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Post by indy on Feb 9, 2016 8:39:40 GMT -6
What they fail to understand about the public schools is leaving the LHSAA is not just up to that principal, they have a boss, School Board. They do have a good amount of ISD schools now that would exit with the privates. But the private schools aren't going anywhere,anytime soon. A split within the LHSAA is still the most feasible and realistic situation. Your average private school wants the same as the average public schools. If you take out the extremes there isn't that much of a fundamental difference. Those in the majority middle will at some point take a stand and do what is best for the members and the kids. I don't know what that's gonna be but I trust it will be a fair resolve
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Post by retired on Feb 9, 2016 9:49:08 GMT -6
So, you'd make a middle of the road kid who's dad got a new job in a new town that he can't play sports for a year? The very sports that would allow him to establish connections and roots in his new community? Sad thing is, I'd support this over the split. But it would be so much better to just classify programs based on where they belong. Solves all that stuff, and the kids still get to play. Yes, I would and that is part of life and the lessons we are faced and many before us have up to now. I'd rather teach a kid the harsh realities of life through sports rather he/she be cuddled through athletics getting trophies as many would say for participation and getting to play because of hardship. Heck hardship is a fact of life and better learn it at an early stage in life to you are prepared to deal with it. As I heard Herm Edwards state last night 6% of HS football players in this country play D-1 ball and from that 1% may play NFL, it is safe to say that the remainder better learn more about life's lessons for that is what they will be dealing with instead of formations on a field the rest of their lives. Don't get me wrong I love athletics which is why this whole crap bothers me so. For we have including many so called educators and principals and coaches alike have continued to do the "kids" a great dis-service! Wait, you say you "LOVE" athletics, you quote a very low percentage of students who get to play D1 football, and then you say that you think it is BEST for the kids to learn the life lesson that if they happen to move during HS, you can't play sports because a very small % of schools sometimes have kids transfer to their schools for athletic purposes. WOW..just....WOW.
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Post by chalmetteowl on Feb 9, 2016 11:08:45 GMT -6
What they fail to understand about the public schools is leaving the LHSAA is not just up to that principal, they have a boss, School Board. They do have a good amount of ISD schools now that would exit with the privates. But the private schools aren't going anywhere,anytime soon. A split within the LHSAA is still the most feasible and realistic situation. Your average private school wants the same as the average public schools. If you take out the extremes there isn't that much of a fundamental difference. Those in the majority middle will at some point take a stand and do what is best for the members and the kids. I don't know what that's gonna be but I trust it will be a fair resolve what we need to ask is what is the end goal of all this splitting? what will the public school principals need to see before they're happy? like i say, we're not split because John Curtis wins all the time. we're split because they never lose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 11:11:02 GMT -6
We're split because the democratic majority, right or wrong, deemed it best for the association.
Again, this is not JUST about John Curtis. Its about the ability to have selective enrollment.
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Post by retired on Feb 9, 2016 11:24:06 GMT -6
We're split because the democratic majority, right or wrong, deemed it best for the association. Again, this is not JUST about John Curtis. Its about the ability to have selective enrollment. NO..its not. As I mentioned in the other thread..Nobody is gnashing their teeth over schools like : Ecole Classique, St. Martin's episcopal, Pope John Paul, Hannan High, Ben Franklin, De Le Salle, Vermillion Catholic, ED White need I go on?
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Post by pinion on Feb 9, 2016 11:45:48 GMT -6
We're split because the democratic majority, right or wrong, deemed it best for the association. Again, this is not JUST about John Curtis. Its about the ability to have selective enrollment. No. It's not. It certainly is NOT. According to whathisface down in Many, it's about private schools recruiting. You people need to get together and get your lies and talking points together before you start shooting off at the mouth. You say it's about selective enrollment, which I have shot down time and time again, and whatshisface says it's about recruiting. Last I checked, he was one of the ones calling the shots with this garbage. Not you. So as it stands, according to the guy pushing it, it's about recruiting. Anything else you have to add to that is of no consequence.
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Post by iknownuthing on Feb 9, 2016 16:33:27 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. Doesn't matter what time the game is, Kinder fans would show up. Privates have more kids on the team than fans in the stands. You quite obviously have not been to an STM, Teurlings, Catholic BR, Brother Martin or other large school game. Every year when STM played Acadiana it was standing room only. When STM plays Teurlings regular season or playoffs its standing room only. We have played across the state and everywhere we go we bring a large crowd. Most of the private schools do, but some private 1A schools should really be playing in class C. It is not that they do not have loyal fans, they are just a really small school willing to compete. I have been to Kinder games, and I have seen public high school games that have empty seats until after the half, when they stop taking the gate. Suddenly the stands fill up on the home side. That is not a quality support. I have been to baseball games when at their home field, the public school had 2 fans in the stand, and one was running the scoreboard. If the so called select schools do finally create a new association, it will be the end of many sports at some public schools including baseball, softball, Cross Country, Volleyball, swimming and bowling. Power lifting is already on the ropes with a lack of participation.
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Post by iknownuthing on Feb 9, 2016 16:42:37 GMT -6
The ONLY MAIS school on that list that would likely join with the new private league would be River Oaks. The rest will stick with the MAIS because of the same reason that split has happened. They know that there will be the certain group of factory schools that will dominate every year. DINGDINGDING!!!! That in a nutshell is the issue with the split. The split does not fix the problem of dominant programs at all. It just makes it go away for a few good public schools. Vandebilt Catholic and St Micheal's are just as much a part of the LHSAA as are Many and Kentwood. But the LHSAA let them down. It moved them to a bracket where there are now far MORE likely to play a 'factory' school while moving the others to a bracket where they will never have to do it. And their public school brethren not only let it happen, they are celebrating it. Guys like Bigbob do not give one whit about it, and these are supposed to be their brethren in LHSAA. Now no one sees them as what they are, but as a nasty 'private' school. The LHSAA exec committee let these schools down by not coming up with a better plan, but why should they do all that work? The public schools, who are the large majority, didn't care as long as THEY didn't have to deal with the 'factories'. Hannan didn't create JC, didn't have anything more to do with JC than Kinder. But when Kinder and Many gang up and say that we don't give a crap what happens to Hannan as long as WE don't have to play JC, then the organization is of no benefit to Hannan anymore. The only problem is that since the split, the big 2 football factories have not been dominant. When they are placed in a more appropriate league 5A/D1 they win fewer championships. Neither made the state finals this year. But the LHSAA voted (thank you W. Monroe and Ruston) to force both JC and Evangel into a 2A and 1A. Had they been allowed to remain in 5A, the split would have never happened. I remember how much the 1A and 2A supports complained. I was on your side, that you guys were thrown to the dogs, not by the private schools, but by the 4A and 5A PUBLIC SCHOOLS. It is just a matter of time once the private leave that you small schools will revert to being the 2nd class citizen.
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Post by iknownuthing on Feb 9, 2016 16:48:34 GMT -6
Those embracing competition? You mean the ones who are cutting and running because they lost a vote? Instead of coming up with ideas that everyone can agree on they just take their ball and go home? You call that embracing competition?
It really does not matter what "ideas" we come up with, you shoot them down with no consideration because of the source. If selects do go to a new association, it will not be taking their ball and going home, that has already been done by the public schools who do not want to play us. We are by right using our right to free association, our right as volunteer members to voluntarily leave the association. Of course that will not stop the lawsuits that are coming.
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Post by eag on Feb 9, 2016 16:50:00 GMT -6
Yes, I would and that is part of life and the lessons we are faced and many before us have up to now. I'd rather teach a kid the harsh realities of life through sports rather he/she be cuddled through athletics getting trophies as many would say for participation and getting to play because of hardship. Heck hardship is a fact of life and better learn it at an early stage in life to you are prepared to deal with it. As I heard Herm Edwards state last night 6% of HS football players in this country play D-1 ball and from that 1% may play NFL, it is safe to say that the remainder better learn more about life's lessons for that is what they will be dealing with instead of formations on a field the rest of their lives. Don't get me wrong I love athletics which is why this whole crap bothers me so. For we have including many so called educators and principals and coaches alike have continued to do the "kids" a great dis-service! Wait, you say you "LOVE" athletics, you quote a very low percentage of students who get to play D1 football, and then you say that you think it is BEST for the kids to learn the life lesson that if they happen to move during HS, you can't play sports because a very small % of schools sometimes have kids transfer to their schools for athletic purposes. WOW..just....WOW. I know, right?! Shows that a lot of these folks are the exact opposite of ' about the kids'. They want to sit around town and talk about the lock high school winning.
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Post by headknocker on Feb 9, 2016 19:24:47 GMT -6
The only problem is that since the split, the big 2 football factories have not been dominant. When they are placed in a more appropriate league 5A/D1 they win fewer championships. Neither made the state finals this year. But the LHSAA voted (thank you W. Monroe and Ruston) to force both JC and Evangel into a 2A and 1A. Had they been allowed to remain in 5A, the split would have never happened. I remember how much the 1A and 2A supports complained. I was on your side, that you guys were thrown to the dogs, not by the private schools, but by the 4A and 5A PUBLIC SCHOOLS. It is just a matter of time once the private leave that you small schools will revert to being the 2nd class citizen. Thank you! I've been saying this for a long time but the split-hungry smaller publics are turning a blind eye to the screwing 1A & 2A got (both public and private) from the 3A and above public schools. This will be the only response you get to your point, trust me.
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Post by 40back on Feb 10, 2016 0:10:28 GMT -6
Pinion,
LOL. You haven't shot down crap. You've given your opinion time and time again. Your opinion is not fact.
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Post by pinion on Feb 10, 2016 12:03:47 GMT -6
Pinion,
LOL. You haven't shot down crap. You've given your opinion time and time again. Your opinion is not fact.
I absolutely have. Just because you're too stupid to understand the concept, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. The schools boards decide where kids can and cannot come from. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. You're taking an enrollment issue, that's decided by a school board, and turning that into a sports problem. That would be like saying we need to put public school X into a "select" class because that school board decided that kids can't wear jeans. the school boards decide where kids will come from to attend their schools. It would be the same as me being mad at my neighbor because of what color I decided to paint my house. then I tell my neighbor he can paint his the same color as mine or he has to move to a different neighborhood. All the while, my neighbor standing there like WTF? It's the same thing. You're blaming private schools for a choice that public schools (boards) make.
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Post by cvwildcatfan on Feb 10, 2016 12:06:13 GMT -6
Curious- how many do they have? 5 on staff if i remember right.
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Post by pinion on Feb 10, 2016 12:10:27 GMT -6
On a whole different note than where this thread has gone.
I'm hoping that if the segregated schools in Louisiana cannot come together and form their own league, a few schools on the western side of the state will talk to the Southwest Preparatory Conference in Texas/Oklahoma and see about joining their league. Or possibly the TAPPS league.
I'm still on the fence about the traveling that either would end up requiring for other sports. And obviously the fact the LHSAA won't allow their member schools to play any school that ditches them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 13:14:22 GMT -6
So you want the "a few schools", to join another states private league. Thats makes perfect sense.
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Post by 40back on Feb 10, 2016 21:32:41 GMT -6
So you want the "a few schools", to join another states private league. Thats makes perfect sense. LOL.
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Post by 40back on Feb 10, 2016 21:35:09 GMT -6
Pinion,
LOL. You haven't shot down crap. You've given your opinion time and time again. Your opinion is not fact.
I absolutely have. Just because you're too stupid to understand the concept, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. The schools boards decide where kids can and cannot come from. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. You're taking an enrollment issue, that's decided by a school board, and turning that into a sports problem. That would be like saying we need to put public school X into a "select" class because that school board decided that kids can't wear jeans. the school boards decide where kids will come from to attend their schools. It would be the same as me being mad at my neighbor because of what color I decided to paint my house. then I tell my neighbor he can paint his the same color as mine or he has to move to a different neighborhood. All the while, my neighbor standing there like WTF? It's the same thing. You're blaming private schools for a choice that public schools (boards) make. Wow, you sound like butthurt Lil' Bonine. If someone doesn't agree with you, you resort to namecalling or calling someone stupid. Once again, you haven't shot down anything. You just think you did.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Feb 11, 2016 10:31:17 GMT -6
Yes, I would and that is part of life and the lessons we are faced and many before us have up to now. I'd rather teach a kid the harsh realities of life through sports rather he/she be cuddled through athletics getting trophies as many would say for participation and getting to play because of hardship. Heck hardship is a fact of life and better learn it at an early stage in life to you are prepared to deal with it. As I heard Herm Edwards state last night 6% of HS football players in this country play D-1 ball and from that 1% may play NFL, it is safe to say that the remainder better learn more about life's lessons for that is what they will be dealing with instead of formations on a field the rest of their lives. Don't get me wrong I love athletics which is why this whole crap bothers me so. For we have including many so called educators and principals and coaches alike have continued to do the "kids" a great dis-service! Wait, you say you "LOVE" athletics, you quote a very low percentage of students who get to play D1 football, and then you say that you think it is BEST for the kids to learn the life lesson that if they happen to move during HS, you can't play sports because a very small % of schools sometimes have kids transfer to their schools for athletic purposes. WOW..just....WOW. That is correct for the game or games I love ("athetics") are greater than the individual. There is no WOW involved. This was how it was when I played and it is what is in place at the next (NCAA) level. Consequences are part of athletics and a great portion of life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 10:34:36 GMT -6
So this "life lesson" is, have an elite, select, situation, and then go destroy people who do not have the same advantages.
Sounds wonderful. What chapter and verse is that?
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Post by retired on Feb 11, 2016 10:50:15 GMT -6
That is correct for the game or games I love ("athetics") are greater than the individual. There is no WOW involved. This was how it was when I played and it is what is in place at the next (NCAA) level. Consequences are part of athletics and a great portion of life. Yes, definite WOW involved. The game or games you "love" are COMPRISED of competition from individuals. You say that is what is in place in the NCAA (not completely true, there is no loss in eligibility if they play in a different division), yet fail to realize the foolishness of that statement. In almost all situations the NCAA is dealing with ADULTS!!! The ADULT (or near adult) student athlete had an opportunity to chose a school in the first place. You are saying "Hey Johnny, Daddy got a promotion and we are moving to Louisiana..SORRY, the consequence is that you won't be able to play football because gentlemanjack "loves" athletics.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Feb 11, 2016 11:06:14 GMT -6
When in athletics the individual is placed ahead of the game the whole is compromised. I would not think further explanation is required.by placing rules in effect to where an individuals circumstance alters the common good then it so compromises the game. And without going in detail yes the NCAA scenario does fit, and yes, again life and its choices, circumstances and decisions even from others have consequences and it is easier to learn in one's youth that harsh reality of life. Also your last statement is completely off topic.
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Post by retired on Feb 11, 2016 11:54:36 GMT -6
When in athletics the individual is placed ahead of the game the whole is compromised. I would not think further explanation is required.by placing rules in effect to where an individuals circumstance alters the common good then it so compromises the game. And without going in detail yes the NCAA scenario does fit, and yes, again life and its choices, circumstances and decisions even from others have consequences and it is easier to learn in one's youth that harsh reality of life. Also your last statement is completely off topic. But it seems your entire thought process is based on an incorrect underlying principle...that all transfers are for athletic purposes. The last statement is on topic. Is there a significant difference between a kid's family moving from Boston to New Orleans and the kid not being eligible to play, than if the kid moved from Alexandria to New Orleans and the kid not being able to play..than if the kid moved from Baton Rouge to New Orleans and not being able to play?? All of those are "harsh consequences of life?" SIDENOTE-- I may have combined your post here with another post I read talking about no transfers being eligible for any reason. If that is not your opinion, and you are only talking about transfers without moves...then yes, my post doesn't make as much sense.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Feb 11, 2016 12:01:35 GMT -6
Not at all and never have I stated such that is your inference. Your last comment from the previous post was closed with the rationale as it being that I love athletics, which is preposterous and again off topic for I do not have a say nor a vote. And lastly, yes all your scenarios are realities that do come into play and in order to keep things as close to fair to all, my answer is yes that individual would have to sit out a year prior to eligibility. I do not see where that is a huge issue. By making it such you are then placing the kid's eligibility above a parent's livelihood.
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Post by pinion on Feb 11, 2016 12:02:46 GMT -6
I absolutely have. Just because you're too stupid to understand the concept, that doesn't mean I'm wrong. The schools boards decide where kids can and cannot come from. Not the LHSAA and not private schools. You're taking an enrollment issue, that's decided by a school board, and turning that into a sports problem. That would be like saying we need to put public school X into a "select" class because that school board decided that kids can't wear jeans. the school boards decide where kids will come from to attend their schools. It would be the same as me being mad at my neighbor because of what color I decided to paint my house. then I tell my neighbor he can paint his the same color as mine or he has to move to a different neighborhood. All the while, my neighbor standing there like WTF? It's the same thing. You're blaming private schools for a choice that public schools (boards) make. Wow, you sound like butthurt Lil' Bonine. If someone doesn't agree with you, you resort to namecalling or calling someone stupid. Once again, you haven't shot down anything. You just think you did. I didn't call anyone a name. I said if you can't understand it that you're stupid. That's a state of being, not a name. I killed it. I don't think any such thing, I know I did. You can't blame private schools for what public schools decided to do. And what puts it on the retard level is when you try blame private schools and make it a sports related issue. Also, it's not a matter of agreeing with me or not. It's a matter of looking at what reality is. Good day.
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Post by pinion on Feb 11, 2016 12:07:31 GMT -6
So you want the "a few schools", to join another states private league. Thats makes perfect sense. Yes. I do. Before all this mess got started, I wanted private schools in their own league. Because the LHSAA doesn't "do" anything for private schools. Consequently, I see no reason to remain a part of it. To be clear, The Southwest Prep Conf. Is made up of private schools from Texas and Oklahoma. Being another "border state" to Texas, I see no issue with it, other than Texas being massive and that potentially causing travel issues. I know of a few schools that are in that league and they're East and Central to Texas. TAPPS, I don't know much about other than it's there and it's a pretty big private league. When I was living in Austin, there was a TAPPS schools up the road from us. Not sure why it matters to you, you obviously don't want the private schools in the LHSAA either.
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Post by retired on Feb 11, 2016 12:40:10 GMT -6
Not at all and never have I stated such that is your inference. Your last comment from the previous post was closed with the rationale as it being that I love athletics, which is preposterous and again off topic for I do not have a say nor a vote. And lastly, yes all your scenarios are realities that do come into play and in order to keep things as close to fair to all, my answer is yes that individual would have to sit out a year prior to eligibility. I do not see where that is a huge issue. By making it such you are then placing the kid's eligibility above a parent's livelihood. Wait, so it is preposterous that you love athletics? (That is what you JUST said...look above) And after reading what you just posted, I reaffirm my "WOW". You are saying that since a very very small percentage of students might go to schools for athletic reasons, then ALL kids who are EVER required to move anytime after the start high school should lose a year of eligibility. DEFINITE WOW. Lets continue down your illogical rabbit hole. What if the kid moves as a 8th grader? So just because a job opportunity or life opportunity pops up when a kid is 13 as opposed to 14 makes a difference to you? WOW.
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Post by gentlemanjack on Feb 11, 2016 12:51:04 GMT -6
What is illogical is furthering this discussion with someone who is unable to comprehend logic. You would be suited to sit on the LHSAA. Have a good day!
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Post by retired on Feb 11, 2016 13:01:33 GMT -6
What is illogical is furthering this discussion with someone who is unable to comprehend logic. You would be suited to sit on the LHSAA. Have a good day! Oh, yes, I forgot that is how these site works. I would not be suitable for the LHSAA, I am not a school principal. Please, enlighten me to where my comments are illogical? I asked you to look at a direct quote from YOURSELF, (I am assuming you missed a few words, and that is why your quote wasn't clear to me). I maintain that you can't claim to "love athletics" and then say "sorry son, your family moved 800 miles for mom's new job but you can't play football this year because it isn't "fair"
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Post by gentlemanjack on Feb 11, 2016 14:09:02 GMT -6
I do love athletics to the point I try to leave it pure to the point I don't make exceptions the rule. So by allowing a kid 800 miles not to have to sit out a year discriminates against the kids who say moves 8 miles but for some other so said valid reason. Then there is the kid who is 8 blocks away and so on until we have what we have today. So KISS - keep it simple stupid! you transfer you sit out a year. It applies to all. A rule should be made so when applied it can be applied to all parties on an equal basis so there is no significant advantage to any one participant or group of participants. This would be such a situation. It is because of what you propose as exceptions as to why we have the multitude of innuendos (mostly unsubstantiated) floating around to the point the decision to split had no empirical basis and done so solely out of emotions.
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