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Post by attilathehun on Feb 4, 2016 12:25:05 GMT -6
If Select schools are the superior group here, won't their playoffs be the Elite Playoffs and the Public Playoffs be the consolation prize? Wouldn't the split actually ENHANCE the aura of the Select champions? If that's the case, why are they against the split? Seems like this will only help them become more attractive to student from 7 parishes that may want to come there and just happen to be athletes.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 12:25:39 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday.
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Post by indy on Feb 4, 2016 12:26:43 GMT -6
Wrong! Public WON'T compete. Public schools won't commit the money to build a better program. So the next best thing is to go after private schools. This garbage about how private schools are so much better because of being able to draw players from all over is just stupid. Wow...are you an ostrich? Next you'll tell me that all public school coaches are lazy slobs and the ONLY solution is to "work harder" and "coach better" and that "talent doesn't make any difference". That would be a good start.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:28:35 GMT -6
Fridaynight...I have been reading some of your recent ramblings on the split, at the end of the day your side appears to have finally won. Won what? We'll soon see?
Before you write me a biography on the split I have no skin in this game either way...and I get it...you won.
I'm sure the private schools in northern Louisiana are grateful for your concern, regarding their schedules, and I am quite sure they will figure it out.
The private schools in this state don't need the publics for anything. It's great to see the public and private schools playing against one another, great competition, great rivalries, great games...but at the end of the day it is about the money...the privates have wagons full of it....wagons.
Wagons full of Money = Excellent Academic Resources, Best Athletic Facilities, Newest Apparel....etc. Oh yeah, they still get to pick who goes there.
Last time I checked there were more than a couple of additional private schools in northern Louisiana that would probably be willing to talk about the future of a new private school association in Louisiana.
- River Oaks - Riverfield - Prairie View - Briarfield - Glenbrook - Riverdale - Tensas Academy - Union Christian
These are a few of the ones in northern Louisiana, and before you write about the drop in talent level...yeah a lot of the schools mentioned above are lacking the kind of talent that many of the other private schools in North Louisiana have, but give them some time, by the time they get through picking off, I mean recruiting within the rules of the new association, many of the athletes typically playing in the current LHSAA may find their way onto a new campus or two...wonder if they'll have to sit out a year when transferring in from a non member school:)
Remember it's all about the money...and the privates have wagons full of it. I just hope the privates have enough leadership and courage to break away from a group of member schools that don't want them.
Taxation without representation can be enough to spark a revolution...has before.
Good day Sir...I said good day Sir.
Only thing, those schools above already can openly recruit. The talent level in the mais is not as low as one may think. I had the exact same thoughts as I read his ramblings, too, airraider. He's listing off those MAIS schools as if they exist in a vacuum, and once the new association is formed, those MAIS schools will suddenly unleash never before seen or heard of recruiting tactics and raid all the local public schools. LOL!!! Too funny! Those schools ALREADY can recruit from public schools and have kids be eligible on Day 1. Yet they are all small in enrollment and the talent level isn't on par with a good 1A program in LHSAA football in most cases at those schools. The only two on that whole list that have the geographical means of becoming stronger through group affiliation are Riverfield and River Oaks, due to their proximity to Monroe. The rest are what they are. That isn't going to change, due to their location.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:30:23 GMT -6
Wow...are you an ostrich? Next you'll tell me that all public school coaches are lazy slobs and the ONLY solution is to "work harder" and "coach better" and that "talent doesn't make any difference". That would be a good start. You usually make a good argument, but you are letting me down on this one.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:30:37 GMT -6
Little ole Kinder pulled in some pretty hefty gate receipts over the last 3-4 years, all with PUBLIC opponents. We not missing the so called "private" money. I remember about 5 years ago, we went to "mighty" private and we had more people in the stands that they did. Nothing but a few parents, NO ALUMNI, C'mon MAN, support your team. I'll take the gate from Kinder-Many, Many-Welsh, Kinder-Jennings, Kinder-Welsh, Many-Winnfield, Kinder-Winnfield etc...... over having to halve our gate with a team that has 50-100 people travel with them. Enjoy traveling all over to fill your schedule after you break away. We won't be crying at all, our gates will still be there. Blast away guys, because no matter what, when i wake up tomorrow, the split is still here and the "all mighty" privates are still crying. If you have to play privates you have no gate because you loose early. So you are saying the privates are alot better than the publics?
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:32:41 GMT -6
How are you not equal. Did any 1 school get more votes than the other? It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal. Beside not playing each other in the playoffs, do the publics get something that the privates do not?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:33:17 GMT -6
If you have to play privates you have no gate because you loose early. So you are saying the privates are alot better than the publics? I think that is your argument. Isn't your position that publics cannot beat privates?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:34:20 GMT -6
It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal. Beside not playing each other in the playoffs, do the publics get something that the privates do not? Explain how we can all compete in district, but not in playoffs.
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Post by Raven on Feb 4, 2016 12:36:29 GMT -6
It's not the vote that created inequality, it's the result. The division of the playoffs between select and non-select has created a 2-caste system, one in which the select caste can never participate in the non-select playoffs. Separate but equal. Actually, it's separate, because it's NOT equal. Publics can't compete with privates on average because of a lack of being able to draw players from several towns/parishes/states....and the LHSAA chose to do NOTHING about that for over 20 years! So something was done using majority rule. It was the only option left. Yes, something WAS done. You got your way. Enjoy.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:39:00 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. I guarantee you this, it would not matter if our team played at 8am monday morning, we would have the same support as if we played Saturday at 7pm. If the time of your game determines your support, you have no support(fan base).
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Post by FlyinPigskin on Feb 4, 2016 12:39:46 GMT -6
If Select schools are the superior group here, won't their playoffs be the Elite Playoffs and the Public Playoffs be the consolation prize? Wouldn't the split actually ENHANCE the aura of the Select champions? If that's the case, why are they against the split? Seems like this will only help them become more attractive to student from 7 parishes that may want to come there and just happen to be athletes. It's because they now have to play a tough game, no more cake walks, in the 2nd round instead of beating up on a public school. Pretty impressive when you can beat a team down 42-0, yeah right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:39:50 GMT -6
Only thing, those schools above already can openly recruit. The talent level in the mais is not as low as one may think. I had the exact same thoughts as I read his ramblings, too, airraider. He's listing off those MAIS schools as if they exist in a vacuum, and once the new association is formed, those MAIS schools will suddenly unleash never before seen or heard of recruiting tactics and raid all the local public schools. LOL!!! Too funny! Those schools ALREADY can recruit from public schools and have kids be eligible on Day 1. Yet they are all small in enrollment and the talent level isn't on par with a good 1A program in LHSAA football in most cases at those schools. The only two on that whole list that have the geographical means of becoming stronger through group affiliation are Riverfield and River Oaks, due to their proximity to Monroe. The rest are what they are. That isn't going to change, due to their location. Actually, the majority of private schools in the LHSAA are "small in enrollment" and "are what they are". One difference between them and the public schools is that they have the courage to compete against everyone in their district in the playoffs and they do not try to vote out the other team when they lose. If the MAIS schools joined with the evicted select schools in Louisiana, most will still never win a state championship, but will still teach kids to compete. Public schools will continue to vote for "change" until every kid gets a trophy.
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Post by FlyinPigskin on Feb 4, 2016 12:41:50 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. Doesn't matter what time the game is, Kinder fans would show up. Privates have more kids on the team than fans in the stands.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:46:00 GMT -6
I had the exact same thoughts as I read his ramblings, too, airraider. He's listing off those MAIS schools as if they exist in a vacuum, and once the new association is formed, those MAIS schools will suddenly unleash never before seen or heard of recruiting tactics and raid all the local public schools. LOL!!! Too funny! Those schools ALREADY can recruit from public schools and have kids be eligible on Day 1. Yet they are all small in enrollment and the talent level isn't on par with a good 1A program in LHSAA football in most cases at those schools. The only two on that whole list that have the geographical means of becoming stronger through group affiliation are Riverfield and River Oaks, due to their proximity to Monroe. The rest are what they are. That isn't going to change, due to their location. Actually, the majority of private schools in the LHSAA are "small in enrollment" and "are what they are". One difference between them and the public schools is that they have the courage to compete against everyone in their district in the playoffs and they do not try to vote out the other team when they lose. If the MAIS schools joined with the evicted select schools in Louisiana, most will still never win a state championship, but will still teach kids to compete. Public schools will continue to vote for "change" until every kid gets a trophy. The ONLY MAIS school on that list that would likely join with the new private league would be River Oaks. The rest will stick with the MAIS because of the same reason that split has happened. They know that there will be the certain group of factory schools that will dominate every year.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:48:36 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. I totally don't get your point here. In the old format, the early Saturday game was at 11:00 am. And I never heard anyone complain. They were too busy cheering their team on in the Dome. But now a select school has to play at a morning time slot and all of a sudden it's a tragedy of Titanic proportions! Discrimination!!! LOL At least try to come up with a valid argument.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 12:49:01 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. I guarantee you this, it would not matter if our team played at 8am monday morning, we would have the same support as if we played Saturday at 7pm. If the time of your game determines your support, you have no support(fan base). Who said our fans wouldn't show up? Read the question again. But to address your point, people who dont have a son playing on the team or in the band, or a daughter cheering or dancing are not the only people who go watch the dome games...except on Friday mornings.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:50:27 GMT -6
You didn't play on Friday morning this year. Again. What is your point? Yes, that first year with 9 games in one weekend was a bit of a train wreck. But this year, with two weekends, your game time argument is totally invalid.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 12:51:13 GMT -6
I wonder if the non-select fans would maintain their level of support for the split if they were relegated to playing the biggest game of the year (or their life) at 10 am on a weekday. I totally don't get your point here. In the old format, the early Saturday game was at 11:00 am. And I never heard anyone complain. They were too busy cheering their team on in the Dome. But now a select school has to play at a morning time slot and all of a sudden it's a tragedy of Titanic proportions! Discrimination!!! LOL At least try to come up with a valid argument. For people with jobs, Friday doesn't equal Saturday.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:52:16 GMT -6
THERE WERE NO FRIDAY GAMES AT 10 AM THIS YEAR
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:52:37 GMT -6
Beside not playing each other in the playoffs, do the publics get something that the privates do not? Explain how we can all compete in district, but not in playoffs. What difference does it matter. The split tells you that the privates are better than the public. Why would you be worried about playing a public school in the playoffs when you can play the best private school out there. Sound like to me the privates are getting the better playoff games.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 12:54:06 GMT -6
You didn't play on Friday morning this year. Again. What is your point? Yes, that first year with 9 games in one weekend was a bit of a train wreck. But this year, with two weekends, your game time argument is totally invalid. Div 4 game was played Friday December 4th at 10 am. Div3 was played immediately following. The final select game wrapped up friday night.
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Post by btown on Feb 4, 2016 12:55:55 GMT -6
I guarantee you this, it would not matter if our team played at 8am monday morning, we would have the same support as if we played Saturday at 7pm. If the time of your game determines your support, you have no support(fan base). Who said our fans wouldn't show up? Read the question again. But to address your point, people who dont have a son playing on the team or in the band, or a daughter cheering or dancing are not the only people who go watch the dome games...except on Friday mornings. Same thing for our teams, our supports have kids that particapate, but the large group are the ones who have graduated or have kids that graduated. It does not matter our fans will be there no matter when the game is. Give us a 10 am game that would just give our fans more time to celebrate in the afternoon.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 12:57:23 GMT -6
THERE WERE NO FRIDAY GAMES AT 10 AM THIS YEAR Look it up. I was there. Friday. 10:00 In. The. Morning.
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:57:22 GMT -6
You didn't play on Friday morning this year. Again. What is your point? Yes, that first year with 9 games in one weekend was a bit of a train wreck. But this year, with two weekends, your game time argument is totally invalid. Div 4 game was played Friday December 4th at 10 am. Div3 was played immediately following. The final select game wrapped up friday night. I didn't attend the select weekend. I will admit that I was incorrect. It was on Friday. What was the reason for not playing on Saturday? Was there a college game?
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Post by kamala on Feb 4, 2016 12:58:15 GMT -6
And I WILL agree with you. Anything before 3:00 or 4:00 on Friday afternoon is unjustified.
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 13:00:50 GMT -6
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Post by billpayor on Feb 4, 2016 13:02:06 GMT -6
Div 4 game was played Friday December 4th at 10 am. Div3 was played immediately following. The final select game wrapped up friday night. I didn't attend the select weekend. I will admit that I was incorrect. It was on Friday. What was the reason for not playing on Saturday? Was there a college game? Not sure but my point is if all games were the same weekend I'd personally have zero issues with the split.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 13:06:51 GMT -6
Explain how we can all compete in district, but not in playoffs. What difference does it matter. The split tells you that the privates are better than the public. Why would you be worried about playing a public school in the playoffs when you can play the best private school out there. Sound like to me the privates are getting the better playoff games. No, the split doesn't tell me that at all. The public schools say that so they can avoid playing someone they concede the game to. YOU are the one saying the private schools are better. I know the truth is that the public schools are capable of winning if they just didn't have coaches and fans who were such defeatists. And seriously, the split in football caused 0-10 teams to make the playoffs. Are you seriously saying that is a better game?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 13:11:51 GMT -6
Agreed. So "coach harder" and shut the hell up. BTW, track the history of the guru private coaches when there were in the public sector....................NOT so glowing So Tim Detillier was more successful at St. Charles than Lutcher? Bill Stubbs is more successful at Riverside than Salmon? I didn't say he was more successful but he was winning and the school was sorry to see him leave. As for Stubbs give time and I think he will be.
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