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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:11:52 GMT -6
How would it be a mistake? The biggest mistake we could make is staying in the LHSAA in its current state. Right now we are second class citizens with no voice. Due to being the minority we have no way to protect ourselves from whatever plan Norman Booker or any other public principal throws at us. Due to sheer numbers we will never have an equal voice. As it is now we are forced to play at substandard times in the Dome for football (10 am on a Friday was an insult) while the public schools keep the traditional Prep Classic times. Now they are spitting basketball and baseball and God know what time/date they'll force us to play those games. We are forced to play district games against teams that won't allow us to compete with them in the playoffs. This wouldn't doom the privates. There is plenty of money and enough schools for us to make this work. There is no reason we need to stay with the publics (many seem hellbent on screwing us at every turn anyway). I see absolutely no reason why this would doom the privates. With all due respect, you asked for this. You can only push people so far before they decide to take a stand and that line was more than crossed over the past few years. Losing a volunteers democratic vote, as outlined by the very constitution in which you agreed too, is NOT being treated as 2nd class citizens. Just what is it that the Non select sector has, that the select sector doesnt because of the Convention vote? This rhetoric is nothing more than drama created by a sector of schools who didnt get their way. Tell me, whats the difference between the two segments that makes one any more or less appealing than the other? One word. Coaching
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Post by fridaynights on Feb 4, 2016 8:12:23 GMT -6
the bottom line is, there won't be a permanent split... all schools will reunite eventually, but things will change. the voting will be more representative for larger schools, and the new organization will have power that the principals wouldn't give the LHSAA The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:16:01 GMT -6
the bottom line is, there won't be a permanent split... all schools will reunite eventually, but things will change. the voting will be more representative for larger schools, and the new organization will have power that the principals wouldn't give the LHSAA The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing
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Post by gentsandpios on Feb 4, 2016 8:22:42 GMT -6
The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing Don't know about others but Cook was successful at Rayne and Crowley with stint at UL in between before taking job at ND. Our only State Championship in football was under Coach Cook.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:23:43 GMT -6
The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing Ty for kind words. We will and see u maybe? Lol
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 4, 2016 8:31:32 GMT -6
the bottom line is, there won't be a permanent split... all schools will reunite eventually, but things will change. the voting will be more representative for larger schools, and the new organization will have power that the principals wouldn't give the LHSAA The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. hence why larger schools are thinking about leaving...
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Post by fridaynights on Feb 4, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -6
They better think long and hard.
It's like a little kid that doesn't get his way. Take your toys and go home type deal...Geez
I'm tired of arguing, I'd hate to see these schools screw up. It would be a disaster for them.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 8:48:41 GMT -6
How would it be a mistake? The biggest mistake we could make is staying in the LHSAA in its current state. Right now we are second class citizens with no voice. Due to being the minority we have no way to protect ourselves from whatever plan Norman Booker or any other public principal throws at us. Due to sheer numbers we will never have an equal voice. As it is now we are forced to play at substandard times in the Dome for football (10 am on a Friday was an insult) while the public schools keep the traditional Prep Classic times. Now they are spitting basketball and baseball and God know what time/date they'll force us to play those games. We are forced to play district games against teams that won't allow us to compete with them in the playoffs. This wouldn't doom the privates. There is plenty of money and enough schools for us to make this work. There is no reason we need to stay with the publics (many seem hellbent on screwing us at every turn anyway). I see absolutely no reason why this would doom the privates. With all due respect, you asked for this. You can only push people so far before they decide to take a stand and that line was more than crossed over the past few years. Aboslutley correct. All the whining will start when all players r automatically eligible when they transfer. The publics really think kids will stay at the local high school for what they all call Athletic reasons. What will happen there will be a flight of kids leaving which here again means more money for the privates. I hope we leave and hope the Catholic League members can make this happen. We will get to play a national schedule and would be fun. My gosh what a great recruiting tool. Thank u LHSAA LOL There is one little problem with so call flight of kids leaving. As point out time and time again to the public, tution, tution, tution. Will all these flight of kids be able to pay tution.
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Post by CrusadingLions on Feb 4, 2016 8:50:14 GMT -6
Losing a volunteers democratic vote, as outlined by the very constitution in which you agreed too, is NOT being treated as 2nd class citizens. Funny you mentioned this but this isn't what we agreed to. When every private school joined the association we were treated as equals. There was no select or non-select designation. That has all changed. Not on any issue affecting private schools we have absolutely no say due to being in the minority where public school principals can effeectively force us to do anything they want due to sheer numbers. There is a big difference now that we are a segregated minority in the LHSAA. Very simple, we are the minority and are basically powerless to stop any plan proposed by Booker or any other principal due to now being a minority member. Private schools should be equal members in the LHSAA and should have an equal voice, right now we do not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:54:04 GMT -6
Losing a volunteers democratic vote, as outlined by the very constitution in which you agreed too, is NOT being treated as 2nd class citizens. Funny you mentioned this but this isn't what we agreed to. When every private school joined the association we were treated as equals. There was no select or non-select designation. That has all changed. Not on any issue affecting private schools we have absolutely no say due to being in the minority where public school principals can effeectively force us to do anything they want due to sheer numbers. There is a big difference now that we are a segregated minority in the LHSAA. Very simple, we are the minority and are basically powerless to stop any plan proposed by Booker or any other principal due to now being a minority member. Private schools should be equal members in the LHSAA and should have an equal voice, right now we do not. You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:55:23 GMT -6
Aboslutley correct. All the whining will start when all players r automatically eligible when they transfer. The publics really think kids will stay at the local high school for what they all call Athletic reasons. What will happen there will be a flight of kids leaving which here again means more money for the privates. I hope we leave and hope the Catholic League members can make this happen. We will get to play a national schedule and would be fun. My gosh what a great recruiting tool. Thank u LHSAA LOL There is one little problem with so call flight of kids leaving. As point out time and time again to the public, tution, tution, tution. Will all these flight of kids be able to pay tution. Yes,Yes,and Yes lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:55:27 GMT -6
The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing I don't know about that. I can give three coaches off the top of my head that have success on both sides. Tim Detillier was a winner (although no state championships) at St. Charles Catholic. Louie Cook has won state championships at both public and private schools as well as Frank Monica who has won state championships at Lutcher and SCC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:56:20 GMT -6
Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing I don't know about that. I can give three coaches off the top of my head that have success on both sides. Tim Detillier was a winner (although no state championships) at St. Charles Catholic. Louie Cook has won state championships at both public and private schools as well as Frank Monica who has won state championships at Lutcher and SCC.
Thanks for proving my point. Coaching
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Post by indy on Feb 4, 2016 8:58:05 GMT -6
The voting system will never change...Each school receives one vote. I can promise you that will not change in our lifetimes. Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing So Tim Detillier was more successful at St. Charles than Lutcher? Bill Stubbs is more successful at Riverside than Salmon?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 9:00:36 GMT -6
Funny you mentioned this but this isn't what we agreed to. When every private school joined the association we were treated as equals. There was no select or non-select designation. That has all changed. Not on any issue affecting private schools we have absolutely no say due to being in the minority where public school principals can effeectively force us to do anything they want due to sheer numbers. There is a big difference now that we are a segregated minority in the LHSAA. Very simple, we are the minority and are basically powerless to stop any plan proposed by Booker or any other principal due to now being a minority member. Private schools should be equal members in the LHSAA and should have an equal voice, right now we do not. You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. You need to go back and look at the vote. Look at how many private schools did not vote on any issues, which to me means they did not show up. So now when Majority vote wins that means the minority vote does not have a voice?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 9:01:41 GMT -6
There is one little problem with so call flight of kids leaving. As point out time and time again to the public, tution, tution, tution. Will all these flight of kids be able to pay tution. Yes,Yes,and Yes lol So if they can pay why aren't they going to a private school now?
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Post by CrusadingLions on Feb 4, 2016 9:02:03 GMT -6
You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. Minority =/= equal members. You need to go back and look at the vote. Look at how many private schools did not vote on any issues, which to me means they did not show up. So now when Majority vote wins that means the minority vote does not have a voice? If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 9:11:27 GMT -6
You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. Minority =/= equal members. You need to go back and look at the vote. Look at how many private schools did not vote on any issues, which to me means they did not show up. So now when Majority vote wins that means the minority vote does not have a voice? If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided. So you are saying when issues are voted on the vote should come out 50% for and 50% against. I am just not following you on equal. Each school has 1 vote, you cannot get anymore equal than that. Do we need to give each private school 2 votes, then would that be fair. There was around 100 schools that did not vote, so that means there wee 100 votes for the side against the split to get.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 4, 2016 9:14:41 GMT -6
You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. Minority =/= equal members. You need to go back and look at the vote. Look at how many private schools did not vote on any issues, which to me means they did not show up. So now when Majority vote wins that means the minority vote does not have a voice? If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided. well based on your theory then 5a schools should have more votes than than class c schools, because they have more students and play more sports. So now this means that all "select" 5A schools now hold the cards and can trump anything and outvote all the smaller "non select" schools. If this is the case than all the "non select" small schools need to pull out and form their own association, so they can have an equal vote. You see how stupid this all sounds. Heres what happened...Bonine asked for a year and got it, and he came up with NOTHING. The best he could come up with was stealing Cook's plan (which most people liked at first) and totally remade it, and left everyone confused as to not knowing who is and who isn't rural or metro. Then he comes out and tells the public schools yall are no longer split-everyone's back together, and than flip flops on that. This is what made most of the public's ban together and decide enough is enough. Everyone knows Bonine is pro-private based on his actions and who he meets with...aka task force and the principals he polled, when he said 7 out 10 principals want to see it all back together. My only question is IF yall decide to split are yall gonna take Bonine with yall?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 9:24:38 GMT -6
Minority =/= equal members. If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided. So you are saying when issues are voted on the vote should come out 50% for and 50% against. I am just not following you on equal. Each school has 1 vote, you cannot get anymore equal than that. Do we need to give each private school 2 votes, then would that be fair. There was around 100 schools that did not vote, so that means there wee 100 votes for the side against the split to get. 94 schools that did not vote for or against the split.
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Post by eag on Feb 4, 2016 9:31:06 GMT -6
Minority =/= equal members. If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided. So you are saying when issues are voted on the vote should come out 50% for and 50% against. I am just not following you on equal. Each school has 1 vote, you cannot get anymore equal than that. Do we need to give each private school 2 votes, then would that be fair. There was around 100 schools that did not vote, so that means there wee 100 votes for the side against the split to get. I believe what he is saying is that in the past schools were judged by individual merit. E D White was not a 'private' school and Kentwood was not a 'public' school. They were just E D White and Kentwood. Over the years a few schools got very dominant. The most ( but not only) dominant schools were private academies, and for whatever reason the LHSAA could or would not deal with the issues that simmered for years. Now, the issues are attacked by segregating schools and now those schools are not seen as individual entities but as members of a block - the entire block being dealt with as a single entity. Private schools are no longer being judged by their own behavior but by the behavior of the strongest representatives of their block. Public schools, however, are judged by the behavior of the average or lowest school of their block. In that environment, no private school can ever hope to have a voice because their 'block' is much smaller. That is why I have been so against this split. It isn't because I don't see the argument that something needs to be done, it's just that this is dividing the LHSAA into basically two 'blocks', one of which has far inferior voting power.
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Post by eag on Feb 4, 2016 9:32:55 GMT -6
I'd love to see a new league formed with actual rules on competitive parity that used things like have been proposed here; Budgets, success metric, etc.
Form it and invite anyone to join that wants to.
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Post by Hortdaddy on Feb 4, 2016 9:36:13 GMT -6
Many students do not transfer because they do not want to be ineligible for a year,, it is tough to sit one year and lose out on one year of your life,,, Sometimes students rather stay instead of give up,,,,,,That is one thing I will say I liked about the MAIS when I was in it,,kids didn't lose any eligibility. If it is about the kids,,,,,then why make them sit out? If a kid went from the MAIS to the LHSAA they didn't lose any eligibility. Some schools do have tuition assistance if they qualify which is no different than public school kids that go on mine and your taxes. I don't know what is going to happen over the next year but I do know there is a lot of unhappy people whether it is public or private with the way things are right now.
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Post by xcat on Feb 4, 2016 9:46:34 GMT -6
How many principals does your school of 1800 have? comments like that is why private schools are wanting to leave the LHSAA and the likes of you behind. And the answer is 1, the same number as combining you and spongebobs brain. The answer is correct (kudos). One. One vote per HS. LHSAA's system of representation is not based on enrollment, nor do the students get to vote. Your argument is invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 10:03:24 GMT -6
What I have learned through this board is how different the attitude/perspective of those in the north differ from those in the south.
Supporters of the split mocking a new organization should realize that here in south Louisiana the Catholic schools have a tremendous amount of clout in regards to sponsorship and what businesses would support them in a new venture should they choose to go that way.
If the Catholic schools in the south decide to join in forming a new association, the LHSAA will undoubtedly feel more financial pain than the loss of revenue from gate receipts.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 10:18:40 GMT -6
What I have learned through this board is how different the attitude/perspective of those in the north differ from those in the south. Supporters of the split mocking a new organization should realize that here in south Louisiana the Catholic schools have a tremendous amount of clout in regards to sponsorship and what businesses would support them in a new venture should they choose to go that way. If the Catholic schools in the south decide to join in forming a new association, the LHSAA will undoubtedly feel more financial pain than the loss of revenue from gate receipts. Not following the gate receipts. You need to go back and look at gate receipts for the championship games, then you can give supporting satistics.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 10:19:33 GMT -6
comments like that is why private schools are wanting to leave the LHSAA and the likes of you behind. And the answer is 1, the same number as combining you and spongebobs brain. The answer is correct (kudos). One. One vote per HS. LHSAA's system of representation is not based on enrollment, nor do the students get to vote. Your argument is invalid. Not invalid, just not in place at this time. The constitution of the LHSAA can be changed by a simple majority vote. All that would be required is for schools to vote to give higher classification schools a greater voice based on the amount of students that they represent. The way the the LHSAA is set up now is like the U.S. having just a Senate with no House of Representatives. I'm not saying it will change, just that's it's possible.
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Post by fridaynights on Feb 4, 2016 10:26:12 GMT -6
No way that will ever happen everybody under 5A will vote No. Everyone has one vote. Doesn't get any more fair than that.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 4, 2016 10:40:11 GMT -6
No way that will ever happen everybody under 5A will vote No. Everyone has one vote. Doesn't get any more fair than that.
Would you cry foul if the Catholic League were to split into 50 schools?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 10:47:03 GMT -6
Minority =/= equal members. If every private school that didn't vote would have voted against the split it still wouldn't have made a difference. There simply needs to be equal representation for both the select and non-select sides now that the asociation is divided. well based on your theory then 5a schools should have more votes than than class c schools, because they have more students and play more sports. So now this means that all "select" 5A schools now hold the cards and can trump anything and outvote all the smaller "non select" schools. If this is the case than all the "non select" small schools need to pull out and form their own association, so they can have an equal vote. You see how stupid this all sounds. Heres what happened...Bonine asked for a year and got it, and he came up with NOTHING. The best he could come up with was stealing Cook's plan (which most people liked at first) and totally remade it, and left everyone confused as to not knowing who is and who isn't rural or metro. Then he comes out and tells the public schools yall are no longer split-everyone's back together, and than flip flops on that. This is what made most of the public's ban together and decide enough is enough. Everyone knows Bonine is pro-private based on his actions and who he meets with...aka task force and the principals he polled, when he said 7 out 10 principals want to see it all back together. My only question is IF yall decide to split are yall gonna take Bonine with yall? This is what I wished the private school supports would understand. Yes, Booker came up with the idea of the select/non select, but Bonine said give him 1 year to come up with a better plan and he did nothing. All he did was to unite the public schools with his Fridays press conference, which he did after the agenda was put out. You want the schools in LHSAA to come back together, that will never happen under Bonine, schools do not trust him.
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