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Post by indy on Nov 16, 2016 21:23:32 GMT -6
He lives in welsh. Also kind of hard for a freshman with no drivers license to attend school quite a few miles away in another parish with no transpiration although he did just get his license now. Unless the ND bus rolls through welsh or he could just ride with all the other welsh kids that attend ND we He managed to get back and forth to Jennings for 8 years.
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Post by rvanicor on Nov 16, 2016 21:26:12 GMT -6
No OLI has a pickup point I believe because it's elementary and junior high plus easy to go 7 miles to Jennings
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Post by warhorsepride on Nov 16, 2016 22:03:33 GMT -6
Not exactly true. Menard tried to get me an academic scholarship to play football years ago while I was at Arthur F. Smith, so there are workarounds. Whats sad was it was teachers pushing at my school, not just Menard, and what's worse, I wasn't all that great, just big. Not trying to start anything, because you are on my very short list of favorite posters on here, but I do hear things like this all the time about various private schools. Bottom line-- who is 'Menard'? If it was the powers that be ( or were at that time) why didn't it happen? If it was just talk on the street, - well, that's meaningless. It didn't happen because my choice was already made. I knew I was going to Peabody, my family had gone to Peabody going all the way back to the 50's, I wanted to attend Peabody all my life, it was a no-brainer to me. I had paperwork sat in front of me, saying I would not pay a dime to go to Menard on academics that were good, but did not meet their scholarship requirements but room could be made regardless, because I was a minority. It was expressed that they could use someone of my size on the football team. Maybe I'm wrong and that was not all for sports reason but that's how it felt to me even though it was expressed in a way which was actually disrespectful to my A lma Mater. It was said to me, that Menard would give me opportunities at colleges that I would not receive from going to Peabody, academically. No, Menard is not a major private program but that shows that these things run deep, not just the major programs. This could, not saying it does, but could happen anywhere. Everyone knows we've been accused of it, and on the girls side, proven to be true about 10 years ago. There's many different fixes that could be proposed but in the end, someone is always gonna be pissed, its not being pessimistic, its just true. I think the LHSAA creating zones is not a bad idea. Parish Wide Only for Parishes that have 1 or more Privates, all would feed from 1 zone. Parishes without, maybe be assigned or delegated to the closest Private based on area. All Public schools under Parish zone. Then you regulate all of this with Transfer Policies to deter flipping, such as a sit out penalty or so forth. That way Parishes with more than 1 private, can't go where ever they choose, or flip often. That plan isn't perfect but right now we don't need a perfect plan, we need the base of a plan. And thanks eag, glad to know I'm a favorite poster of yours man.
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Post by eag on Nov 16, 2016 22:11:23 GMT -6
What specific change did the private status of ND create that would not have applied if he had moved to, say, Kinder? There are simply no rules that are different for ND in this case than any other school. Kinder has 2 kids from Elton. Many, may or may not have 1 kid from zwolle? I can't speak for Many. Maybe fridaynights can shed some light. Are u honestly trying to compare kinder and Many to a school that pulls from a population of over 200,000 counting Lafayette? I don't care whether y'all are with us or not. Public/private, metro/rural, district, or non district. I just said earlier that it was not a good analogy. It's something and Hillary would say in the fact it's stupid and makes no sense! None of this is remotely relevant to my question. It is how we ended up with the split -- rhetoric and rumors. What asking is what rule allowed shelvin to play at ND that would not allow him to have played at Kinder or Welsh? Here's a hint -- there is none. He could just as easily transferred to those schools and played in exactly the same way.
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Post by 1stdown on Nov 17, 2016 5:14:13 GMT -6
Word on the street is lsu contacted nd and asked if he could go there to improve his grades to get eligible for lsu gradewise. Thats what I heard.
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 5:27:20 GMT -6
Word on the street is lsu contacted nd and asked if he could go there to improve his grades to get eligible for lsu gradewise. Thats what I heard. . He does spend more time tutoring than practicing. That might very well be true.
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 8:30:17 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious.
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Post by pioneer on Nov 17, 2016 8:34:15 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious. WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!
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Post by iknownuthing on Nov 17, 2016 8:55:52 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. I agree. Not with why they changed them to non-select, but I agree that they should be considered select. All charter schools should be considered select. That includes almost all the charter high schools in NOLA. Here's a list of the current charter high schools in Louisiana from the Louisiana Dept of Ed.: Mentorship Academy Slaughter Community Charter School Madison Preparatory Academy D'Arbonne Woods Charter School Delhi Charter School Delta Charter School Lincoln Preparatory School JS Clark Leadership Academy Lake Charles College Prep Benjamin Franklin High School Lusher Charter School Beekman Charter School Edna Karr High School Warren Easton Senior High Charter School KIPP Renaissance High School Lake Area New Tech Early College High School LB Landry - OP Walker College & Career Preparatory High School G.W. Carver Sci Academy Joseph S. Clark Preparatory High School Capitol High School Sophie B. Wright Learning Academy Cohen College Prep The bigger charter schools like Karr, Lusher, Landry-Walker and Warren Easton would also help to fill out the brackets for the Division 1 and 2 playoffs. I agree, plus all consolidated schools. Livonia, Franklin Parish. Any schools that have been given an advantage to select their students from a wider area than the other schools in their classification should be moved to select.
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Post by eag on Nov 17, 2016 9:12:36 GMT -6
Not trying to start anything, because you are on my very short list of favorite posters on here, but I do hear things like this all the time about various private schools. Bottom line-- who is 'Menard'? If it was the powers that be ( or were at that time) why didn't it happen? If it was just talk on the street, - well, that's meaningless. It didn't happen because my choice was already made. I knew I was going to Peabody, my family had gone to Peabody going all the way back to the 50's, I wanted to attend Peabody all my life, it was a no-brainer to me. I had paperwork sat in front of me, saying I would not pay a dime to go to Menard on academics that were good, but did not meet their scholarship requirements but room could be made regardless, because I was a minority. It was expressed that they could use someone of my size on the football team. Maybe I'm wrong and that was not all for sports reason but that's how it felt to me even though it was expressed in a way which was actually disrespectful to my A lma Mater. It was said to me, that Menard would give me opportunities at colleges that I would not receive from going to Peabody, academically. No, Menard is not a major private program but that shows that these things run deep, not just the major programs. This could, not saying it does, but could happen anywhere. Everyone knows we've been accused of it, and on the girls side, proven to be true about 10 years ago. There's many different fixes that could be proposed but in the end, someone is always gonna be pissed, its not being pessimistic, its just true. I think the LHSAA creating zones is not a bad idea. Parish Wide Only for Parishes that have 1 or more Privates, all would feed from 1 zone. Parishes without, maybe be assigned or delegated to the closest Private based on area. All Public schools under Parish zone. Then you regulate all of this with Transfer Policies to deter flipping, such as a sit out penalty or so forth. That way Parishes with more than 1 private, can't go where ever they choose, or flip often. That plan isn't perfect but right now we don't need a perfect plan, we need the base of a plan. And thanks eag, glad to know I'm a favorite poster of yours man. Thanks for sharing that story - interesting perspective. It kind of shows a couple of things, not the least of which is that even with offer for free tuition, you did not end up going there. So, once again, this concept that 'private schools get whoever they want' is shown to be less than accurate. You had options as a kid- could go to Peabody Magnet, could go to Menard, possibly could go to another school like ASH or Bolton depending where you lived( couldn't Peabody pull from those even before the open enrollment?). Currently any kid in Rapides has all those options plus Pineville. I don't see how options are bad or should be limited. Imagine if you grew up wanting to be a Warhorse but weren't allowed to play sports there because you lived one street over? No one denies that schools both public and private try to get players. Our private school lost all - district players to public schools between jr and sr years twice in the last 3 years. Didn't have to offer any scholarships either, lol. So there's evidence of schools doing that on both sides and I don't think anyone denies that. That's why i support a sit out rule with exception of bonafide family moves. The other issue that your story brings up that is interesting is that, as you stated, the school that tried to convince you to attend isn't a major private power. That leads me to conclude one of these things: 1) they do not do very much of that 2) it is really hard to get kids to move to schools they didn't originally plan to attend even when barriers are eliminated 3) being able to get some kids from out of zone doesn't lead to automatic success. All of these argue, in my opinion, that we need some other factor aside from private status if we are going to separate schools and ruin what has been fantastic high school football in La. I'm a well known proponent of a success metric. I'm also ok with a multiplier. I'm very much ok with a sit out rule for transfers as long as bonafide moves are exempted. I'm not ok with making a kid sit if his parent gets transferred or gets a new job. Sports are too important in the high school experience to cheat them of that ( note I said sports, not championships). I'm not ok with arbitrary split rules like we have now. Bottom line, Many doesn't need 'protection' from Pope John Paul, and PJP needs as much 'protection' from Riverside or ND as any public school if we are going to say that ' protection' is important.
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Post by btown on Nov 17, 2016 9:16:17 GMT -6
I agree. Not with why they changed them to non-select, but I agree that they should be considered select. All charter schools should be considered select. That includes almost all the charter high schools in NOLA. Here's a list of the current charter high schools in Louisiana from the Louisiana Dept of Ed.: Mentorship Academy Slaughter Community Charter School Madison Preparatory Academy D'Arbonne Woods Charter School Delhi Charter School Delta Charter School Lincoln Preparatory School JS Clark Leadership Academy Lake Charles College Prep Benjamin Franklin High School Lusher Charter School Beekman Charter School Edna Karr High School Warren Easton Senior High Charter School KIPP Renaissance High School Lake Area New Tech Early College High School LB Landry - OP Walker College & Career Preparatory High School G.W. Carver Sci Academy Joseph S. Clark Preparatory High School Capitol High School Sophie B. Wright Learning Academy Cohen College Prep The bigger charter schools like Karr, Lusher, Landry-Walker and Warren Easton would also help to fill out the brackets for the Division 1 and 2 playoffs. I agree, plus all consolidated schools. Livonia, Franklin Parish. Any schools that have been given an advantage to select their students from a wider area than the other schools in their classification should be moved to select. Define a wider area. You cannot punish a public school board for being smarter with their money and consolidating school. Consolidating schools means a bigger school, which in turn push them up in classification.
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Post by mt on Nov 17, 2016 9:17:13 GMT -6
It didn't happen because my choice was already made. I knew I was going to Peabody, my family had gone to Peabody going all the way back to the 50's, I wanted to attend Peabody all my life, it was a no-brainer to me. I had paperwork sat in front of me, saying I would not pay a dime to go to Menard on academics that were good, but did not meet their scholarship requirements but room could be made regardless, because I was a minority. It was expressed that they could use someone of my size on the football team. Maybe I'm wrong and that was not all for sports reason but that's how it felt to me even though it was expressed in a way which was actually disrespectful to my A lma Mater. It was said to me, that Menard would give me opportunities at colleges that I would not receive from going to Peabody, academically. No, Menard is not a major private program but that shows that these things run deep, not just the major programs. This could, not saying it does, but could happen anywhere. Everyone knows we've been accused of it, and on the girls side, proven to be true about 10 years ago. There's many different fixes that could be proposed but in the end, someone is always gonna be pissed, its not being pessimistic, its just true. I think the LHSAA creating zones is not a bad idea. Parish Wide Only for Parishes that have 1 or more Privates, all would feed from 1 zone. Parishes without, maybe be assigned or delegated to the closest Private based on area. All Public schools under Parish zone. Then you regulate all of this with Transfer Policies to deter flipping, such as a sit out penalty or so forth. That way Parishes with more than 1 private, can't go where ever they choose, or flip often. That plan isn't perfect but right now we don't need a perfect plan, we need the base of a plan. And thanks eag, glad to know I'm a favorite poster of yours man. Thanks for sharing that story - interesting perspective. It kind of shows a couple of things, not the least of which is that even with offer for free tuition, you did not end up going there. So, once again, this concept that 'private schools get whoever they want' is shown to be less than accurate. You had options as a kid- could go to Peabody Magnet, could go to Menard, possibly could go to another school like ASH or Bolton depending where you lived( couldn't Peabody pull from those even before the open enrollment?). Currently any kid in Rapides has all those options plus Pineville. I don't see how options are bad or should be limited. Imagine if you grew up wanting to be a Warhorse but weren't allowed to play sports there because you lived one street over? No one denies that schools both public and private try to get players. Our private school lost all - district players to public schools between jr and sr years twice in the last 3 years. Didn't have to offer any scholarships either, lol. So there's evidence of schools doing that on both sides and I don't think anyone denies that. That's why i support a sit out rule with exception of bonafide family moves. The other issue that your story brings up that is interesting is that, as you stated, the school that tried to convince you to attend isn't a major private power. That leads me to conclude one of these things: 1) they do not do very much of that 2) it is really hard to get kids to move to schools they didn't originally plan to attend even when barriers are eliminated 3) being able to get some kids from out of zone doesn't l as to automatic success. All of these argue, in my opinion, that we need some other factor aside from private status if we are going to separate schools and ruin what has been fantastic high school football in La. I'm a well known proponent of a success metric. I'm also ok with a multiplier. I'm very much ok with a sit out rule for transfers as long as bonafide moves are exempted. I'm not ok with making a kid sit if his parent gets transferred or gets a new job. Sports are too important in the high school experience to cheat them of that ( note I said sports, not championships). I'm not ok with arbitrary split rules like we have now. Bottom line, Many doesn't need 'protection' from Pope John Paul, and PJP needs as much 'protection' from Riverside or ND as any public school if we are going to say that ' protection' is important. Very well said here
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 9:27:28 GMT -6
I agree, plus all consolidated schools. Livonia, Franklin Parish. Any schools that have been given an advantage to select their students from a wider area than the other schools in their classification should be moved to select. Define a wider area. You cannot punish a public school board for being smarter with their money and consolidating school. Consolidating schools means a bigger school, which in turn push them up in classification. I agree with you. A one parish one school is happening more and more and actually solves parents zone jumping. The 25% rule for parishes with multiple schools is an absolute joke. That says its ok for Many, Kinder, Neville (insert school) can recruit up to 24% and it's legal. We all know it's not that high but it only takes a "select" few to make a difference on a particular team. The fact that the LHSAA voted a 25% window is proof they are clueless to actually what a select or non select school is. And s think this is all fine.
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Post by kamala on Nov 17, 2016 9:34:02 GMT -6
The bottom line to your question about Madison Prep is that the LHSAA saw Many rolling early in the year and realized they were a threat to win another title, and needed to try to cut that off to punish Many/Booker. There is no way Madison Prep is a non-select school, no matter what rules/standards you apply or look at. This was a decision made purely for political/retaliation purposes. I don't know that Many can beat Kinder, Welsh or Sterlington (although my money would be on Many against all 3), but Madison Prep is a different animal. They are a select school that draws kids from all over the Baton Rouge metro area. And they are very good! For the LHSAA to just wake up one morning after Week 5 of the season and declare Madison Prep non-select is irresponsible and blatant. Either start them as select and leave them for the remainder of the year, or make the change before the season starts. Swapping the designation in mid-season is unacceptable and obviously meant to gain a specific result. Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious. LOL. I'm HARDLY a , my misguided and always angry friend. And by the way, Delhi Charter is a VERY good 1A team.
The issue is that Delhi Charter and Beekman Charter are very rural, isolated schools that don't exactly have a large base to draw from . Yes, Beekman is close enough to Bastrop to maybe get a kid or two that will help, but not many. Delhi Charter is 10 minutes from Delhi, 25 minutes from Rayville, 30 minutes from Tallulah and 25 minutes from Oak Grove. They aren't really in a position to take other peoples' kids from them. Not to mention that most folks who know Coach Raley, who is also the principal, know that he works the hell out of his kids and they are tough, country kids that put in the work and people respect them. As for Beekman Charter, I don't know that they will ever be very successful. Just entirely too isolated and removed from football areas.
As for Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter...Lincoln Prep is old Grambling. They've been terrible for nearly 20 years now. The best athletes in the Ruston/Grambling area are all going to New Living Word, which is nothing but a basketball academy with tv monitors that kids watch all day and call it "class". No one really expects Lincoln Prep to become a power. Arcadia kids are going to stay in Arcadia for the most part. Jonesboro is too far away. So no one is really threatened by them. Of the group you named, Delta Charter is the most likely to grow into a power. They sit in a very good place. They are on the north side of Ferriday, and can easily draw kids from Ferriday, Vidalia, Jonesville and Natchez, MS. If any of these 4 schools are a threat to become a strong football school, I'd put my money on Delta Charter. But I think it's a little ways off.
As for why Madison Prep is getting all the attention, I refer back to my original post. It's because of the amount of potential students in their area. They have access to more students than Delhi Charter, Beeman, Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter COMBINED, I would think. They have exploded on the scene in football and basketball in a matter of 2 years. They were instantly good right out of the wrapper. That's alarming! A school that can be that totally dominant in 2 sports almost from the minute it opens it's doors has no business being non-select.
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Post by btown on Nov 17, 2016 9:34:31 GMT -6
Define a wider area. You cannot punish a public school board for being smarter with their money and consolidating school. Consolidating schools means a bigger school, which in turn push them up in classification. I agree with you. A one parish one school is happening more and more and actually solves parents zone jumping. The 25% rule for parishes with multiple schools is an absolute joke. That says its ok for Many, Kinder, Neville (insert school) can recruit up to 24% and it's legal. We all know it's not that high but it only takes a "select" few to make a difference on a particular team. The fact that the LHSAA voted a 25% window is proof they are clueless to actually what a select or non select school is. And s think this is all fine. Still do not like the word s, put I will respond and agree with you on one part. The smaller the school, the smaller the number of skilled players are needed to make a difference. So should the % of out of zone kids be different for each classification. On the other comment recruiting is NOT legal so you can Not recruit up to 24%
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 9:43:39 GMT -6
Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious. LOL. I'm HARDLY a , my misguided and always angry friend. And by the way, Delhi Charter is a VERY good 1A team.
The issue is that Delhi Charter and Beekman Charter are very rural, isolated schools that don't exactly have a large base to draw from . Yes, Beekman is close enough to Bastrop to maybe get a kid or two that will help, but not many. Delhi Charter is 10 minutes from Delhi, 25 minutes from Rayville, 30 minutes from Tallulah and 25 minutes from Oak Grove. They aren't really in a position to take other peoples' kids from them. Not to mention that most folks who know Coach Raley, who is also the principal, know that he works the hell out of his kids and they are tough, country kids that put in the work and people respect them. As for Beekman Charter, I don't know that they will ever be very successful. Just entirely too isolated and removed from football areas.
As for Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter...Lincoln Prep is old Grambling. They've been terrible for nearly 20 years now. The best athletes in the Ruston/Grambling area are all going to New Living Word, which is nothing but a basketball academy with tv monitors that kids watch all day and call it "class". No one really expects Lincoln Prep to become a power. Arcadia kids are going to stay in Arcadia for the most part. Jonesboro is too far away. So no one is really threatened by them. Of the group you named, Delta Charter is the most likely to grow into a power. They sit in a very good place. They are on the north side of Ferriday, and can easily draw kids from Ferriday, Vidalia, Jonesville and Natchez, MS. If any of these 4 schools are a threat to become a strong football school, I'd put my money on Delta Charter. But I think it's a little ways off.
As for why Madison Prep is getting all the attention, I refer back to my original post. It's because of the amount of potential students in their area. They have access to more students than Delhi Charter, Beeman, Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter COMBINED, I would think. They have exploded on the scene in football and basketball in a matter of 2 years. They were instantly good right out of the wrapper. That's alarming! A school that can be that totally dominant in 2 sports almost from the minute it opens it's doors has no business being non-select.
. Hanson Memorial doest have the population to draw from that Evangel does but yet they were lumped together. Your point is self centered.
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Post by mt on Nov 17, 2016 9:54:29 GMT -6
Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious. LOL. I'm HARDLY a , my misguided and always angry friend. And by the way, Delhi Charter is a VERY good 1A team.
The issue is that Delhi Charter and Beekman Charter are very rural, isolated schools that don't exactly have a large base to draw from . Yes, Beekman is close enough to Bastrop to maybe get a kid or two that will help, but not many. Delhi Charter is 10 minutes from Delhi, 25 minutes from Rayville, 30 minutes from Tallulah and 25 minutes from Oak Grove. They aren't really in a position to take other peoples' kids from them. Not to mention that most folks who know Coach Raley, who is also the principal, know that he works the hell out of his kids and they are tough, country kids that put in the work and people respect them. As for Beekman Charter, I don't know that they will ever be very successful. Just entirely too isolated and removed from football areas.
As for Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter...Lincoln Prep is old Grambling. They've been terrible for nearly 20 years now. The best athletes in the Ruston/Grambling area are all going to New Living Word, which is nothing but a basketball academy with tv monitors that kids watch all day and call it "class". No one really expects Lincoln Prep to become a power. Arcadia kids are going to stay in Arcadia for the most part. Jonesboro is too far away. So no one is really threatened by them. Of the group you named, Delta Charter is the most likely to grow into a power. They sit in a very good place. They are on the north side of Ferriday, and can easily draw kids from Ferriday, Vidalia, Jonesville and Natchez, MS. If any of these 4 schools are a threat to become a strong football school, I'd put my money on Delta Charter. But I think it's a little ways off.
As for why Madison Prep is getting all the attention, I refer back to my original post. It's because of the amount of potential students in their area. They have access to more students than Delhi Charter, Beeman, Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter COMBINED, I would think. They have exploded on the scene in football and basketball in a matter of 2 years. They were instantly good right out of the wrapper. That's alarming! A school that can be that totally dominant in 2 sports almost from the minute it opens it's doors has no business being non-select.
Agree the are where MPA sits easily has more kids to pull from than the areas that you mentioned combined. Now as for being instantly good, in basketball yes, they were pretty much instantly good. In football while they have been on the fast track, they did take here lumps. MPA was truly bad until Michael Roach left Southern Lab and went to MPA. Some of these boys at MPA were at Lab and left when he did for various reasons, including his son Michael who's at Texas now. The kids were immediately eligible because there are no Public Schools in North Baton Rouge. It's almost go to Scotlandville of you can get in or find somewhere
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 9:55:09 GMT -6
I agree with you. A one parish one school is happening more and more and actually solves parents zone jumping. The 25% rule for parishes with multiple schools is an absolute joke. That says its ok for Many, Kinder, Neville (insert school) can recruit up to 24% and it's legal. We all know it's not that high but it only takes a "select" few to make a difference on a particular team. The fact that the LHSAA voted a 25% window is proof they are clueless to actually what a select or non select school is. And s think this is all fine. Still do not like the word s, put I will respond and agree with you on one part. The smaller the school, the smaller the number of skilled players are needed to make a difference. So should the % of out of zone kids be different for each classification. On the other comment recruiting is NOT legal so you can Not recruit up to 24% The % should be zero, a zone is a zone, right? Change the word recruit to receive, attain, encourage, accept, or what ever you want. I know you and Others I argue with are reasonable and I apologize for lumping y'all in the general group, but the fact is we are all unjustly put into categories.
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Nov 17, 2016 9:56:07 GMT -6
I agree, plus all consolidated schools. Livonia, Franklin Parish. Any schools that have been given an advantage to select their students from a wider area than the other schools in their classification should be moved to select. Define a wider area. You cannot punish a public school board for being smarter with their money and consolidating school. Consolidating schools means a bigger school, which in turn push them up in classification. This is the definition of the Rural-Metro Plan as I remember it. It is an advantage to have a larger population to get students from. I would prefer this to the current situation, but I still prefer something like the Indiana Plan (success metric).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 9:58:28 GMT -6
While Im sure MP being a non-select is an issue, I think one of the reasons we are talking about them is because they were select until on a random day in week 5 they were placed in non-select, and mostly for no reason. I feel that if a school starts somewhere on Aug. 1st, they should stay there until the end of school year...you could even say they for a 2 year period until new district classification takes place. This is what happens when school consolidate, they dont make that school go from 2A to 4A, they just stay where they are until the next reclassification.
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Post by kamala on Nov 17, 2016 9:58:37 GMT -6
We get them from Catholic feeder schools. We cherry pick in the first grade. Good try. We have been pushed aside already by the s. Kinder and Many will too, get used to it, your own kind will turn on you. How long do you think it will take? They are plotting against y'all as we speak. Do you really think all of 2a is cheering for y'all to be in the dome every year? Self serving rules only works for a short while. The next group is up to bat! Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!
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Post by mt on Nov 17, 2016 10:01:03 GMT -6
While Im sure MP being a non-select is an issue, I think one of the reasons we are talking about them is because they were select until on a random day in week 5 they were placed in non-select, and mostly for no reason. I feel that if a school starts somewhere on Aug. 1st, they should stay there until the end of school year...you could even say they for a 2 year period until new district classification takes place. This is what happens when school consolidate, they dont make that school go from 2A to 4A, they just stay where they are until the next reclassification. Also True. MPA AD came as saying "I don't really care where we play we will be fine." And I mean he's right.
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Post by eag on Nov 17, 2016 10:02:54 GMT -6
Why are you and other s only complaining about Madison Prep? The LHSAA also moved Lincoln Prep, Delhi Charter, Beekman Charter. And Delta Charter., why isn't this so wrong? Maybe because they are not good? Is the complaints towards MP because it a possible threat to Many and Kinders two seat cake walk? Just curious. LOL. I'm HARDLY a , my misguided and always angry friend. And by the way, Delhi Charter is a VERY good 1A team.
The issue is that Delhi Charter and Beekman Charter are very rural, isolated schools that don't exactly have a large base to draw from . Yes, Beekman is close enough to Bastrop to maybe get a kid or two that will help, but not many. Delhi Charter is 10 minutes from Delhi, 25 minutes from Rayville, 30 minutes from Tallulah and 25 minutes from Oak Grove. They aren't really in a position to take other peoples' kids from them. Not to mention that most folks who know Coach Raley, who is also the principal, know that he works the hell out of his kids and they are tough, country kids that put in the work and people respect them. As for Beekman Charter, I don't know that they will ever be very successful. Just entirely too isolated and removed from football areas.
As for Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter...Lincoln Prep is old Grambling. They've been terrible for nearly 20 years now. The best athletes in the Ruston/Grambling area are all going to New Living Word, which is nothing but a basketball academy with tv monitors that kids watch all day and call it "class". No one really expects Lincoln Prep to become a power. Arcadia kids are going to stay in Arcadia for the most part. Jonesboro is too far away. So no one is really threatened by them. Of the group you named, Delta Charter is the most likely to grow into a power. They sit in a very good place. They are on the north side of Ferriday, and can easily draw kids from Ferriday, Vidalia, Jonesville and Natchez, MS. If any of these 4 schools are a threat to become a strong football school, I'd put my money on Delta Charter. But I think it's a little ways off.
As for why Madison Prep is getting all the attention, I refer back to my original post. It's because of the amount of potential students in their area. They have access to more students than Delhi Charter, Beeman, Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter COMBINED, I would think. They have exploded on the scene in football and basketball in a matter of 2 years. They were instantly good right out of the wrapper. That's alarming! A school that can be that totally dominant in 2 sports almost from the minute it opens it's doors has no business being non-select.
I'd say they have no business being in 2A. Can ANYONE in 2A compete with them besides ND and maybe Riverside? Again, I agree there is an issue. But public schools aren't the only ones dealing with it, so why are they the only ones being 'protected' from it?
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Nov 17, 2016 10:05:20 GMT -6
This may have been answered before and if it has I'm sorry, but does MP charge tuition?
Also, if select/non-select is really private/public aren't all charter schools public?
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Post by mt on Nov 17, 2016 10:06:26 GMT -6
This may have been answered before and if it has I'm sorry, but does MP charge tuition? No sir they do not
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Post by publicgradprivatedad on Nov 17, 2016 10:06:59 GMT -6
This may have been answered before and if it has I'm sorry, but does MP charge tuition? No sir they do not Thanks
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Post by eag on Nov 17, 2016 10:11:10 GMT -6
Didn't know your 5 star defensive tackle that played at Northside was a 1st grade catholic school student? As u said earlier, just admit u r guilty. It will be alright. It's legal for y'all to cherrypick kids. Go find some more! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!
C'mon Kamala! You know daggone well that the kid could have done EXACTLY the same thing had he moved to Kinder, Welsh, Iowa, etc. There was literally nothing about this that has anything to do with ND being private!!!. Show me the rule that allows a kid to transfer to a private school from a public and play instantly, but going public to public he cannot. I can, btw, show you a rule where a kid can transfer from ND to Crowley High, though, and play without sitting. Can't go from Crowley to ND, though. You are the one that pointed the rule out to me some time back... This particular case is strictly an issue of 'bonafide move'. We can argue all day whether it was or wasn't, but that's a different argument. The rule applies equally to public or private schools. If his move was ruled legit to ND, it would also be legit to a public school.
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Post by kamala on Nov 17, 2016 10:16:25 GMT -6
LOL. I'm HARDLY a , my misguided and always angry friend. And by the way, Delhi Charter is a VERY good 1A team.
The issue is that Delhi Charter and Beekman Charter are very rural, isolated schools that don't exactly have a large base to draw from . Yes, Beekman is close enough to Bastrop to maybe get a kid or two that will help, but not many. Delhi Charter is 10 minutes from Delhi, 25 minutes from Rayville, 30 minutes from Tallulah and 25 minutes from Oak Grove. They aren't really in a position to take other peoples' kids from them. Not to mention that most folks who know Coach Raley, who is also the principal, know that he works the hell out of his kids and they are tough, country kids that put in the work and people respect them. As for Beekman Charter, I don't know that they will ever be very successful. Just entirely too isolated and removed from football areas.
As for Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter...Lincoln Prep is old Grambling. They've been terrible for nearly 20 years now. The best athletes in the Ruston/Grambling area are all going to New Living Word, which is nothing but a basketball academy with tv monitors that kids watch all day and call it "class". No one really expects Lincoln Prep to become a power. Arcadia kids are going to stay in Arcadia for the most part. Jonesboro is too far away. So no one is really threatened by them. Of the group you named, Delta Charter is the most likely to grow into a power. They sit in a very good place. They are on the north side of Ferriday, and can easily draw kids from Ferriday, Vidalia, Jonesville and Natchez, MS. If any of these 4 schools are a threat to become a strong football school, I'd put my money on Delta Charter. But I think it's a little ways off.
As for why Madison Prep is getting all the attention, I refer back to my original post. It's because of the amount of potential students in their area. They have access to more students than Delhi Charter, Beeman, Lincoln Prep and Delta Charter COMBINED, I would think. They have exploded on the scene in football and basketball in a matter of 2 years. They were instantly good right out of the wrapper. That's alarming! A school that can be that totally dominant in 2 sports almost from the minute it opens it's doors has no business being non-select.
. Hanson Memorial doest have the population to draw from that Evangel does but yet they were lumped together. Your point is self centered. Maybe that's why Hanson Memorial and Evangel aren't in the same classification with each other. You really aren't very good at this discussion thing.....
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Post by indy on Nov 17, 2016 10:24:02 GMT -6
. Hanson Memorial doest have the population to draw from that Evangel does but yet they were lumped together. Your point is self centered. Maybe that's why Hanson Memorial and Evangel aren't in the same classification with each other. You really aren't very good at this discussion thing..... Well Sacred Heart in Ville Platte and Riverside, that's better?
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Post by kamala on Nov 17, 2016 10:28:21 GMT -6
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THIS!!
C'mon Kamala! You know daggone well that the kid could have done EXACTLY the same thing had he moved to Kinder, Welsh, Iowa, etc. There was literally nothing about this that has anything to do with ND being private!!!. Show me the rule that allows a kid to transfer to a private school from a public and play instantly, but going public to public he cannot. I can, btw, show you a rule where a kid can transfer from ND to Crowley High, though, and play without sitting. Can't go from Crowley to ND, though. You are the one that pointed the rule out to me some time back... This particular case is strictly an issue of 'bonafide move'. We can argue all day whether it was or wasn't, but that's a different argument. The rule applies equally to public or private schools. If his move was ruled legit to ND, it would also be legit to a public school. Shelvin could have gone anywhere. Agreed! But the kid moved to the Welsh/Jennings area. Then enrolled at Notre Dame. It was a known "secret" that LSU contacted Louis....through one of Shelvin's coaches who had history with Louis and ND..... and asked that he take the kid and give him a place to play and help him get his grades up so he could be eligible at LSU this Spring on signing day. The kid wanted out of Northside, which is understandable. He wanted to play for a good program, which is understandable. Coach Cook is a great guy and I'm sure LSU knew he'd take care of what needed to be taken care of.
Would Shelvin have moved if he DIDN'T have that Notre Dame enrollment in his pocket? I doubt it! So do you. I dont' think any rules were broken, but it certainly was a case of "the rich get richer" through their contacts.
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