paying $$$ to play low level college football. Fortunately, some of those never make it to campus in August but of those that do the VAST majority do not graduate from those schools. Sadly any debt accumulated sticks around like a social disease. I don't think brightlights ' s post was saying that D3 schools are poor educational institutions. His post was saying that kids who go there because they want to be "recruited" and to play football by and large are worse off for doing so. His post was simply suggesting that it would probably be better for those students and for their families if they recognized that it was time to stop trying to play football and move on. Took the words out of my mouth. I can't really comment on LC but I know Millsaps offers a vastly superior education to most the schools in LA. I'm near positive they offer financial incentives to football recruits that they would not be qualified for if they were regular students. So...in my opinion, we're not comparing apples to oranges. Is it more advantageous to go to say Nichols or Millsaps? I think it depends on the individual. I needed the structure and team to help me get through my education. I didn't play in front of 50k people. So again, on the personal side...it benefitted me. If you want to poo poo on someone signing with a D3, fine, but don't saddle the education opportunities with JUCO. I can tell you a fact, the D1 school that I got two masters degrees from wasn't nearly as difficult as my sopre year at that lowly D3 school for which I paid for room, board, and textbooks.
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Post by retired on Feb 13, 2021 21:49:39 GMT -6
I think his point was that rather than attend a school such as Nicholls or ULL or LSU or UNO or Southern etc and pay $2,500-$4,000 a semester for tuition guys such as three of the players from Southern Louisiana who didn't even make first team all district in their respective districts will travel up to Pineville and pay more than double that for tuition PLUS room and board for the "privilege" of being one of 54 "signed" HS seniors declaring their intent to be a Wildcat. Or Pay nearly $40,000 a year in tuition alone to "sign" at a school like Millsaps. Those guys aren't signing full grant in aids like Sage Ryan. They are signing a sheet of paper saying they intend to attend the school, and the bulk of the financial aid they receive comes in the form of loans. Debt that is primarily due to them wanting to be "recruited" to play ball. In essence, they are paying $$$ to play low level college football. Fortunately, some of those never make it to campus in August but of those that do the VAST majority do not graduate from those schools. Sadly any debt accumulated sticks around like a social disease. I don't think brightlights ' s post was saying that D3 schools are poor educational institutions. His post was saying that kids who go there because they want to be "recruited" and to play football by and large are worse off for doing so. His post was simply suggesting that it would probably be better for those students and for their families if they recognized that it was time to stop trying to play football and move on. Took the words out of my mouth. I can't really comment on LC but I know Millsaps offers a vastly superior education to most the schools in LA. I'm near positive they offer financial incentives to football recruits that they would not be qualified for if they were regular students. So...in my opinion, we're not comparing apples to oranges. Is it more advantageous to go to say Nichols or Millsaps? I think it depends on the individual. I needed the structure and team to help me get through my education. I didn't play in front of 50k people. So again, on the personal side...it benefitted me. If you want to poo poo on someone signing with a D3, fine, but don't saddle the education opportunities with JUCO. I can tell you a fact, the D1 school that I got two masters degrees from wasn't nearly as difficult as my sopre year at that lowly D3 school for which I paid for room, board, and textbooks. By rule Div 3 can NOT offer athletic grant in aids, but yes, I am sure schools can find "leadership scholarships" or other types of aid but those will still leave the students with a far bigger financial burden than if the student attended a state public school. As far as Millsaps being vastly superior, I would not subscribe to that generalization. What is FACT though is that Millsaps charges a vastly higher tuition and the majority of any aid those students are receiving is debt. Regardless, I think the point is valid that due to the "cool factor" of being recruited and being a college player (with the majority being only one for a year) kids and families are making poor choices.
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Post by retired on Feb 13, 2021 21:54:17 GMT -6
I dont get the point.There is nothing wrong with going to play at a Millsaps or a La. College if you really like football.The post was about make believe colleges that dont exist but are telling kids they can play college football.The Saints have had a few division 3 players on its roster over the years. . That isn't factually correct. This post wasn't just about schools that don't exist. The post was about exorbitant costs being paid and financial burdens being created so that 17-19 year olds can sit at a table in a cafeteria or library the first Wednesday in February and sign a meaningless piece of paper and say they are going to be a college football player. For those students that would choose to attend Millsaps for the same reason a non athlete would choose Millsaps or Louisiana College or ______.. AND also choose to play ball, GREAT. But for those students and families are enticed by the "allure" of being recruited and being a "college football player" at the expense of significant and potentially insurmountable debt that can act as a yoke which hinders the rest of the kids/families life it is a terrible thing. While using the term "scam" is not factually correct either, I believe the spirt of the post has merit. Essentially saying that the current world of recruiting being "a thing" has further opened the doors for schools to prey upon kids and families and put them in debt situations (crushing debt in some cases) just to play a season (usually) or a few seasons of football. Whether it be a brick and mortar school, or even what seems to be an online community college. The comparisons to this practice is not much different than predatory lending practices seen in the financial field
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Post by brightlights on Feb 14, 2021 7:39:06 GMT -6
Clarification: I am NOT putting down or discrediting the educational quality or experience of D3 college. In many many ways they are better educationally than state public colleges. What makes me scratch my head is that some senior in high school, who come from backgrounds that can’t afford it, “sign” and then after a year on campus are hit with 30-$40,000 bills. That is all I meant. If a player can afford it, get a “leadership” grant, etc. go for it! But don’t put yourself in major debt for something that will 99.99% end without a path to future success. That’s all I meant.
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Post by kingfish on Feb 14, 2021 9:12:14 GMT -6
Louisiana Community Christian College is a scam.
This is not about any other institution that offers education and athletics.
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Post by retired on Feb 14, 2021 9:25:34 GMT -6
Louisiana Community Christian College is a scam. This is not about any other institution that offers education and athletics. How is it a "Scam"? Serious question. From what I have gathered, it is an Online community college, that wants to also offer some athletics to students enrolled as part of their school. So essentially this is an online CC with a club football program and perhaps some overzealous marketing. As long as they are upfront about everything, I would not agree with the term "scam". Now, they absolutely could be predatory, looking to recruit and attract students who would be better off making different post HS choices.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 15, 2021 0:33:43 GMT -6
I dont get the point.There is nothing wrong with going to play at a Millsaps or a La. College if you really like football.The post was about make believe colleges that dont exist but are telling kids they can play college football.The Saints have had a few division 3 players on its roster over the years. . That isn't factually correct. This post wasn't just about schools that don't exist. The post was about exorbitant costs being paid and financial burdens being created so that 17-19 year olds can sit at a table in a cafeteria or library the first Wednesday in February and sign a meaningless piece of paper and say they are going to be a college football player. For those students that would choose to attend Millsaps for the same reason a non athlete would choose Millsaps or Louisiana College or ______.. AND also choose to play ball, GREAT. But for those students and families are enticed by the "allure" of being recruited and being a "college football player" at the expense of significant and potentially insurmountable debt that can act as a yoke which hinders the rest of the kids/families life it is a terrible thing. While using the term "scam" is not factually correct either, I believe the spirt of the post has merit. Essentially saying that the current world of recruiting being "a thing" has further opened the doors for schools to prey upon kids and families and put them in debt situations (crushing debt in some cases) just to play a season (usually) or a few seasons of football. Whether it be a brick and mortar school, or even what seems to be an online community college. The comparisons to this practice is not much different than predatory lending practices seen in the financial field remember that some of these programs are pretty objectively a lesser experience for a kid who comes out of a program that wins a lot or even just has good built up facilities. It is a step down from West Monroe to some D3 programs. I feel bad for kids who are essentially stuck somewhere if they go far away to join a small college program and it all goes wrong.
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2021 1:20:13 GMT -6
There’s another place in Lafayette that recently created a Facebook and Twitter called the Delphina Prep Dolphins. They have someone who is wearing an LCA jersey listed on their staff. www.delphinaprep.com/
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Post by CLEAN on Feb 15, 2021 1:47:28 GMT -6
Retired, put a sock in it.
I know a lot of people who have played at Louisiana College, and I’ve never heard anyone complain about their experience.
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Post by TheFireman89 on Feb 15, 2021 6:17:34 GMT -6
Division 3 athletes to make the pros
Former Texans DE J.J. Watt (was a TE at Wisconsin-Whitewater before transferring to Wisconsin and moving to DE) Colts WR Pierre Garcon (Mount Union) Colts/Packers/Cardinals OL Jeremy Vujnovich (Belle Chasse/LA College) Super Bowl champion Bucs starting OG Ali Marpet (Hobart College) Packers QB Joe Callahan (Wesley College) Seahawks/Bills K Steven Hauschka (Middlebury College before grad transferring to NC State) Saints TE Dan Arnold (Wisconsin-Platteville) Bears/Colts/CFL LB Jerrell Freeman (Mary Hardin-Baylor) Steelers/Rams 2x All-Pro OL Tom Newberry (Wisconsin-La Crosse) Rams/Bills/Redskins LB London Fletcher (John Carroll) Bengals QB Ken Anderson (Augustana College, started a Super Bowl) Oilers/Falcons/CFL RET Billy "Whiteshoes" Johnson (Widener College)
To name a few
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