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Post by sportsdude on Nov 16, 2016 9:19:03 GMT -6
Did I miss something?
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Post by goldburg on Nov 16, 2016 9:21:26 GMT -6
Bc they are a magnet school Take from entire area in parish
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Post by Raven on Nov 16, 2016 9:21:51 GMT -6
Based on the percentage of their student body from outside their attendance zone. Same with Byrd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 9:38:42 GMT -6
A better question would be why are they select, and Madison Prep non-select. They both draw from an entire parish. Rule might need to be adjusted. MP is a charter, that's the only difference I see.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 9:41:37 GMT -6
Answer to all the questions is The LHSAA! I can go into more details but I'm guessing most of you know them.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 9:59:39 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker.
There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts.
Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result.
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Post by TC_Cant_Hang on Nov 16, 2016 10:05:11 GMT -6
All of the consolidated schools have wide attendance zones. The whole thing has become silly/personal.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 10:07:38 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. Then why didn't they move Many to select? Amazing to me that right after the split vote, they voted to let Many, Kinder or whoever get kids from their entire parish (and beyond) if those schools didn't offer football, baseball, or any other sport not offered. How is this different than MP?
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 10:24:14 GMT -6
When districts come out soon trust me Bonine is Geri f his way word is many, kinder, welsh are all getting shuffled. He is basically forcing teams to play outside normal district area based on his and teams that been getting smashed by those teams I'm Their own district. Word is many getting put out district for Pickering, oakdale, Dequincy, rosepine, east beau, and Vinton forming up which only oakdale has agreed to keep to play kinder / welsh even pre district. That would move welsh, kinder, lake Arthur, notre dame, Ville Platte, and Ascension episcopal together. Not sure but I believe many going to up north. Moving Madison prep was also a move by him and I believe few other people. Nothing has been done by the book with Lhsaa they trying to work in better solution by break rules in the process. Rules need to be set there are to many loop holes. I'm not sure how Madison prep all of a sudden is public now or how mid season that happened which is bull. They have almost 500 kids and pull from all over their area. Bonine is also trying to persuade your own local school boards for certain things you get school boards on his side and look out. Bottom line none of us can totally agree so one day a compromise will take place. If you want him out there is only two ways. Enough schools and participants in Lhsaa push it or #2 DIRT
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Post by Raven on Nov 16, 2016 10:41:45 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. I agree. Not with why they changed them to non-select, but I agree that they should be considered select. All charter schools should be considered select. That includes almost all the charter high schools in NOLA. Here's a list of the current charter high schools in Louisiana from the Louisiana Dept of Ed.: Mentorship Academy Slaughter Community Charter School Madison Preparatory Academy D'Arbonne Woods Charter School Delhi Charter School Delta Charter School Lincoln Preparatory School JS Clark Leadership Academy Lake Charles College Prep Benjamin Franklin High School Lusher Charter School Beekman Charter School Edna Karr High School Warren Easton Senior High Charter School KIPP Renaissance High School Lake Area New Tech Early College High School LB Landry - OP Walker College & Career Preparatory High School G.W. Carver Sci Academy Joseph S. Clark Preparatory High School Capitol High School Sophie B. Wright Learning Academy Cohen College Prep The bigger charter schools like Karr, Lusher, Landry-Walker and Warren Easton would also help to fill out the brackets for the Division 1 and 2 playoffs.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 10:46:23 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. Then why didn't they move Many to select? Amazing to me that right after the split vote, they voted to let Many, Kinder or whoever get kids from their entire parish (and beyond) if those schools didn't offer football, baseball, or any other sport not offered. How is this different than MP? Many doesn't fit ANY of the criteria for select. What an asinine statement on your part. Who "voted" to let Many , Kinder or whoever to get kids from their entire parish (and beyond)? Did you just make that up as you went along? That wouldn't apply to Kinder seeing as how Oberlin and Oakdale also offer football. Many can get kids from all of Sabine Parish because they ARE the only football school in the parish. Sabine Parish is, and always has been, a basketball region. Florien, Pleasant Hill, Converse, Zwolle....all big basketball towns, and to a lesser extent , softball and baseball. Been that way for eons. Many has always been the only football center of interest in the parish. And truthfully, very few kids from outside Many come to Many just to play football.
Madison Prep gets kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area, and beyond, despite that fact that virtually every kid they have is zoned for a public school that DOES offer football.
You are comparing apples and oranges. But of course, that isn't a surprise to anyone on here. Very few of your points have much validity anyway.
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Post by fridaynights on Nov 16, 2016 10:48:44 GMT -6
Many has ZERO players on team outside of attendance zone. ZERO
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 10:49:21 GMT -6
I agree. Not with why they changed them to non-select, but I agree that they should be considered select. All charter schools should be considered select. That includes almost all the charter high schools in NOLA. Here's a list of the current charter high schools in Louisiana from the Louisiana Dept of Ed.: Mentorship Academy Slaughter Community Charter School Madison Preparatory Academy D'Arbonne Woods Charter School Delhi Charter School Delta Charter School Lincoln Preparatory School JS Clark Leadership Academy Lake Charles College Prep Benjamin Franklin High School Lusher Charter School Beekman Charter School Edna Karr High School Warren Easton Senior High Charter School KIPP Renaissance High School Lake Area New Tech Early College High School LB Landry - OP Walker College & Career Preparatory High School G.W. Carver Sci Academy Joseph S. Clark Preparatory High School Capitol High School Sophie B. Wright Learning Academy Cohen College Prep The bigger charter schools like Karr, Lusher, Landry-Walker and Warren Easton would also help to fill out the brackets for the Division 1 and 2 playoffs. Totally 100% agree!
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 10:52:36 GMT -6
Then why didn't they move Many to select? Amazing to me that right after the split vote, they voted to let Many, Kinder or whoever get kids from their entire parish (and beyond) if those schools didn't offer football, baseball, or any other sport not offered. How is this different than MP? Many doesn't fit ANY of the criteria for select. What an asinine statement on your part. Who "voted" to let Many , Kinder or whoever to get kids from their entire parish (and beyond)? Did you just make that up as you went along? That wouldn't apply to Kinder seeing as how Oberlin and Oakdale also offer football. Many can get kids from all of Sabine Parish because they ARE the only football school in the parish. Sabine Parish is, and always has been, a basketball region. Florien, Pleasant Hill, Converse, Zwolle....all big basketball towns, and to a lesser extent , softball and baseball. Been that way for eons. Many has always been the only football center of interest in the parish. And truthfully, very few kids from outside Many come to Many just to play football.
Madison Prep gets kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area, and beyond, despite that fact that virtually every kid they have is zoned for a public school that DOES offer football.
You are comparing apples and oranges. But of course, that isn't a surprise to anyone on here. Very few of your points have much validity anyway.
Check the bylaws. Oberlin and Elton do not have baseball so it allows them to go to Kinder and play football. Many draws from the whole parish of roughly 1,200 students. How is that fair to schools that only draw from one town? I see no difference in Many and MP.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 11:06:20 GMT -6
Many doesn't fit ANY of the criteria for select. What an asinine statement on your part. Who "voted" to let Many , Kinder or whoever to get kids from their entire parish (and beyond)? Did you just make that up as you went along? That wouldn't apply to Kinder seeing as how Oberlin and Oakdale also offer football. Many can get kids from all of Sabine Parish because they ARE the only football school in the parish. Sabine Parish is, and always has been, a basketball region. Florien, Pleasant Hill, Converse, Zwolle....all big basketball towns, and to a lesser extent , softball and baseball. Been that way for eons. Many has always been the only football center of interest in the parish. And truthfully, very few kids from outside Many come to Many just to play football.
Madison Prep gets kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area, and beyond, despite that fact that virtually every kid they have is zoned for a public school that DOES offer football.
You are comparing apples and oranges. But of course, that isn't a surprise to anyone on here. Very few of your points have much validity anyway.
Check the bylaws. Oberlin and Elton do not have baseball so it allows them to go to Kinder and play football. Many draws from the whole parish of roughly 1,200 students. How is that fair to schools that only draw from one town? I see no difference in Many and MP. I'm beginning to wonder if you know what an apple and an orange is. LOL
Why would a baseball kid go to Kinder to play football? Do you KNOW that there are Oberlin or Elton kids at Kinder playing football? Or are you just speculating?
As for your assertion that Many is no different than Madison Prep, that is even funnier. Sabine Parish has 1,200 total students 9-12. East Baton Rouge Parish has 43,000 students. Probably 6,00-7,000 in 9-12. Madison Prep has access to every one of them, just like Many has access to all 1,200 of the students in Sabine Parish. Yea, that's equivalent!!! LOL!!
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 11:10:39 GMT -6
Check the bylaws. Oberlin and Elton do not have baseball so it allows them to go to Kinder and play football. Many draws from the whole parish of roughly 1,200 students. How is that fair to schools that only draw from one town? I see no difference in Many and MP. I'm beginning to wonder if you know what an apple and an orange is. LOL
Why would a baseball kid go to Kinder to play football? Do you KNOW that there are Oberlin or Elton kids at Kinder playing football? Or are you just speculating?
As for your assertion that Many is no different than Madison Prep, that is even funnier. Sabine Parish has 1,200 total students. East Baton Rouge Parish has 43,000 students. Madison Prep has access to every one of them, just like Many has access to all 1,200 of the students in Sabine Parish. Yea, that's equivalent!!! LOL!!
You have a good point, I stand corrected. But we do agree on Many has access to 1,200 students. So how is that fair to Lake Arthur, Pine, Delcambre, Jenerette?
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Post by sportsdude on Nov 16, 2016 11:16:25 GMT -6
Well I seem to remember Scot being in the non-select power ratings. Not surprised the LHSAA is bumbling and stumbling with this crapola.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 11:18:44 GMT -6
All the towns you just named have OTHER SCHOOLS THAT OFFER FOOTBALL within their same parish.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 11:21:53 GMT -6
And THEORETICALLY Many has access to 1,200 students....well, 600 boys....in 9-12. Half will play football . That's 300.
Let's look at Madison Prep. 42,000 students....21,000 boys. Of that, 4,400 boys in 9-12. Half will play football. That's 2,200. That's 7 times as many boys available.
You are a special kind of clueless
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Post by TC_Cant_Hang on Nov 16, 2016 11:26:10 GMT -6
That's precisely why Rural/Metro has merit.
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Post by mt on Nov 16, 2016 11:49:21 GMT -6
Being a Baton Rouge resident I have a little knowledge on this and questioned it as well. Two facts that remain are over 25% of Scotlandville enrollment is not in North Baton Rouge whereas Madison Preps is. Madison Prep is the only school in that area without having to take a long bus ride. Granted they pull from friendship, Glen Oaks, it isn't 25% of the enrollment.
Is it likely that a ton of kids use addresses in the MPA zone? Absolutely. But on paper it shows that area where most of those kids would go to Istrouma but of course that hasn't reopened yet
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Post by pinion on Nov 16, 2016 11:59:38 GMT -6
NOTE: I havent read the rest of the replies yet, I just wanted to have a knee-jerk reaction.. They're in Select because they obviously cheat. All teams in Select cheat, that's why they're there. 2nd NOTE: Now I'm going to read the rest of the replies.
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Post by pinion on Nov 16, 2016 12:10:03 GMT -6
Many has ZERO players on team outside of attendance zone. ZERO
I believe that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to think otherwise. But Many is the only show in the parish, so there are students coming from the entire parish, no? If that is indeed the case, I think that puts Many in about the same boat as Byrd in Shreveport.
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 12:13:14 GMT -6
Many has ZERO players on team outside of attendance zone. ZERO
I believe that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to think otherwise. But Many is the only show in the parish, so there are students coming from the entire parish, no? If that is indeed the case, I think that puts Many in about the same boat as Byrd in Shreveport. Yes....that would be EXACTLY the same....Shreveport only has 1,200 total students ...
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Post by pinion on Nov 16, 2016 12:21:00 GMT -6
I believe that. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone to think otherwise. But Many is the only show in the parish, so there are students coming from the entire parish, no? If that is indeed the case, I think that puts Many in about the same boat as Byrd in Shreveport. Yes....that would be EXACTLY the same....Shreveport only has 1,200 total students ...
I'm pretty sure Shreveport has significantly more students than that. The number of students isn't the point. The point is that Many is drawing kids from the whole parish, just as Byrd does. I wonder how many football players at Many live near Converse High, or Negreet, or Florien? I've heard rumors that some kids from Zwolle attend Many high, but I refuse to believe that. Folks in Zwolle tend to try and stay in Zwolle (all they need is some mountains down there to make it all come together). So while you may be hung up on the number of students in the parish, that's not the issue. I wonder at what point the other schools in Sabine Parish were made aware that they were not allowed to field a football team because they want all the players in the parish to be at Many HS?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 12:22:15 GMT -6
Many doesn't fit ANY of the criteria for select. What an asinine statement on your part. Who "voted" to let Many , Kinder or whoever to get kids from their entire parish (and beyond)? Did you just make that up as you went along? That wouldn't apply to Kinder seeing as how Oberlin and Oakdale also offer football. Many can get kids from all of Sabine Parish because they ARE the only football school in the parish. Sabine Parish is, and always has been, a basketball region. Florien, Pleasant Hill, Converse, Zwolle....all big basketball towns, and to a lesser extent , softball and baseball. Been that way for eons. Many has always been the only football center of interest in the parish. And truthfully, very few kids from outside Many come to Many just to play football.
Madison Prep gets kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area, and beyond, despite that fact that virtually every kid they have is zoned for a public school that DOES offer football.
You are comparing apples and oranges. But of course, that isn't a surprise to anyone on here. Very few of your points have much validity anyway.
Check the bylaws. Oberlin and Elton do not have baseball so it allows them to go to Kinder and play football. Many draws from the whole parish of roughly 1,200 students. How is that fair to schools that only draw from one town? I see no difference in Many and MP. Oberlin doesn't have baseball? I must have missed that. Elton doesn't Oberlin does. And there are absolutely no kids from the Oberlin zone going to school in Kinder and the 2 from Elton that transferred to Kinder 8 years ago and I'm almost certain they live right on the Parish line which gives them the option of school of first choice. If thay be the case we are stealing kids from Iowa as well.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 12:26:37 GMT -6
Check the bylaws. Oberlin and Elton do not have baseball so it allows them to go to Kinder and play football. Many draws from the whole parish of roughly 1,200 students. How is that fair to schools that only draw from one town? I see no difference in Many and MP. Oberlin doesn't have baseball? I must have missed that. Elton doesn't Oberlin does. And there are absolutely no kids from the Oberlin zone going to school in Kinder and the 2 from Elton that transferred to Kinder 8 years ago and I'm almost certain they live right on the Parish line which gives them the option of school of first choice. If thay be the case we are stealing kids from Iowa as well. So if kinder and Many gets zero kids from outside their natural zone, why did Booker and his clones feel the need to make such a rule?
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Post by kamala on Nov 16, 2016 12:26:39 GMT -6
Yes....that would be EXACTLY the same....Shreveport only has 1,200 total students ...
I'm pretty sure Shreveport has significantly more students than that. The number of students isn't the point. The point is that Many is drawing kids from the whole parish, just as Byrd does. I wonder how many football players at Many live near Converse High, or Negreet, or Florien? I've heard rumors that some kids from Zwolle attend Many high, but I refuse to believe that. Folks in Zwolle tend to try and stay in Zwolle (all they need is some mountains down there to make it all come together). So while you may be hung up on the number of students in the parish, that's not the issue. I wonder at what point the other schools in Sabine Parish were made aware that they were not allowed to field a football team because they want all the players in the parish to be at Many HS? No other schools in Sabine Parish WANT football. You refuse to see the obvious. Many is the only choice for a boy to play football in that parish. And I know for a fact that over the years only a handful of boys have left Zwolle or Florien or Pleasant Hill or Converse to come to Many just to play football.
And yes, numbers do matter. Sabine Parish probably has a total of less than 600 boys in 9-12 parish wide. And you are saying that they are "no different " than Byrd. Caddo Parish probably has 3,000 boys ...or more....parish wide in 9-12. 5 times as many bodies to choose from.
There is no argument or justification. You are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 12:28:03 GMT -6
To compare Many to Madison Prep or Byrd isn't a fair comparison at all. Other than Many there are 5-6 class B or C schools in the parish, and NONE of them offer FB, that is the ONLY way they are allowed to attend Many. Not to mention they must sit out a year when they enroll in Many, and should for any reason they quit they are required to return to their original school. Should a kid want to attend Byrd or MP they are allowed to even if the school they are coming from has FB, now rather or not they have to sit a year, I dont know. Plus the population of Sabine parish is roughly 24,000 and the population of East Baton Rouge Parish is almost 500,000. But I guess that many DI BB and FB players do live in the small neighborhood that MP is located.
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Post by mt on Nov 16, 2016 12:28:23 GMT -6
Is it really thought that this rule was made to stop Many High? If so, what's the LHSAA beef with them? I don't see or get it
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