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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 10:50:18 GMT -6
Totally agree, the first step to any further discussions should be to remove Slick Eddie.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 10:54:00 GMT -6
Totally agree, the first step to any further discussions should be to remove Slick Eddie. Wether you are for the split or against split Bonine let both sides down, which means he let the LHSAA down.
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Post by FlyinPigskin on Feb 4, 2016 10:55:08 GMT -6
Little ole Kinder pulled in some pretty hefty gate receipts over the last 3-4 years, all with PUBLIC opponents. We not missing the so called "private" money. I remember about 5 years ago, we went to "mighty" private and we had more people in the stands that they did. Nothing but a few parents, NO ALUMNI, C'mon MAN, support your team.
I'll take the gate from Kinder-Many, Many-Welsh, Kinder-Jennings, Kinder-Welsh, Many-Winnfield, Kinder-Winnfield etc...... over having to halve our gate with a team that has 50-100 people travel with them.
Enjoy traveling all over to fill your schedule after you break away. We won't be crying at all, our gates will still be there.
Blast away guys, because no matter what, when i wake up tomorrow, the split is still here and the "all mighty" privates are still crying.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 11:16:35 GMT -6
Little ole Kinder pulled in some pretty hefty gate receipts over the last 3-4 years, all with PUBLIC opponents. We not missing the so called "private" money. I remember about 5 years ago, we went to "mighty" private and we had more people in the stands that they did. Nothing but a few parents, NO ALUMNI, C'mon MAN, support your team. I'll take the gate from Kinder-Many, Many-Welsh, Kinder-Jennings, Kinder-Welsh, Many-Winnfield, Kinder-Winnfield etc...... over having to halve our gate with a team that has 50-100 people travel with them. Enjoy traveling all over to fill your schedule after you break away. We won't be crying at all, our gates will still be there. Blast away guys, because no matter what, when i wake up tomorrow, the split is still here and the "all mighty" privates are still crying. Preach on!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 11:18:21 GMT -6
Crying is correct. And no one seems to know why.
AGAIN, other than excuses of "watered down", or "second class citizens", both of which have no merit, WHAT IS THE REASON SELECT SCHOOLS HATE THE NEW SYSTEM SO MUCH?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 11:22:22 GMT -6
Crying is correct. And no one seems to know why. AGAIN, other than excuses of "watered down", or "second class citizens", both of which have no merit, WHAT IS THE REASON SELECT SCHOOLS HATE THE NEW SYSTEM SO MUCH? I agree, but if ask they will give a reason. Does not mean it is a good reason. Can they still play in the playoff, yes. They are denied nothing.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 11:31:02 GMT -6
No one is crying. Only looking to do what's best for their school.
The real question is why do the split supporters care so much if we leave or not? You obviously don't want us around anyway.
With apologies to bigbob, who doesn't seem to be able to grasp the situation, if you can't see how the current split has caused the select schools to see themselves as second-class citizens within the LHSAA, then there is really no hope for you.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 11:38:56 GMT -6
No one is crying. Only looking to do what's best for their school. The real question is why do the split supporters care so much if we leave or not? You obviously don't want us around anyway. With apologies to bigbob, who doesn't seem to be able to grasp the situation, if you can't see how the current split has caused the select schools to see themselves as second-class citizens within the LHSAA, then there is really no hope for you. So, someone needs to come with a better idea. Just complaining we feel like second hand citizens is doing nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 11:42:19 GMT -6
No one is crying. Only looking to do what's best for their school. The real question is why do the split supporters care so much if we leave or not? You obviously don't want us around anyway. With apologies to bigbob, who doesn't seem to be able to grasp the situation, if you can't see how the current split has caused the select schools to see themselves as second-class citizens within the LHSAA, then there is really no hope for you. You are misinformed my friend, I 100% do not care if you leave or not. That is fine with me. Explain to me how the select schools are second class citizens. Simple explain it.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 4, 2016 11:42:33 GMT -6
No one is crying. Only looking to do what's best for their school. The real question is why do the split supporters care so much if we leave or not? You obviously don't want us around anyway. With apologies to bigbob, who doesn't seem to be able to grasp the situation, if you can't see how the current split has caused the select schools to see themselves as second-class citizens within the LHSAA, then there is really no hope for you. So, someone needs to come with a better idea. Just complaining we feel like second hand citizens is doing nothing. maybe this is their better idea
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 11:44:06 GMT -6
The publics have felt like second class citizens for 20 years. The privates got better and better and stronger and stronger and more and more dominant every year....in every sport...and the LHSAA sat on their hands and did NOTHING. The publics had to do something!
And don't give me the whole "coach harder" "work harder" "lazy public school coaches" mantra that privates love to spout. TALENT is the answer to the equation 9 times out of 10. Select talent! From multiple towns and parishes..all at one location. As opposed to the talent on hand from a restricted attendance zone for most publics.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 11:46:45 GMT -6
So, someone needs to come with a better idea. Just complaining we feel like second hand citizens is doing nothing. maybe this is their better idea Then there is nothing to complain about. Leaving he LHSAA because you were out voted on a issue is like after the next presidential election everyone that votes for the loosing candidate will leave the United States because they are the minority. Really!!!
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 11:52:47 GMT -6
No one is crying. Only looking to do what's best for their school. The real question is why do the split supporters care so much if we leave or not? You obviously don't want us around anyway. With apologies to bigbob, who doesn't seem to be able to grasp the situation, if you can't see how the current split has caused the select schools to see themselves as second-class citizens within the LHSAA, then there is really no hope for you. You are misinformed my friend, I 100% do not care if you leave or not. That is fine with me. Explain to me how the select schools are second class citizens. Simple explain it. You 100% don't care, yet here you are posting in a thread about the possibilities of a new association starting. Yeah, that looks like you don't care at all. You don't call being segregated from schools in your own district and being told you're not allowed to play them in the playoffs as being treated as second-class citizens? How about an association who still wants private schools to pay dues and remain in good standing but then tells them, "oh no, you can't play the same schools in the playoffs that you are forced to play during the regular season, you have to play these other schools", you don't call that being treated as second-class? There's no way I can make it any more simple. You are either incapable of understanding, or you simply refuse to try.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 11:55:40 GMT -6
The publics have felt like second class citizens for 20 years. The privates got better and better and stronger and stronger and more and more dominant every year....in every sport...and the LHSAA sat on their hands and did NOTHING. The publics had to do something! And don't give me the whole "coach harder" "work harder" "lazy public school coaches" mantra that privates love to spout. TALENT is the answer to the equation 9 times out of 10. Select talent! From multiple towns and parishes..all at one location. As opposed to the talent on hand from a restricted attendance zone for most publics. Yes, you certainly did something. Why complain when you get what you want? Let the select schools do what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 11:58:43 GMT -6
Well, the select schools can do as they please, and I assume will concerning another association. However, this in no way solves whatever issue they seem to have (which no one can actually understand)
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Post by LATigerFan on Feb 4, 2016 12:01:30 GMT -6
Pretty sad in this day and age we had to go back to segregation because a few people wanted an easy way out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:01:39 GMT -6
Little ole Kinder pulled in some pretty hefty gate receipts over the last 3-4 years, all with PUBLIC opponents. We not missing the so called "private" money. I remember about 5 years ago, we went to "mighty" private and we had more people in the stands that they did. Nothing but a few parents, NO ALUMNI, C'mon MAN, support your team. I'll take the gate from Kinder-Many, Many-Welsh, Kinder-Jennings, Kinder-Welsh, Many-Winnfield, Kinder-Winnfield etc...... over having to halve our gate with a team that has 50-100 people travel with them. Enjoy traveling all over to fill your schedule after you break away. We won't be crying at all, our gates will still be there. Blast away guys, because no matter what, when i wake up tomorrow, the split is still here and the "all mighty" privates are still crying. As I stated, your perspective on the situation is far different from mine. Small town football will always do well at the gate. My point was about LHSAA sponsorship's being imperiled. As far as enjoying travelling all over to fill the schedule, there are more than enough schools in the greater New Orleans area to fill a schedule. The Catholic schools in southeast Louisiana will survive and thrive with or without the LHSAA. While the LHSAA can survive without the private schools, I'm not so sure how well either association will thrive in competition with each other for sponsor dollars.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 12:01:48 GMT -6
Well, the select schools can do as they please, and I assume will concerning another association. However, this in no way solves whatever issue they seem to have (which no one can actually understand) Like I said, either you are incapable of understanding, or are simply not trying. Which is it?
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Post by LATigerFan on Feb 4, 2016 12:05:36 GMT -6
They better think long and hard. It's like a little kid that doesn't get his way. Take your toys and go home type deal...Geez I'm tired of arguing, I'd hate to see these schools screw up. It would be a disaster for them. Coming from such a pro-split clown, that really made me laugh. WTF do you think the split is? It's a take my toys and go home type deal.
Im from a public school and I laughed at that too lol
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Post by pinion on Feb 4, 2016 12:05:51 GMT -6
Funny you mentioned this but this isn't what we agreed to. When every private school joined the association we were treated as equals. There was no select or non-select designation. That has all changed. Not on any issue affecting private schools we have absolutely no say due to being in the minority where public school principals can effeectively force us to do anything they want due to sheer numbers. There is a big difference now that we are a segregated minority in the LHSAA. Very simple, we are the minority and are basically powerless to stop any plan proposed by Booker or any other principal due to now being a minority member. Private schools should be equal members in the LHSAA and should have an equal voice, right now we do not. You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. wrong. The split says we are not equal members. If we were equal members, this wouldn't be coming up. I guess maybe some schools are more equal than others though.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:11:15 GMT -6
You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. wrong. The split says we are not equal members. If we were equal members, this wouldn't be coming up. I guess maybe some schools are more equal than others though. How are you not equal. Did any 1 school get more votes than the other?
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 4, 2016 12:12:21 GMT -6
You are equal members, each school has the same vote. If enough agree with you, you will get your way. wrong. The split says we are not equal members. If we were equal members, this wouldn't be coming up. I guess maybe some schools are more equal than others though. can't wait to see Central Jonesville's new chrome ball rack lol
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Post by pioneer on Feb 4, 2016 12:14:51 GMT -6
Little ole Kinder pulled in some pretty hefty gate receipts over the last 3-4 years, all with PUBLIC opponents. We not missing the so called "private" money. I remember about 5 years ago, we went to "mighty" private and we had more people in the stands that they did. Nothing but a few parents, NO ALUMNI, C'mon MAN, support your team. I'll take the gate from Kinder-Many, Many-Welsh, Kinder-Jennings, Kinder-Welsh, Many-Winnfield, Kinder-Winnfield etc...... over having to halve our gate with a team that has 50-100 people travel with them. Enjoy traveling all over to fill your schedule after you break away. We won't be crying at all, our gates will still be there. Blast away guys, because no matter what, when i wake up tomorrow, the split is still here and the "all mighty" privates are still crying. If you have to play privates you have no gate because you loose early.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 12:15:06 GMT -6
wrong. The split says we are not equal members. If we were equal members, this wouldn't be coming up. I guess maybe some schools are more equal than others though. How are you not equal. Did any 1 school get more votes than the other? It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:18:06 GMT -6
How are you not equal. Did any 1 school get more votes than the other? It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal. Actually, it's separate, because it's NOT equal. Publics can't compete with privates on average because of a lack of being able to draw players from several towns/parishes/states....and the LHSAA chose to do NOTHING about that for over 20 years! So something was done using majority rule. It was the only option left.
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Post by pinion on Feb 4, 2016 12:18:07 GMT -6
wrong. The split says we are not equal members. If we were equal members, this wouldn't be coming up. I guess maybe some schools are more equal than others though. How are you not equal. Did any 1 school get more votes than the other? Because the playing field is not level. Since public schools are funded with tax money, there will obviously be more public schools. Public schools recruit smaller public schools to vote for the split. Because if they don't go along with it, then all private schools will be made to play in their designated class. And you end up with ECA and Curtis back in 2A or 3A. So all those schools were sure to vote for the split because they didn't want that to happen to them again. I haven't looked at which schools voted which way. I don't really care. I know that 2 schools in the Shreveport area lead me to believe they were going to vote against a split and then they voted for it. Which isn't a huge surprise. they had pressure applied from the school board. Fact of the matter is that in order to fix this situation, all that needed to be done was some slight rule changes and to actually enforce rules. Instead, we got this mess. And now, it's almost certain that private schools will ditch the LHSAA and form their own league. I just can't figure why a handful of you people give a crap what the private folks think.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:20:22 GMT -6
"all that needed to be done was some slight rule changes and to actually enforce rules. Instead, we got this mess."
In the words of Fonzie...."Exactamundo!"
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Post by pinion on Feb 4, 2016 12:21:05 GMT -6
It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal. Actually, it's separate, because it's NOT equal. Publics can't compete with privates on average because of a lack of being able to draw players from several towns/parishes/states....and the LHSAA chose to do NOTHING about that for over 20 years! So something was done using majority rule. It was the only option left. Wrong! Public WON'T compete. Public schools won't commit the money to build a better program. So the next best thing is to go after private schools. This garbage about how private schools are so much better because of being able to draw players from all over is just stupid.
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Post by airraider on Feb 4, 2016 12:21:12 GMT -6
It would be a big mistake. Northern privates would struggle big time for games. Wouldn't be good. Just remember I told you so.
Fridaynight...I have been reading some of your recent ramblings on the split, at the end of the day your side appears to have finally won. Won what? We'll soon see?
Before you write me a biography on the split I have no skin in this game either way...and I get it...you won.
I'm sure the private schools in northern Louisiana are grateful for your concern, regarding their schedules, and I am quite sure they will figure it out.
The private schools in this state don't need the publics for anything. It's great to see the public and private schools playing against one another, great competition, great rivalries, great games...but at the end of the day it is about the money...the privates have wagons full of it....wagons.
Wagons full of Money = Excellent Academic Resources, Best Athletic Facilities, Newest Apparel....etc. Oh yeah, they still get to pick who goes there.
Last time I checked there were more than a couple of additional private schools in northern Louisiana that would probably be willing to talk about the future of a new private school association in Louisiana.
- River Oaks - Riverfield - Prairie View - Briarfield - Glenbrook - Riverdale - Tensas Academy - Union Christian
These are a few of the ones in northern Louisiana, and before you write about the drop in talent level...yeah a lot of the schools mentioned above are lacking the kind of talent that many of the other private schools in North Louisiana have, but give them some time, by the time they get through picking off, I mean recruiting within the rules of the new association, many of the athletes typically playing in the current LHSAA may find their way onto a new campus or two...wonder if they'll have to sit out a year when transferring in from a non member school:)
Remember it's all about the money...and the privates have wagons full of it. I just hope the privates have enough leadership and courage to break away from a group of member schools that don't want them.
Taxation without representation can be enough to spark a revolution...has before.
Good day Sir...I said good day Sir.
Only thing, those schools above already can openly recruit. The talent level in the mais is not as low as one may think.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:23:07 GMT -6
Actually, it's separate, because it's NOT equal. Publics can't compete with privates on average because of a lack of being able to draw players from several towns/parishes/states....and the LHSAA chose to do NOTHING about that for over 20 years! So something was done using majority rule. It was the only option left. Wrong! Public WON'T compete. Public schools won't commit the money to build a better program. So the next best thing is to go after private schools. This garbage about how private schools are so much better because of being able to draw players from all over is just stupid. Wow...are you an ostrich? Next you'll tell me that all public school coaches are lazy slobs and the ONLY solution is to "work harder" and "coach better" and that "talent doesn't make any difference".
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