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Post by eag on Nov 16, 2016 17:24:50 GMT -6
Ahh, true Former Coach, but there are other barriers to enrollment. The largest of those is tuition. Those kids you mention can play football at the schools you mention for free, or they must CHOOSE to go to Menard and pay tution while adhering to tighter discipline and academic standards. If I live next door to Negreet and like football, I am REQUIRED to go to Many or I cannot play. Many doesn't have to do anything to attract those kids except offer football. A private school must convince parents that the investment is worthwhile. That is what I see as the difference - Many gets ALL the football players from 1109 kids, Menard ( for example) has a chance at convincing some of 5000 kids that the extra cost and other stuff is worth it. Again, my take on the difference. We can go back and forth on what is a bigger advantage - ALL the kids from a smaller area or some of the kids from a bigger one. But, if you've read my post history, it really is irrelevant. My belief is that all schools have different advantages over each other. Leverage them if you can, or don't, whatever. But I believe that Many should play in 2A, and I believe that Menard and Sacred Heart, and Northlake should play in 2A. I believe that IF we want to do something to make a level playing field, the ONLY sensible thing is to use on-field results to establish that. My point above was to establish that isolating a single factor (private status) as the only unfair advantage that exists, and the be-all/end-all of competitive advantage is silly. Furthermore, your point actually serves to further mine in a way. Theoretically, a Menard should NEVER LOSE to a Many if private school attainment of kids is actually a huge advantage as split proponents would have us believe. Conveniently, they share a district and play annually. Makes for a nice case study! How's it working out for poor Many to have to deal with that private school that can get kids from anywhere ( Pineville, Houston, Oregon, NYC LOL) every year? Private status is not an automatic advantage and should not be a criteria for separataion. If we want to do something like Indiana does ( that plan has been posted here many times) then I'm ok with it, even though I personally think it was all fine before the split. I'm OK with it because it actually uses the issue in question ( disproportionate success) to separate. That equalizes all advantages. No school sees THEIR advantage as a problem - only the OTHER guys advantage is a problem. The current split unfairly impacts moderately successful private schools who will never be athletic factories by lumping them in with the John Curtis' of the state. These schools are paying members of LHSAA just as much as the top public schools who are the only ones gaining from this. Why is no one concerned about what it is doing to those schools? Not exactly true. Menard tried to get me an academic scholarship to play football years ago while I was at Arthur F. Smith, so there are workarounds. Whats sad was it was teachers pushing at my school, not just Menard, and what's worse, I wasn't all that great, just big. Not trying to start anything, because you are on my very short list of favorite posters on here, but I do hear things like this all the time about various private schools. Bottom line-- who is 'Menard'? If it was the powers that be ( or were at that time) why didn't it happen? If it was just talk on the street, - well, that's meaningless.
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Post by BGH on Nov 16, 2016 17:28:40 GMT -6
The only way for this situation to get fixed is for EVERY school (publics, privates, magnets, charter, etc) to have an attendance zone, and follow the same exact rules. If a kid doesn't live in your attendance zone, they do not play sports at your school. A kid is allowed to attend another school for safety, transportation reason, etc. but is not allowed to participate in ANY sports. Is this harsh, yes...does it stop the complaining from both sides, yes...at least for now. Let me get this straight. You want to give every school their own attendance zone and if as you say " a kid doesn't live in your attendance zone, they do not play sports at your school". So you are saying that if a kid does not live in Evangel's attendance zone, they cannot play football at Evangel. You are also saying that if a kid does live in Evangel's zone that he can play football at Evangel ......... but he cannot play football at his closest public school.
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Post by eag on Nov 16, 2016 17:29:11 GMT -6
Random thoughts: Kinda funny to me that the arguments within this thread sort of would lead a person to believe that a rural/metro split would make more sense than a public/private split, even though that is not the intent. Saying that Many is like MP or Byrd is somewhat overstated, therefore making Many defenders a feel the need to lash back. But would it not be accurate to say that there is some advantage to the situation when compared to other 2A schools? Bottom line, the end result is that Many pulls a football team from a population of 1,109 students (Zwolle 201, Florien 152, Negreet 149, Converse 145, Ebarb 85, Pleasant Hill 71 plus Many's 306) but plays in 2A using only it's own enrollment of 306. Now, it has already been established by split supporters on here that it doesn't matter what a school does or does not do, only what it CAN do. If the argument that weaker private schools don't deserve consideration because they COULD become John Curtis, then it makes no actual difference exactly how many kids actually come to play football from thse other schools. Lack of interest, etc is not a consideration. Bottom line, the football team is derived from a pool of 1,109 students. This is undeniable fact. That is squarely in 4A territory. But Many feels like it needs to exclude schools like Menard ( who hasn't beaten Many in years), Northlake Christian, Sacred Heart because THOSE schools have an advantage? That's where the hate for the split comes from. Crap like that-- not actually trying to create competitive balance, just trying to kick out private schools for being private. Many may have access to 1109 students, but they very seldom get any students transferring. Not really a good point are argument at all! So. Lake Arthur gets kids from metropolitan Klondike, which is actually in Cameron parish, should they now be considered select? Private schools have access to every student in the state, very few of them get kids that didn't already have a connection. Anyway, my point is all schools have these theoretical advantages, but in the end what makes a good team is: Community support, participation at a high level among the students, good program incorporating jr high or other feeder programs, stable coaching situation. Those are the common factors among successful programs. You find all of these factors at Many, Kinder, ND, JC, WM, etc. Public/private does not have nearly that correlation with success, if it has any correlation at all.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 17:29:26 GMT -6
Random thoughts: Kinda funny to me that the arguments within this thread sort of would lead a person to believe that a rural/metro split would make more sense than a public/private split, even though that is not the intent. Saying that Many is like MP or Byrd is somewhat overstated, therefore making Many defenders a feel the need to lash back. But would it not be accurate to say that there is some advantage to the situation when compared to other 2A schools? Bottom line, the end result is that Many pulls a football team from a population of 1,109 students (Zwolle 201, Florien 152, Negreet 149, Converse 145, Ebarb 85, Pleasant Hill 71 plus Many's 306) but plays in 2A using only it's own enrollment of 306. Now, it has already been established by split supporters on here that it doesn't matter what a school does or does not do, only what it CAN do. If the argument that weaker private schools don't deserve consideration because they COULD become John Curtis, then it makes no actual difference exactly how many kids actually come to play football from thse other schools. Lack of interest, etc is not a consideration. Bottom line, the football team is derived from a pool of 1,109 students. This is undeniable fact. That is squarely in 4A territory. But Many feels like it needs to exclude schools like Menard ( who hasn't beaten Many in years), Northlake Christian, Sacred Heart because THOSE schools have an advantage? That's where the hate for the split comes from. Crap like that-- not actually trying to create competitive balance, just trying to kick out private schools for being private. Many may have access to 1109 students, but they very seldom get any students transferring. Not really a good point are argument at all! So. Lake Arthur gets kids from metropolitan Klondike, which is actually in Cameron parish, should they now be considered select?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 17:41:25 GMT -6
Many may have access to 1109 students, but they very seldom get any students transferring. Not really a good point are argument at all! So. Lake Arthur gets kids from metropolitan Klondike, which is actually in Cameron parish, should they now be considered select? ! Geez We have about 70 kids on our football team. 2 kids live out of zone. How many Crowley kids ONLY do y'all have? U call us s, we call y'all cherrypickers. Y'all get them from Rayne, church point, Lafayette, lake Arthur, iota, and welsh to name a few. Care to give us anymore?
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 17:58:14 GMT -6
We have about 70 kids on our football team. 2 kids live out of zone. How many Crowley kids ONLY do y'all have? U call us s, we call y'all cherrypickers. Y'all get them from Rayne, church point, Lafayette, lake Arthur, iota, and welsh to name a few. Care to give us anymore? We get them from Catholic feeder schools. We cherry pick in the first grade. Good try. We have been pushed aside already by the s. Kinder and Many will too, get used to it, your own kind will turn on you. How long do you think it will take? They are plotting against y'all as we speak. Do you really think all of 2a is cheering for y'all to be in the dome every year? Self serving rules only works for a short while. The next group is up to bat!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 18:03:01 GMT -6
We have about 70 kids on our football team. 2 kids live out of zone. How many Crowley kids ONLY do y'all have? U call us s, we call y'all cherrypickers. Y'all get them from Rayne, church point, Lafayette, lake Arthur, iota, and welsh to name a few. Care to give us anymore? We get them from Catholic feeder schools. We cherry pick in the first grade. Good try. We have been pushed aside already by the s. Kinder and Many will too, get used to it, your own kind will turn on you. How long do you think it will take? They are plotting against y'all as we speak. Do you really think all of 2a is cheering for y'all to be in the dome every year? Self serving rules only works for a short while. The next group is up to bat! Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more!
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 18:08:07 GMT -6
We get them from Catholic feeder schools. We cherry pick in the first grade. Good try. We have been pushed aside already by the s. Kinder and Many will too, get used to it, your own kind will turn on you. How long do you think it will take? They are plotting against y'all as we speak. Do you really think all of 2a is cheering for y'all to be in the dome every year? Self serving rules only works for a short while. The next group is up to bat! Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! He cherry picked us. Again, Nice try. He very easily could have went to Kinder, Many, JC, E, anywhere in the USA other than Lafayette parish.
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Post by eag on Nov 16, 2016 18:11:36 GMT -6
We get them from Catholic feeder schools. We cherry pick in the first grade. Good try. We have been pushed aside already by the s. Kinder and Many will too, get used to it, your own kind will turn on you. How long do you think it will take? They are plotting against y'all as we speak. Do you really think all of 2a is cheering for y'all to be in the dome every year? Self serving rules only works for a short while. The next group is up to bat! Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! Don't forget, there is nothing at all about the Shelvin move to ND that was any different than if he had chosen any other school. The private status of ND had zero to do with it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 18:19:07 GMT -6
Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! He cherry picked us. Again, Nice try. He very easily could have went to Kinder, Many, JC, E, anywhere in the USA other than Lafayette parish. How convenient.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 18:20:31 GMT -6
He cherry picked us. Again, Nice try. He very easily could have went to Kinder, Many, JC, E, anywhere in the USA other than Lafayette parish. How convenient. That's what JT says.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 18:21:21 GMT -6
Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! Don't forget, there is nothing at all about the Shelvin move to ND that was any different than if he had chosen any other school. The private status of ND had zero to do with it Nothing at all different. Ok.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 18:28:59 GMT -6
He probably does say that, and he is probably right. Parents seem to want to cross lines, move, make fake addresses, generally do what they think is best for their child. Same reason why out of zone kids end up at Many and Kinder. Thanks for reminding me of that.
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Post by eag on Nov 16, 2016 18:34:35 GMT -6
Don't forget, there is nothing at all about the Shelvin move to ND that was any different than if he had chosen any other school. The private status of ND had zero to do with it Nothing at all different. Ok. What specific change did the private status of ND create that would not have applied if he had moved to, say, Kinder? There are simply no rules that are different for ND in this case than any other school.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 18:45:53 GMT -6
Nothing at all different. Ok. What specific change did the private status of ND create that would not have applied if he had moved to, say, Kinder? There are simply no rules that are different for ND in this case than any other school. He knows. They tend to get confused between excuses and reasons. They are learning good lessons for when they are defending themselves against their own. Only then they will appreciate us!
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Post by pioneer on Nov 16, 2016 19:08:29 GMT -6
He cherry picked us. Again, Nice try. He very easily could have went to Kinder, Many, JC, E, anywhere in the USA other than Lafayette parish. How convenient. 5 star that has 7 tackles on the year.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 19:16:00 GMT -6
5 star that has 7 tackles on the year. Shhhh. They already jealous!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:21:20 GMT -6
Nothing at all different. Ok. What specific change did the private status of ND create that would not have applied if he had moved to, say, Kinder? There are simply no rules that are different for ND in this case than any other school. Kinder has 2 kids from Elton. Many, may or may not have 1 kid from zwolle? I can't speak for Many. Maybe fridaynights can shed some light. Are u honestly trying to compare kinder and Many to a school that pulls from a population of over 200,000 counting Lafayette? I don't care whether y'all are with us or not. Public/private, metro/rural, district, or non district. I just said earlier that it was not a good analogy. It's something and Hillary would say in the fact it's stupid and makes no sense!
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 19:28:47 GMT -6
What specific change did the private status of ND create that would not have applied if he had moved to, say, Kinder? There are simply no rules that are different for ND in this case than any other school. Kinder has 2 kids from Elton. Many, may or may not have 1 kid from zwolle? I can't speak for Many. Maybe fridaynights can shed some light. Are u honestly trying to compare kinder and Many to a school that pulls from a population of over 200,000 counting Lafayette? I don't care whether y'all are with us or not. Public/private, metro/rural, district, or non district. I just said earlier that it was not a good analogy. It's something and Hillary would say in the fact it's stupid and makes no sense! Two kids from Elton a year can make a big difference for Kinder and Elton.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 19:33:01 GMT -6
Kinder has 2 kids from Elton. Many, may or may not have 1 kid from zwolle? I can't speak for Many. Maybe fridaynights can shed some light. Are u honestly trying to compare kinder and Many to a school that pulls from a population of over 200,000 counting Lafayette? I don't care whether y'all are with us or not. Public/private, metro/rural, district, or non district. I just said earlier that it was not a good analogy. It's something and Hillary would say in the fact it's stupid and makes no sense! Two kids from Elton a year can make a big difference for Kinder and Elton. Shame on y'all. like I said before it's as lame as defending hillary. Keep trying They moved to kinder 6 yrs ago. Keep trying. 200,000 must be nice. Y'all just work hard.
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 19:34:42 GMT -6
OLI os a feeder to St. Louis that is in their region
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 19:38:04 GMT -6
OLI os a feeder to St. Louis that is in their region Good try. The LHSAA assigned them to ND. So tell me how an OLI grad is starting at Welsh?
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 19:59:35 GMT -6
You must be talking about John Daigle lets see he lives in welsh his whole life. If you like I can play you the recruiting message from one of your coaches over there
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 20:03:47 GMT -6
You must be talking about John Daigle lets see he lives in welsh his whole life. If you like I can play you the recruiting message from one of your coaches over there Please do. And he went to OLI so how did he get to play at Welsh? According to you he should have went to st Louus? Or are u just a Hypocrite?
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 20:15:20 GMT -6
He lives in welsh attended welsh then OLI I think I would know he is family. He lives in welsh. We at welsh don't pull from other parishes. Like I said I don't hide behind my screen name. I have backed you on here in some post but man honestly you attack everything on here. It is what it is man but Daigle is a welsh boy like I said he my family so please refrain from trying to pick him apart for actually playing in the town he lives. Notre dame in last 15 years has had more kids from welsh and our area then we have had kids from ardoin cove which is the gravel road south of town.
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 20:23:04 GMT -6
He lives in welsh attended welsh then OLI I think I would know he is family. He lives in welsh. We at welsh don't pull from other parishes. Like I said I don't hide behind my screen name. I have backed you on here in some post but man honestly you attack everything on here. It is what it is man but Daigle is a welsh boy like I said he my family so please refrain from trying to pick him apart for actually playing in the town he lives. Notre dame in last 15 years has had more kids from welsh and our area then we have had kids from ardoin cove which is the gravel road south of town. Well quit speaking out of both sides of your mouth. If he went to OLI it is impossible for ND to recruit him being it is our feeder school. Technically welsh recruited him.
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 20:25:03 GMT -6
No he always played in welsh and lives here. ND was very interested though
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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 20:32:32 GMT -6
No he always played in welsh and lives here. ND was very interested though John Daigle went to OLI.
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Post by 1stdown on Nov 16, 2016 21:12:09 GMT -6
Wow,like I said earlier in another post, Kinder is a popular school. How'd we wind up in a scotlandville thread? Let me guess, elton kids? Oh brother, here comes bigfoot and wait...theres reports of king kong with a notre dame t shirt on. This guy needs to realize how dumb he looks to people from kinder.
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 21:19:07 GMT -6
He lives in welsh. Also kind of hard for a freshman with no drivers license to attend school quite a few miles away in another parish with no transpiration although he did just get his license now. Unless the ND bus rolls through welsh or he could just ride with all the other welsh kids that attend ND
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